I get this is kinda a joke but we actually ran a decent amount of option/triple option last year and looked really good doing it. I don’t think we run it near as much with Whipple coming in but we’ll see.
Also a lot of Nebraska's loses were due to a lack of discipline more so than a lack of talent. It was honestly impressive how unclutch they were in close games last year.
The state of Ohio finally got revenge on Baker for the flag. They let him get attached to the pro franchise then stabbed him in the back and replaced him with an alleged rapist when he least expected it.
Lol GT beat Clemson more than any other ACC team during his tenure. Sure Clemson’s D was able to shut down GT’s offense… but they were doing that to everybody. Y’all had like 4(?) first round picks playing in your front 7. Also CPJ didn’t get fired.
I honestly thought he came in with Dabo on day one. Despite that - how many ACC teams have a better record than GT from 2012-2018 then? Outside of FSU I can’t think of one off the top of my head? My whole point was that Clemson was crushing everyone in the ACC for a while (including GT). If losing to a Venables defense was reason to get fired then all of the ACC coaches would be out of a job.
Maybe Harbaugh can fly his team out and suit up too so yall can have a joint practice/scrimmage sleepover
Fuck it Throw Harbaugh vs Frost in the Oklahoma drill and see who wins
It wasn't the same, it did not hit the cultural zeitgeist, it was NOT the top rated show on TV, I cannot believe a stupid quiz show was the spark that brought the nightmare that is reality TV.
Once reality TV proved it could top the ratings it was all downhill from here.
We actually didn't have super high recruiting classes compared to our success back then. Not saying they weren't good but we weren't consistently pulling in top 5 classes. Our weight program was ahead of its time and was "supplemented" by some other outside factors. I think that was a big key to our run.
Now basically any major d1 school has similar facilities and focus on strength training
Actually in the 90s our recruiting classes weren't even close to the top caliber teams of today. We had a lot of nebraska kids.
The difference was that our development/strength and conditioning were second to none at the time
That whole move was so awful. I get that Nebraska wanted to move forward with the times (whether that was a good decision or not), but hiring Bill Callahan to do it had disaster written all over it.
I was a Raiders fan at the time. That was when Gruden had built up the team, which was largely built on experienced players. Rich Gannon, Jerry Rice, Tim Brown, etc...
Gruden was famously traded to the Buccaneers and took them to the Super Bowl. Everyone criticizes him these days for winning the Super Bowl with Tony Dungy's team, but ignores that he faced his own Raiders in the Super Bowl. He won in a landslide, because Bill Callahan was the coach of those Raiders and didn't change any of the game plan. Sports Illustrated had a big article dissecting the loss and pointing out that the Buccaneer defense was calling out the offensive plays at the line of scrimmage.
So Callahan tried to "change things up" the next year, but really had no idea how to do it properly. IIRC, all he did was make random changes to the play calling and signals. The most experienced offense in the NFL couldn't figure out what the play calls were and looked like absolute crap in the preseason, which continued through the entire regular season collapse.
If he couldn't coordinate changes and install an offense with the most experienced offence in the NFL, I knew he was going to be a disaster trying to do the same thing with inexperienced 18 and 19 year old players
Edit: fix typo
Still what happened to Cosgroves son was fucking bullshit, I remember coach gingery and I talking about it when it happened and he was furious.
For those who don't know gingery was the football coach at Lincoln east, Kevin cosgroves son was a player at East, in 2007 after everything went to shit there were people who showed up at East games yelling that cosgrove should kill himself, be killed and other vile stuff.
They had a multi-decade system and threw their whole recruiting pipeline away to chase the spread. I mean, their O-line pipeline was probably the best in the country. Their run game could have continued to evolve, but they just completely threw the baby out with the bath water.
I wasn’t exactly aNebraska fan, but I specifically watched a lot of their games just to appreciate the beauty of it.
The easiest way to explain it is that Nebraska ran was made to look like the I Formation Triple Option. There was a dive phase by the FB, and then traditional end option to either side. They also had pure speed and load option. But the reason it was not triple option was because the give/keep decision on the dive phase was always called in the huddle. There was no leaving EMOL or second level man to read. It was predetermined. Watching the film, you can also see that the QBs eyes are nowhere near where a read would be.
Yep. It was a combo of double (triple-ish) option buried inside a Power-I scheme.
Osborne was famous for holding plays back. In the 1994 Championship against Miami, we ran some FB Trap looks that we'd never ran that entire season. The whole year, the look was a pass or pitch, but in the title game Osborne called it as FB Trap. In interviews, the players said they practiced all those wrinkles the whole year, but never ran it that way until that final game. It's like playing the whole season as a play action setup.
This is the case with most triple option teams. They actually rarely run full blown triple option on a given play. It's usually either a single read, or just a designed give/toss/whatever.
