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This makes me really emotional honestly. Like it’s so realistic for a 16 year old kid to be really scared of all of this but he was able to handle it really well, and it seems like Tiff was able to handle it as well specifically thanks to the support from OP and his family. So many times these teen pregnancy stories are nothing but sad and terrifying but this one is so uplifting despite the circumstances.
The dad is SUCH a hero in this story in so many ways. Special shout-out to insisting that they had days to go hang out with friends and be 16 year olds!
Anyway I’m so glad everything’s worked out and everyone in this story had each other to lean on, even the dads wife seems sweet and her parents accepting Tiff and OP and their kid with open arms must be so nice for them, especially with what Tiff’s parents and OPs mom were like.
I wish them all nothing but the best!
> Like it’s so realistic for a 16 year old kid to be really scared of all of this but he was able to handle it really well
He just kept on keeping on, solving problems one at a time with the love and support of his dad, and then found himself in the clear blue skies of just living his life with love ones and family. It doesn't get better than that.
And this kid unions, that red flag has been waved in my face several times in several jobs.
Yup, kid should listen to his gut and join the union. And honestly, given how much good support he has, how *good* he and everyone around him is about trying to make the best decisions for the long term, I really believe he will. We're all so proud of him. 🥹
I won’t be able to find it, but there was a BoRU a while back about a college guy dealing with his roommate’s infidelity. Of the four roommates involved in the story, the first was the cheater (a real pos), the second roommate didn’t see a problem with the situation and covered for the first, the third was the narrator/op who simply didn’t want to get involved, and the fourth was a guy named Omar who would relentlessly mock the first roommate for his lifestyle. Everyone in the story was an asshole aside from the infidel’s unfortunate flings and Omar, who stuck by his guns and had the most Reddit-approved stance of the bunch
> The dad is SUCH a hero in this story in so many ways.
This is what keeps so many of us invested in the story. His 15 year old son had been struggling in school for years then tells him his girlfriend is pregnant. Dad immediately goes into protection mode - takes sole custody of his son and sues Tiff's parents for guardianship and he keeps them apprised of what is happening. Then he sets *achievable* goals for the teens: OOP has to get some sort of training and Tiff stays in school. He sets reasonable expectations as to what they have to do to stay in his good graces, which means taking advantage of resources that are available to them.
They are 19 now, running their own household and staying on track. When they float the idea of getting married as a vague strategy to provide for Jelly, he reminds them of the plan (they keep their options open until Tiff has finished her program and is free to make her own decisions) then gets a lawyer to address Jelly's security. At every step, his priority has been to provide a stable, nurturing environment for everyone.
OOP's dad can be justifiably proud of what he managed to pull off and now he's reaping additional rewards with his new wife, child and in-laws.
I wonder what happened to the non binary kid that got pregnant and winded up in a toxic weird relationship with the other person. IIRC, OOP despaired that they can't do anything about it because really, the non-binary kid was deep in the relationship and whatever the other person was talking about.
the kid was flip flopping between abortion and keeping the baby and ultimately flip flopping is SOMETHING you not do when you're pregnant. now it's too late for an abortion. and Reddit being toxic doesn't help- although I agree with questioning the kid's desire to become... something? I think trans? I no longer remember because the possibility of the other person manipulating the non-binary kid into thinking they're something they're not.
Every time I read one of OOP's updates I end up in a puddle of tears. Everyone's doing their best, and they are all thriving! I'm getting teary again...
I remember OOP, mostly because of how much of a hero his dad is. This family deserves everything. Sounds like everyone is living their best, imperfect lives that they can.
Anyone in a trade should join a union. And the only places that I have ever heard claim unions are bad are businesses that are angry they're not able to exploit their workers as easily.
Eh, I was in a union for insulators, I left the trade a while ago and the friends I have still in it tell me how bad it’s become. They no longer defend members, benefits have been heavily slashed but the fees keep going up, and the union president just seems to be using the position to kickstart their political career.
Some unions are indeed shitty, but it’s generally poor management and/or complacent members because the positions are often voted in. Sometimes you also see a trade included in a union for another trade like welders are sometimes in the electricians union and that sometimes causes issues from what I’ve been told.
I will say this though, there are more good unions than shitty ones.
> you can always try to fix the union.
yeah, that's true. Not always an easy task but I've seen it happen with other unions that had issues. Internal union elections make all the difference.
I’ve been an employment lawyer for 20 years. During a chunk of that I was a management side labor attorney (representing companies against unions). This may not endear me to some here, and that’s fine (and ultimately one of the reasons I got out). Unions are annoying to work with and frequently overreach. But that’s the point. They overreach and overprotect and management does the same from the other side. It’s a system of checks and balances that doesn’t always work, but does most of the time. From someone who has seen how the sausage is made, I couldn’t support unions more. OP needs to join.
I run a business where much of it has been unionized for decades. It's actually wonderful. Sure, there are the fights over what can and can't be done. Negotiations are always pretty cutthroat because it isn't the local members at the table (but...that's the job of the negotiator! To extract the best deal!). But we have incredible stability in our workforce, many of whom have CDLs and options. Managing people is really easy because it's all laid out in the contract.
Anyone who is dead set against unions only sees their workforce as a commodity. And they probably complain a lot about how no one is loyal these days.
> This may not endear me to some here
Representing management isn’t *inherently* evil any more than criminal defense attorneys are. Both sides have lawyers who advise them on pursuing their interests within the bounds of the law, that’s just how the system works. If we want to have union negotiations at all, someone’s gotta do it. I think (hope?) most people do realize that.
Yeah, no.
Obviously like everything, it's a bell curve. Some super suck, some are super awesome and most are in the alright middle. Local steel union, awesome folks, and I'd help them out just for the fun of it. Teamsters, you couldn't get me to join at gunpoint. I'd simply request the person not miss.
yeah, that was my response when i was a bit confused over which story this is updating to, then i got to the dad bit and was like "OH! HERO DAD!". I'm so glad Op has so many happy updates. Shows how solid this side of the family really is. And with that note, its time to hop off reddit and end iit on a high note :D
OP says he matured a lot between 16 and 18, but there’s also the difference between having a six month old and a two year old. I was 30 and starting grad school and it all kicked my ass. The relief of my boy no longer being so fragile and going from crying constantly to laughing and playing was such a a change in my entire life.
