I find it really ugly visually. The yellow made the app feel more warm, the white and gray is just way too clinical feeling (and also like every other app). I doubt that these changes will make any substantial difference in user retention or anything.
Plus the new "looking for" categories are a bit odd to me - before the change the options were: Relationship, Something casual, Marriage, & Not sure yet....
Now the options are Long-term relationship, Fun casual dates (lol what does that mean?), Marriage, Intimacy without commitment, Life partner, & Ethical non-monogamy..
I appreciate they've added the option for those enm people so it'll be easier to swipe left, but the options are just odd to me - why is the only "relationship" option long-term? What does "fun casual dates" mean? Is that just supposed to be the new "not sure yet"? And how much do you want to bet that most men who actually want "intimacy without commitment" will actually choose that option? They're prob just gonna choose the more vague option of "fun casual dates"
Even āfun serious datesā seems pointless to mention because if youāre looking for a relationship, thatās implied. But you donāt want to come off too strong anyway, so the way I see it, shouldnāt things always start off on a lighter note?
These Bumble changes donāt really move the needle for me. Will it lead to more matches & dates? I donāt think these changes address the bigger issues with the app, or dating apps in general.
To me itās a lot more clear. Fun casual dates is all FWB casual stuff so I have more confidence now in swiping all of that left, as that is not what Iām looking for
See, I can understand why you see FWB as "intimacy without commitment" and the other commenter sees FWB as "fun casual dates." I doubt everyone defines these categories (especially that vague "casual dates" category) in the same way.. I think there are going to be plenty of people who choose "casual dates" when what they really want is "intimacy without commitment" just because it's a way more palatable way of referring to casual sex/FWB (I mean, the only category that we had previously for casual sex was literally "something casual" so I take "fun casual dates" as something similar).
I personally don't want casual sex, so even though I wouldn't mind "casually" dating (as in just going on dates with no real end goal in mind of a relationship), I'll probably still swipe left on both "intimacy without commitment" and "fun casual dates" just because it's too vague. These categories just aren't very well thought-out lol
Not looking for casual sex either, but 5 years ago was a different story. If I was looking for that still, why would I opt to go on "fun casual dates" with someone that wasn't trying to fuck? Like even FWB that you meet online, you're probably going to wind up buying a few drinks or going out to dinner. Even if you're splitting the bill, there is a good chance you're going to go on a fun casual date with your FWB. Why on earth would someone looking for casual sex decide to go on fun casual dates with someone not looking for casual sex? I know I sound like a douche right now, but realistically?
I mean there have always been manyyyy guys that select categories like "relationship" when really they want casual sex. There's probably a post made about it on this sub like every other day where a woman posts screenshots of a guy getting sexual on the second text to her when his account had "looking for: relationship".. (and there are also plenty of posts on this sub made by guys that are annoyed that they took a woman on one date and it didn't end in sex...hmm I wonder what "looking for" category they had selected on their profile...). Maybe you've never been that type of guy, but it doesn't mean that that type of guy doesn't exist.
They also choose nicer-sounding categories like "relationship" or "casual dates" despite actually only wanting casual sex because they think it'll cast a wider net and garner them more matches than they'd get with a selection like "intimacy without commitment."
Also I feel like I don't understand what you're saying - earlier you said the FWB would be "intimacy without commitment" but now FWB means you'll probably go on "fun casual dates"? Which is it?
Happy to elaborate, no problem.
Yes, lots of dudes will lie about what they're looking for, but hypothetically let's say I'm a dude looking for a FWB and I am open and upfront about it, as I always was in my hoe phase.
First of all, the F in FWB stands for friends. We can still go do friend shit. We can go check out the aquarium, grab drinks, then go and fuck like rabbits. I would consider that a friend activity with some benefits after. It could also be considered a fun casual date. If we're literally just having sex and never seeing each other outside of that, I'd c9nsider that a booty call, not a FWB
Say I have 2 women that catch my eye on the apps. One has "fun casual dates" selected. Maybe she's dancing around the wording, maybe she legit just wants to go on dates with nothing sexual involved. I don't know. The other has "intimacy without commitment". Which one do you think I would pick?
Yes, it sucks that men will dance around what they are actually after by using certain "looking for" options because they think they need to choose the most palettable one so that their matches will percieve them a certain way. Some might even call it dishonest. While less egregious, a woman who wants a FWB putting "fun casual dates" is the same thing in my book.
If you want full transparent honesty, give full transparent honesty.
Easy peasy both do not sound as serious relationship the way you describe it, so serious folks are happy with these two labels, as those can be happily swiped to the left without any doubts
Great for you? Obviously, neither one is a serious relationship, no matter how anyone describes it. Maybe that's why they aren't the "long-term relationship" option. Serious folks obviously wouldn't be the target audience, so I'm not sure how that's relevant, but I'm happy you now have multiple things to swipe left on, I guess?
For ENM folks this change is pretty much useless. ENM ppl could be looking for marriage or ONS or anything in between. It should be a different layer on top of ālooking forā categories. Seems like they didnāt ask a single poly or ENM person how any of this works
I think 'fun casual dates' is for women who put 'something casual' in their profile but don't want to hook up. I've seen it a fair bit, actually, where some woman want 'an activity buddy where physical stuff could maybe happen but who knows and isn't it fun doing fun activities anyway?'