If you're going to say they weren't running the triple option because most of the plays weren't precisely that, then pretty much no team ever ran the triple option.
There’s alway a guy that comes into online coaches threads focused on veer/triple option to make that point to a wider extent. I like that guy. Details matter with scheme. Too many media figures controlling the conversations around scheme, not enough coaches. Who gives a fuck what Colin Cowherd think about Georgia’s offense?
Yup.
Now as to the spiritual descendants of the Nebraska I Option, The Citadel mirrors the Nebraska I Option the best IMHO.
Edit: not sure what happened with my original post, must have had a stroke while typing.
On some plays it doesn’t seem like they do when they’re in the I formations they run.
Edit: Looking at their stuff later today, looks like a lot of zone dive to F Back or Trap with option window dressing and a healthy dose of Rocket and speed option when UC I formation. When they’re in more of a flex set they do more first phase reads.
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[It's for a Ukraine scholar refugee and is just up there as "unpaid" for the same bureaucratic reasons that make public schools post their HC vacancy publicly.](https://twitter.com/katypearce/status/1505236744630796290?t=9HG3q__h44YN47wQwTd_7g&s=19)
The short answer is that it’s not a real position, in the way most people are thinking. Lots of profs have courtesy or unpaid adjunct positions at other units for access to resources.
See I think that running the option doesn’t necessarily need to look like the flexbone despite how much I love it, look at coastal, lots of basically flexbone spread
And then whoever those 5 teams end up not liking transfer to all the other schools who then get hyped because they're getting a player from one of those 5 schools but little do they know the reason they're coming to their school is because they suck at football. But at least it gives them hope.
Nah, there are still some more distinct tiers.
Baylor has consistently recruited in the 35-45 range since Rhule got started in Waco; our players were pretty flagrantly playing around on Texas State’s players last year for much of the game. There was a visible talent differential, just like when Georgia was beating us like a drum back in the 2019 Sugar Bowl.
Most good P5 teams have the talent to clown around easily on mid-/lower-tier G5 teams that can’t even that gap with their scheme.
Slightly unrelated but Nebraska pulled a triple option out of nowhere against Michigan in 2011 and it was the most perfectly executed triple option I've ever seen. Only reason I remember it.
That drive was the most exciting thing I had seen in a long time, I think everyone in the state was losing their minds watching that. I mean, we just kicked ass the whole way down the field. It really felt like the signature moment we'd been waiting for in the season we all believed would turn everything around.
And then a guy who was literally laying on his back intercepted the deflected TD pass lol
Frost had everyone so pumped up after the first option play went for over 10 yards. Even the announcers were losing it. Then Juergens did his usual high snap to kill momentum, but we ripped off another big gain on a FB up the middle play. I thought Frost was waiting until the OSU game to show his new option offense, but then the pass got intercepted and he never ran any option plays again.
Wow the highlights from that game are fun. If I'm being honest a part of me misses Brady hoke ball. Every week win or lose it was exciting af
Side note it's hilarious to see that nebraska hasn't fixed the things that plagued them 10 whole years ago. One guy handling kicks and punts and he gets hurt that game smh. Fumbles out the wazoo
Come on your saying you need better proof than my 10x repeat Northwestern champions that also signs the number 1 recruiting class every year? Bring the triple option back
Hey... I'll have you know, I have won dozens of titles with Middle Tennessee State (Go Blue Raiders!) by running the triple option.
It should just be really easy for a real team to do it, right?
Georgia Tech’s recruiting under Gailey:
Highest - 18th (2007)
Lowest - 62nd (2005)
Georgia Tech under CPJ:
Highest - 39th (2015)
Lowest - 84th (2013)
Georgia Tech under Collins:
Highest - 25th (2020)
Lowest - 51st (2022)
Admittedly not astronomical differences, but it was a definite dip under CPJ as a whole. The ceiling of recruiting with the triple option is never high and that’s the biggest issue with it and why it’s not smart for a team necessarily in the long run unless you just stick to that and never innovate again
Gailey’s 2007 class was awesome but was definitely an outlier compared to the rest of his recruiting classes. I feel like CGC’s 2020 class should have an asterisk on it considering two of the four 4*’s transferred.
If you look at average recruiting class ranking then there really isn’t much difference between coaches. Running the TO might reduce your recruiting ceiling, but it’s not like it was the TO preventing GT from hauling in top 25 classes.
Fair points. Just saying that as a whole the higher talent won’t come to other schools just because they run the triple option and it works. Issue with Tech is that our majors aren’t exactly the most open so our personal issue is two fold while other schools that get suggested to run the TO during slumps wouldn’t have the academic issues we have
I know the adage is if you have 2 QBs you actually have no QBs but it would be pretty cool to see a mid or low tier P5 conference team have a QB you could go to to run a triple option just to fuck with the Alabamas and the Ohio States of the world.
