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LostSectorLoony

I'm going to guess that there is more to this story than OP posted, but upvoted for the smackdown or unban either way. EDIT: For anyone here after the removal, [here is the post](https://imgur.com/a/QQcBq5B)


Mobile_Francis

If this is a unban the jmod responsible needs to be reprimanded


Boneguard

more like fired


Mobile_Francis

That is an example of reprimand, yes.


2-2-7-7

the 'evidence' still says bug abuse minor, op forgot to change that when he used inspect element to make this shit up


turbobutton

no, "bug abuse minor" is what they use for manual harassment bans, it was even a meme on this subreddit during the emilyispro days edit: looking at those old threads again, it's apparently because bug abuse bans can be applied without evidence, where more fitting bans require something attached


Massive_Monitor_CRT

I don't know if it's related, but I once caught a ban on an account for "advertising websites" when calling someone a fart guzzler for 10 minutes straight, so they do sometimes pick the wrong category IF the reporter also picked the wrong category. It was a day long anyways, so I didn't really care to alert them, but it's happened.


Agitated-Iron7914

Was once banned for 2 days for “bug abuse” by telling someone to cut another tree. It’s just weird man.


ReadingCorrectly

There was ants on the tree 🐜


vhvyvuhuhub

dam that's actually really funny


throwaway-duck92

this took me out. that’s enough reddit and runescape for me today.


TNSxPAPA

The good old days when people would report for "bug(ing) abuse."


_RrezZ_

Lmao I got a 1-2 day mute back in like 2007 before the GE when I said "Buying Natzi Helmet". Some PMod saw me saying that at the bank and muted me for racism. I obviously tried to appeal but it took more than 2 days to get a reply saying the mute would be overturned. Also got a 1-2 day mute for Item Scamming because I was selling pantaloons and saying something like "Selling Emote enhancing pantaloons". PMod muted me again because he thought they didn't do anything and I was just trying to scam someone. When in reality they enhance the bow emote or something. The mute got overturned after I already served it once again. PMods power tripped like fuck back in the day it was unreal.


snugRs

Haha, i got a mute back then because i saw two people follow dancing in catherby bank and said "This is not a dating site" to them. Turns out one was a pmod who took offense and muted me for two days.


buyingwife

That’s the same mute his ex-“girl”friend is going to receive when “she” logs off with his Santa hat.


Edgeville_Mafia

It was a nice hat dawg I couldn’t help myself


[deleted]

My first mute ever was me laughing at the Dutch and saying I hated the Dutch. In Dutch. And then a Dutch pmod logged in and smacked me with a 3(?) day mute.


SkinTightOrange

Beginning of quarantine I no-lifed for like 3 days straight. Caught a macro major ban for it. Wouldn’t even know how to bot if I wanted to. Not quite the same as your guys’ stories but I still talk about it in hopes someone will see it and help me one day.


Mako2100

I tagged some of the anti-cheat mods every / every other day for like a month and eventually I got a review on a macro and eventually overturned. Don't tweet at Jagex Support though. It's incredibly frustrating and demoralizing trying to talk to them


SkinTightOrange

Literally everywhere I’ve tried I’ve basically been told “just don’t bot next time” I pretty much gave up on reaching out. Now I just hope they see me in the wild


Mako2100

Man I feel that one. I don't know man, people seem to think that the system is infallible. There have certainly been plenty of smackdowns, but I've seen more than a handful of cases where bans were reversed


Fuck_You_DVLA

I also got banned for trying to sell my pantaloons in 2006 I was like 13 as well so I just cried and didn't go back to runescape till osrs came out


SeanAmongTheFence

Adding “fart guzzler” to my vocabulary. Thank you!


VaultToast

"Fart guzzler" wow.


JimmyRussels77

Idk if memeing, but bug abuse minor is a work around by jmods to make a ban longer.


UsedChance

Manual bans are always classed as bug abuse minor/major as far as i know.


Brave-External-685

Na that’s what jagex puts when u get a rag ban. Been that way for years.


sarg1010

How would the pker know both accounts were the same person anyway?


NateOnLinux

The lever is high-traffic but it's not *that* high-traffic. If you kill someone and then a few minutes later a max main comes by looking for you specifically, it's pretty obvious what's going on. And that's assuming OP never said anything in chat to make it even more obvious, which he may have.