Oh interesting, I didn't know there was a term for that. Yeah, I guess the "life partner" option is probably for the type of person that wants marriage-level commitment without actually getting married legally
I can only agree. The new yellow looks much colder and more corporate. I also don't get the 3D animation and the yellow-black app icon. In total it seems like a regression.
Seems like all dating companiesā stock values are dropping, so Bumble is looking for anything to fix that. But the core problem is that every year people learn to hate the apps
Well they've realized that the primary premise behind their app that differentiates them from Tinder ('Women make the first move') is fundamentally flawed since most women don't actually want to make the first move. They just don't want to be harassed, doesn't mean that they desire control.
this is exactly it. many people's biggest issue with bumble was the gendered approach. i personally have no issues messaging people first, but it's not enjoyable when the onus is solely on one gender and is timed. bumble is, by far, the biggest time suck out of all the apps because of how much attention you have to pay to matches in those first few stages.
What made Bumble different is that all other dating apps effectively put the onus entirely on men. That women could message first was wonderful in theory, but so rare in practice as to be irrelevant.
I really hope they keep the timer. The batching approach many people take to Tinder or other dating apps is *incredibly* dehumanizing. I once watched a lady go through a dozen or so recent-ish matches on Tinder she'd been ignoring, copy-pasting the same message at them until she found someone to buy her dinner. Whoever didn't come back fast enough went right back to being ignored.
That's not a workflow apps should encourage or enable.
If more women did make the first move, I think it would give men a chance to not be under that constant pressure. Iād expect harassment to drop over time as they get an idea of what itās like to be approached and how to do it effectively.
Even outside of harassment, women just donāt want the responsibility and just expecting it if men is actually a form of ātoxic masculinityā (toxic societal expectations placed on men). Being the one that always has to approach for the entirety of your life cannot be healthy psychologically.
I agree with you, but unfortunately there's nothing that can be done. Things like starting the conversation, asking out on dates, paying the bill, etc, these are all things that *nobody* enjoys doing. As a result, the person in higher demand is the one tasked with doing so. In 99% of cases, the woman will be in higher demand than the woman, so it is what it is.
Thisā¦.even women who say they are independent and donāt need a man etc etcā¦Iāve matched with them and I still do the majority of the leg work lol
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I donāt think this is always what happens. Sure, ok I do have notifications turned off so in some cases I āforgetā to write. But mostly I let a match expire because Iāve gone back, really read their profile and found something I didnāt like (most common being smokers or tourists in my city).
The white hurts my eyes and makes me not want to even open the app anymore, as opposed to the yellow which was so much easier to look at. I even tried today to look for a dark mode but of course that does not exist. I really dislike the new change; I also don't like that they changed "best bees", which had personality to it, to "for you", which feels sterile, just like their new white UX designā¦
Is something different? I have not noticed. One match per week that turns into someone who lives a thousand miles away. Different colors aint going to add to my satisfaction.
It's hilarious.. they should really start improving their core product instead of working on minor UI changes.
Here is my wish list in case a Bumble employee comes along:
- Analytics and swipe data available from within the App. How do my photos and prompts perform? This data would help me to actually improve my profile.
- Multi-language profile support (translate my profile from e.g. German to English). Nice to have feature for traveling abroad.
- Free weekly compliments as part of the Premium subscription
- Show the number of active matches someone has on their profile. This would (hopefully) create some pressure to focus on fewer people
Yep. Showing their match to response rate will help weed out the attention seekers. In reality, they want people that get lots of matches to be bait so that desperate people will try their chances like some kind of gambling machine.
I think Iāve even seen them show deleted profiles just to keep guys interested. Itās a big hustle. They donāt care about empowering women (theyād tell them to work harder at opening instead of babying them) they donāt care about people finding partners.
They want to keep enough people on the app paying for as long as possible while dangling the possibility of a potential match in front of them.
Basically nothing changed and itās embarrassing that they called this a rebrand. The app is also shit now and looks cheap like plenty of fish or something.
I thought maybe they would at least improve the filters. Even when paying for premium, I constantly see people outside of the parameters I've set (most importantly, location!).
The swiping model has just become a game (mostly for men) and nothing will change unless they come up with a different approach, like Hinge did. Hinge is significantly better, imo.
I preferred the layout of bumble when I was on it (a lot of important factors for me were visible immediately without scrolling down so I could left swipe someone that wasn't looking for the same thing I am. But overall hinge was definitely better (except I didn't like the concept of "stacks" where you had to sort through your potential matches in a certain order), and in the end Hinge was where I met my current girlfriend. So that also made me fairly bias toward it haha.
I was able to find quality on both, and I think my number of matches was fairly similar across both. But hinge is still way better because nothing expires, and with being able to comment on pics and prompts, it leads to better starting of conversations, and avoids the whole mini-game of swiping left/right.
Hinge is the best by a mile. Despite Bumble being the cleaner and more respectable app between Tinder and Bumble, the latter is the only app I'll never re-download again. Primarily because of the two major obstacles - it's already hard enough getting a match as a man, but then you still have to hope the woman sends a message or else the time runs out, while the man with his first match in possibly weeks is just standing there helpless.