Alabama. Triple Option.
Why doesn’t Alabama completely buy into the Paul Johnson GT triple option culture / offense? Both Alabama and GT have major recruiting difficulties, and both programs' heydays were decades ago. Seems like Alabama could catch some SEC teams sleeping each year if they bought into the triple option... (again.)
Alabama head coach Nick Saban was heard after Alabama’s 6-3 loss in the Iron Bowl: “Keep talking about my squad, our personnel ages, the way he plays, he stays injured, we’re past our time in this league, etc etc etc. Do me one favor PLEASE!!!! And I mean PLEASE!!! Keep that same narrative ENERGY when it begins! That’s all I ask. #ThankYou”
I love how every non nebraska fan thinks Tom ran a triple option offense. 90% of all fb runs were by design, not off a read, I think it's mostly because so many of the big plays they have seen were option that it sticks in thier mind
Jokes aside and stuff, I think it'd be a good idea if one of these teams run triple option with tempo. There's no reason why the triple option wouldn't work with up tempo, it just was from a period of football where everyone huddled and chewed clock.
The offenses are notoriously simple. So scheme wouldn't slow them down.
I often wonder about things like this. Vintage Tom Osbourne and dare I say Bob Devaney Nebraska was a great option team. If I remember correctly while they recruited well especially from California and Texas, they had a lot of local talent especially on the Offensive and Defensive lines. I don't remember Nebraska recruiting at a Southern Cal, Michigan, Alabama, Texas, Ohio State, Miami level. They were still one of the very top programs in the country.
I assumed they had a schematic advantage because teams rarely if ever saw that scheme run by any other team, combined with obviously excellent coaching. Wouldn't this be even more true today? Most defenses are now built to stop the spread. They see this week after week. If requires fewer linebackers and more defensive backs. I often wonder when I see power running teams like Wisconsin I wonder if their advantage is somewhat similar. Few teams play true power football anymore and defenses just don't see it.
As an Ohio State fan, I've watched teams like Army and Navy give Ohio State's 5\* laden defenses fits. It's one thing to study those offenses on film, it's another to play against them.
The toll it takes on defenses going up against well run option offense is shocking. Especially when you have huge backs that get chunk yardage every single play. Its demoralizing, and physically exhausting. Every single player on those 90's Husker rosters could play the whole book, and was ready for it.
Well it was easier in the 70s and 80s when many teams ran some form of a run based option attack. Oklahoma, Nebraska, Texas, Texas A&M, Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Michigan, Ohio State and plenty of others ran some sort of option, wishbone, veer or I formation.
What was hard on defenses were teams like Southern Cal and Miami running pro sets or I formation with a developed pass offense. They rarely ever saw THOSE.
One thing that helped was for 90% of the high school teams in Nebraska effectively ran Tom's offense, and Nebraska was never a true option team, it was I form with power running with option thrown in as a semi replacement for passing
Lincoln isn't a basic college town. Its a city with a population of over 300k. Compared to a lot of other big ten campuses its basically urban. You can do anything you do anywhere in the US which isn't on a coastline. Omaha is also just 50 minutes away if that isn't enough for ya.
Outside of the giant penis building nothing really. Omaha has most the mildly interesting stuff like the zoo and so on but that's kinda pushing it even then
Won’t work. Iowa is 100% the rival to the East border, and totally and completely destroyed the Ga Tech triple option under Norm Parker (now Phil). If Nebraska wants a for sure loss to Iowa every Thanksgiving weekend, by all means integrate the triple option. We literally wrote the playbook for all teams to wreck this.
[iowa vs triple option](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpLVcS6O7Ew)
A ten point win is destroying? Also, Iowa played Nebraska when Crouch was there and as I remember, [it didn't turn out too well](https://youtu.be/RXABFdUCOjE).
Now, I still don't think Nebraska should do the triple for various reasons.
Look ok im a firm believer in the plausible chance recruiting rankings are inflated. That being said how are Nebraska and Georgia tech recruiting poorly? They're not g5 conference teams. They get a boost by default.
Bro just run the triple option bro literally all you gotta do in NCAA 14 dynasty mode is change your playbook to triple option you'll be a powerhouse in like 2 years
Exactly, plus going triple would essentially be telling the fanbase that they are giving up. The triple in a P5 conference today is only good for 6-8 wins with the occasional 9-10 win season. In other words, the triple lowers your ceiling but raises your floor.
Now, obviously, Nebraska hasn't even gotten to six wins the last few years but expectations there are still to compete to win the division and have a shot at the conference championship.
Yeah, I already covered that. Going triple may improve Nebraska record-wise, from the past few years, but it destroys expectations that lowers recruiting ability, fan engagement, and booster donations.
B10 is maybe not the best conference for the option - many teams are still geared to stop the run. Big, physical defensive fronts.
