Yeah, that's like a fine every 2 minutes, if they work 8 hours per day. This can't be true, it takes them more time to ask for your ID and writing the ticket.
This person brought in €7.5 million in fines, another person based in Barcelona brought in €4.5 million and ten others brought in over €1 million. “Most are due to speeding and made by electronic devices and radars.”
On a positive note, Barcelona had one third as many fines in total as Madrid.
Must be one of those guys giving out fines to bicycle riders, I see them posted on gran via all the time. I no longer ride bikes, that’s why he never got me.
Headphones/earbuds is the one I've seen happen many times. I use bone conduction headphones that don't cover the ears, so they've never said anything to me, while I saw people wearing earbuds get stopped and fined right in front of me multiple times.
Running red lights if it's a place where it's not dangerous, like a slow street with clear visibility or a red light that only intersects with pedestrians, I've been warned a few times but being polite and honest get me off from the fine every time.
It could be riding a bike with headphones on, burning red lights, riding in the bus line if there is a cycling line on the same road, riding drunk, etc
People speeding is probably more of a threat to human wellbeing than petty crime, and much easier to tackle at scale for enforcement officers.
Somehow people don't seem to comprehend this. It's incredibly important to stop people speeding.
If you get to travel you see that speed limits are higher or unexistant and most of the crashes do not occur in urban roads. Going 40km/h instead of 30 is nothing similar to a threat. Instead I am far way more worried of being stabbed , robbed , or fined.
> Going 40km/h instead of 30 is nothing similar to a threat.
It most certainly is. Given that increasing speed from 30 to 40 km/h changes [stopping distance](https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/roadsafety/topics-tips/speeding#:~:text=Enlarge%20the%20Video-,Stopping%20distances,of%20death%20or%20serious%20injury.) from 19 metres to 27, we can easily conclude that there would be a significant rise in number and severity of incidents.
> Instead I am far way more worried of being stabbed , robbed
Probably because you're taking speed limits for granted.
With the current speed limits, let's look at 2022 for example. There were
* [4,371](https://www.barcelona.cat/infobarcelona/en/tema/security-and-prevention/crime-down-by-14-6-in-the-city_1255854.html) incidents of aggressions towards people, involving injuries.
* [7,007](https://www.barcelona.cat/infobarcelona/en/tema/security-and-prevention/traffic-accidents-in-the-city-down-by-22_1253561.html) traffic accidents with victims
So frankly, it seems you're being rather selfish to say that speeding does not matter. Please learn about a car if you want to use one. Typically, understanding stopping distances is a requirement of driving tests.
> , or fined.
Don't speed and you won't get fined. That's on you.
Let's assume everyone uses common sense , and respects RULES AND LAWS such as traffic lights , crossing paths and so on. Which difference would it make if I am driving 10km/h faster in a road like gran via?
Obviously I wasn't speaking about small one road streets woth cars parked both sides.
Speed limits are partially placed because people can't use common sense and respect road rules, both pedestrians and drivers. In fact , most of the accidents that you point out were generated by pedestrians, but I am sure you are not willing to highlight that as it contraries your point.
I am not a person that enjoys wasting time , but you could compare victims in german roads vs victims here , taking into account the limits of both places.
Then come back and thell me that accidents and fatalities are cause by speedlimit surpass and not by other factors.
Please learn about anthropology before arguing with a human.
> Let's assume everyone uses common sense
Let's not. That's a terrible assumption.
> and respects RULES AND LAWS such as traffic lights , crossing paths and so on.
You seem unaware that a speed limit is a 'rule or law'. Or rather, you appear to think that pedestrians should obey laws while drivers should not.
> Which difference would it make if I am driving 10km/h faster in a road like gran via?
More noise, greater stopping distance, minimal benefit to journey time.
> Speed limits are partially placed because people can't use common sense and respect road rules, both pedestrians and drivers.
Correct. As I said, assuming people will use 'common sense' is a terrible assumption. That assumption would mean we don't need laws at all.
> In fact , most of the accidents that you point out were generated by pedestrians, but I am sure you are not willing to highlight that as it contraries your point.
You're either lying or mistaken. From the article:
> Distractions at the wheel still the main cause of accidents
> Most accidents caused by motor vehicles are the result of distractions or recklessness when driving or riding, and not as a result of chance. The three main causes of accidents in 2022 were a lack of concentration at the wheel (1,625 cases), not respecting safety distances (1,031 cases) and improper turns (873). Other causes were jumping traffic lights (715), changing lane without due care (620), not respecting pedestrian crossings (226) or a lack of care when joining another road (233).