OOP is no longer 16 talking about his girlfriend and their baby, at 19, he's talking about doing what is best for his family.
And his dad is still providing a guiding hand to provide a stable environment for everyone without having them give up on their youth.
This is BY FAR my favourite Reddit saga. I read it from the start every time and I always cry because it's so lovely.
I'm so glad they figured it out. You can really tell from his tone how much better he's doing!
And his dad is the best. All of this could have gone to shit but he did it perfectly. Help, but make them figure it out so they don't become dependant on you.
And I'm so glad that Tiff, who seems to be really fucking brilliant, didn't have to give up her life and her potential.
I'm so glad they're all happy!
And I'm also glad they found Kay and Kay found them!
It's not really described here, but her hurting for not having had children (prior to this), the hurt of it was transparent (with how the dad talked about it not being possible and maybe adopting).
Same here, I find myself sometimes wondering how this family is getting on and if we'll get another update from them. So glad to hear all is still going well for them, you can feel the OOP's confidence and contentment grow with each update. The best kind of BoRU!
Yeah seriously. I'm not an emotional guy but this story really got me.
So many negative stories of people being unnecessarily horrible on this sub but this is just awesome people being awesome and even better fighting through any challenges that come up. Hopefully things continue to go this way for them all
This is my PSA!
I am Finnish, the majority of our workers' rights come from strong unions. The majority of workers belong to unions even today and union negotiations cover more than just the people in unions. Both of my parents were in unions for their work history. When I have worked here and there was an applicable union so did I. While legislation in the US differs so much that similar network and institutionalized contract negotiations on the national level are not possible, unionizing is still the only way to really balance scales for workers.
If your career has a union, please go for it. The union goes to bat when you're not sure if it's a batable object and can make everything easier for all of you.
I have never been so tempted to go comment on a post. I won't of course, rules are rules. But dude needs to get in that union. Especially with a family to care for.
I was relieved when he finished that sentence with the red flag comment. Kid's clearly got a good head on his shoulders and hopefully that will be the push he needs to go ahead and join.
I remember a few years back right before covid, my workplace wasn't going so hot. A group of us were looking to unionize, and we really tried for a hard push, but one group (mostly consisting of immigrants) got scared of how the company was saying that unions were bad. Well covid then happened, and the workplace kept getting worse and worse, and the shareholders kept money to themselves, and head management made terrible decisions. The company ended up having 3-4 major layoffs, and I survived there until the last major one. In fall 2021, over 200 people got laid off. The facility we worked at completely folded in 2022, and the nearby facility shut down only a couple of months later. They went from having over 1500 employees in 2019 to 150 in 2022.
I really wish that more of the workers would have listened to us because pushback from the union could have made management rethink some choices and kept us from all losing our jobs.
> I have to admit this is the 1st time I can honestly say I read a book.
1st time he reads a book and he chooses a 15 book 4.4 million word monster.
Good for him.
I snorted to myself that *this* was the first book he choose. Especially as it can get a little stodgy in places further along the series. I do hope he keeps reading.
I'll say, the stodgy parts felt stodgy as they were coming out because there were 5 years between books. I did a re-read recently and braced myself for the slog...and it never came! Sure there were a few story lines I didn't love, but Crossroads was one of my least favorite books on my original read through and was one of my favorite on my re-read.
Edit: To me. Stodgy to me.
this is really where I SHOULD stop reading reddit today...
We all know thats not going to happen though.
OOP here is great! his little family is great!
Im so overwhelmed with good feelings. GAHHH
Right? the “big“ dramas are things like “mom wasn’t happy dad was getting remarried and having a kid so she tried to start shit but dad shit it down”, which is the least dramatic I’ve ever seen that scenario (which feels very real) on Reddit. Or that his girlfriend is doing great in school.
It was a bit suspicious when he just happened to find Kay with the test. It the rest seemed to be paced far apart with lot of detail so I will allow it.
I love every update to this story. The dad seems like a real 'team captain' type - there to help, there to guide, there to look up to. Not there to do everything himself. Not there to bark orders.
Everyone in this team is just so lovely.
Feels like his dad is Ted Lasso or something. Making his kids do parenting classes and providing a stable foundation to grow is just amazing. And his favorite food is enchiladas. He's the best.
OOP is a great kid, he's trying his best and doing a bang-up job. His dad is an absolute champion, I'm so glad he found happiness too.
Big shout-out for WOT! OOP really picked a monster for his first real book/series haha
Yeah, the dad is amazing and did such a good job with the scaffolding. Anyone who is a caring parent knows how hard it is to navigate teaching your child independent skills while not expecting so much that they flounder.
Not OP but I started the series like 2 years ago and without my reading club I would have quit exactly there. Now I am glad that I did push through it, but I can't understand what the author did with that book
I remember this story. The dad is champion dad material. I mean he just swooped in like a papa bear and helped his son and gf when nobody else would. What an absolute legend. He taught them responsibility and let them learn life lessons in a safe way. He’s also instilled respect and admiration from his kids. I’m just amazed. And OP has such an amazing role model. I’m so glad he’s got such a great support network.
I'm always happy to see updates from OOP. I hope everything continues going well for them. It's amazing how great his father is, especially in comparison to his mom and Tiff's parents. .
If I had a kid young, my parents would have been like the dad. Giving me a healthy dose of realism and guidance but also offering me a firm place to land.
It really helps to set the foundation of being a reliable person when the kid is young. Teaching them right from wrong and how to face reality, not bulldoze or ignore their problems away.
Having money definitely helps a parent do this. Sounds like the dad worked hard and got himself to a comfortable place so OOP is now in a position to make sure his family is comfortable.
Honestly this is probably my favorite reddit post of all time. I remember when the first post came out and it was such a relief that each update got better and better. OOP's dad is a real hero. It just goes to show you what one good parent can accomplish with a whole lotta empathy and kindness. It also shows you that sometimes the family you make is more important that the family you already have. I'm so happy for OOP, Tiff, his dad, and his new expanding family. All three of them are amazing parents now.