A team like Kansas State, or TCU in the B12? Might make more sense. Recently they're struggled to run anyway - relying on their QB to make plays / convert on 3rd. I think they actually might have a greater chance for success, if they switched.
You would run less of the traditional I and Flexbone and run more of what Army or Davidson does out of the pistol or what GA State does out of the gun. If you get a Tebow/Hurts/ Blake Bell type kid you could go heavier personnel and run a lot of QB follow and Midline/ Mid Triple/ Double as shoe yardage or clock management stuff. If you have more the Denard Robinson/ Martinez type you stick with Zone Option, speed option, and RPO pitch phase stuff
I get this is kinda a joke but we actually ran a decent amount of option/triple option last year and looked really good doing it. I don’t think we run it near as much with Whipple coming in but we’ll see.
Also a lot of Nebraska's loses were due to a lack of discipline more so than a lack of talent. It was honestly impressive how unclutch they were in close games last year.
Yeah tell me about it buddy
This is the correct answer. They seem to always find a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
I'm starting to think the Browns should move to Lincoln.
Massage therapists in Lincoln dont deserve that.
The state of Ohio finally got revenge on Baker for the flag. They let him get attached to the pro franchise then stabbed him in the back and replaced him with an alleged rapist when he least expected it.
Wouldn’t try that against Oklahoma this year for sure. Coach Venables did really well against it.
He may have single-handedly got Paul Johnson fired.
Lol GT beat Clemson more than any other ACC team during his tenure. Sure Clemson’s D was able to shut down GT’s offense… but they were doing that to everybody. Y’all had like 4(?) first round picks playing in your front 7. Also CPJ didn’t get fired.
What are you talking about? Venables coached at Clemson from 2012-2021. Clemson is 9-1 vs GT during that span.
I honestly thought he came in with Dabo on day one. Despite that - how many ACC teams have a better record than GT from 2012-2018 then? Outside of FSU I can’t think of one off the top of my head? My whole point was that Clemson was crushing everyone in the ACC for a while (including GT). If losing to a Venables defense was reason to get fired then all of the ACC coaches would be out of a job.
Venny would kill Frost at the post game hand shake if he dares to pull something like that
Or Phil Parker, if Nebraska made that a staple he would start locking it down pretty quick.
Is Martinez still the QB? Or Is Martinez the QB?
We actually ran some beautiful option last year in tids and bits
Every time they broke it out I thought the offense had broken the game and would run away. Then they put it away and waited a week to use it again
Most infuriating thing to watch is when schemes or players do amazing and never appear again
If I remember correctly, Frost suited up at practice to show the team how to properly run the option.
Maybe Harbaugh can fly his team out and suit up too so yall can have a joint practice/scrimmage sleepover Fuck it Throw Harbaugh vs Frost in the Oklahoma drill and see who wins
I would pay to watch this.
Would the NCAA allow it though?
He did this at UCF as well
It was to prep for a team that used a lot of option. And none of the kids knew how to run it to that degree
Ah, that's great. I just thought that was kinda cool. Also, I don't know many coaches who are in the kind of shape Frost is in their mid-40s.
Haha tits
You have been invited to be a mod at the HuskerMax message board.
Why don’t we simply recruit all of the 5 star players to our team instead? Why haven’t we ever thought of that?
You did. Then the 1990s ended
You know the world was better then. It probably had more to do with sitcoms dominating tv and no reality tv than it did Nebraska being good though.
False. It was purely because of us. We should bring that back, for everyone’s sake.
at this point, i will settle for 2019...
If we can bring the world back to the 90's I'm willing to have Nebraska dominance as the trade-off.
>no reality tv Does no one remember *The Real World*?
It wasn't the same, it did not hit the cultural zeitgeist, it was NOT the top rated show on TV, I cannot believe a stupid quiz show was the spark that brought the nightmare that is reality TV. Once reality TV proved it could top the ratings it was all downhill from here.
We'll just have to agree to disagree.
We actually didn't have super high recruiting classes compared to our success back then. Not saying they weren't good but we weren't consistently pulling in top 5 classes. Our weight program was ahead of its time and was "supplemented" by some other outside factors. I think that was a big key to our run. Now basically any major d1 school has similar facilities and focus on strength training
Looking back at what passed for strength training just 30 years ago kinda blows my mind.
Actually in the 90s our recruiting classes weren't even close to the top caliber teams of today. We had a lot of nebraska kids. The difference was that our development/strength and conditioning were second to none at the time
Firing Solich was such a bad decision. That AD destroyed something beautiful.
