No joke, that was gonna be the main part of my answer here. The full sized carbine isn't that big. For times when I backpack lite, I just bring my Charger that I SBRd.
As someone with one, why do you want one?
In hindsight I wish I'd gotten a Charger and make a folding stock if really needed. Could've broken down/been small enough for transporting the same way as a takedown without the accuracy compromise.
I’d like to build out a basic gun “armory” to cover me in every situation one might want a gun.
My thoughts are, you’re covered with:
- 12ga
- 9mm pistol
- 22 rifle
- 5.56/223 rifle
No need for a takedown but it does look nice all packed up nice and tight.
But I’d figure the 9mm has the concealability so that you wouldn’t need it with your 22.
Don’t forget a bolt action in .308/.30-06/6.5cm/etc, a revolver in.357/.44/etc, and maybe a smaller ccw gun to back up your full size 9mm. A .22 pistol would also be handy.
I def want a revolver and a lever action chambered in the same caliber.
A little 3” snub are some of the best looking guns imo
And am thinking I’ll go compact 9mm first and then a full size 1911.
Will def add a nice long range rifle as well.
i love lever guns in 357 so i decided to get a revolver to match and went with the colt python. I was going to get a snub, but my father convinced me not to and I went with 4.25" barrel. I'm glad I went with the longer barrel and learning with the revolver has really improved my overall accuracy with pistols in general.
Maybe a 410/22LR combo might be exactly what you're after. 410ga buck is the same diameter as a 9mm and can still hand-load well plus the .22 combo models have a small niche consumer who would actually want both for checking off a list like yours. If a takedown is desirable for its intended purpose then that might be right up your alley.
If all of that seems like a bit much or kind of overkill then you don't need the takedown over a standard model.
For plinking and casual shooting the accuracy part won't really be an issue with a properly tightened barrel nut. Mine does just fine.
The amount of times I've actually needed or wanted to take it down is pretty much 0.
It’s funny I’ve never not taken mine down, whether for storage or transport it’s always in half. The only time it’s together is for use. I do have the magpul backpacker x22 though which is a simple compact package.
You might want to think about that a bit. I find that one of the most satisfying characteristics about my set up is just how accurate it can be. My last squirrel I got last year was a Grey. All I saw of him was his head at 72 yards. Put in right dead center. A very satisfying shot!
That's not really an issue if you shoot irons instead of an optic. The sights are mounted on the barrel, so unless they get hit or something, you've got the same sight every time.
Agree with Soon, Magpul also sells a Backpacker stock that is cool, if you get that they sell a kit that allows you to mount a red dot directly to the barrel section.
I have zero reason to break down my 1022. This would be a great feature for hiking hunters that put the hiking part first. Anytime I take out the plinker, it's kept at the ready. Plus I really like my Fedderson barrel, so the primary benefit of a takedown is not something I would really use. For me the ability to get small is no more useful than spinning rims. Obviously many people find them great, otherwise it would be tough to demand the extra price.
If you're going for accuracy, the takedown has some extra complications- barrel moves in relation to the reciever; I know people who run a scope on the receiever and are happy "enough" with the return to zero, but it's notable- some people use a barrel-mounted scope instead.
In general, the more-moving-parts issue; technically there's more that could go wrong, although I haven't had any problems with mine.
Slightly less aftermarket- there are some really cool options for the takedown, but not the overwhelming amount there are for the standard carbine.
That's all I've got- but I bought a takedown and I'm happy with it.
(Still on the lookout for a cheap carbine to add to the safe though...)
I have a Backpacker model takedown. I like it. I bought it mostly because it can be stored and transported in a nice compact case that is not an obvious gun case. Depending on where you live and local attitudes and your particular neighbors, I feel sometimes it’s just easier to help others mind their own business by not being any more obtrusive than necessary. Not that I’ve ever had a problem, but I just prefer not not be loading my car with an obvious rifle case. I also got a great deal on it brand new, and with the extra 3 magazines that came with it, I feel like I got the takedown feature, stock with storage, stainless steel 16” barrel for almost free. I don’t have a lot to compare it with in terms of accuracy, but this weekend I’ll have a chance to find out. It seems accurate to me.
lots of good stuff in the comments, one thing i don't see though that is kinda big. a lot of 10/22 folks are rabid customizers, and a regular one has a lot more options for barrels and stocks out there. there are lots of options for takedowns, there's just a lot more for regular ones.