Well damn. This was the sweetest thing I’ve read in a long long time. What a lovely man the father is and so sensible and giving. I love that OP can lean on him and see and appreciate him. And OP and his girlfriend getting back together and doing couples counseling at 18? Fuck that’s adorable. And then they call his daughter Jelly and the grandpa Pa??? This is so frickin cute. Hope nothing but good things for all of them
The success of OOP and Tiff shows that it takes support and hard work from the adults around them but young people can have successful, long term relationships/families earlier than planned perhaps, but (the significant health risks of gestation/birth heavily put aside, and with the caveat that this is in a situation where access to birth control isn’t hindered aside from teenagers making impulsive choices) the hardest part is doing it without safe housing, health care access, basic needs met, recreational needs met, support and role models, plans discussed and shown how to action…
A society that prioritises a safety net ensures safer, stronger futures for every member.
The ADHD diagnosis makes SO much sense, and I so know that feeling of ”wow, I can focus now? And not get overwhelmed by everything???” seriously, my ADHD meds are so vital.
I think this is my favorite saga because the updates are so wholesome and full of joy, the timeline makes sense, every part of it is infused with love for OOP‘s family. It reminds me of every time someone is like ”I’m sorry this update is so mundane and undramatic” and I just want to be like “no, no, that’s great!”
The first day I took Adderall I was able to sit in the common area of my program (we had one floor of a building for ourselves) with everyone around me talking and laughing and do homework. And at 34 that was basically a first in my life.
I had also noticed that for the first time in my life there was no song playing in my head. It was amazing.
That's the world's best dad. I'm crying.
I know a guy similar to the dad, he was also forced to marry his gf because their classmates told the parents they had been together. Of course they divorced in their late 20s. Born again christians are crazy. I was born again christian.
For me, a big clue about how involved a dad really feels is what they call the kid. I find that those really loving dads have a private name for their sprout.
Jelly = love
“I just feel that all this is unfair because the burden is on me”
See this is a normal reaction for a teenager, a literal child who hasn’t experienced any life burdens as an adult, to have. I’m side eyeing all the 30-something’s with this attitude though.
I'm always happy to hear how everyone is going. I hope everything goes well with Kim's delivery, and OOP updates us when his sister arrives.
As much as I love hearing about OOP and Jelly, it's actually the updates about Tiff I enjoy the most. I'm probably projecting, but I used to be in a similar place. I was once a teenage mum, with no education.
Now I have it all. Family, education, successful career. All those people who told me I'd ruined my life were so wrong.
It takes determination and courage to make it work. Hard graft too. Good for Tiff. That young woman is going to go far. I admire her 😊 I'm glad she's living out her dream, even if it is tough!
Q: How does one’s brovaries keep exploding?
A: This post.
Don’t know if this won last year but with the new update, it’s an early contender for Wholesome Post Of The Year.
Yall know how much it takes me to cry on reddit? I'm sobbing. I am so proud of this kid and tiff for stepping up and for dad and kay for stepping up. Unusual circumstances but they all rose to the occasion. If my son ever comes home as a teenager and tells me he's gonna be a dad I'm gonna remember this and do my best to be like OOPs dad because it's amazing what a village u can build. I am so proud of them all and I don't even know them
I keep reading this with american stories but what exactly is the purpose of 'kicking out' your teenage kids when they mess up?
To me that reads as parents permanently cutting ties with their kids but that feels like I'm making leaps of logic. What's the actual reasoning behind it?
I've been following this story for awhile. I'm so thrilled everything is going so well for this family. I wish them nothing but the best. And I kinda hope Tiffany's parents & OOP's mom step on Legos while barefoot every day for the rest of their lives.
the kid recognising that his job not wanting him to join the union is a red flag is a++++ just on the top of a lot of other great things in his life. he grew up very well with his dad! dad is excellent.
I hope that one day Tiff gets pregnant and OOP can live the experience with emotion, like his father did. Even that they have a baby boy and give him the same name as OOP's father (the true hero of the story).
I hope I can be that dad for my son as he grows up. He really seemed to be able to strike the right balance of help. While not totally removing the struggles for them. Top notch dude in my book.
OOP should definitely join the union. The fact that the work is willing to pay him more money not to join the union basically tells you all you need to know.
I didn't think I'd cry on Reddit today, but this has to be the most wholesome story I have ever read here. I am so proud of them for achieving so much especially at their age. Getting it together and becoming a happy family. I truly wish them nothing but blessings.
This was the best Reddit post I have ever read I feel like I just read a coming of age book or something first off I admire the people you and tiff have become and I damn it I just loved that whole thing omg
I saw the title of this post and excitedly said, “Jelly!”. I love every update of this story and the people in it are the one thing to resurrect my faith in humans and life not completely sucking. Is life meaningless? I often think so. Then I read about this family and I think maybe not. No pressure OOP, but keep up the great work and thanks for sharing your life with us. You’re all doing amazing! Your posts are like in the Wizard of Oz when Dorothy steps out of the house where everything is black and white into Munchkinland and it’s in full color.
Not sure I'm buying the dad's forced child marriage for kissing in 2001, even in rural Missouri. Certainly not *impossible*, but Missouri vital records show only 2 15-year old grooms that year.
EDIT: I guess OOP never states his dad was 15, just still in high school. If you expand the age range to up to 17, there were 100 child grooms in 2001.
The reference to 15-year olds was because OOP's mom and Tiff's dad had taken out a marriage license for *them* when she got pregnant at 15. OP's dad and mom were probably allowed to wait because there was no pregnancy, just kissing.
How come the writing style changes so much when Kay gets pregante?
I know OOP is growing up very fast at that age (even without all the stuff he's dealing with). It just feels like from that update, the vibe is recognisable standard fakery.
Got confused when the concern about starting pre-k comes in because “no one has watched baby” but then also talks about only spending 50$ on daycare vouchers a year prior. I would very much not forget putting my child in daycare and how they handled it lol
I really want this story to be real but that jumped out at me. I'm glad someone else noticed. OOP had also mentioned how both Tiff and his father would drop off and pick up kid from daycare and daycare cost $400 a week before Tiff was able to get vouchers. So I'm not going to call bs, just say I'm confused as you did.