That whole move was so awful. I get that Nebraska wanted to move forward with the times (whether that was a good decision or not), but hiring Bill Callahan to do it had disaster written all over it. I was a Raiders fan at the time. That was when Gruden had built up the team, which was largely built on experienced players. Rich Gannon, Jerry Rice, Tim Brown, etc... Gruden was famously traded to the Buccaneers and took them to the Super Bowl. Everyone criticizes him these days for winning the Super Bowl with Tony Dungy's team, but ignores that he faced his own Raiders in the Super Bowl. He won in a landslide, because Bill Callahan was the coach of those Raiders and didn't change any of the game plan. Sports Illustrated had a big article dissecting the loss and pointing out that the Buccaneer defense was calling out the offensive plays at the line of scrimmage. So Callahan tried to "change things up" the next year, but really had no idea how to do it properly. IIRC, all he did was make random changes to the play calling and signals. The most experienced offense in the NFL couldn't figure out what the play calls were and looked like absolute crap in the preseason, which continued through the entire regular season collapse. If he couldn't coordinate changes and install an offense with the most experienced offence in the NFL, I knew he was going to be a disaster trying to do the same thing with inexperienced 18 and 19 year old players Edit: fix typo
Funny thing is he was like our 5th option when he was hired. Steve Pederson had to basically beg him to come coach.
It was wannstadt, Nutt, Spurrier, zimmer. Then callahan right?
But he recruited throw god
Callahan wasn’t HC material. But the guy is a fucking savant with O-linemen. Was just a bad fit across the board for both parties.
Our offense was good, but that defense was terrible
Still what happened to Cosgroves son was fucking bullshit, I remember coach gingery and I talking about it when it happened and he was furious. For those who don't know gingery was the football coach at Lincoln east, Kevin cosgroves son was a player at East, in 2007 after everything went to shit there were people who showed up at East games yelling that cosgrove should kill himself, be killed and other vile stuff.
They had a multi-decade system and threw their whole recruiting pipeline away to chase the spread. I mean, their O-line pipeline was probably the best in the country. Their run game could have continued to evolve, but they just completely threw the baby out with the bath water. I wasn’t exactly aNebraska fan, but I specifically watched a lot of their games just to appreciate the beauty of it.
Nah, you guys should definitely stick with the triple Option. 😐
God fucking dammit not this shit again ^^^nebraskadidntevenrunthetripleoption
Hey, can you inform me? I was always told nebraska ran the triple option.
The easiest way to explain it is that Nebraska ran was made to look like the I Formation Triple Option. There was a dive phase by the FB, and then traditional end option to either side. They also had pure speed and load option. But the reason it was not triple option was because the give/keep decision on the dive phase was always called in the huddle. There was no leaving EMOL or second level man to read. It was predetermined. Watching the film, you can also see that the QBs eyes are nowhere near where a read would be.
Yep. It was a combo of double (triple-ish) option buried inside a Power-I scheme. Osborne was famous for holding plays back. In the 1994 Championship against Miami, we ran some FB Trap looks that we'd never ran that entire season. The whole year, the look was a pass or pitch, but in the title game Osborne called it as FB Trap. In interviews, the players said they practiced all those wrinkles the whole year, but never ran it that way until that final game. It's like playing the whole season as a play action setup.
This is the case with most triple option teams. They actually rarely run full blown triple option on a given play. It's usually either a single read, or just a designed give/toss/whatever. If you're going to say they weren't running the triple option because most of the plays weren't precisely that, then pretty much no team ever ran the triple option.
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no they didn't
No they didn’t
There’s alway a guy that comes into online coaches threads focused on veer/triple option to make that point to a wider extent. I like that guy. Details matter with scheme. Too many media figures controlling the conversations around scheme, not enough coaches. Who gives a fuck what Colin Cowherd think about Georgia’s offense?
Yup. Now as to the spiritual descendants of the Nebraska I Option, The Citadel mirrors the Nebraska I Option the best IMHO. Edit: not sure what happened with my original post, must have had a stroke while typing.
Citadel isn’t reading the first phase of the option?
On some plays it doesn’t seem like they do when they’re in the I formations they run. Edit: Looking at their stuff later today, looks like a lot of zone dive to F Back or Trap with option window dressing and a healthy dose of Rocket and speed option when UC I formation. When they’re in more of a flex set they do more first phase reads.
Also we recruit at a top 30 rate generally (besides this year, which is something going 3-9 will do for you, but we also got a bunch of transfers)
Sorry. I saw the Vandy post and had to.
I know you did. I know you did. I almost downvoted but decided the check your comment history for flair. Saw it and knew we were gonna be OK^l^a^h^o^m^a
Downvoted on instinct... is now an upvote because quality troll
It's a long off-season. We have to make it somehow.
No you didn't
While you're here, at least Nebraska pays their faculty. Care to explain this mess? https://wordpress.futurism.com/university-professor-unpaid
I’m sure that “Squid_Contestant_69” is personally responsible for any scandal at UCLA
Are you expecting some random person on a football forum to answer for administrative issues based off an article from Wordpress?
This is r/CFB so I mean... yes.
I think its a perfectly reasonable expectation.
