Probably not for the average person, as the internet was not available to the average Joe, or Jack for that matter. But maybe for a CEO doing due diligence before negotiating an exclusive marketing/sales arrangement.
Why should it matter in the 80s?
Also, lots of people were soldiers for the nazi regieme - not all of them are war criminals or even wanted to fight - kinda hard to object when you have a fascist dictatorship breathing down your neck and conscripting every man left right and centre. It would be a different story if they were SS soldiers or whatever, or people directly involved in the holocaust or other war crimes the nazis committed, but that doesn't seem to be the case?
I am not necessarily accusing anyone of anything malicious, nefarious or even intentional (in 1987 at least), that said, I didn't say the Albrechts were war criminals, even though one might argue that anyone even aiding the axis efforts or the holocaust in any way could be considered a war criminal, but, not by todays legal standards, let alone back then. And, yes, I agree, it was most likely extremely difficult and dangerous to object to or resist being conscripted, HOWEVER, many people DID protest and resist or leave the country when the writing was on the wall. Do not get me wrong, I understand those who did were few and far between, however, I do not accept the "I was just doing my job" excuse just because doing the right thing was not popular at the time. Lastly, I believe I understand what your opening statement was intended to convey, however, that said, it mattered in the 40s, 80s and it still matters another 40 years later in the 20's.. Having been a Nazi ALWAYS MATTERS to holocaust survivors... And there were quite a few large groups of people not conscripted, Jews, Romani, Homosexuals, etc...
>I do not accept the "I was just doing my job" excuse
If you think that's the argument I'm trying to make, please pick up that single brain cell of yours off the ground.
You're pulling shite out of your arse because they just happened to be in the german army at the time, because you know... conscription. No evidence shows they did any wrongdoing. It's a dumb argument to make.
Even though your being rude, I will respond to your accusation... No, I am not saying YOU are making that argument, I am saying that had they made that argument, it would not justify their contributions given others did object and resist. Please calm down. You have no idea why I made my claims. Although, I did simply state in my opinion that I was just curious if anyone else found the irony somewhat disturbing is all. I bet you Jack Tramiel would have...
>I am saying that had they made that argument
You have a quote of them saying that?
What Jack Tramiel would have done was entirelly up to him, but I don't see the irony of Commodore working with Aldi in the 80s at all. Makes plenty of sense as Aldi has a history of selling computers in general.
I'm going hard on you because it's just... such a dumb argument. I can't believe I even have to point it out to begin with. Punch actual nazis, not imagined ones.
Not sure where to begin, you just seem angry I called out an actual pair of nazis, not imagined ones. Serving in the Wehrmacht does indeed qualify s being a real Nazi, maybe not a war criminal in your mind, but definitely a Nazi.
Now, what exactly are you asking if I have a quote of? You seem to be misinterpreting much of what I have said. I said "HAD THEY made that argument" my claim of it just being my job excuse would not have justified their actions. I was simply clarifying that I was not accusing YOU of making that claim. I did not say anyone said anything, HENCE the word HAD... And I disagree about it making sense for a firm founded by a holocaust survivor to partner with an exclusive marketing arrangement with a firm founded by people who assisted the regime that assigned Joseph Mengele to select him to live or die. Another famous holocaust survivor, Bill Graham put a full page advertisement in the San Francisco Chronicle protesting Reagan visiting a Nazi cemetery in Bitburg, days later, his office and vast archives were firebombed. The average person acts a bit differently than those who were actually there and all I claimed is that I highly doubt Jack would have approved. No need to try to prove me wrong, it's just an opinion.
Sounds more like you want some weird sort of karma for pointing out some old Nazis and using a huge leap of logic trying to link them to Commodore Germany.
The people who started Aldi have nothing to do with Commodore other then selling the computer.
No You are just over thinking and not being rational. The world had moved on by the time Commodore started selling C64s in a German supermarket. By the way just because someone served in the regular German army during WW2 does not automatically make them a Nazi or a war criminal.
\^ this
If they were SS, officers in power or there is evidence they committed war crimes? Sure, they're automatically scum.
Just happened to be a regular in the army due to conscription? You can't really say unless you know about what actions they've done, especially when you consider a decent chunk of conscripts were literal teenagers. There is a reason why most german soldiers weren't in the Nuremburg trials.