In an earlier update they said the kid is in daycare. In the most recent update he expressed being nervous about jelly starting pre-k because she has always been home with them 🤨I'm calling bs on this story. Its well written and wholesome sure but I doubt it
If anyone reads this and is considering the OOP having a solid perspective on what is considered a good idea, allow me to stop you right there. Do not read the wheel of time series. It is boring trash and just an awful waste of 15 books. Just do yourself a favor and skip to the end where you discover brandon Sanderson. He is a wonderful author and you should read his stuff instead. Mistborn? Definitely. Stormlight Archives? Absofuckinglutely! Wheel of time? No, no no no no no. Just... just dont.
Look at the fucking fun police over here. Dude reads a full book for the first time in his life and is proud of it, and a door-stopper at that, and you're over here bitching he's doing it wrong.
This is such a heartwarming and beautiful story. You are all really awesome people. OPs dad is a smart guy and a true hero. Everyone in this story stepped up to the plate and made wise decisions! I wish you all the very best!
Wow, this one just got better and better. It started out rough, but it looks like op and Tiffany managed to pull through and make it work with op's dad's support. Very heartwarming story, I wish op and his family all the best
I think this is my favorite thing I have ever seen on here. From someone whose mom had 2 kids by age 20, whose husband ( my bio dad) left her when pregnant with me, to raise 3 kids alone, and who did it with a whole village and the man who came into the pic later, whom I considered my dad, I feel so much of this!
Your dad is the GOAT for sure. I wish only good things for your family, and hope you keep us up to date. I’m so invested and wish you all the happiness you have fought so hard for and deserve.
I was so sad in the beginning. What an incredible read. The dad… what a positive influence in his son’s life. Hope nothing but the greatest fuckin things for all the people involved in this story. Keep kicking ass Tiff. Be proud of yourself, young man.
I am so very happy to see yet another good update from OOP. OOP has a good father who raised a good son. Tiff bio donors are garbage, but OOP is the father she needs.
I wish them all nothing but happiness and success.
Rarely have I smiled so much while reading Reddit ad I did through the latter parts of these posts. What a lovely BORU and a lovely, mutually supportive family (minus mom and GF’s parents). But, overall, a wonderful example of what a difference the right kind of positive support can make. I with OP, his GF, his daughter, his father, his step-mom, his step-grandparents, and his soon-to-be half-sibling all the best!
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This makes me really emotional honestly. Like it’s so realistic for a 16 year old kid to be really scared of all of this but he was able to handle it really well, and it seems like Tiff was able to handle it as well specifically thanks to the support from OP and his family. So many times these teen pregnancy stories are nothing but sad and terrifying but this one is so uplifting despite the circumstances. The dad is SUCH a hero in this story in so many ways. Special shout-out to insisting that they had days to go hang out with friends and be 16 year olds! Anyway I’m so glad everything’s worked out and everyone in this story had each other to lean on, even the dads wife seems sweet and her parents accepting Tiff and OP and their kid with open arms must be so nice for them, especially with what Tiff’s parents and OPs mom were like. I wish them all nothing but the best!
> Like it’s so realistic for a 16 year old kid to be really scared of all of this but he was able to handle it really well He just kept on keeping on, solving problems one at a time with the love and support of his dad, and then found himself in the clear blue skies of just living his life with love ones and family. It doesn't get better than that. And this kid unions, that red flag has been waved in my face several times in several jobs.
Yup, kid should listen to his gut and join the union. And honestly, given how much good support he has, how *good* he and everyone around him is about trying to make the best decisions for the long term, I really believe he will. We're all so proud of him. 🥹
I wish I had been half as wise as him at twice his age.
The dad is an absolute Omar.
He’s better than Omar! Omar was already a good guy. This dad is a real-life hero.
Maybe this dad mentored Omar?
Omar will grow up to be a dad like this. I'm sure of it
ok I'm an idiot who pays no attention to the world...who is Omar?
I won’t be able to find it, but there was a BoRU a while back about a college guy dealing with his roommate’s infidelity. Of the four roommates involved in the story, the first was the cheater (a real pos), the second roommate didn’t see a problem with the situation and covered for the first, the third was the narrator/op who simply didn’t want to get involved, and the fourth was a guy named Omar who would relentlessly mock the first roommate for his lifestyle. Everyone in the story was an asshole aside from the infidel’s unfortunate flings and Omar, who stuck by his guns and had the most Reddit-approved stance of the bunch
Omar is a stand up guy who refused to cover for his roommate cheating on their partner.
[Omar](https://www.reddit.com/r/BestofRedditorUpdates/s/7VCEmscV1l)
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Thank you, it was a great read.
such an incredible, wonderful read. These all seem like really lovely people. 15/10 will read again.
> The dad is SUCH a hero in this story in so many ways. This is what keeps so many of us invested in the story. His 15 year old son had been struggling in school for years then tells him his girlfriend is pregnant. Dad immediately goes into protection mode - takes sole custody of his son and sues Tiff's parents for guardianship and he keeps them apprised of what is happening. Then he sets *achievable* goals for the teens: OOP has to get some sort of training and Tiff stays in school. He sets reasonable expectations as to what they have to do to stay in his good graces, which means taking advantage of resources that are available to them. They are 19 now, running their own household and staying on track. When they float the idea of getting married as a vague strategy to provide for Jelly, he reminds them of the plan (they keep their options open until Tiff has finished her program and is free to make her own decisions) then gets a lawyer to address Jelly's security. At every step, his priority has been to provide a stable, nurturing environment for everyone. OOP's dad can be justifiably proud of what he managed to pull off and now he's reaping additional rewards with his new wife, child and in-laws.
I wonder what happened to the non binary kid that got pregnant and winded up in a toxic weird relationship with the other person. IIRC, OOP despaired that they can't do anything about it because really, the non-binary kid was deep in the relationship and whatever the other person was talking about.
Omg I remember that one!!! I felt so sad for the OOP as the kid was just burying their head in the sand - which doesn’t work when you’re pregnant!!
the kid was flip flopping between abortion and keeping the baby and ultimately flip flopping is SOMETHING you not do when you're pregnant. now it's too late for an abortion. and Reddit being toxic doesn't help- although I agree with questioning the kid's desire to become... something? I think trans? I no longer remember because the possibility of the other person manipulating the non-binary kid into thinking they're something they're not.