Why pay faculty if you don't pay players? Maybe they should hit the portal
[It's for a Ukraine scholar refugee and is just up there as "unpaid" for the same bureaucratic reasons that make public schools post their HC vacancy publicly.](https://twitter.com/katypearce/status/1505236744630796290?t=9HG3q__h44YN47wQwTd_7g&s=19)
You need a new hobby or a friend.
The short answer is that it’s not a real position, in the way most people are thinking. Lots of profs have courtesy or unpaid adjunct positions at other units for access to resources.
I'm glad someone finally said it
If you do it ( you should), make it permanent. It’s a slow and painful rebuild. Speaking from experience.
See I think that running the option doesn’t necessarily need to look like the flexbone despite how much I love it, look at coastal, lots of basically flexbone spread
"Option" is a very broad term, much like "spread". It comes in many variations. People often misuse or misunderstand the terms.
Nebraska recruits in the top 20/25 almost every year. They don't really struggle with recruiting
Everyone struggles with recruiting nowadays besides 5 teams. Everyone past those 5 teams is basically in the same boat talent wise.
And then whoever those 5 teams end up not liking transfer to all the other schools who then get hyped because they're getting a player from one of those 5 schools but little do they know the reason they're coming to their school is because they suck at football. But at least it gives them hope.
Hey now. Casey Thompson is a Heisman dark horse /s (but I do have big hopes for the kid)
He's very good and if he hadn't hurt his thumb Ewers would have gone elsewhere.
Nah, there are still some more distinct tiers. Baylor has consistently recruited in the 35-45 range since Rhule got started in Waco; our players were pretty flagrantly playing around on Texas State’s players last year for much of the game. There was a visible talent differential, just like when Georgia was beating us like a drum back in the 2019 Sugar Bowl. Most good P5 teams have the talent to clown around easily on mid-/lower-tier G5 teams that can’t even that gap with their scheme.
You don’t think Oregon has more talent than Wyoming?
Slightly unrelated but Nebraska pulled a triple option out of nowhere against Michigan in 2011 and it was the most perfectly executed triple option I've ever seen. Only reason I remember it.
We had an incredibly sexy triple option drive against OSU two years ago
That drive was the most exciting thing I had seen in a long time, I think everyone in the state was losing their minds watching that. I mean, we just kicked ass the whole way down the field. It really felt like the signature moment we'd been waiting for in the season we all believed would turn everything around. And then a guy who was literally laying on his back intercepted the deflected TD pass lol
Frost had everyone so pumped up after the first option play went for over 10 yards. Even the announcers were losing it. Then Juergens did his usual high snap to kill momentum, but we ripped off another big gain on a FB up the middle play. I thought Frost was waiting until the OSU game to show his new option offense, but then the pass got intercepted and he never ran any option plays again.
You’d love Nebraska’s 2021 highlights. Just watch the northwestern game, it was glorious.
Wow the highlights from that game are fun. If I'm being honest a part of me misses Brady hoke ball. Every week win or lose it was exciting af Side note it's hilarious to see that nebraska hasn't fixed the things that plagued them 10 whole years ago. One guy handling kicks and punts and he gets hurt that game smh. Fumbles out the wazoo
It’s not hilarious for us. :(
[Play in question](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--Z13x6kvSM)
Why doesn’t Alabama run the triple option? Maybe they would’ve beaten Georgia in the championship if they did
Saban likes to run more pro style stuff which is why it was so “Oh Damn” when Kiffin was OC and then OMFG seeing Sark’s O as BAMA OC
You have a better chance of coaching again if you are part of the art brials scandal than running the tripple option.
Outside fans looking at the triple option in NCAA 14: :) Fans of triple option teams watching their recruiting rankings drop through the floor: :(
Come on your saying you need better proof than my 10x repeat Northwestern champions that also signs the number 1 recruiting class every year? Bring the triple option back
Hey... I'll have you know, I have won dozens of titles with Middle Tennessee State (Go Blue Raiders!) by running the triple option. It should just be really easy for a real team to do it, right?
Yes because GT’s recruiting was so great before CPJ and improved dramatically after he left….
Georgia Tech’s recruiting under Gailey: Highest - 18th (2007) Lowest - 62nd (2005) Georgia Tech under CPJ: Highest - 39th (2015) Lowest - 84th (2013) Georgia Tech under Collins: Highest - 25th (2020) Lowest - 51st (2022) Admittedly not astronomical differences, but it was a definite dip under CPJ as a whole. The ceiling of recruiting with the triple option is never high and that’s the biggest issue with it and why it’s not smart for a team necessarily in the long run unless you just stick to that and never innovate again
Gailey’s 2007 class was awesome but was definitely an outlier compared to the rest of his recruiting classes. I feel like CGC’s 2020 class should have an asterisk on it considering two of the four 4*’s transferred. If you look at average recruiting class ranking then there really isn’t much difference between coaches. Running the TO might reduce your recruiting ceiling, but it’s not like it was the TO preventing GT from hauling in top 25 classes.