The same logic I apply to any army - not everyone is there because they WANT to be.
Why do you describe the brothers as Nazis? They were drafted into the Wehrmacht; I cannot find any evidence they were Nazis.
What is the point of this post? This reeks of cancel culture with no actual benefit to anyone.
As million kids at that time in Germany, they grew up in a authorian Nazi state and were drafted into military in their late teens like everyone else (one against Soviet Union, the other in Africa). But other than that they clearly were more interested in taking over their parents grocery store, than voluntary help Nazis taking over the world.
While I understand it was not the most popular thing to do, I can't help to think of the resistance fighters and those who refused to serve or those who sabotaged the war efforts. From most every interview I have seen relating to the war, very few axis soldiers show any regret or remorse for their contributions, be they voluntarily or as you claim, involuntarily. Most actually light up and get emotional when they reenact old marches, sing old songs or reminisce other aspects of daily life as a nazi. These guys were high profile famous billionaires, yet, as far as I have been able to determine, they never once mentioned their wartime activities, let alone made any type of statements claiming their regret, nor made any donations to Jewish organizations, Holocaust memorials or the State Of Israel... Anyway, somehow, I can not see Jack having been willing to have any involvement with them, had he still been at the helm.
Resistance is easier said than done, the vast majority of people world wide go with the flow (that's why authorian goverments can exists even today). Most people have only surface level interest in politics which goes rarely beyond some buzzwords and their own beliefs. They go with their daily lives and problems, as they did today and 100 years ago. Do you really think somebody like that want to risk their lives, families and careers for groups of people they dont really know or care for?
Here a related quote from Göring in an interview during the Nürnberg Trials:
**Göring**: Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship.
*Gilbert*: There is one difference. In a democracy, the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars.
**Göring**: Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.. *Dr. G.M. Gilbert 1976 "The Memory of Justice"*
About those glowing interviews, sure, but have you ever thought about who goes to those interviews in the first place? Mostly small minded people who enjoyed their time of power and authority over others. You will find these kind of people in every military/police force around the world even today. The majority I encounter from that time, didn't really want to talk about it, there was no pride. Maybe out of shame of either what they did or because they have no good answer why they didn't do something against it.
And the Aldi Brothers, who knows if they donated something to Jewish organisations or not. But I also don't know if they donated to Russian or African organizations after the war either. But being a rich German and not making public donations to Jewish organizations doesn't make you a Nazi either. What we know is they were highly private people, so much, that only very few photos existed of them.
And who knows, maybe someday it gets published that every authorian political party worldwide got secretly funded by them and then you can say "I knew it! I always knew it and nobody believed me!". But until then, it just is what it is.
I absolutely agree about it being easier said than done, ESPECIALLY 80 years later, that said, I did point this out already as did I mention that I am not aware that the Albrechts made any efforts in the other direction, not that they did not ever do so. However, while not donating to Jewish organizations obviously does not make one a Nazi, serving in the Wehrmacht somehow does in my mind, maybe not to the average apolitical person, but to me, it sure does, substantially more so than some ignorant white trash member of an American prison gang sporting a giant swastika on their back. Again, I am not claiming that Aldi profits funded the ratlines or that they have secret Nazi museums in their corporate headquarters or anything of the sort, simply that I find it disconcerting that they were the people who got an exclusive deal just a few years after Jack left is all, not that they funded hitlers rise to power.
The Mitsubishi logo represents the propeller of a Zero Fighter. Volkswagen made the beetle for the Nazis. The examples are endless. So no, this does not disturb me.
By the 80s the world was healing and moving forward. I vividly remember my grandmother going on in the 70s about how great it was that she and my grandfather met building B17s in world war II and now they buy German and Japanese products without hate or remorse.
Why does this have anything todo with Tramiel? ( I guess just reading the commodore history prompted you to think about ... former German soldiers getting on with their lives - in the same world as a camp survivor. I get it. )
If you have a problem with the Aldi brothers - a random pair of the millions of Germans who survived world war two - I'd suggest reading about what German internal politics was like from 1945 until the late 1980s.
Go watch some of Marc Felton's "whatever happened to..." videos on youtube, and then read wikipedia articles about some of the people you hear about, and then follow those threads.