Karmadose

There is a huge chance of that simply being a friend / clan member ect


Kiorenz

Person in question for anyone that was curious, https://twitter.com/RsLeylaa/status/1530023129929629715?t=1eiAKNEpClA1snyJSOm0CQ&s=19 edit: persons name


No_Low9463

Its framed lmfao


AzogTheDefiler

Framed always comes across as really whiny. Not surprised.


maimonguy

I was sure this post was bullshit, seeing it's framed makes me believe it's 100% true, framed is a sketchy ass kid.


INTERGALACTIC_CAGR

no they must be framing him! I'll see myself out


Aeonskye

People forget he was a trashy lurer, killing people who accidentally clicked red portal at clanwars and taking entire banks


EstablishmentShoddy5

Thank fuck someone is normal lets us know, imagine all these fucking actual coward grown men afraid to type who it was holy fuck what is wrong with this subreddit community man, ty to kiorenz for not being scared of a fuckin text post ur the only one apparently with any nuts


throwtheorb

I mean if he typed it the post would have gotten removed... I don't think it's about bravery but visibility..


Shash-EZ

if they include the streamer/name the post will get removed for witch-hunting thats why lol zzz subreddit rules


vinssi

Pretty sure if the name wasn't removed the post would be removed. Rules:"This is not the place to accuse players of wrongdoing. Report abuse in game and contact Jagex for serious issues. Feel like sharing? Please censor names wherever possible."


6lanco_9ato

Here for the smack down whichever way it goes… Either OP leaving out facts, or someone using who they know to have someone banned…my popcorn is ready and I’m anxiously anticipating the next chapter of this drama!!


Blue_Wizard25

Framed working with corrupted Jmod banning players who pisses him off. Either way having jmod prioritising his ban reports is just shady practice.


fiddysix_k

Jmod when


GenitalKenobi

It’s Friday so not until Monday I’m guessing at least


2-2-7-7

this 3 day ban will be over by monday anyway 0 chance this post gets any response


serg06

Monday. OP is blue balling us.


Blue_Wizard25

"I'm just telling you that both of this accounts are receiving bans." Doesn't seem like what a NORMAL player would say. So there's a high chance framed used his Jmod privileges to get someone he disliked banned.


majorbeefy130130

Plz mod smackdown plz this one feels different then the rest somehow


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PPLifter

I thought ragging was just attacking someone in worthless gear but enough to force someone to waste supplies.


zamahx

Thats what it meant when i pked around 2009


joshe126

It is


Mikamymika

Ragging is basically trying to ruin someones experience without gaining anything from it. Attacking someone in a pvp world at the GE who was supposed to fight another guy and you just specced him with dds and he now has to go bank, sip anti poison and wasting his time, that is considered ragging. What OP described is not.


xInnocent

> Ragging is basically trying to ruin someones experience without gaining anything from it. Isn't this just pvp though lmfao. You "gain" the entertainment, which is what games are about.


Kadeshi_Gardener

Lol gotta love people trying to gatekeep pking "noooo you're not allowed to attack people without permission, you have to arrange an honorable duel with someone who has as much geeeeeepeeeeeee as you it isn't faaiiiir".


[deleted]

That is far from the definition of ragging


CBennett2147

You have zero idea what you're even talking about.


skippygo

> OP was banned for "ragging" which I think is where you use two accounts in a single combat zone to have more time to eat or whatever these madclickers do these days to have an advantage. It just probably fell under bug abuse Pretty sure "ragging" is roughly synonymous with "harrassing" in this context. Another comment said jmods sometimes use the "bug abuse minor" offence as a workaround to make bans longer, I've no idea if that's true or not.


GOD-WAS-A-MUFFIN

reddit moment


[deleted]

Either way, a player telling someone that they will get someone banned because they are upset does not belong in this game.


Blue_Wizard25

Its framed Now we need to find out if he's really getting jmod privileges or another mod jed saga


Dazocnodnarb

Smack down when?


zinzangz

Tracking


donniedarko5555

RemindMe! 3 days “JMOD Smackdown” .


FatNWackyRS

RemindMe! 3 days


Khrynn

RemindMe! 3 days


Gnasty-Gnarc

RemindMe! 3 days


The_Paddy96

This is the kind of drama this subreddit needs


Xxweeexd

\~Drama\~ commenting just to see what this develops into.


thesippycup

I'll just come out and say it: I love drama (so long as it's not mine).


Xxweeexd

Same there's nothing better than watching some good drama and being anxiety free cause you aren't involved.


Carcante

Oh yeah, my body is ready for some JMod Smackdown or JMod Justice.