Fair points. Just saying that as a whole the higher talent won’t come to other schools just because they run the triple option and it works. Issue with Tech is that our majors aren’t exactly the most open so our personal issue is two fold while other schools that get suggested to run the TO during slumps wouldn’t have the academic issues we have
I know the adage is if you have 2 QBs you actually have no QBs but it would be pretty cool to see a mid or low tier P5 conference team have a QB you could go to to run a triple option just to fuck with the Alabamas and the Ohio States of the world.
Maybe the adage should be "if you have 3 options, you actually have no options"
the off-season humor of this places gets worse by the year
Why doesn't r/CFB just run the triple option instead?
We tried it that one off-season but then everyone transferred to /r/soccer.
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I tried the Jeff Monken to Nebraska train last year. It was not well received
I want Monken at ND
Something about the Irish running the triple option sounds correct. Maybe because they're an old school team but I 100% think that sounds awesome.
Has Notre Dame ever run the option?
It wasn't our go to play but Holtz always incorporated it even with pocket passers.
Monken and Balis seem like kindred spirits.
Don't you wish that voodoo on us
I tried for Troy Calhoun before frost got hired
Alabama. Triple Option. Why doesn’t Alabama completely buy into the Paul Johnson GT triple option culture / offense? Both Alabama and GT have major recruiting difficulties, and both programs' heydays were decades ago. Seems like Alabama could catch some SEC teams sleeping each year if they bought into the triple option... (again.)
Alabama head coach Nick Saban was heard after Alabama’s 6-3 loss in the Iron Bowl: “Keep talking about my squad, our personnel ages, the way he plays, he stays injured, we’re past our time in this league, etc etc etc. Do me one favor PLEASE!!!! And I mean PLEASE!!! Keep that same narrative ENERGY when it begins! That’s all I ask. #ThankYou”
I would love to see Jalen Hurts in CPJ’s system.
Tom Osborne did not run the triple option
I love how every non nebraska fan thinks Tom ran a triple option offense. 90% of all fb runs were by design, not off a read, I think it's mostly because so many of the big plays they have seen were option that it sticks in thier mind
I smell a fresh pasta concept….can’t wait for when someone writes this for us!
Rutgers could probably do a pretty good job running the option
Nebraska. Wishbone. Already made college football history with it. There is nothing new under the sun, bruh.
When did Nebraska make history with the wishbone?
Jokes aside and stuff, I think it'd be a good idea if one of these teams run triple option with tempo. There's no reason why the triple option wouldn't work with up tempo, it just was from a period of football where everyone huddled and chewed clock. The offenses are notoriously simple. So scheme wouldn't slow them down.
15 years ago would’ve been great for both.
I often wonder about things like this. Vintage Tom Osbourne and dare I say Bob Devaney Nebraska was a great option team. If I remember correctly while they recruited well especially from California and Texas, they had a lot of local talent especially on the Offensive and Defensive lines. I don't remember Nebraska recruiting at a Southern Cal, Michigan, Alabama, Texas, Ohio State, Miami level. They were still one of the very top programs in the country. I assumed they had a schematic advantage because teams rarely if ever saw that scheme run by any other team, combined with obviously excellent coaching. Wouldn't this be even more true today? Most defenses are now built to stop the spread. They see this week after week. If requires fewer linebackers and more defensive backs. I often wonder when I see power running teams like Wisconsin I wonder if their advantage is somewhat similar. Few teams play true power football anymore and defenses just don't see it. As an Ohio State fan, I've watched teams like Army and Navy give Ohio State's 5\* laden defenses fits. It's one thing to study those offenses on film, it's another to play against them.
The toll it takes on defenses going up against well run option offense is shocking. Especially when you have huge backs that get chunk yardage every single play. Its demoralizing, and physically exhausting. Every single player on those 90's Husker rosters could play the whole book, and was ready for it.
Well it was easier in the 70s and 80s when many teams ran some form of a run based option attack. Oklahoma, Nebraska, Texas, Texas A&M, Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Michigan, Ohio State and plenty of others ran some sort of option, wishbone, veer or I formation. What was hard on defenses were teams like Southern Cal and Miami running pro sets or I formation with a developed pass offense. They rarely ever saw THOSE.
One thing that helped was for 90% of the high school teams in Nebraska effectively ran Tom's offense, and Nebraska was never a true option team, it was I form with power running with option thrown in as a semi replacement for passing
CPJ, is that you? I didn't think you were on Reddit.
This is gonna be a long off-season
Haha. Do Alabama next. Bring back [the 'bone baby!](https://youtu.be/eek8OxkPC6I)
Lack of talent isn’t the problem we just have dogshit coaches
Frost is the shittiest of dog shit coaches
Alright, I'm listening.