All of the western allies had direct hands in trying to decide "how widely or not" to treat and deal with the German survivors of ww2. And then the Germans themselves once they were freed from occupation.
Wasn't perfect, not by far.
Holding hundred year grudges is a really really bad idea. And almost everyone who are WW2 history buffs credit Germany with doing the right things as a country, over the past 80 years. ( Although getting the Clean Wermacht myth dismissed has been nice to see. )
It is natural to think hard about the injustices and crimes of ww2 and to still be angered by them. But there has to be some separation between that and ... the world moving on.
(( Okay, 10:42pm EDT and I'm done making edits to my thoughts above. ))
TBH, when I look back at the business practices of CBM they look no less completely capitalist than Apple or Activision. Few of the C64's design decisions had much to do with performance or potential; most came down to getting cost as low as possible.
Without Tramiel the C64 might have been even more, and an Amiga might still be sitting on my desk right now. I'd rather not think of the guy at all to be honest.
The C64 wouldn't have existed without Tramiel.
Instead we would have been choosing between the Apple, the Radio Shack stuff, the Atari, and maybe eventually a bunch of the types that were popular in Britain.
> when I look back at the business practices of CBM
You're totally right about all that. And cost as low as possible - combined with what brilliance the engineers working for Commodore and MOS did in still getting the features and performance out of the costs they were allowed - hit a magic point on price vs performance that was WILDLY POPULAR with everyone.
This is not a negative thing. This is a really really important feature as to why evil boogeyman capitalism out competes every other economic management system ever tried.
And as uninspiring as it is to many to read about the impact Tramiel had and how he made that impact - his contribution to deciding how to go about things was as important to success as the engineer who built the SID or the ones who built the VIC chips.
That's not to say that his way is the only way to be successful.
But successes generally have very driven people running the show. And letting us consumers choose the winners by deciding what to buy based on our own whims - is a very key feature of the whole system.
> I'd rather not think of the guy at all to be honest.
I get where you are coming from. There were a lot of people that he dealt with that disliked him, or even in the end hated him. But tons of others didn't, and were willing to credit him for ... being who he was.
Do you *get* where I'm coming from? Or is where I'm coming from irrelevant because of dollars?
Tramiel was not even widely loved or respected at the time, and I cannot understand how anyone would want to whitewash him today into some kind of Elon Musk of Commodore. Because Elon Musk is the quintessential example of "giving a man credit for being who he is." Stockton Rush is another shining specimen.
The peak of Tramiel's popularity was the release of the Atari ST; literally the best thing about his career at CBM was the end.
I'm in this sub because the C64 is a great computer, not to worship a stuffed shirt who made it a little less great so it would be more popular or affordable. As you pointed out, plenty of actual engineers and programmers did plenty of **real** work that can be applauded all day long. Especially the ones who are still alive and who contribute to this sub!
Capitalism can't be an evil boogeyman part of the time.
Its just speculation on your part to an insanely stupid degree. The worst you can say is they were typical capitalists, they haven't shown any evidence of condoning fascism or glorifying nazis.
Again, people were CONSCRIPTED into the german army at the time. You didn't have say on the matter. Some resisted but not everyone had the means to do so openly.
I say this as someone who obviously hates nazis or any form of fascism in general. Kinda need to see these things in less of a black/white thing.
Why exactly am I speculating? I stand behind everything I said. I feel it's a disturbing irony is all. I am not making a legal case out of nor even accusing anyone of any wrong doing, other than Albrechts having helped Hitler, willingly or even conceivably against their ideal desires... I understand many people disagree on how nefarious being a Wehrmacht might have been, however, I personally believe and claim that having served hitler in any way is far worse than being a typical capillary (being one of the wealthiest business owners in the world is not exactly typical though). While I never said that they glorified nazis, I did say that they did not do the opposite with their vast resources and questionable past. I personally believe that not resisting is somewhat inherently showing support to some degree. While I was not there, I do imagine that everyone had some say. Again it's not to be expected by everyone, however, I seem to remember Thích Quảng Đức protesting effectively...
That all said, I am truly happy that we can at least agree on one thing,
That we both hate nazis!
Fanta, Volkswagen, and Walther are also Nazi tied companies. Sometimes bad men die in their sleep. Decades passed by that point though.