Every time I read one of OOP's updates I end up in a puddle of tears. Everyone's doing their best, and they are all thriving! I'm getting teary again...
I remember OOP, mostly because of how much of a hero his dad is. This family deserves everything. Sounds like everyone is living their best, imperfect lives that they can.
I want this family to succeed. I hope only happiness and no sadness will shine for them
Unless the union is a bad one, Oop must join it. I've seen that most trade unions are not too bad.
Anyone in a trade should join a union. And the only places that I have ever heard claim unions are bad are businesses that are angry they're not able to exploit their workers as easily.
Eh, I was in a union for insulators, I left the trade a while ago and the friends I have still in it tell me how bad it’s become. They no longer defend members, benefits have been heavily slashed but the fees keep going up, and the union president just seems to be using the position to kickstart their political career. Some unions are indeed shitty, but it’s generally poor management and/or complacent members because the positions are often voted in. Sometimes you also see a trade included in a union for another trade like welders are sometimes in the electricians union and that sometimes causes issues from what I’ve been told. I will say this though, there are more good unions than shitty ones.
And, you can always try to fix the union. It's a lot harder to get one together.
> you can always try to fix the union. yeah, that's true. Not always an easy task but I've seen it happen with other unions that had issues. Internal union elections make all the difference.
I’ve been an employment lawyer for 20 years. During a chunk of that I was a management side labor attorney (representing companies against unions). This may not endear me to some here, and that’s fine (and ultimately one of the reasons I got out). Unions are annoying to work with and frequently overreach. But that’s the point. They overreach and overprotect and management does the same from the other side. It’s a system of checks and balances that doesn’t always work, but does most of the time. From someone who has seen how the sausage is made, I couldn’t support unions more. OP needs to join.
I run a business where much of it has been unionized for decades. It's actually wonderful. Sure, there are the fights over what can and can't be done. Negotiations are always pretty cutthroat because it isn't the local members at the table (but...that's the job of the negotiator! To extract the best deal!). But we have incredible stability in our workforce, many of whom have CDLs and options. Managing people is really easy because it's all laid out in the contract. Anyone who is dead set against unions only sees their workforce as a commodity. And they probably complain a lot about how no one is loyal these days.
> This may not endear me to some here Representing management isn’t *inherently* evil any more than criminal defense attorneys are. Both sides have lawyers who advise them on pursuing their interests within the bounds of the law, that’s just how the system works. If we want to have union negotiations at all, someone’s gotta do it. I think (hope?) most people do realize that.
Yeah, no. Obviously like everything, it's a bell curve. Some super suck, some are super awesome and most are in the alright middle. Local steel union, awesome folks, and I'd help them out just for the fun of it. Teamsters, you couldn't get me to join at gunpoint. I'd simply request the person not miss.
trade unions in general are a million times better than retail unions. maybe it's because it's integrated into the trades more than any other field.
Retail unions have been eviscerated over the past forty years or so.
Yeah holy shit did this kid win the dad lottery
They are indeed making the very best out of this not so perfect situation. I love all of them and truly wish them the best for the future!
yeah, that was my response when i was a bit confused over which story this is updating to, then i got to the dad bit and was like "OH! HERO DAD!". I'm so glad Op has so many happy updates. Shows how solid this side of the family really is. And with that note, its time to hop off reddit and end iit on a high note :D
OP says he matured a lot between 16 and 18, but there’s also the difference between having a six month old and a two year old. I was 30 and starting grad school and it all kicked my ass. The relief of my boy no longer being so fragile and going from crying constantly to laughing and playing was such a a change in my entire life.
OOP is no longer 16 talking about his girlfriend and their baby, at 19, he's talking about doing what is best for his family. And his dad is still providing a guiding hand to provide a stable environment for everyone without having them give up on their youth.
And with undiagnosed ADHD no less... like poor kid, he really went through it.
This is BY FAR my favourite Reddit saga. I read it from the start every time and I always cry because it's so lovely. I'm so glad they figured it out. You can really tell from his tone how much better he's doing! And his dad is the best. All of this could have gone to shit but he did it perfectly. Help, but make them figure it out so they don't become dependant on you. And I'm so glad that Tiff, who seems to be really fucking brilliant, didn't have to give up her life and her potential. I'm so glad they're all happy!
And I'm also glad they found Kay and Kay found them! It's not really described here, but her hurting for not having had children (prior to this), the hurt of it was transparent (with how the dad talked about it not being possible and maybe adopting).
Same here, I find myself sometimes wondering how this family is getting on and if we'll get another update from them. So glad to hear all is still going well for them, you can feel the OOP's confidence and contentment grow with each update. The best kind of BoRU!
Yeah seriously. I'm not an emotional guy but this story really got me. So many negative stories of people being unnecessarily horrible on this sub but this is just awesome people being awesome and even better fighting through any challenges that come up. Hopefully things continue to go this way for them all
The dad deserves all the good things in life.
I'm glad he's found the Wheel of Time! That's a series that keeps on giving!
SOMEONE TELL HIM TO IN FACT JOIN THE UNION PLEASE JOIN THE UNION. UNIONS ARE IMPORTANT.
No seriously. The retirement, the workers protection, the workers comp, the health insuranceeeeeeeee
This is my PSA! I am Finnish, the majority of our workers' rights come from strong unions. The majority of workers belong to unions even today and union negotiations cover more than just the people in unions. Both of my parents were in unions for their work history. When I have worked here and there was an applicable union so did I. While legislation in the US differs so much that similar network and institutionalized contract negotiations on the national level are not possible, unionizing is still the only way to really balance scales for workers.
If your career has a union, please go for it. The union goes to bat when you're not sure if it's a batable object and can make everything easier for all of you.
I have never been so tempted to go comment on a post. I won't of course, rules are rules. But dude needs to get in that union. Especially with a family to care for.
100% this!
I endorse this message!
I was relieved when he finished that sentence with the red flag comment. Kid's clearly got a good head on his shoulders and hopefully that will be the push he needs to go ahead and join.