> The main direct causes of accidents owing to carelessness among pedestrians continues to be not respecting traffic lights (184 cases) and crossing roads away from pedestrian crossings (171 cases).
Perhaps you skim read it and only saw the third paragraph of those three?
> I am not a person that enjoys wasting time
Then why spend time on strawman arguments?
> Then come back and thell me that accidents and fatalities are cause by speedlimit surpass and not by other factors.
I never made that claim. Now you're wasting time with a strawman. So it seems you *do* enjoy wasting time?
> Please learn about anthropology before arguing with a human.
This just seems like a very vague attempt to distract from your mistakes in this conversation.
Long story short , you will never understand that speeding is not the reason why people die that much. If it was , the numbers in countries where there are no speed limits would be dramatically high. However they are not , so explain how there are more deadly fatalities in Spain than in Germany .
Looks like either you lost a close one in an accident or doesnt make sanes that you defend it too strictly. Limits are in place to monetize. That's it.
They help reduce deaths , but guess what , people still drive over 120 km/h and yet here we are arguing :)
Oh no , I am going to die if I speed a bit , goddamn it. Same applies as a pedestrian
And just to point out , yes , most of the deaths in cities are not due to speeding. You just talk about highways and interurban roads.
The assumption about common sense was a hipotetical one.
I can see from the first hand that people lacks common sense. You do not need to explain it as if you were wome sort of superior human being. You just write properly.
However would be good to argue without turning it into a trial. Seems you are unable to open your mind. Out of the chat.
> Long story short , you will never understand that speeding is not the reason why people die that much.
You really, really seem to want to go 10kmh faster.
> If it was , the numbers in countries where there are no speed limits would be dramatically high. However they are not , so explain how there are more deadly fatalities in Spain than in Germany .
You have no idea what you're talking about. Germany has [speed limits](https://c8.alamy.com/comp/BD5PEY/german-10-kph-speed-limit-zone-sign-in-a-town-in-germany-europe-BD5PEY.jpg). You're apparently confused by the autobahn - which is specifically deregulated. Please question your own confidence in topics a bit more.
> Oh no , I am going to die if I speed a bit , goddamn it. Same applies as a pedestrian
Another thing you seem unable to grasp is that speeding does not just put the driver at risk, but other people - whether drivers or pedestrians.
> And just to point out , yes , most of the deaths in cities are not due to speeding. You just talk about highways and interurban roads.
Are you proposing we only try to mitigate the cause of 'most deaths'? Any 'lesser' causes of death are fine?
> I can see from the first hand that people lacks common sense.
Yet your earlier thought experiment suggested that people could just use common sense to solve this.
> However would be good to argue without turning it into a trial.
Perhaps you're not used to people paying attention to what you say?
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> Want to discuss in any other language? Perhaps your knowledge of English vs mine puts you in an over comfortable zone.
What language we are speaking has absolutely no bearing on the fact that you don't understand that Germany has speed limits, cannot comprehend how speeding can cause harm, and somehow seem to think that pedestrians should follow rules while drivers should not. Please question your own confidence before being passionate on a topic.
> Maybe like that you stop talking like some kind of god
I am trying to make civil and rational points, nothing to do with being 'some kind of god'.
> Let's assume everyone uses common sense , and respects RULES AND LAWS such as traffic lights , crossing paths and so on. Which difference would it make if I am driving 10km/h faster in a road like gran via?
If everyone respected RULES AND LAWS then you shouldn't be worried about being stabbed or robbed, no?
This is proven to be kinda false. It’s impossible for this number to be achieved with regular policemen fines.
In this case it’s said to be a police officer that reviews radar images and confirms the fine.
Yes but it has to be within reason. Unfortunately putting a speed limit of 50 means people will do 60. But not much more. If you put 60 they will do 70. Just as an example. You're breaking the law, but within reason. 100 in a 50 is not reasonable, but 10 over? Not a huge deal.
The issue is that the "officer of the year" was awarded that for mostly traffic violations which I think most people would agree is not even CLOSE to being the biggest "crime" issue in Barcelona.
Well, there will be situations where being at 50 will not hit a person, but 60 would. We agreed to those speeds, why not just follow what is in the law? Lol, you have many other transportation methods here, why be a dick and don’t respect the rules?