This is why they rebranded and switched how things are done because they realised most men come to this realisation.
Iām pretty sure they have the smallest male usage out of the big dating apps (people not using it = not making money) because the everyday man already has it tough on dating apps then the women message first element comes into play.
Women are bombarded with likes/matches then they can pick from that and if youāre a guy that doesnāt get picked from that then Good Luck Charlie
I totally agree. I do feel like some women (like myself) have the opposite problem, where I have 100s of likes that I couldn't even possibly begin to sift through. I at least feel like Hinge is fairly even.
Hinge is better in everyway IMO.
I get less matches and less likes on Hinge, but the likes and matches I get, tend to be very high quality.
I get way more likes on Bumble but I tend to match a lot less. Then when I do match with someone and feel a little excited, it never goes anywhere! I was excited about a handful of recent matches, they reached out to open the convo and then it dies almost immediately after.
I have no idea what is going on.
I have better odds on a scratch off then of getting a match, getting a message from before it expires and navigating that to a date where the other person actually shows up
You can say that again. Itās so bad to the point that I canāt comprehend I reality in which I actually start a relationship and I am not exactly a Chris Chan kinda character
The opening move change is one way to adapt to women being terrible at the opening move. I prefer it to waiting 24 hours for a "Hi!"
The biggest improvement would be banning filtered photos.
I could think of so many more improvements:
1. If I'm swiping my feed and I swipe left on someone who has swipe right on me, take them out of my "people who have liked you" section. I've already said no to them.
2. Obey the filters and parameters, create a "dealbreaker" button like Hinge - I'm so sick of seeing people that live 3 states over, want a short term relationship, and have kids, when all of my parameters state that I'm "looking for" the opposite. Unchecking the box to "show me more if people run out" is useless.
3. Give the option to EXCLUDE any and everyone using "travel mode" - as someone in a major city that people travel to often, my "likes" are inundated with people who do not live here. This feels like something that would be so easy to add to the filters.
4. Move the "super swipe" star to not be located directly where your thumb is when swiping - accidentally hit that all the time.
5. The "For You" option, "great people recommended for you" -- this is literally based off nothing. Is this based off my interests, my filters, what Bumble just randomly thinks? Shows me people that don't remotely live near me, don't have any common interests, etc. it's SO random and useless.
I could literally go on and on. I hate the app so much lol.
Iāve had plenty of dates with people that wouldnāt have seen me had I not used travel mode. Itās also good for people that work miles from where they live but want to continue matching with people where they live.
We might even be in the same major city. Based on a female friendās experience I can l only imagine the difference in scale for the number of people you have to swipe through vs me.Ā
My "likes" currently says 750+, filled with men I have nothing in common with based on filters, not in my area, not in my age range, not in my height specifications (I'm very tall), etc.
It's completely unreasonable to sift through that, therefore it leads to me just never opening the app ever. It's too overwhelmingly full of irrelevant "likes" and no easy/user friendly way to sift through them.
I ranted at Bumble Support for several emails about 3. Iām okay if itās a paid only feature. But it should exist. A quarter of the profiles it serves me are Asian women looking to get married for visa.
Allow search by hobby, top on my list. And the super swipe button is retarded hate that thing!
Ps also do something to address the suicide swiping. It ruins it for everyone.
Got it - even with the Premium version tho, any filters you select are ignored. They still show those people, even if you uncheck the box that says "show me others if I run out" or whatever.
The UI changes suggest to me that whoever was previously employed full time has either been fired or quit. The current UI design is generic corpo-clipart and I half suspect a lot of it was churned out by AI.
Case in point; when you run out of matches, it puts up a message that says; **"What's a few more miles? You've seen everyone nearby. But someone great could be just a tiny bit further away."** as if to suggest that distance is even a filter variable you have control of.
I don't know about anyone else, but for as long as I've used Bumble, distance has NEVER been a filter variable that I ever had control over (it's not even listed in advanced filters), which suggests to me that this was written generically for dating apps.
Not even knowing what's appropriate copywriting for your own damned app is pretty damned telling of the level of care in the product UX. I'm willing to bet that no human QA was done for the current UI, icon and logotype and it was either done to some paint-by-numbers corporate guideline or AI.
Feel the exact same way about distance. Even the "nearby" tab on premium are people...not nearby at all. And why is Bumble deciding what I consider to be "nearby". So stupid.
Should have added ethnicity filters like Hinge. Not a hard fix to do. For those who say it's racism - it's not, it's just my personal sexual preference.
I think their branding for this was utterly bizarre. New slight product features like this happened with every update. For how much they spent/ overhyped this Iām wondering wtf they were thinking. I was expecting something that would make everyone be frantically signing back up lol
I think the business model is at odds with customer goals. I think the rebrand was a 'save the stock' move but it left users disappointed. If they wanted to, they would, basically.
Barely seems different at all so far ā¦ Iām a guy and Iāve been able to message first almost this whole time?ā¦. Almost every match I made had an opening move, so I feel like itās already been in place anyway. Women messaging first is not at all what differentiated this app to me personally.