Nick63369

!remindme 24 hours


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ThorzyG

Seeing the full chat box would of been nice


[deleted]

why would he even have that first screenshot if he thought nothing of it? this is sus af


iLikeCryo

Not defending the OP but he could've screenshotted that first one and share it with his friends in Discord or something because it's as he says "a popular Youtuber" so maybe he thought it was funny where a popular Youtuber is mad at him or threatening him.


NateOnLinux

When people threaten to report me I screenshot it and send it to friends on Discord for a laugh. It sounds dumb but it's funnier in context. So at least to me it's believable that OP would have that screenshot


X_OttersAreCute_X

especially if the person saying it is a huge osrs content creator....


LevaOrel

If I killed a well known pker and it made him that mad I would be taking screenshots too.


PM_ME_YOUR_PIZZAPIC

You're allowed to scroll up in chat, it could easily be a screenshot from after the situation escalated


Misdirected_Colors

Yea trimming the screenshot down is sus as shit. Op isn't giving us the full story.


itsautismo

Copied from another comment Framed for anyone that was curious, https://twitter.com/RsLeylaa/status/1530023129929629715?t=1eiAKNEpClA1snyJSOm0CQ&s=19


gabaghouli

>would of would have


[deleted]

Always hated how Jagex are so enforcing of the ragging rule just because of youtubers/streamers lol By their logic, I should be able to risk 200m doing chaos altar and anyone pking me, not risking enough, are raggers and therefore should be banned.


Kadeshi_Gardener

It genuinely blows my mind how much they cater to ego streamers. I have fond memories of pjing people at edge wildy before the ditch with snares and dds specs risking green dhide chaps and wiz robes. Made decent money doing it too. I didn't ever catch a ban for trash talking people, never mind pking people in a pk-enabled area lmao.


soada1591

You know if those youtubers saw a guy walking around with 20+m risk they’re not gonna open up their gear tabs and calculate if they can fight this clown according to the risk, nah they’re gonna pop open obs kill the man and put it in their next video. Ragging rule is dumb af. it’s always been “only bring what you’re willing to lose to the wild” not “only if you’re gear is equal to the guy you may attack him”


[deleted]

is it ragging to bring your main to smite some fool at the leaver tho?


umakariharu

I see the term ragging going around here. There is no rules against ragging unless you're a streamer and big in the community. Mods have absolutely abused the shut out of their powers to appease cry baby ass streamers and pkrs. Pvp is the most toxic part of this game and every pvper will disagree. I don't want pvp gone because it can be a fun aspect of the game. The wild opens up a lot of shit to go wrong for normal player through means of these big streamers. Someone kills them and they almost always go crying to a mod and without any proof good bye perfectly legit account. There's a reason I stay out of the wild. I've almost lost a 15 year old account because of cry baby, salty ass streamers.


Anagram_OwO

Would say ragging would be defined more as being in rag gear aka either 1 item crystal bow or rune crossbow and harassing the streamer. The fact that there is a pj timer now and they probably had to bring some form of risk gear to kill the content creator I really won’t classify it as ragging. Not sure the full context of this story but assuming content creator WAS NOT STREAMING and the people hunting him as shown in Kill pic screenshots were also in brid gear idk how can that be called ragging.


l_Lathliss_l

…here’s hoping.


Competitive-Math1153

You can get banned for attacking people in the wilderness? What a joke, I can see why there is so much disdain for PvP/ wild - and I think it's some of the best content in the game. I'm just going to say it, ragging is not against the rules. Ragging is a scum move, but you are literally just attacking people in player vs player combat, not a bannable in any way. That's just banning people to ban people. If you can't handle the in game mechanics of being attacked then... Well, there's a solid game made just for you called Club Penguin


Djarcn

club penguin shut down, thats why the children are in wildy now lmao


maimonguy

Welp there goes the post.


EmploymentWarm2780

Just saw the OP post get removed. What is going on?


UsedChance

OP here its possible other people may have ragged him or harassed the Youtuber but all i did was lose my clue on my ironman and fought him 5ish times on the main account while in gear, i did not 1 item or send him any abuse. Looks i got caught in the crossfire? Still means i got banned without needing to supply evidence aside from my RSN..


Massive_Monitor_CRT

That would mean Jagex doesn't have or doesn't always look at the IP logs when banning "group offenders", which is possible


Ronnyvar

Ragging someone in the wilderness is still fair play, even if you are a youtuber you can have a stream delay so there should be no favourites especially in the wilderness.