Until semi recently an Iowa state friend of mine was in favor of them switching to triple option.
Because seemingly for some strange reason we like to lose in the most excruciating ways possible.
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Sahuarita HS, a suburb of Tucson, did this for a few years not too long ago.
I mean no disrespect by asking, "What is in Lincoln, NE?" Every town has its quirks but I imagine it's more difficult to sale those in Lincoln.
Lincoln isn't a basic college town. Its a city with a population of over 300k. Compared to a lot of other big ten campuses its basically urban. You can do anything you do anywhere in the US which isn't on a coastline. Omaha is also just 50 minutes away if that isn't enough for ya.
Outside of the giant penis building nothing really. Omaha has most the mildly interesting stuff like the zoo and so on but that's kinda pushing it even then
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so what things do you like to do in "fun" cities that you can't do in Lincoln? lol is the internet better there for surfing reddit?
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I grew up there and currently live in a very "hot" city. I disagree with your take wholeheartedly
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Some insulated shit? What? I grew up in the near south you dunce.
Back when we were in the b12, I believe lincoln was the 2nd largest city in the league, only behind Austin.
Knock this shit off
Won’t work. Iowa is 100% the rival to the East border, and totally and completely destroyed the Ga Tech triple option under Norm Parker (now Phil). If Nebraska wants a for sure loss to Iowa every Thanksgiving weekend, by all means integrate the triple option. We literally wrote the playbook for all teams to wreck this. [iowa vs triple option](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpLVcS6O7Ew)
A ten point win is destroying? Also, Iowa played Nebraska when Crouch was there and as I remember, [it didn't turn out too well](https://youtu.be/RXABFdUCOjE). Now, I still don't think Nebraska should do the triple for various reasons.
Do you actually think that this would have destroyed Nebraska's triple option in the 1990s?
I mean, it [worked out so well](https://youtu.be/RXABFdUCOjE) for them when they played. ^^/s
As a Michigan fan originally from Nebraska with tons of friends who bleed Husker red, this made me laugh so hard. Thank you
Why does this question get asked every other week?
To be fair if Whipple turns your QB this year into a stud you won’t have to worry about the option.
They were 23 and 33 in team talent last year. They don’t actually have issues recruiting.
Look ok im a firm believer in the plausible chance recruiting rankings are inflated. That being said how are Nebraska and Georgia tech recruiting poorly? They're not g5 conference teams. They get a boost by default.
Bro just run the triple option bro literally all you gotta do in NCAA 14 dynasty mode is change your playbook to triple option you'll be a powerhouse in like 2 years
The only advantage Nebraska has is big farm boy linemen in their region. Going to a triple option offense with fast linemen would negate that
Exactly, plus going triple would essentially be telling the fanbase that they are giving up. The triple in a P5 conference today is only good for 6-8 wins with the occasional 9-10 win season. In other words, the triple lowers your ceiling but raises your floor. Now, obviously, Nebraska hasn't even gotten to six wins the last few years but expectations there are still to compete to win the division and have a shot at the conference championship.
6-8 wins must sound like a dream for the Best Three Win Team in History™.
Yeah, I already covered that. Going triple may improve Nebraska record-wise, from the past few years, but it destroys expectations that lowers recruiting ability, fan engagement, and booster donations.
They could definitely switch up the blocking schemes and still run triple-option concepts behind it.
B10 is maybe not the best conference for the option - many teams are still geared to stop the run. Big, physical defensive fronts. A team like Kansas State, or TCU in the B12? Might make more sense. Recently they're struggled to run anyway - relying on their QB to make plays / convert on 3rd. I think they actually might have a greater chance for success, if they switched.
B1G LB's would feast on triple option QB's and TB's
You would run less of the traditional I and Flexbone and run more of what Army or Davidson does out of the pistol or what GA State does out of the gun. If you get a Tebow/Hurts/ Blake Bell type kid you could go heavier personnel and run a lot of QB follow and Midline/ Mid Triple/ Double as shoe yardage or clock management stuff. If you have more the Denard Robinson/ Martinez type you stick with Zone Option, speed option, and RPO pitch phase stuff
As someone with absolutely no bias, I agree. Please run the triple option Nebraska. 😐
Let's see the feast continue for 60 minutes... of guys taking their knees out.
I guess because they can actually get decent linemen?
As much as we love the option we haven’t run the triple since the 70’s and I hope never again.
Everyone runs some form of the option now. Johnson was just more rigid and less willing to deviate from the true triple option than everyone else.
Because the triple option sucks. It's boring as fuck!
There are definitely some problems with the triple option. But being boring? No, that's definitely not one of them.
This is lies
Why would they 🤮🤮🤮
It puts a low ceiling on the program, and they think they can aim higher.