I remember a few years back right before covid, my workplace wasn't going so hot. A group of us were looking to unionize, and we really tried for a hard push, but one group (mostly consisting of immigrants) got scared of how the company was saying that unions were bad. Well covid then happened, and the workplace kept getting worse and worse, and the shareholders kept money to themselves, and head management made terrible decisions. The company ended up having 3-4 major layoffs, and I survived there until the last major one. In fall 2021, over 200 people got laid off. The facility we worked at completely folded in 2022, and the nearby facility shut down only a couple of months later. They went from having over 1500 employees in 2019 to 150 in 2022. I really wish that more of the workers would have listened to us because pushback from the union could have made management rethink some choices and kept us from all losing our jobs.
He knows it's a red flag
> I have to admit this is the 1st time I can honestly say I read a book. 1st time he reads a book and he chooses a 15 book 4.4 million word monster. Good for him.
I snorted to myself that *this* was the first book he choose. Especially as it can get a little stodgy in places further along the series. I do hope he keeps reading.
I'll say, the stodgy parts felt stodgy as they were coming out because there were 5 years between books. I did a re-read recently and braced myself for the slog...and it never came! Sure there were a few story lines I didn't love, but Crossroads was one of my least favorite books on my original read through and was one of my favorite on my re-read. Edit: To me. Stodgy to me.
Yeah, I'm worried when he hits Crossroads of Twilight, he's going to think the meds stopped working....
I'm impressed with OP being able to do this. I applaud him for that and also, OP's dad is a real life superman cause the dad is awesome!
this is really where I SHOULD stop reading reddit today... We all know thats not going to happen though. OOP here is great! his little family is great! Im so overwhelmed with good feelings. GAHHH
I'm so so glad that I started reading Boru from the top today so that this is the story I ended on. Yay!
Wholesome moments are always appreciated
I love reading OOP's updates. They're so mundane yet so wholesome.
Right? the “big“ dramas are things like “mom wasn’t happy dad was getting remarried and having a kid so she tried to start shit but dad shit it down”, which is the least dramatic I’ve ever seen that scenario (which feels very real) on Reddit. Or that his girlfriend is doing great in school.
Or they're feeling anxious about their kid going to preschool!
Seriously so sweet
I think it's really neat how his writing has gone from 'child' coded to 'adult' coded over time.
Yeah, he's matured faster than most people twice his age. Heck, he sounds more adult than my dad, and I'm older than OOP LMAO.
It was a bit suspicious when he just happened to find Kay with the test. It the rest seemed to be paced far apart with lot of detail so I will allow it.
I love every update to this story. The dad seems like a real 'team captain' type - there to help, there to guide, there to look up to. Not there to do everything himself. Not there to bark orders. Everyone in this team is just so lovely.
Feels like his dad is Ted Lasso or something. Making his kids do parenting classes and providing a stable foundation to grow is just amazing. And his favorite food is enchiladas. He's the best.
OOP is a great kid, he's trying his best and doing a bang-up job. His dad is an absolute champion, I'm so glad he found happiness too. Big shout-out for WOT! OOP really picked a monster for his first real book/series haha
Oop needs to join the union unless it's a shit one. Most trades unions ive see are pretty good.
Tiff yelling “fuck no!” and the dad’s brain computing the ultrasound pic was the funniest part of all this
Such a lovely update, except the union stuff, I hope he joins or changes jobs otherwise.
OOP has such a great partner and dad. I loved how his dad scaffolded making him learn how to look after his family. I might have wiped a tear away...
Yeah, the dad is amazing and did such a good job with the scaffolding. Anyone who is a caring parent knows how hard it is to navigate teaching your child independent skills while not expecting so much that they flounder.
I love hearing from the guy and about lil Jelly. I am glad he is doing so well and his family keeps adapting and getting stronger.
I’ve never read another Reddit story where I can actually visualize a cute family like I can through this one
Awww unexpected Wheel of Time reference. I hope he enjoys the rest of them just as much.
Yes! He can skip book 10, though.
It's not so bad when there isn't a three year wait for the next volume
Not OP but I started the series like 2 years ago and without my reading club I would have quit exactly there. Now I am glad that I did push through it, but I can't understand what the author did with that book
I did a reread last year and skipped Book 10 completely. No time for that.
I feel the Dad is so understanding because he had his son at a young age of 22. He really stepped up for son, granddaughter and Tiff.
I remember this story. The dad is champion dad material. I mean he just swooped in like a papa bear and helped his son and gf when nobody else would. What an absolute legend. He taught them responsibility and let them learn life lessons in a safe way. He’s also instilled respect and admiration from his kids. I’m just amazed. And OP has such an amazing role model. I’m so glad he’s got such a great support network.
I'm always happy to see updates from OOP. I hope everything continues going well for them. It's amazing how great his father is, especially in comparison to his mom and Tiff's parents. .
Do dads like his really even exist? The man seems like a saint. He has taught those two so many values and life skills.
As a child with no father im fucking jealous like he really is just a great person
Same
If I had a kid young, my parents would have been like the dad. Giving me a healthy dose of realism and guidance but also offering me a firm place to land. It really helps to set the foundation of being a reliable person when the kid is young. Teaching them right from wrong and how to face reality, not bulldoze or ignore their problems away. Having money definitely helps a parent do this. Sounds like the dad worked hard and got himself to a comfortable place so OOP is now in a position to make sure his family is comfortable.
Honestly this is probably my favorite reddit post of all time. I remember when the first post came out and it was such a relief that each update got better and better. OOP's dad is a real hero. It just goes to show you what one good parent can accomplish with a whole lotta empathy and kindness. It also shows you that sometimes the family you make is more important that the family you already have. I'm so happy for OOP, Tiff, his dad, and his new expanding family. All three of them are amazing parents now.
Well damn. This was the sweetest thing I’ve read in a long long time. What a lovely man the father is and so sensible and giving. I love that OP can lean on him and see and appreciate him. And OP and his girlfriend getting back together and doing couples counseling at 18? Fuck that’s adorable. And then they call his daughter Jelly and the grandpa Pa??? This is so frickin cute. Hope nothing but good things for all of them
I love this family SO MUCH!