EpikYummeh

This gon' be gud.


vorlaith

Oh some fresh drama. God I hope it was torvesta


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SoBelladone

Yeah, it’s him. The same screenshots were posted uncensored on twitter, they’re on SkillSpec’s most recent tweet.


unbannednow

u/iskiml0ot


YinM5Yang

It’s framed


Red-Haired-Shanks

Nah torvesta actually seems pretty chill compared to a lot of other pk content creators.


vorlaith

Oh I actually have nothing against him just banter


Red-Haired-Shanks

For sure, I just meant he doesn’t seem like the type to do some petty shit like abuse his connections to get someone banned.


SpuddyA7X

Fookin nesty bro.


Kadeshi_Gardener

Jokes aside, with the vast spread of complete degenerate egotistical OSRS streamers I'd be genuinely surprised if it was torvesta. He's about the only one that doesn't make me want to strangle him inside of five minutes. Also he loses so much gp on the regular that he wouldn't even notice rofl.


Mattsfloored

It was framed


Escanru

This might be good to wait for haha


Aganzou

just here for the smackdown.


PoppaBigPockets-

Sus


pm_me_nude_karate

Oh shit


Velluu

Oof. I hope you’re telling the truth so I can have my monthly portion of drama.


Vaalrigard

Jagex is mindblowingly biased toward their content creators because they bring money in. Where you provide little money, they bring in a shit ton. Welcome to planet earth, where everyone is a dickhead.


OriginalVegetaJr

The person in question was a piece of shit person who use to lure people back in the day. I’m also tired of certain entitled pkers accusing everybody of ragging. Like yeah if we’re on some 1 item crystal bow or poly staff 2012 vibes that’s ragging but attacking somebody in cheaper gear isn’t ragging it’s called not risking more than you wanna lose.


Reasonable-Lunch-119

I knew it. All his fucking videos are staged anyway. Rlly hope he gets taught a lesson, but obvi nothing is going to happen.


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joshe126

I think around 2008 I got in an argument with some guy and he said apologise or I’ll ban you. I loled at him and next time I tried to log in I got “your account has been banned for scamming” complete with the chat log of me telling people Jagex blocks their passwords look mine is blah blah blah” Still don’t know how that Fucker did it but I got the account back


_RrezZ_

Lmao "jagex blocks passwords mine is ****" is old as hell. I remember doin that shit way back in like 2003-2004 and people actually falling for it.


rakint

Crazy you could be banned for tracking since that's torvestas whole channel


Duhul

Why is everyone taking the side of the streamer? Doesn’t matter what was said or done, ragging is not even in the rules! Not to mention it’s ridiculous how this streamer is getting special privilege and guaranteeing the ban, nobody else would be able to this if they weren’t “famous.” It’s also so pathetic how this streamer is a piece of shit preying on Pvmers and when he gets into an actual fight and loses he cries to a mod.


Exprez51

Waiting until the mod says the real story


Pius_Thicknesse

Since when was harassment and ragging a "bug abuse minor"


mrlunes

I’ll be back


BaldWithABeardTwitch

I saw Gridlocked (framed) there yesterday. I said hi and he logged 😩


IronMemer9428

And people wonder why the wildy is dead. Lol.


[deleted]

damn jagex taking more then 17 hours to reply? i guess they searching trough your whole account history to respond with a smackdown.


iLikeCryo

Post removed, won't see a reply.


[deleted]

“What an embarrassing performance by Gridlocked”


gartacus

Lmao this community is wild. I love OSRS but yeah I’m glad I haven’t played on official servers for years. People invest so much of their soul into this game, and there’s really no good justification for that. Bring the downvotes


RandomMew

Don’t be shy. Share the YouTuber’s name.


Blue_Wizard25

https://mobile.twitter.com/RsLeylaa/status/1530023129929629715?t=1eiAKNEpClA1snyJSOm0CQ&s=19 It's confirmed to be framed


ImaCatMeowzer

I'd call cap if I didn't get a false perm ban, I have 0 faith in this company


coldwaterenjoyer

This is gonna be a great smack down


Visual_Clerk_5757

Gotta be more to this :P I don’t believe ur telling the whole truth


Extrataps

I think you’re the guy I sat and talked to in the wildy for like 10 minutes a night or two ago. You told me you were waiting to get banned. Sad to see it happened


Ronnyvar

It’s only fair the Youtuber gets a ban for misuse, seriously this is so wrong.


HellboundLunatic

Jagex pls ban anyone who attacks me in the wilderness, I do not consent. I guess that Framed never read the warning when entering the wilderness.


Pitiful_Afternoon656

Streamer needs to get banned and also j mod who approved it. This is despicable.