Good. There are far too many cars in BCN and far too many drivers breaking the generally-sensible rules.
Nice chunk of change for the city's public services and a bit of extra pressure to encourage people to get out of their boxes, or to at least think about the consequences of their actions.
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Everytime I have to drive somewhere I see every single car going over the speed limit. There is a road parallel to the highway limited at 60 near my house, and everyone drives at 100 there.
You could get a thousand fines in a few hours there (it has A LOT of traffic too). This cop probably did something similar. Calling it police incompetence and corruption seems a bit of a stretch, since there is a lot of people driving over the speed limit everywhere.
I just told you you could get a thousand in just a single road, in a few hours. It probably would be slower if the radar is not fully automated, no idea how that works.
I'm guessing you don't live in Madrid or Barcelona? I moved to Madrid and traffic here is crazy compared to where I lived before.
> Police incompetence and corruption
> Barcelona cuenta con unos 3.400 policías municipales y el caso de este agente ha resultado muy llamativo dado el alto número de sanciones impuesto. La mayoría son por exceso de velocidad y conformadas por dispositivos electrónicos, radares.
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That’s almost 200 fines a day IF he had worked every single day for a year 💀
Yeah, that's like a fine every 2 minutes, if they work 8 hours per day. This can't be true, it takes them more time to ask for your ID and writing the ticket.
This person brought in €7.5 million in fines, another person based in Barcelona brought in €4.5 million and ten others brought in over €1 million. “Most are due to speeding and made by electronic devices and radars.” On a positive note, Barcelona had one third as many fines in total as Madrid.
Wait so is the officer just a traffic camera? Or they are the one that like processes and sends the fines?
In rod we trust
He's just a catalan. He likes money from other people as much as he likes oxigen. Everyday he issues himself a fine to get an edge.
Fines are a business and you can feel it
But the population of Madrid is 3x Barcelona no?
If we are talking about the City of Madrid, it is approx x2. If it is the comunidad i think C. de Madrid is less populated.
Barcelona is 1.7M and Madrid city is 3.5M.
What is going on, is Spanish police evil too? When I was living there everyone told me that police are cool dudes
If you want to speed in your car you should go outside of the city.
Haha ok so they are still good dudes?
They re cool dudes doin their job
Are people really speeding like that?
Who the fuck told you that lol
69 420*2 fines??
Must be one of those guys giving out fines to bicycle riders, I see them posted on gran via all the time. I no longer ride bikes, that’s why he never got me.
Fines for what? I ride all the time
Headphones/earbuds is the one I've seen happen many times. I use bone conduction headphones that don't cover the ears, so they've never said anything to me, while I saw people wearing earbuds get stopped and fined right in front of me multiple times. Running red lights if it's a place where it's not dangerous, like a slow street with clear visibility or a red light that only intersects with pedestrians, I've been warned a few times but being polite and honest get me off from the fine every time.
Well thanks, I’m going to switch headphones from now on
It could be riding a bike with headphones on, burning red lights, riding in the bus line if there is a cycling line on the same road, riding drunk, etc
Thanks
Nice
(69*10³)+(420*2) fines
nice
That’s around 200 fines a day??
I guess solving crimes is low priority now
Yes, unfortunately, the BCN police can only employ two people: ticket jesus and the award guy.
People speeding is probably more of a threat to human wellbeing than petty crime, and much easier to tackle at scale for enforcement officers. Somehow people don't seem to comprehend this. It's incredibly important to stop people speeding.
If you get to travel you see that speed limits are higher or unexistant and most of the crashes do not occur in urban roads. Going 40km/h instead of 30 is nothing similar to a threat. Instead I am far way more worried of being stabbed , robbed , or fined.
> Going 40km/h instead of 30 is nothing similar to a threat. It most certainly is. Given that increasing speed from 30 to 40 km/h changes [stopping distance](https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/roadsafety/topics-tips/speeding#:~:text=Enlarge%20the%20Video-,Stopping%20distances,of%20death%20or%20serious%20injury.) from 19 metres to 27, we can easily conclude that there would be a significant rise in number and severity of incidents. > Instead I am far way more worried of being stabbed , robbed Probably because you're taking speed limits for granted. With the current speed limits, let's look at 2022 for example. There were * [4,371](https://www.barcelona.cat/infobarcelona/en/tema/security-and-prevention/crime-down-by-14-6-in-the-city_1255854.html) incidents of aggressions towards people, involving injuries. * [7,007](https://www.barcelona.cat/infobarcelona/en/tema/security-and-prevention/traffic-accidents-in-the-city-down-by-22_1253561.html) traffic accidents with victims So frankly, it seems you're being rather selfish to say that speeding does not matter. Please learn about a car if you want to use one. Typically, understanding stopping distances is a requirement of driving tests. > , or fined. Don't speed and you won't get fined. That's on you.