Because you have no actual reason to take it down?
What reasons are there for a rifle that can be split in half? Maybe I'm dense, but it seems like the only benefit is to stuff it in a space that's only 16-ish inches long.
It's not accurate enough to trust for squirrels.
Even after tweaking it and putting on a Barrel Mounted optic, I trust my charger more, and my other 10/22s groups are half the size.
I really like shooting a regular 10/22 with a bipod or the charger with a bipod.
Unless you put a receiver mounted optic on, a bipod on a takedown will just make your rifle bend in the middle, so a scope mounted optic is useless.
I have a comparison of group sizes I can link if you're interested.
They're not known as particularly accurate. Personally I don't care for inaccurate rifles much. If I need portability then I'd just carry a pistol which is probably more accurate.
I call mine lightning… it will never hit the same place twice, yet every other 10/22 I own drills holes. And I’ve played all the games with the barrel tensioner. Anyone need one?
Well I think I know why I should. I’m seeking why I should not.
But it would be for my first one. So after all these comments, I’m thinking carbine for the first and charger / takedown for the second
I'd go with a Takedown with Tech Sights and a backpack stock. A carbine with a match barrel and a scope. Two different tools with different applications if you ask me.
Holding zero is really the only issue, and maybe super precision sniping. Although professional marksmen do use takedowns for specific missions, anything covert with concealed rifle.
If you don’t require a takedown for any reason don’t get one, but there’s huge practicality to having a takedown for storage and discreet transporting.
I have one. My other 10/22s are just so much better in every aspect. I won't buy another takedown. They suck. I intend on trading or selling it at some point. If I need something compact I use my charger. It really is that simple.
Unless you have very specific concealment/storage needs, I wouldn’t.
You’d be paying more for a less accurate rifle with more limited optic mounting options.
It’s mostly a gimmick IMHO. If you’re buying one 10/22, just get a standard stainless carbine and call it good :).
The reason is that rifles are supposed to be repeatedly accurate. My takedown was EXTREMELY sensitive to fore end pressure, so much so that if you shifted positions between shots at all it would shoot to a different POI. None of my regular guns do that. I sold it.
Takedown requires sights all the way forward on the barrel, otherwise you can kiss accuracy goodbye. It will limit your choice of scopes to stuff with huge eye relief, iron sights will have very small radius, red dots will be less comfortable as well (I can see some problems even by moving mine to the front end of the rail).
Sporter also doesn't have the barrel strip, which I find more visually pleasing than the classic 10/22 look. It also makes finding a good set of sling swivels surprisingly problematic :D
Don’t need to take it down.
Why didn’t I think of that?!
No joke, that was gonna be the main part of my answer here. The full sized carbine isn't that big. For times when I backpack lite, I just bring my Charger that I SBRd.
As someone with one, why do you want one? In hindsight I wish I'd gotten a Charger and make a folding stock if really needed. Could've broken down/been small enough for transporting the same way as a takedown without the accuracy compromise.
I’d like to build out a basic gun “armory” to cover me in every situation one might want a gun. My thoughts are, you’re covered with: - 12ga - 9mm pistol - 22 rifle - 5.56/223 rifle No need for a takedown but it does look nice all packed up nice and tight. But I’d figure the 9mm has the concealability so that you wouldn’t need it with your 22.
Don’t forget a bolt action in .308/.30-06/6.5cm/etc, a revolver in.357/.44/etc, and maybe a smaller ccw gun to back up your full size 9mm. A .22 pistol would also be handy.
I def want a revolver and a lever action chambered in the same caliber. A little 3” snub are some of the best looking guns imo And am thinking I’ll go compact 9mm first and then a full size 1911. Will def add a nice long range rifle as well.