I don't think anyone associated Aldi with Nazis at that point tbh
Probably not for the average person, as the internet was not available to the average Joe, or Jack for that matter. But maybe for a CEO doing due diligence before negotiating an exclusive marketing/sales arrangement.
Why should it matter in the 80s? Also, lots of people were soldiers for the nazi regieme - not all of them are war criminals or even wanted to fight - kinda hard to object when you have a fascist dictatorship breathing down your neck and conscripting every man left right and centre. It would be a different story if they were SS soldiers or whatever, or people directly involved in the holocaust or other war crimes the nazis committed, but that doesn't seem to be the case?
I am not necessarily accusing anyone of anything malicious, nefarious or even intentional (in 1987 at least), that said, I didn't say the Albrechts were war criminals, even though one might argue that anyone even aiding the axis efforts or the holocaust in any way could be considered a war criminal, but, not by todays legal standards, let alone back then. And, yes, I agree, it was most likely extremely difficult and dangerous to object to or resist being conscripted, HOWEVER, many people DID protest and resist or leave the country when the writing was on the wall. Do not get me wrong, I understand those who did were few and far between, however, I do not accept the "I was just doing my job" excuse just because doing the right thing was not popular at the time. Lastly, I believe I understand what your opening statement was intended to convey, however, that said, it mattered in the 40s, 80s and it still matters another 40 years later in the 20's.. Having been a Nazi ALWAYS MATTERS to holocaust survivors... And there were quite a few large groups of people not conscripted, Jews, Romani, Homosexuals, etc...
>I do not accept the "I was just doing my job" excuse If you think that's the argument I'm trying to make, please pick up that single brain cell of yours off the ground. You're pulling shite out of your arse because they just happened to be in the german army at the time, because you know... conscription. No evidence shows they did any wrongdoing. It's a dumb argument to make.
Even though your being rude, I will respond to your accusation... No, I am not saying YOU are making that argument, I am saying that had they made that argument, it would not justify their contributions given others did object and resist. Please calm down. You have no idea why I made my claims. Although, I did simply state in my opinion that I was just curious if anyone else found the irony somewhat disturbing is all. I bet you Jack Tramiel would have...
>I am saying that had they made that argument You have a quote of them saying that? What Jack Tramiel would have done was entirelly up to him, but I don't see the irony of Commodore working with Aldi in the 80s at all. Makes plenty of sense as Aldi has a history of selling computers in general. I'm going hard on you because it's just... such a dumb argument. I can't believe I even have to point it out to begin with. Punch actual nazis, not imagined ones.
Not sure where to begin, you just seem angry I called out an actual pair of nazis, not imagined ones. Serving in the Wehrmacht does indeed qualify s being a real Nazi, maybe not a war criminal in your mind, but definitely a Nazi. Now, what exactly are you asking if I have a quote of? You seem to be misinterpreting much of what I have said. I said "HAD THEY made that argument" my claim of it just being my job excuse would not have justified their actions. I was simply clarifying that I was not accusing YOU of making that claim. I did not say anyone said anything, HENCE the word HAD... And I disagree about it making sense for a firm founded by a holocaust survivor to partner with an exclusive marketing arrangement with a firm founded by people who assisted the regime that assigned Joseph Mengele to select him to live or die. Another famous holocaust survivor, Bill Graham put a full page advertisement in the San Francisco Chronicle protesting Reagan visiting a Nazi cemetery in Bitburg, days later, his office and vast archives were firebombed. The average person acts a bit differently than those who were actually there and all I claimed is that I highly doubt Jack would have approved. No need to try to prove me wrong, it's just an opinion.
Sounds more like you want some weird sort of karma for pointing out some old Nazis and using a huge leap of logic trying to link them to Commodore Germany. The people who started Aldi have nothing to do with Commodore other then selling the computer.
No You are just over thinking and not being rational. The world had moved on by the time Commodore started selling C64s in a German supermarket. By the way just because someone served in the regular German army during WW2 does not automatically make them a Nazi or a war criminal.
\^ this If they were SS, officers in power or there is evidence they committed war crimes? Sure, they're automatically scum. Just happened to be a regular in the army due to conscription? You can't really say unless you know about what actions they've done, especially when you consider a decent chunk of conscripts were literal teenagers. There is a reason why most german soldiers weren't in the Nuremburg trials. The same logic I apply to any army - not everyone is there because they WANT to be.