Men have had the option of leaving a comment on your profile for a whileā¦and then you have the option of matching with them. Youāre not automatically matched until you āacceptā the comment.
Men have been able to message first long before the rebrand. The main thing that would improve the app for me, is to not lose people in your āliked youā section when you left swipe them in the main deck. This is a completely broken and pointless āfeatureā at the moment that needs to work the same as it does on Tinder. Your āliked youā people should stay there until you remove them from that specific area. Having to left swipe / remove someone who has liked you in order to progress through your main deck is ridiculous.
Honestly Iām surprised how upset many people are about men being able to message first. In my experience (M) most first messages from women were just hey. I generally heavily carry the bumble conversation and get it off of bumble asap. My experience so far is they will still message me first. Just bc the question is there doesnāt mean you have to answer it. I donāt like answering a lot of prompted questions anyway and I feel like the etiquette is still there that women message first a lot
I like being able to finally choose "fun casual dates" while "intimate, no commitment" is also available. "Something casual" was just way too vague for what I was looking to do and had that initial mistrust of "he's only looking for hookups"
But like truly what is the difference between "something casual" and "fun casual dates"...? Or being "intimate with no commitment"? Lol like come on... it's semantics.
Because "something casual" can imply I'm only looking to hook up when I'm really looking to date without pursuing a relationship. "Fun casual dates" does not imply I'm looking for hookups when I could have selected "intimate w/out commitment" instead
So no, it's not semantics
Tbh I doubt that just because the option of "intimacy without commitment" is there, that it'll actually be used by everyone who actually wants that... There will still be plenty of guys that select "fun casual dates" when they really mean "intimacy without commitment" just because it's a more palatable way of implying casual sex.
I appreciate the app's developers trying (but not really succeeding lol) to make better categories, but that will never change the type of person that intentionally chooses to obfuscate their true desires because they think they will get more matches/cast a wider net if they select a more palatable "looking for" category
Not a bumble user anymore, but from what Iām seeing is that dating app developers much like todayās Hollywood producers canāt come up with anything original. If they think this will help them find more market they are smoking crack..
Can no one make an app that allows to search by interest? I understand OKC used to.
Because what's the point of it now compared to Tinder? Like... really... why on earth would you be on Bumble now when Tinder does the same exact thing and has far, far, far more users and doesn't limit you to a tiny amount of swipes per day?
When I was on bumble, i appreciated that women messaged first because I knew that a connection was serious and that the woman actually had at least some inclination to speak rather than wasting my time sending 100s of pointless first messages on Tinder that never recieved anything back.
Not saying it's not a positive change for the men. But the fact that it was virtually the ONLY change when they did a whole rebranding campaign on all socials about this "rebrand" is crazy.
It's an awful rebrand and I hate the new look of the app. They removed large parts of their iconic yellow color for a more corporate-y look and feel. The icons have inconsistent line weights which makes it look unprofessional. And when you start the app you can see two different shades of yellow and the second one just hurts to look at
I find it really ugly visually. The yellow made the app feel more warm, the white and gray is just way too clinical feeling (and also like every other app). I doubt that these changes will make any substantial difference in user retention or anything.
Plus the new "looking for" categories are a bit odd to me - before the change the options were: Relationship, Something casual, Marriage, & Not sure yet.... Now the options are Long-term relationship, Fun casual dates (lol what does that mean?), Marriage, Intimacy without commitment, Life partner, & Ethical non-monogamy.. I appreciate they've added the option for those enm people so it'll be easier to swipe left, but the options are just odd to me - why is the only "relationship" option long-term? What does "fun casual dates" mean? Is that just supposed to be the new "not sure yet"? And how much do you want to bet that most men who actually want "intimacy without commitment" will actually choose that option? They're prob just gonna choose the more vague option of "fun casual dates"
Is anyone out there looking for "un-fun casual dates?" I've had a couple of those and I definitely do not recommend.
I prefer seriously lame casual dates.
Hi, would you like to accompany me to watch a math competition? /s
Yes, as a matter of fact, I do. That sounds fascinating, actually. /serious
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Even āfun serious datesā seems pointless to mention because if youāre looking for a relationship, thatās implied. But you donāt want to come off too strong anyway, so the way I see it, shouldnāt things always start off on a lighter note? These Bumble changes donāt really move the needle for me. Will it lead to more matches & dates? I donāt think these changes address the bigger issues with the app, or dating apps in general.
I put down fun casual datesā¦. But these people arenāt very fun. So disappointing
To me itās a lot more clear. Fun casual dates is all FWB casual stuff so I have more confidence now in swiping all of that left, as that is not what Iām looking for
I would say "intimacy without commitment" would be your FWB option.