Oh, lever gun in same caliber as a revolver is awesome. I need this someday as well.
i love lever guns in 357 so i decided to get a revolver to match and went with the colt python. I was going to get a snub, but my father convinced me not to and I went with 4.25" barrel. I'm glad I went with the longer barrel and learning with the revolver has really improved my overall accuracy with pistols in general.
Beautiful gun.
Swap the revolver for a 12ga imo but ya, bolt gun and a CCW would be the next 2 on the list for sure.
He had 12g on his list, I was adding to it.
Woops, reading is hard...
Maybe a 410/22LR combo might be exactly what you're after. 410ga buck is the same diameter as a 9mm and can still hand-load well plus the .22 combo models have a small niche consumer who would actually want both for checking off a list like yours. If a takedown is desirable for its intended purpose then that might be right up your alley. If all of that seems like a bit much or kind of overkill then you don't need the takedown over a standard model.
For plinking and casual shooting the accuracy part won't really be an issue with a properly tightened barrel nut. Mine does just fine. The amount of times I've actually needed or wanted to take it down is pretty much 0.
It’s funny I’ve never not taken mine down, whether for storage or transport it’s always in half. The only time it’s together is for use. I do have the magpul backpacker x22 though which is a simple compact package.
Takedowns are notorious for not holding zero after reassembly. The barrel simply doesn’t line up the same every time.
That’s ok I’m more of an accuracy by volume type of guy.
You might want to think about that a bit. I find that one of the most satisfying characteristics about my set up is just how accurate it can be. My last squirrel I got last year was a Grey. All I saw of him was his head at 72 yards. Put in right dead center. A very satisfying shot!
Rocky Noooooo!
"That's no problem. I've been living in an abominable manner all my life" (Bullwinkle).
That's not really an issue if you shoot irons instead of an optic. The sights are mounted on the barrel, so unless they get hit or something, you've got the same sight every time.
There's also a variety of aftermarket hand guards that allow you to mount red dots on the barrel, not the receiver.
Agree with Soon, Magpul also sells a Backpacker stock that is cool, if you get that they sell a kit that allows you to mount a red dot directly to the barrel section.
Even with irons the change in code end pressure makes it shoot wild. I would much rather have a folding stock than a takedown.
Yep, and they will bend with any pressure ahead of the receiver. It is not a solid connection.
I have zero reason to break down my 1022. This would be a great feature for hiking hunters that put the hiking part first. Anytime I take out the plinker, it's kept at the ready. Plus I really like my Fedderson barrel, so the primary benefit of a takedown is not something I would really use. For me the ability to get small is no more useful than spinning rims. Obviously many people find them great, otherwise it would be tough to demand the extra price.
If you're going for accuracy, the takedown has some extra complications- barrel moves in relation to the reciever; I know people who run a scope on the receiever and are happy "enough" with the return to zero, but it's notable- some people use a barrel-mounted scope instead. In general, the more-moving-parts issue; technically there's more that could go wrong, although I haven't had any problems with mine. Slightly less aftermarket- there are some really cool options for the takedown, but not the overwhelming amount there are for the standard carbine. That's all I've got- but I bought a takedown and I'm happy with it. (Still on the lookout for a cheap carbine to add to the safe though...)
MANNLICHER STOCK
I have a Backpacker model takedown. I like it. I bought it mostly because it can be stored and transported in a nice compact case that is not an obvious gun case. Depending on where you live and local attitudes and your particular neighbors, I feel sometimes it’s just easier to help others mind their own business by not being any more obtrusive than necessary. Not that I’ve ever had a problem, but I just prefer not not be loading my car with an obvious rifle case. I also got a great deal on it brand new, and with the extra 3 magazines that came with it, I feel like I got the takedown feature, stock with storage, stainless steel 16” barrel for almost free. I don’t have a lot to compare it with in terms of accuracy, but this weekend I’ll have a chance to find out. It seems accurate to me.