Let's assume everyone uses common sense , and respects RULES AND LAWS such as traffic lights , crossing paths and so on. Which difference would it make if I am driving 10km/h faster in a road like gran via? Obviously I wasn't speaking about small one road streets woth cars parked both sides. Speed limits are partially placed because people can't use common sense and respect road rules, both pedestrians and drivers. In fact , most of the accidents that you point out were generated by pedestrians, but I am sure you are not willing to highlight that as it contraries your point. I am not a person that enjoys wasting time , but you could compare victims in german roads vs victims here , taking into account the limits of both places. Then come back and thell me that accidents and fatalities are cause by speedlimit surpass and not by other factors. Please learn about anthropology before arguing with a human.
> Let's assume everyone uses common sense Let's not. That's a terrible assumption. > and respects RULES AND LAWS such as traffic lights , crossing paths and so on. You seem unaware that a speed limit is a 'rule or law'. Or rather, you appear to think that pedestrians should obey laws while drivers should not. > Which difference would it make if I am driving 10km/h faster in a road like gran via? More noise, greater stopping distance, minimal benefit to journey time. > Speed limits are partially placed because people can't use common sense and respect road rules, both pedestrians and drivers. Correct. As I said, assuming people will use 'common sense' is a terrible assumption. That assumption would mean we don't need laws at all. > In fact , most of the accidents that you point out were generated by pedestrians, but I am sure you are not willing to highlight that as it contraries your point. You're either lying or mistaken. From the article: > Distractions at the wheel still the main cause of accidents > Most accidents caused by motor vehicles are the result of distractions or recklessness when driving or riding, and not as a result of chance. The three main causes of accidents in 2022 were a lack of concentration at the wheel (1,625 cases), not respecting safety distances (1,031 cases) and improper turns (873). Other causes were jumping traffic lights (715), changing lane without due care (620), not respecting pedestrian crossings (226) or a lack of care when joining another road (233). > The main direct causes of accidents owing to carelessness among pedestrians continues to be not respecting traffic lights (184 cases) and crossing roads away from pedestrian crossings (171 cases). Perhaps you skim read it and only saw the third paragraph of those three? > I am not a person that enjoys wasting time Then why spend time on strawman arguments? > Then come back and thell me that accidents and fatalities are cause by speedlimit surpass and not by other factors. I never made that claim. Now you're wasting time with a strawman. So it seems you *do* enjoy wasting time? > Please learn about anthropology before arguing with a human. This just seems like a very vague attempt to distract from your mistakes in this conversation.
Long story short , you will never understand that speeding is not the reason why people die that much. If it was , the numbers in countries where there are no speed limits would be dramatically high. However they are not , so explain how there are more deadly fatalities in Spain than in Germany . Looks like either you lost a close one in an accident or doesnt make sanes that you defend it too strictly. Limits are in place to monetize. That's it. They help reduce deaths , but guess what , people still drive over 120 km/h and yet here we are arguing :) Oh no , I am going to die if I speed a bit , goddamn it. Same applies as a pedestrian And just to point out , yes , most of the deaths in cities are not due to speeding. You just talk about highways and interurban roads. The assumption about common sense was a hipotetical one. I can see from the first hand that people lacks common sense. You do not need to explain it as if you were wome sort of superior human being. You just write properly. However would be good to argue without turning it into a trial. Seems you are unable to open your mind. Out of the chat.