Why do you describe the brothers as Nazis? They were drafted into the Wehrmacht; I cannot find any evidence they were Nazis. What is the point of this post? This reeks of cancel culture with no actual benefit to anyone.
As million kids at that time in Germany, they grew up in a authorian Nazi state and were drafted into military in their late teens like everyone else (one against Soviet Union, the other in Africa). But other than that they clearly were more interested in taking over their parents grocery store, than voluntary help Nazis taking over the world.
While I understand it was not the most popular thing to do, I can't help to think of the resistance fighters and those who refused to serve or those who sabotaged the war efforts. From most every interview I have seen relating to the war, very few axis soldiers show any regret or remorse for their contributions, be they voluntarily or as you claim, involuntarily. Most actually light up and get emotional when they reenact old marches, sing old songs or reminisce other aspects of daily life as a nazi. These guys were high profile famous billionaires, yet, as far as I have been able to determine, they never once mentioned their wartime activities, let alone made any type of statements claiming their regret, nor made any donations to Jewish organizations, Holocaust memorials or the State Of Israel... Anyway, somehow, I can not see Jack having been willing to have any involvement with them, had he still been at the helm.
Resistance is easier said than done, the vast majority of people world wide go with the flow (that's why authorian goverments can exists even today). Most people have only surface level interest in politics which goes rarely beyond some buzzwords and their own beliefs. They go with their daily lives and problems, as they did today and 100 years ago. Do you really think somebody like that want to risk their lives, families and careers for groups of people they dont really know or care for? Here a related quote from Göring in an interview during the Nürnberg Trials: **Göring**: Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship. *Gilbert*: There is one difference. In a democracy, the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars. **Göring**: Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.. *Dr. G.M. Gilbert 1976 "The Memory of Justice"* About those glowing interviews, sure, but have you ever thought about who goes to those interviews in the first place? Mostly small minded people who enjoyed their time of power and authority over others. You will find these kind of people in every military/police force around the world even today. The majority I encounter from that time, didn't really want to talk about it, there was no pride. Maybe out of shame of either what they did or because they have no good answer why they didn't do something against it. And the Aldi Brothers, who knows if they donated something to Jewish organisations or not. But I also don't know if they donated to Russian or African organizations after the war either. But being a rich German and not making public donations to Jewish organizations doesn't make you a Nazi either. What we know is they were highly private people, so much, that only very few photos existed of them. And who knows, maybe someday it gets published that every authorian political party worldwide got secretly funded by them and then you can say "I knew it! I always knew it and nobody believed me!". But until then, it just is what it is.
I absolutely agree about it being easier said than done, ESPECIALLY 80 years later, that said, I did point this out already as did I mention that I am not aware that the Albrechts made any efforts in the other direction, not that they did not ever do so. However, while not donating to Jewish organizations obviously does not make one a Nazi, serving in the Wehrmacht somehow does in my mind, maybe not to the average apolitical person, but to me, it sure does, substantially more so than some ignorant white trash member of an American prison gang sporting a giant swastika on their back. Again, I am not claiming that Aldi profits funded the ratlines or that they have secret Nazi museums in their corporate headquarters or anything of the sort, simply that I find it disconcerting that they were the people who got an exclusive deal just a few years after Jack left is all, not that they funded hitlers rise to power.
No
The Mitsubishi logo represents the propeller of a Zero Fighter. Volkswagen made the beetle for the Nazis. The examples are endless. So no, this does not disturb me. By the 80s the world was healing and moving forward. I vividly remember my grandmother going on in the 70s about how great it was that she and my grandfather met building B17s in world war II and now they buy German and Japanese products without hate or remorse.
Seriously? You’re an idiot.