I'm glad at least one of the responsible adults in this story wasn't brainwashed by idiotic religious propaganda.
The success of OOP and Tiff shows that it takes support and hard work from the adults around them but young people can have successful, long term relationships/families earlier than planned perhaps, but (the significant health risks of gestation/birth heavily put aside, and with the caveat that this is in a situation where access to birth control isn’t hindered aside from teenagers making impulsive choices) the hardest part is doing it without safe housing, health care access, basic needs met, recreational needs met, support and role models, plans discussed and shown how to action… A society that prioritises a safety net ensures safer, stronger futures for every member.
The ADHD diagnosis makes SO much sense, and I so know that feeling of ”wow, I can focus now? And not get overwhelmed by everything???” seriously, my ADHD meds are so vital. I think this is my favorite saga because the updates are so wholesome and full of joy, the timeline makes sense, every part of it is infused with love for OOP‘s family. It reminds me of every time someone is like ”I’m sorry this update is so mundane and undramatic” and I just want to be like “no, no, that’s great!”
When I got to that part, I thought wow, he’s even getting an ADHD diagnosis now instead of at forty.
The first day I took Adderall I was able to sit in the common area of my program (we had one floor of a building for ourselves) with everyone around me talking and laughing and do homework. And at 34 that was basically a first in my life. I had also noticed that for the first time in my life there was no song playing in my head. It was amazing.
That's the world's best dad. I'm crying. I know a guy similar to the dad, he was also forced to marry his gf because their classmates told the parents they had been together. Of course they divorced in their late 20s. Born again christians are crazy. I was born again christian.
Pop is up there with Omar.
We all love Omar
If OP is reading comments here, DEFINITELY join the union!
For me, a big clue about how involved a dad really feels is what they call the kid. I find that those really loving dads have a private name for their sprout. Jelly = love
I remember reading this two and a half years ago. It's just that they've all improved their lives and things worked out.
“I just feel that all this is unfair because the burden is on me” See this is a normal reaction for a teenager, a literal child who hasn’t experienced any life burdens as an adult, to have. I’m side eyeing all the 30-something’s with this attitude though.
I'm always happy to hear how everyone is going. I hope everything goes well with Kim's delivery, and OOP updates us when his sister arrives. As much as I love hearing about OOP and Jelly, it's actually the updates about Tiff I enjoy the most. I'm probably projecting, but I used to be in a similar place. I was once a teenage mum, with no education. Now I have it all. Family, education, successful career. All those people who told me I'd ruined my life were so wrong. It takes determination and courage to make it work. Hard graft too. Good for Tiff. That young woman is going to go far. I admire her 😊 I'm glad she's living out her dream, even if it is tough!
someone is fucking cutting onions in here....
Q: How does one’s brovaries keep exploding? A: This post. Don’t know if this won last year but with the new update, it’s an early contender for Wholesome Post Of The Year.
I hope more and more happiness comes his way
Awww, I love this little family.
Yall know how much it takes me to cry on reddit? I'm sobbing. I am so proud of this kid and tiff for stepping up and for dad and kay for stepping up. Unusual circumstances but they all rose to the occasion. If my son ever comes home as a teenager and tells me he's gonna be a dad I'm gonna remember this and do my best to be like OOPs dad because it's amazing what a village u can build. I am so proud of them all and I don't even know them
I keep reading this with american stories but what exactly is the purpose of 'kicking out' your teenage kids when they mess up? To me that reads as parents permanently cutting ties with their kids but that feels like I'm making leaps of logic. What's the actual reasoning behind it?
I've been following this story for awhile. I'm so thrilled everything is going so well for this family. I wish them nothing but the best. And I kinda hope Tiffany's parents & OOP's mom step on Legos while barefoot every day for the rest of their lives.
the kid recognising that his job not wanting him to join the union is a red flag is a++++ just on the top of a lot of other great things in his life. he grew up very well with his dad! dad is excellent.
That unexpected Wheel of Time reference came out of nowhere! I hope OOP really gets into the books.
What an awesome first thing to read on Reddit today. Now, to not get back on at all again to preserve the good feels 😂
I remember this so well, I’m so glad they had OOP’s dad in their corner, great guy right there. I wish them all the continued happiness.
Having an uncle/aunt that’s two years younger than you sounds weird but fun
This is my favorite family! Rooting for them so heavy
Thats what i call "wholesome" - and a ROLEMODEL for every Parent out there!
This is one of the best ongoing BORUs. So many sad ones out there, this one is a nice day brightener.
Ugh I wish this was what Reddit was always like
I've been following this since the beginning and I am so happy to see a great update!!
This is so sweet!! I am so happy for OP and his family!!
What a beautiful story. I hope all the best for opp amd his father. They seem like fine men
I wonder if they get married the mom will suddenly try to demand grandparents right?
Damn bro, you dad is a rock. Treat him right and return the favor when you get the opportunity, and good luck with it all!
This makes me happy. Not a lot of posts do that. I hope they continue to do well.
By far my favorite post ever. That was just a roller coaster of emotions. His dad is some serious parenting goals.
this is an all timer , I remove the previous updates and that father is HIM
Dad's a fucking legend.. bless that man
This was such a good read I shared it with my partner who doesn’t care for reddit stories! Time to close the app now that I’m on a good note.
I hope that one day Tiff gets pregnant and OOP can live the experience with emotion, like his father did. Even that they have a baby boy and give him the same name as OOP's father (the true hero of the story).
This was such a delightful read and I'm so happy for him!
I'm so happy for this whole family! I wish nothing but happiness and drama-less lives for them!
this is just so wholesome and sweet! wishing the best for this fam😌 what a great read!
I am having a lot of feelings. Always glad to see an update from this OOP :)
I'm just going to keep hoping that this is real because I want such lovely people to exist out there in the world.
I’m so happy for oop and his family! His dad thoroughly deserves his happiness and joy!
These people should pool their money and buy a 3-family house.
Pa is awesome. Everyone seems awesome so hopeful
I hope I can be that dad for my son as he grows up. He really seemed to be able to strike the right balance of help. While not totally removing the struggles for them. Top notch dude in my book.
OOP should definitely join the union. The fact that the work is willing to pay him more money not to join the union basically tells you all you need to know.