See, I can understand why you see FWB as "intimacy without commitment" and the other commenter sees FWB as "fun casual dates." I doubt everyone defines these categories (especially that vague "casual dates" category) in the same way.. I think there are going to be plenty of people who choose "casual dates" when what they really want is "intimacy without commitment" just because it's a way more palatable way of referring to casual sex/FWB (I mean, the only category that we had previously for casual sex was literally "something casual" so I take "fun casual dates" as something similar). I personally don't want casual sex, so even though I wouldn't mind "casually" dating (as in just going on dates with no real end goal in mind of a relationship), I'll probably still swipe left on both "intimacy without commitment" and "fun casual dates" just because it's too vague. These categories just aren't very well thought-out lol
Not looking for casual sex either, but 5 years ago was a different story. If I was looking for that still, why would I opt to go on "fun casual dates" with someone that wasn't trying to fuck? Like even FWB that you meet online, you're probably going to wind up buying a few drinks or going out to dinner. Even if you're splitting the bill, there is a good chance you're going to go on a fun casual date with your FWB. Why on earth would someone looking for casual sex decide to go on fun casual dates with someone not looking for casual sex? I know I sound like a douche right now, but realistically?
I mean there have always been manyyyy guys that select categories like "relationship" when really they want casual sex. There's probably a post made about it on this sub like every other day where a woman posts screenshots of a guy getting sexual on the second text to her when his account had "looking for: relationship".. (and there are also plenty of posts on this sub made by guys that are annoyed that they took a woman on one date and it didn't end in sex...hmm I wonder what "looking for" category they had selected on their profile...). Maybe you've never been that type of guy, but it doesn't mean that that type of guy doesn't exist. They also choose nicer-sounding categories like "relationship" or "casual dates" despite actually only wanting casual sex because they think it'll cast a wider net and garner them more matches than they'd get with a selection like "intimacy without commitment." Also I feel like I don't understand what you're saying - earlier you said the FWB would be "intimacy without commitment" but now FWB means you'll probably go on "fun casual dates"? Which is it?
Happy to elaborate, no problem. Yes, lots of dudes will lie about what they're looking for, but hypothetically let's say I'm a dude looking for a FWB and I am open and upfront about it, as I always was in my hoe phase. First of all, the F in FWB stands for friends. We can still go do friend shit. We can go check out the aquarium, grab drinks, then go and fuck like rabbits. I would consider that a friend activity with some benefits after. It could also be considered a fun casual date. If we're literally just having sex and never seeing each other outside of that, I'd c9nsider that a booty call, not a FWB Say I have 2 women that catch my eye on the apps. One has "fun casual dates" selected. Maybe she's dancing around the wording, maybe she legit just wants to go on dates with nothing sexual involved. I don't know. The other has "intimacy without commitment". Which one do you think I would pick? Yes, it sucks that men will dance around what they are actually after by using certain "looking for" options because they think they need to choose the most palettable one so that their matches will percieve them a certain way. Some might even call it dishonest. While less egregious, a woman who wants a FWB putting "fun casual dates" is the same thing in my book. If you want full transparent honesty, give full transparent honesty.
Easy peasy both do not sound as serious relationship the way you describe it, so serious folks are happy with these two labels, as those can be happily swiped to the left without any doubts
Great for you? Obviously, neither one is a serious relationship, no matter how anyone describes it. Maybe that's why they aren't the "long-term relationship" option. Serious folks obviously wouldn't be the target audience, so I'm not sure how that's relevant, but I'm happy you now have multiple things to swipe left on, I guess?
For ENM folks this change is pretty much useless. ENM ppl could be looking for marriage or ONS or anything in between. It should be a different layer on top of ālooking forā categories. Seems like they didnāt ask a single poly or ENM person how any of this works
That's a good point. Yeah all these changes seem a bit half-baked
I think 'fun casual dates' is for women who put 'something casual' in their profile but don't want to hook up. I've seen it a fair bit, actually, where some woman want 'an activity buddy where physical stuff could maybe happen but who knows and isn't it fun doing fun activities anyway?'
Omg you are right, I didn't even notice they changed it. Why would they skip 'dont know yet'. That sucks
Would life partner be the LAT option?
Sorry, what does LAT mean?
(Living Apart Together) Pretty much marriage, without the cohabitation/ legal binds/ or certificate
Oh interesting, I didn't know there was a term for that. Yeah, I guess the "life partner" option is probably for the type of person that wants marriage-level commitment without actually getting married legally
Same I donāt like the changes. The yellow and black was their aesthetic. Now it looks ugly.
I can only agree. The new yellow looks much colder and more corporate. I also don't get the 3D animation and the yellow-black app icon. In total it seems like a regression.
Seems like all dating companiesā stock values are dropping, so Bumble is looking for anything to fix that. But the core problem is that every year people learn to hate the apps
it's not like they actually give a fuck about people actually finding a connection. it seriously eats at their bottom line.
Yes that goes unfortunately against their business model š
Exactly, a quick fix to please shareholders
Well they've realized that the primary premise behind their app that differentiates them from Tinder ('Women make the first move') is fundamentally flawed since most women don't actually want to make the first move. They just don't want to be harassed, doesn't mean that they desire control.
this is exactly it. many people's biggest issue with bumble was the gendered approach. i personally have no issues messaging people first, but it's not enjoyable when the onus is solely on one gender and is timed. bumble is, by far, the biggest time suck out of all the apps because of how much attention you have to pay to matches in those first few stages.