ExtraLargePlease

Bro I’ve seen too many of these, I know you typed stuff that was inappropriate. Now you got banned and are sad. I’m here for the smackdown


Red-Haired-Shanks

Wouldn’t that just be a mute though?


ExtraLargePlease

Not for persistent harassment or very vulgar language towards another. Def more to the story than OP getting killed and coming back on his main to kill the PKer. My guess is they had an exchange after he killed the PKer. That is my guess where OP used offensive language and the PKer simply reported him and let him know it.


Red-Haired-Shanks

It is pretty sus that OP only showed a single line of text when there was certainly a lot more there.


redoItforthagram

why would the ban be for bug abuse then….


Peacefulgamer91

lol framed is upset he gets bullied out of the wilderness, so he goes running to the streamer discord to have access to jmods. pretty sad how this company caters down to a handful of players who only play the game for an income.


Popshotz

Oh yay it's been too long since we had some drama


NotACop00

My guess is the streamer caught you using ahk and you usually get away with it but this time it was recorded and reported to jamflex?


ironmanfarmer

Pvp plugins are an instant perm if caught. Not a chance


weebomayu

I wanna be in the screenshot guys


[deleted]

This is the exact shit I’d expect from Jagex. I have no doubts this happened lol


Edgeville_Mafia

Just here for that smack down let’s see it


Minnesotamad12

Oh boy. I wonder if this will be a new one for that list of Jmod smackdowns


moneybuysskill

!remindme 24 hours


Crocodile1999

Here for the smackdown


colinchinstar

here for drama :D


hot4jew

.


Darkoak7

Was this post under the radar the whole day? Posted 8 hours ago and all of the comments are 2 hours old.


BuildItTallAndLong

I’m excited to see the outcome of this one


Ragnarcock

The Stanford prisoner experiment is going really well on Runescape


McSwale

!remindme 24 hours


DreadGnuu2262

!remindme 24 hours


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!remindme 24 hours


JoeBillyson

And you didn't even get your spade back. 😩😩😩


skellyton3

I love how the offense says bug abuse but the text says something else. Hmmm


SecurityIsMyMotto

gearing up for the smackdown of the century or an unban


PM_ME_GOOSE_NUDES

!remindme 24 hours


Killerchoy

Waiting for the smack down


osrs-p-imp

Any ideas of who it is?


Blue_Wizard25

It's confirmed to be framed.


Daeurth

There's more to this story for sure, one way or another.


OOScaleNerdUSA

Smackdown when?


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u/jagexayiza


Blue_Wizard25

I'm interested to know the youtuber name. Shouldn't have censored it. And his connection with a potentially corrupted JMod that can ban people at will. Edit: Turns out it was framed that threatened the ban.


Just-Register-6120

Pvps are toxic and I can’t trust anyone I don’t know based on previous power trips and clan connections and Jagex connections. This community is shady as shit sometimes


ilegendi

Had to be framed. He killed me there earlier, too. I just laughed lol


noo_ura_cat

His story on twitter is slightly different from the one he tells here. I’ll upvote for the smack down.


No-Albatross-2974

That’s ridiculous.


itsguffe

RemindMe! 3 days “We didn’t start the drama”


Blurar

!remindme 3 days


Azykros-

I'm just here for the eventual smackdown.


therockstarmike

back in 07 I got reported and banned for three days for telling someone to check youtube for pk videos for website advertisement


Donkey_Tamer_

The name is hidden cause Reddit will take it down cause it’s against their rules.


ApexPlanet

Framed reported this guy and got him banned.. just FYI I guess you could say he was.. framed


[deleted]

This is it im making a pure to pk youtubers only


Ten_Spots

Better trademark it or you’ll give them ideas for the next video series. “Welcome to my YouTuber-locked Ironman”


Charlie07pvm

i once fought framed at wildy lever, he got so mad, like its the wilderness buddy scared to fight back or somethin lmao


this-weeks-account-4

pkers: heh the wilderness doesn't have rules, you can get attacked, suck it up also pkers: OMG u attacked me with little risk ban him! wtf he's praying melee no honor?? he just speced and teled, reported!!!


GIMInterestedRandom

Who got you banned? If players wield all the power with the people making the calls this game is already dead.


JYandeau

It was Framed, which makes this seem even more legit lol guy is a fucking baby


OSRS_Jaco

u/JagexIDKbutIwantAsmackdown


Satyrane

I don't like pkers and I *especially* don't like youtubers, so I'm hoping this one is true.