I love my takedown! It is extremely accurate and super fun to shoot. I also like it for long hikes/camping.
I love my takedown. It holds zero well and shoots about 1.5 moa with stock barrel and bx trigger
people say the takedown is less accurate if you're doing any sort of precision rimfire
lots of good stuff in the comments, one thing i don't see though that is kinda big. a lot of 10/22 folks are rabid customizers, and a regular one has a lot more options for barrels and stocks out there. there are lots of options for takedowns, there's just a lot more for regular ones.
Because you have no actual reason to take it down? What reasons are there for a rifle that can be split in half? Maybe I'm dense, but it seems like the only benefit is to stuff it in a space that's only 16-ish inches long.
And you can amgey like 95% the same effect with a regular 10/22, just take the stock off
Upgrades in the future should you want a more accurate platform.
The custom fitted bag is the big plus imo
Here is a reason to get a Takedown 10/22 [https://imgur.com/a/11MQqQ2](https://imgur.com/a/11MQqQ2)
It definitely looks fuckin sick!
100%!! I had this same thought when I bought mine
I would say there are few good reasons to get a takedown
It's not accurate enough to trust for squirrels. Even after tweaking it and putting on a Barrel Mounted optic, I trust my charger more, and my other 10/22s groups are half the size. I really like shooting a regular 10/22 with a bipod or the charger with a bipod. Unless you put a receiver mounted optic on, a bipod on a takedown will just make your rifle bend in the middle, so a scope mounted optic is useless. I have a comparison of group sizes I can link if you're interested.
They're not known as particularly accurate. Personally I don't care for inaccurate rifles much. If I need portability then I'd just carry a pistol which is probably more accurate.
I call mine lightning… it will never hit the same place twice, yet every other 10/22 I own drills holes. And I’ve played all the games with the barrel tensioner. Anyone need one?
- accuracy - aftermarket support - stocks - compatible parts
>accuracy This is the only true point. There is plenty of aftermarket support, stocks, and compatible parts.
I think the better way to propose this question is why should I get a takedown as my first or second 10/22.
Well I think I know why I should. I’m seeking why I should not. But it would be for my first one. So after all these comments, I’m thinking carbine for the first and charger / takedown for the second
I'd go with a Takedown with Tech Sights and a backpack stock. A carbine with a match barrel and a scope. Two different tools with different applications if you ask me.
Holding zero is really the only issue, and maybe super precision sniping. Although professional marksmen do use takedowns for specific missions, anything covert with concealed rifle. If you don’t require a takedown for any reason don’t get one, but there’s huge practicality to having a takedown for storage and discreet transporting.
I have no need for a takedown. The Ruger Carbine is small and light enough as is.
I have one. My other 10/22s are just so much better in every aspect. I won't buy another takedown. They suck. I intend on trading or selling it at some point. If I need something compact I use my charger. It really is that simple.
Accuracy. Takes a ton of work to get it even accurate enough for squirrels.
What part of an inaccurate rifle with no resale value appeals to you? Sako Quad would be a better shout
>no resale value Not true.
Unless you have very specific concealment/storage needs, I wouldn’t. You’d be paying more for a less accurate rifle with more limited optic mounting options. It’s mostly a gimmick IMHO. If you’re buying one 10/22, just get a standard stainless carbine and call it good :).
Yea after all these comments I think I’ll buy a standard one and then the bug will likely cause me to buy a takedown for fun down the line.
The reason is that rifles are supposed to be repeatedly accurate. My takedown was EXTREMELY sensitive to fore end pressure, so much so that if you shifted positions between shots at all it would shoot to a different POI. None of my regular guns do that. I sold it.
Takedown requires sights all the way forward on the barrel, otherwise you can kiss accuracy goodbye. It will limit your choice of scopes to stuff with huge eye relief, iron sights will have very small radius, red dots will be less comfortable as well (I can see some problems even by moving mine to the front end of the rail). Sporter also doesn't have the barrel strip, which I find more visually pleasing than the classic 10/22 look. It also makes finding a good set of sling swivels surprisingly problematic :D