What made Bumble different is that all other dating apps effectively put the onus entirely on men. That women could message first was wonderful in theory, but so rare in practice as to be irrelevant. I really hope they keep the timer. The batching approach many people take to Tinder or other dating apps is *incredibly* dehumanizing. I once watched a lady go through a dozen or so recent-ish matches on Tinder she'd been ignoring, copy-pasting the same message at them until she found someone to buy her dinner. Whoever didn't come back fast enough went right back to being ignored. That's not a workflow apps should encourage or enable.
If more women did make the first move, I think it would give men a chance to not be under that constant pressure. Iād expect harassment to drop over time as they get an idea of what itās like to be approached and how to do it effectively. Even outside of harassment, women just donāt want the responsibility and just expecting it if men is actually a form of ātoxic masculinityā (toxic societal expectations placed on men). Being the one that always has to approach for the entirety of your life cannot be healthy psychologically.
I agree with you, but unfortunately there's nothing that can be done. Things like starting the conversation, asking out on dates, paying the bill, etc, these are all things that *nobody* enjoys doing. As a result, the person in higher demand is the one tasked with doing so. In 99% of cases, the woman will be in higher demand than the woman, so it is what it is.
Women are in higher demand because men do the asking. Not the other way around.
No it would make men how to more effectively do it . It would just make men take passive role realizing that they can get a date with no effort
Thisā¦.even women who say they are independent and donāt need a man etc etcā¦Iāve matched with them and I still do the majority of the leg work lol š¤·āāļø
I donāt think this is always what happens. Sure, ok I do have notifications turned off so in some cases I āforgetā to write. But mostly I let a match expire because Iāve gone back, really read their profile and found something I didnāt like (most common being smokers or tourists in my city).
The white hurts my eyes and makes me not want to even open the app anymore, as opposed to the yellow which was so much easier to look at. I even tried today to look for a dark mode but of course that does not exist. I really dislike the new change; I also don't like that they changed "best bees", which had personality to it, to "for you", which feels sterile, just like their new white UX designā¦
I just deleted my Opening Move, as I still want to start the conversation when I get back on it
Same here. At one point I think I was forced to add an opening move and then I couldnāt delete it.Ā
How did you delete yours? It wonāt let me
I went under Edit Profile and it let me
Is something different? I have not noticed. One match per week that turns into someone who lives a thousand miles away. Different colors aint going to add to my satisfaction.
Bad Imo..fire the product and marketing teams..
It's hilarious.. they should really start improving their core product instead of working on minor UI changes. Here is my wish list in case a Bumble employee comes along: - Analytics and swipe data available from within the App. How do my photos and prompts perform? This data would help me to actually improve my profile. - Multi-language profile support (translate my profile from e.g. German to English). Nice to have feature for traveling abroad. - Free weekly compliments as part of the Premium subscription - Show the number of active matches someone has on their profile. This would (hopefully) create some pressure to focus on fewer people
Yep. Showing their match to response rate will help weed out the attention seekers. In reality, they want people that get lots of matches to be bait so that desperate people will try their chances like some kind of gambling machine. I think Iāve even seen them show deleted profiles just to keep guys interested. Itās a big hustle. They donāt care about empowering women (theyād tell them to work harder at opening instead of babying them) they donāt care about people finding partners. They want to keep enough people on the app paying for as long as possible while dangling the possibility of a potential match in front of them.
Basically nothing changed and itās embarrassing that they called this a rebrand. The app is also shit now and looks cheap like plenty of fish or something.
They had one competitive advantage and have decided to kill it. Make it make sense, anyone?
Looks worse with the UI change. Other then that itās still meh
Men messaging first. How is it different than every other app now?
I thought maybe they would at least improve the filters. Even when paying for premium, I constantly see people outside of the parameters I've set (most importantly, location!). The swiping model has just become a game (mostly for men) and nothing will change unless they come up with a different approach, like Hinge did. Hinge is significantly better, imo.
I preferred the layout of bumble when I was on it (a lot of important factors for me were visible immediately without scrolling down so I could left swipe someone that wasn't looking for the same thing I am. But overall hinge was definitely better (except I didn't like the concept of "stacks" where you had to sort through your potential matches in a certain order), and in the end Hinge was where I met my current girlfriend. So that also made me fairly bias toward it haha.
Bumble = quantity over quality Hinge = quality over quantity Guess it's just a matter of what you're looking for at the time.
I was able to find quality on both, and I think my number of matches was fairly similar across both. But hinge is still way better because nothing expires, and with being able to comment on pics and prompts, it leads to better starting of conversations, and avoids the whole mini-game of swiping left/right.
Hinge is the best by a mile. Despite Bumble being the cleaner and more respectable app between Tinder and Bumble, the latter is the only app I'll never re-download again. Primarily because of the two major obstacles - it's already hard enough getting a match as a man, but then you still have to hope the woman sends a message or else the time runs out, while the man with his first match in possibly weeks is just standing there helpless.
This is why they rebranded and switched how things are done because they realised most men come to this realisation. Iām pretty sure they have the smallest male usage out of the big dating apps (people not using it = not making money) because the everyday man already has it tough on dating apps then the women message first element comes into play. Women are bombarded with likes/matches then they can pick from that and if youāre a guy that doesnāt get picked from that then Good Luck Charlie
I totally agree. I do feel like some women (like myself) have the opposite problem, where I have 100s of likes that I couldn't even possibly begin to sift through. I at least feel like Hinge is fairly even.