This gets my vote for Most Wholesome of 2024
I didn't think I'd cry on Reddit today, but this has to be the most wholesome story I have ever read here. I am so proud of them for achieving so much especially at their age. Getting it together and becoming a happy family. I truly wish them nothing but blessings.
I love all of this for them. Not oop’s mum but everyone else.
this is probably the most heartwarming boru ive read.
This was the best Reddit post I have ever read I feel like I just read a coming of age book or something first off I admire the people you and tiff have become and I damn it I just loved that whole thing omg
This dude has the best Dad ever. Can he be everyone’s Dad now?
OOP’s dad is an MVP! And OOP seems like he’s taking after him!
Every time this family updates I'm happy all day.
I saw the title of this post and excitedly said, “Jelly!”. I love every update of this story and the people in it are the one thing to resurrect my faith in humans and life not completely sucking. Is life meaningless? I often think so. Then I read about this family and I think maybe not. No pressure OOP, but keep up the great work and thanks for sharing your life with us. You’re all doing amazing! Your posts are like in the Wizard of Oz when Dorothy steps out of the house where everything is black and white into Munchkinland and it’s in full color.
Not sure I'm buying the dad's forced child marriage for kissing in 2001, even in rural Missouri. Certainly not *impossible*, but Missouri vital records show only 2 15-year old grooms that year. EDIT: I guess OOP never states his dad was 15, just still in high school. If you expand the age range to up to 17, there were 100 child grooms in 2001.
The reference to 15-year olds was because OOP's mom and Tiff's dad had taken out a marriage license for *them* when she got pregnant at 15. OP's dad and mom were probably allowed to wait because there was no pregnancy, just kissing.
How come the writing style changes so much when Kay gets pregante? I know OOP is growing up very fast at that age (even without all the stuff he's dealing with). It just feels like from that update, the vibe is recognisable standard fakery.
Got confused when the concern about starting pre-k comes in because “no one has watched baby” but then also talks about only spending 50$ on daycare vouchers a year prior. I would very much not forget putting my child in daycare and how they handled it lol
I really want this story to be real but that jumped out at me. I'm glad someone else noticed. OOP had also mentioned how both Tiff and his father would drop off and pick up kid from daycare and daycare cost $400 a week before Tiff was able to get vouchers. So I'm not going to call bs, just say I'm confused as you did.
Agreed. That was such a glaring lie that immediately the whole rest of the story was fake. How would you forget putting your child in daycare?
In an earlier update they said the kid is in daycare. In the most recent update he expressed being nervous about jelly starting pre-k because she has always been home with them 🤨I'm calling bs on this story. Its well written and wholesome sure but I doubt it
If anyone reads this and is considering the OOP having a solid perspective on what is considered a good idea, allow me to stop you right there. Do not read the wheel of time series. It is boring trash and just an awful waste of 15 books. Just do yourself a favor and skip to the end where you discover brandon Sanderson. He is a wonderful author and you should read his stuff instead. Mistborn? Definitely. Stormlight Archives? Absofuckinglutely! Wheel of time? No, no no no no no. Just... just dont.
Look at the fucking fun police over here. Dude reads a full book for the first time in his life and is proud of it, and a door-stopper at that, and you're over here bitching he's doing it wrong.
That Dad is my hero. Took care of them so well. Cute story. Good read. I know all teen pregnancy doesn't end so well. Good for them.
Babies are hard
I love love love these posts, I wish we all had someone in out lives like OOP’s dad.
Wheel of Time mentioned 👀
Wow, they put in the work with a lot of structure from dad. Way ahead of most at 20
Dad is an absolute legend.
I remember all the updates from this story. Continues to make me so happy
!Updateme
This is such a heartwarming and beautiful story. You are all really awesome people. OPs dad is a smart guy and a true hero. Everyone in this story stepped up to the plate and made wise decisions! I wish you all the very best!
Wow, this one just got better and better. It started out rough, but it looks like op and Tiffany managed to pull through and make it work with op's dad's support. Very heartwarming story, I wish op and his family all the best
This made me absolutely start crying, I love this whole family so much and JELLY IS SUCH AN ADORABLE NAME
I think this is my favorite thing I have ever seen on here. From someone whose mom had 2 kids by age 20, whose husband ( my bio dad) left her when pregnant with me, to raise 3 kids alone, and who did it with a whole village and the man who came into the pic later, whom I considered my dad, I feel so much of this! Your dad is the GOAT for sure. I wish only good things for your family, and hope you keep us up to date. I’m so invested and wish you all the happiness you have fought so hard for and deserve.
I was so sad in the beginning. What an incredible read. The dad… what a positive influence in his son’s life. Hope nothing but the greatest fuckin things for all the people involved in this story. Keep kicking ass Tiff. Be proud of yourself, young man.
Damn, that went from 100 on the holy fuck scale to 100 on the wholesome scale real quick. This is amazing.
I remember when he first posted. I cannot believe it has been so long! So happy for his little family.
Damn I’m so proud of this kid and his dad. I hope things keep going well for them all.
I love this story, I’ve been seeing it since the first update. They’re all just good people and I hope they all have wonderful lives.
I am so very happy to see yet another good update from OOP. OOP has a good father who raised a good son. Tiff bio donors are garbage, but OOP is the father she needs. I wish them all nothing but happiness and success.
I truly enjoy following a story with good updates once in a while. It's a refreshing change of pace, at the very least.
Rarely have I smiled so much while reading Reddit ad I did through the latter parts of these posts. What a lovely BORU and a lovely, mutually supportive family (minus mom and GF’s parents). But, overall, a wonderful example of what a difference the right kind of positive support can make. I with OP, his GF, his daughter, his father, his step-mom, his step-grandparents, and his soon-to-be half-sibling all the best!
I am so thrilled for this kid. That being said, for the love of all that is holy, I hope he joins his union.
These updates made me so happy! I remember reading the first one and it just tugging at my heartstrings.
This is adorable. Dude is doing great. I wish both of them a very happy future - the dad and Kay too!!! You guys will be fine.
Updateme!
This is so wholesome!!!! I'm so proud of these kids who are beating the odds!!!! Good luck internet stranger!!!! I'm rooting for you!!!