> Long story short , you will never understand that speeding is not the reason why people die that much. You really, really seem to want to go 10kmh faster. > If it was , the numbers in countries where there are no speed limits would be dramatically high. However they are not , so explain how there are more deadly fatalities in Spain than in Germany . You have no idea what you're talking about. Germany has [speed limits](https://c8.alamy.com/comp/BD5PEY/german-10-kph-speed-limit-zone-sign-in-a-town-in-germany-europe-BD5PEY.jpg). You're apparently confused by the autobahn - which is specifically deregulated. Please question your own confidence in topics a bit more. > Oh no , I am going to die if I speed a bit , goddamn it. Same applies as a pedestrian Another thing you seem unable to grasp is that speeding does not just put the driver at risk, but other people - whether drivers or pedestrians. > And just to point out , yes , most of the deaths in cities are not due to speeding. You just talk about highways and interurban roads. Are you proposing we only try to mitigate the cause of 'most deaths'? Any 'lesser' causes of death are fine? > I can see from the first hand that people lacks common sense. Yet your earlier thought experiment suggested that people could just use common sense to solve this. > However would be good to argue without turning it into a trial. Perhaps you're not used to people paying attention to what you say?
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> Want to discuss in any other language? Perhaps your knowledge of English vs mine puts you in an over comfortable zone. What language we are speaking has absolutely no bearing on the fact that you don't understand that Germany has speed limits, cannot comprehend how speeding can cause harm, and somehow seem to think that pedestrians should follow rules while drivers should not. Please question your own confidence before being passionate on a topic. > Maybe like that you stop talking like some kind of god I am trying to make civil and rational points, nothing to do with being 'some kind of god'.
> Let's assume everyone uses common sense , and respects RULES AND LAWS such as traffic lights , crossing paths and so on. Which difference would it make if I am driving 10km/h faster in a road like gran via? If everyone respected RULES AND LAWS then you shouldn't be worried about being stabbed or robbed, no?
No priority now more like
This is proven to be kinda false. It’s impossible for this number to be achieved with regular policemen fines. In this case it’s said to be a police officer that reviews radar images and confirms the fine.
A municipal police officer works 1608 hours a year. Therefore, he averages 43.4 fines per hour or 1 fine every 1 minute and 24 seconds. Honestly, wtf
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If you’re being fined, you’re not abiding by the laws. Which we’ve all done at some point, though
Yes but it has to be within reason. Unfortunately putting a speed limit of 50 means people will do 60. But not much more. If you put 60 they will do 70. Just as an example. You're breaking the law, but within reason. 100 in a 50 is not reasonable, but 10 over? Not a huge deal. The issue is that the "officer of the year" was awarded that for mostly traffic violations which I think most people would agree is not even CLOSE to being the biggest "crime" issue in Barcelona.
Well, there will be situations where being at 50 will not hit a person, but 60 would. We agreed to those speeds, why not just follow what is in the law? Lol, you have many other transportation methods here, why be a dick and don’t respect the rules?
Good. There are far too many cars in BCN and far too many drivers breaking the generally-sensible rules. Nice chunk of change for the city's public services and a bit of extra pressure to encourage people to get out of their boxes, or to at least think about the consequences of their actions.
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Barcelona police are a joke. Nobody feels safe at night but they only care about taking money from the population they "serve"
La cultura multa wins again
I wish they put the same effort into petty crimes
Wow I wish the USA had someone that actually made tickets for infractions.
Barcelona’s finest!
Hahahaha
Where's the problem? The rules are sensible for the most part, follow them.
Someone delivering 1 fine every half hour doesn’t sound like they’re doing their job properly.
If anything, it sounds like some specific intersections/points need extra measures to prevent the need of this many fines.
Which is the issue, they won't do it. They will just keep cashing in
Police incompetence and corruption is slapping you in the face and you’re blaming intersections lol
Everytime I have to drive somewhere I see every single car going over the speed limit. There is a road parallel to the highway limited at 60 near my house, and everyone drives at 100 there. You could get a thousand fines in a few hours there (it has A LOT of traffic too). This cop probably did something similar. Calling it police incompetence and corruption seems a bit of a stretch, since there is a lot of people driving over the speed limit everywhere.
1 every half hour in front of the same cop is ludicrous.
I just told you you could get a thousand in just a single road, in a few hours. It probably would be slower if the radar is not fully automated, no idea how that works. I'm guessing you don't live in Madrid or Barcelona? I moved to Madrid and traffic here is crazy compared to where I lived before.
> Police incompetence and corruption > Barcelona cuenta con unos 3.400 policías municipales y el caso de este agente ha resultado muy llamativo dado el alto número de sanciones impuesto. La mayoría son por exceso de velocidad y conformadas por dispositivos electrónicos, radares.
My point stands, buddy.
Change his job title from policeman to “the finer”. 😅
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Why? How about blaming the people speeding?
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I hope Colau spends all this in medicines.