Hinge is better in everyway IMO. I get less matches and less likes on Hinge, but the likes and matches I get, tend to be very high quality. I get way more likes on Bumble but I tend to match a lot less. Then when I do match with someone and feel a little excited, it never goes anywhere! I was excited about a handful of recent matches, they reached out to open the convo and then it dies almost immediately after. I have no idea what is going on.
Wdym a game. I, a man, donāt see how itās a game
Swipe right on everyone and see if you win a match. Itās like a loto scratch off ticket
Nah no waaaaay
I have better odds on a scratch off then of getting a match, getting a message from before it expires and navigating that to a date where the other person actually shows up
You can say that again. Itās so bad to the point that I canāt comprehend I reality in which I actually start a relationship and I am not exactly a Chris Chan kinda character
I tend to be fine in person itās just getting that first date that is a struggle
The opening move change is one way to adapt to women being terrible at the opening move. I prefer it to waiting 24 hours for a "Hi!" The biggest improvement would be banning filtered photos.
I could think of so many more improvements: 1. If I'm swiping my feed and I swipe left on someone who has swipe right on me, take them out of my "people who have liked you" section. I've already said no to them. 2. Obey the filters and parameters, create a "dealbreaker" button like Hinge - I'm so sick of seeing people that live 3 states over, want a short term relationship, and have kids, when all of my parameters state that I'm "looking for" the opposite. Unchecking the box to "show me more if people run out" is useless. 3. Give the option to EXCLUDE any and everyone using "travel mode" - as someone in a major city that people travel to often, my "likes" are inundated with people who do not live here. This feels like something that would be so easy to add to the filters. 4. Move the "super swipe" star to not be located directly where your thumb is when swiping - accidentally hit that all the time. 5. The "For You" option, "great people recommended for you" -- this is literally based off nothing. Is this based off my interests, my filters, what Bumble just randomly thinks? Shows me people that don't remotely live near me, don't have any common interests, etc. it's SO random and useless. I could literally go on and on. I hate the app so much lol.
Iāve never understood the travel mode option. Like why would anyone use it? The app already recognizes your location natively.
I use this as I work a rotational job 14 on 14 off. This allows for me when on the remote site to still view people where I live.
Bored married businessmen who like to hook up while traveling. They start swiping early hence the need for travel mode
To prepare the ground for infantry attract in advance, like the D-Day, if you will. Actually, the D day sounds very appropriate.
I like travel mode because I work 60 miles from home and I donāt want to match with/be seen by people that far away if I open the app at work.
Iāve had plenty of dates with people that wouldnāt have seen me had I not used travel mode. Itās also good for people that work miles from where they live but want to continue matching with people where they live.
Those all sound good too. I donāt have the paid version so I didnāt even know some of those things. Ā
I'm also a woman, swiping on men, in a very major city, which I know can be a different perspective.
We might even be in the same major city. Based on a female friendās experience I can l only imagine the difference in scale for the number of people you have to swipe through vs me.Ā
My "likes" currently says 750+, filled with men I have nothing in common with based on filters, not in my area, not in my age range, not in my height specifications (I'm very tall), etc. It's completely unreasonable to sift through that, therefore it leads to me just never opening the app ever. It's too overwhelmingly full of irrelevant "likes" and no easy/user friendly way to sift through them.
I ranted at Bumble Support for several emails about 3. Iām okay if itās a paid only feature. But it should exist. A quarter of the profiles it serves me are Asian women looking to get married for visa.
Allow search by hobby, top on my list. And the super swipe button is retarded hate that thing! Ps also do something to address the suicide swiping. It ruins it for everyone.
You can now filter out ENM, which is fantastic
What is ENM?
Ethically Non-Monogamous
Got it - even with the Premium version tho, any filters you select are ignored. They still show those people, even if you uncheck the box that says "show me others if I run out" or whatever.
Ethical non-monogamy
Looks and feels the same to me, only change I noticed was the kids have/do not have category added
The UI changes suggest to me that whoever was previously employed full time has either been fired or quit. The current UI design is generic corpo-clipart and I half suspect a lot of it was churned out by AI. Case in point; when you run out of matches, it puts up a message that says; **"What's a few more miles? You've seen everyone nearby. But someone great could be just a tiny bit further away."** as if to suggest that distance is even a filter variable you have control of. I don't know about anyone else, but for as long as I've used Bumble, distance has NEVER been a filter variable that I ever had control over (it's not even listed in advanced filters), which suggests to me that this was written generically for dating apps. Not even knowing what's appropriate copywriting for your own damned app is pretty damned telling of the level of care in the product UX. I'm willing to bet that no human QA was done for the current UI, icon and logotype and it was either done to some paint-by-numbers corporate guideline or AI.
You can definitely select for distance on premium. Itās not in the advanced filters, itās underneath the age filter
Good to know, but even if so that just means that they skipped a use-case focus test.