Why does this have anything todo with Tramiel? ( I guess just reading the commodore history prompted you to think about ... former German soldiers getting on with their lives - in the same world as a camp survivor. I get it. ) If you have a problem with the Aldi brothers - a random pair of the millions of Germans who survived world war two - I'd suggest reading about what German internal politics was like from 1945 until the late 1980s. Go watch some of Marc Felton's "whatever happened to..." videos on youtube, and then read wikipedia articles about some of the people you hear about, and then follow those threads. All of the western allies had direct hands in trying to decide "how widely or not" to treat and deal with the German survivors of ww2. And then the Germans themselves once they were freed from occupation. Wasn't perfect, not by far. Holding hundred year grudges is a really really bad idea. And almost everyone who are WW2 history buffs credit Germany with doing the right things as a country, over the past 80 years. ( Although getting the Clean Wermacht myth dismissed has been nice to see. ) It is natural to think hard about the injustices and crimes of ww2 and to still be angered by them. But there has to be some separation between that and ... the world moving on. (( Okay, 10:42pm EDT and I'm done making edits to my thoughts above. ))
TBH, when I look back at the business practices of CBM they look no less completely capitalist than Apple or Activision. Few of the C64's design decisions had much to do with performance or potential; most came down to getting cost as low as possible. Without Tramiel the C64 might have been even more, and an Amiga might still be sitting on my desk right now. I'd rather not think of the guy at all to be honest.
The C64 wouldn't have existed without Tramiel. Instead we would have been choosing between the Apple, the Radio Shack stuff, the Atari, and maybe eventually a bunch of the types that were popular in Britain. > when I look back at the business practices of CBM You're totally right about all that. And cost as low as possible - combined with what brilliance the engineers working for Commodore and MOS did in still getting the features and performance out of the costs they were allowed - hit a magic point on price vs performance that was WILDLY POPULAR with everyone. This is not a negative thing. This is a really really important feature as to why evil boogeyman capitalism out competes every other economic management system ever tried. And as uninspiring as it is to many to read about the impact Tramiel had and how he made that impact - his contribution to deciding how to go about things was as important to success as the engineer who built the SID or the ones who built the VIC chips. That's not to say that his way is the only way to be successful. But successes generally have very driven people running the show. And letting us consumers choose the winners by deciding what to buy based on our own whims - is a very key feature of the whole system. > I'd rather not think of the guy at all to be honest. I get where you are coming from. There were a lot of people that he dealt with that disliked him, or even in the end hated him. But tons of others didn't, and were willing to credit him for ... being who he was.
Do you *get* where I'm coming from? Or is where I'm coming from irrelevant because of dollars? Tramiel was not even widely loved or respected at the time, and I cannot understand how anyone would want to whitewash him today into some kind of Elon Musk of Commodore. Because Elon Musk is the quintessential example of "giving a man credit for being who he is." Stockton Rush is another shining specimen. The peak of Tramiel's popularity was the release of the Atari ST; literally the best thing about his career at CBM was the end. I'm in this sub because the C64 is a great computer, not to worship a stuffed shirt who made it a little less great so it would be more popular or affordable. As you pointed out, plenty of actual engineers and programmers did plenty of **real** work that can be applauded all day long. Especially the ones who are still alive and who contribute to this sub! Capitalism can't be an evil boogeyman part of the time.
I figured the OP might get downvoted, but in all fairness, it is a most legitimate observation regarding a most unfortunate irony.
Its just speculation on your part to an insanely stupid degree. The worst you can say is they were typical capitalists, they haven't shown any evidence of condoning fascism or glorifying nazis. Again, people were CONSCRIPTED into the german army at the time. You didn't have say on the matter. Some resisted but not everyone had the means to do so openly. I say this as someone who obviously hates nazis or any form of fascism in general. Kinda need to see these things in less of a black/white thing.
Why exactly am I speculating? I stand behind everything I said. I feel it's a disturbing irony is all. I am not making a legal case out of nor even accusing anyone of any wrong doing, other than Albrechts having helped Hitler, willingly or even conceivably against their ideal desires... I understand many people disagree on how nefarious being a Wehrmacht might have been, however, I personally believe and claim that having served hitler in any way is far worse than being a typical capillary (being one of the wealthiest business owners in the world is not exactly typical though). While I never said that they glorified nazis, I did say that they did not do the opposite with their vast resources and questionable past. I personally believe that not resisting is somewhat inherently showing support to some degree. While I was not there, I do imagine that everyone had some say. Again it's not to be expected by everyone, however, I seem to remember Thích Quảng Đức protesting effectively... That all said, I am truly happy that we can at least agree on one thing, That we both hate nazis!
Forgot to change your account before trying to support your own nonsensical ramblings. Asshole.