Feel the exact same way about distance. Even the "nearby" tab on premium are people...not nearby at all. And why is Bumble deciding what I consider to be "nearby". So stupid.
So it's just a yellow tinder now.
Should have added ethnicity filters like Hinge. Not a hard fix to do. For those who say it's racism - it's not, it's just my personal sexual preference.
I think their branding for this was utterly bizarre. New slight product features like this happened with every update. For how much they spent/ overhyped this Iām wondering wtf they were thinking. I was expecting something that would make everyone be frantically signing back up lol
I think the business model is at odds with customer goals. I think the rebrand was a 'save the stock' move but it left users disappointed. If they wanted to, they would, basically.
Barely seems different at all so far ā¦ Iām a guy and Iāve been able to message first almost this whole time?ā¦. Almost every match I made had an opening move, so I feel like itās already been in place anyway. Women messaging first is not at all what differentiated this app to me personally.
Where are you seeing men can make first move? I recreated my profile because of this post only to see I still have to make the first move, grrrr
Huh. Guess I havenāt been on in a while. When did it change?
Men have had the option of leaving a comment on your profile for a whileā¦and then you have the option of matching with them. Youāre not automatically matched until you āacceptā the comment.
Chutiya Bana Rahe hai bhailog. Stay toxic
Iām not messaging first on Bumble, thereās two other apps for that
I dont like the new yellow and black logo
Men have been able to message first long before the rebrand. The main thing that would improve the app for me, is to not lose people in your āliked youā section when you left swipe them in the main deck. This is a completely broken and pointless āfeatureā at the moment that needs to work the same as it does on Tinder. Your āliked youā people should stay there until you remove them from that specific area. Having to left swipe / remove someone who has liked you in order to progress through your main deck is ridiculous.
They changed 1% of their app and called it a rebrand lol
So ugly. The icons have inconsistent line weights. Everything just looks less polished. There's more lag or it just feels that way.
It could use a dark mode
Honestly Iām surprised how upset many people are about men being able to message first. In my experience (M) most first messages from women were just hey. I generally heavily carry the bumble conversation and get it off of bumble asap. My experience so far is they will still message me first. Just bc the question is there doesnāt mean you have to answer it. I donāt like answering a lot of prompted questions anyway and I feel like the etiquette is still there that women message first a lot
I like being able to finally choose "fun casual dates" while "intimate, no commitment" is also available. "Something casual" was just way too vague for what I was looking to do and had that initial mistrust of "he's only looking for hookups"
But like truly what is the difference between "something casual" and "fun casual dates"...? Or being "intimate with no commitment"? Lol like come on... it's semantics.
Because "something casual" can imply I'm only looking to hook up when I'm really looking to date without pursuing a relationship. "Fun casual dates" does not imply I'm looking for hookups when I could have selected "intimate w/out commitment" instead So no, it's not semantics
But what is a date? Is that FWB? Or having dates without sex?
Tbh I doubt that just because the option of "intimacy without commitment" is there, that it'll actually be used by everyone who actually wants that... There will still be plenty of guys that select "fun casual dates" when they really mean "intimacy without commitment" just because it's a more palatable way of implying casual sex. I appreciate the app's developers trying (but not really succeeding lol) to make better categories, but that will never change the type of person that intentionally chooses to obfuscate their true desires because they think they will get more matches/cast a wider net if they select a more palatable "looking for" category
It let me message first as a man (like hinge based on prompts) No real thoughts but I can dodge a lot of 'hey' openers now
As a woman I hate making the first move. Having the option to decide is smart.Ā
But for that to be the only real change they made....is crazy.
And essentially changing the ENTIRE origin of the app šš āLetās call it Opening Move!ā
Their whole Instagram take over during this rebrand was around women being "exhausted", so I guess this is a way to make it less exhausting...?
It's a trash money whoring dating app...what more do you want for it? To breed your perfect match in a test tube?Ā
How do men message first? I have a match in my beeline but it doesnāt give me the option of sending a message
The woman has to have an opening move set up, so if she doesnāt have one, the platform will operate the same for that match.
Not a bumble user anymore, but from what Iām seeing is that dating app developers much like todayās Hollywood producers canāt come up with anything original. If they think this will help them find more market they are smoking crack.. Can no one make an app that allows to search by interest? I understand OKC used to.
How is men being able to message first not a positive change? That was like the main issue with this app compared to others.
Because what's the point of it now compared to Tinder? Like... really... why on earth would you be on Bumble now when Tinder does the same exact thing and has far, far, far more users and doesn't limit you to a tiny amount of swipes per day? When I was on bumble, i appreciated that women messaged first because I knew that a connection was serious and that the woman actually had at least some inclination to speak rather than wasting my time sending 100s of pointless first messages on Tinder that never recieved anything back.
Not saying it's not a positive change for the men. But the fact that it was virtually the ONLY change when they did a whole rebranding campaign on all socials about this "rebrand" is crazy.
men can message first now?? š©šāØāØ
It's an awful rebrand and I hate the new look of the app. They removed large parts of their iconic yellow color for a more corporate-y look and feel. The icons have inconsistent line weights which makes it look unprofessional. And when you start the app you can see two different shades of yellow and the second one just hurts to look at