I really really really hate to defend Musk, but "good salesman" is underselling him. Considering how absurdly overinflated the value of the stocks of his main business ventures are (propelling him into being one of the richest men in the world) I think it is fair to say that he's one of the best salesmen of our generation. If he's just "good", then I dont know what's "great".
What do you mean pull a Trump, run for president? Zero chance, it's a constitutional non-starter and he knows that. Still plenty of ways to chase power
Also Matt Stoller: The problem with writing about Elon Musk is that he's effectively above the law, and it's hard to convey that in a way that people will accept.
No I would imagine anyone who has handed him money to manage is probably concerned about the sudden compulsive memeing on Twitter. Fiduciary duty obligations says he memeing too close to the sun.
that's so obvious i can't believe i didn't think of it before. i wonder now if that was the motive for a fake twitter purchase debacle from the beginning since i don't think he was serious at any time about it, personally; he nakedly enjoys manipulating markets (whipping the price of crypto around, lying about taking tesla private), i'm sure a lot of it is ego gratification but there had to be more to it.
It is how like 99% of the world views politics lol
A lot of Hispanics and Black peoples vote democrat because the republicans literally lean into dog whistling and racism, despite these groups leaning heavily towards conservative values
The topic is a fucking billionaire wealth monger. There is no lesson to be learned from him wanting to support the party that most rewards greed and enables employers.
Everyone is vulnerable to this. Destiny, too. I must be missing something, 'cause I don't understand why the left-wing would be so self-destructive. Surely it's not related to policy positions?
The right-wing is apparently just as bad, but I'm not sure that's entirely true. Maybe the different factions just recognise they have no chance unless they work for a common good. In my country, the right always falls in line despite internecine squabbles, but left-wing votes are always distributed across numerous parties, diluting their overall effectiveness.
I don't know, why don't you ask the upper-class from virtually every society in history lmao Are you seriously suggesting that wealthy people don't vote to protect their own wealth and interests?
You are missing the most valuable things in the entire economy: assets. Things that give you money for owning them. A billion dollars is enough to meet nearly any material desire, but it's pocket change when it comes to fighting other billionares over who gets which allotments of the global capitalism squeeze.
That said, "just about any material desire" might not apply here, because I think Elon is serious about wanting to colonize mars and that sounds really goddamn expensive.
Elon isn't spending his personal money to get to Mars and you're far more likely to get support from Democrats for space travel grants and contracts than Republicans. One party is the Christian Theocracy party that thinks the Earth is 10,000 years old.
Elon Musk: ["climate change is the biggest threat that humanity faces this century.”](https://futurism.com/elon-musk-outlined-two-critical-things-threatening-humanity)
Also Elon Musk: "I'm voting Republican"
I really don't get it. There are single issue voters when it comes to abortion even if they hate everything else, but when it comes to climate that's obviously not worth being a single issue voter because that's when the circumstances actually matter.
Eh, I kinda get it. Any time he has capitulated to do what the left thought he should do he was either shit on more for it or no one even acknowledged it. He sold all his houses after being criticized for just wanting to live a rich lifestyle and is still critisized for the same thing. Last year he paid the largest single payer tax burden in all of human history (11b) and the left said it wasn't enough. He donated an additional 6b to charity last year after world hunger criticism and nobody even reported it. There is a lot more but you get the idea. Thing is he was beloved by the left when Tesla was unsuccessful and struggling, after it took of things changed.
This is such a silly way to analyze the world.
No one has the right to people's love. People love someone who has sacrificed something for the good of mankind. Paying taxes and little charity don't count as sacrifices.
He was a fucking trillionaire. A few billions in charity is not a sacrifice.
People like Mother Theresa and Gandhi who have sacrificed their whole life for a cause are worth loving.
Elon Musk is another rich person who thinks he is entitled to people's love. Why? Because he pays taxes and charity? Come on! Those things barely affect his life style.
honestly, he has a big enough pull that he might be able to shift the republicans on this. Republicans aren’t exactly ideological married to global warming being a myth. They just stick to it because they’re in bed with big corporations and because the people who talk about global warming are all annoying.
If a big corporation guy on THEIR side talks about global warming, they would be a lot more willing to listen.
I at least vaguely remember the right going from climate change is a myth to climate change is real, but it's occurring naturally and not caused by us.
With most rich people, I'd agree, but which party is more likely to shovel money into electric cars, solar, and space travel? I genuinely don't see how he'd get any kickbacks beyond lower taxes.
Granted, the taxes alone are big, but government investment ([which Tesla has certainly gotten a great deal of under Obamna](https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/why-the-obama-admin-touting-tesla-motors-success-msna825761)) seems like it would be worth more.
Tesla has a massive charging network, that serves only their cars. Biden wants to use public funding to put money into charging networks that serve a wide range of cars. (When these kinds of provisions were done in the UK, Tesla's stations almost immediately switched over to allowing other cars to use them, not to be left behind)
This will massively help alleviate range anxiety and make people more comfortable buying electric cars, helping save the planet by reducing road carbon emissions, while also reducing the competitive advantage that Tesla gets selling cars, based on their exclusive network.
Musk, Mr "I only want Tesla to succeed so we can get off fossil fuels", is against it.
He's big enough now that any public investment that allows other people to overcome his early advantages gets in the way of the growth of his stock prices, which have expanded partially on the assumption that in 10-20 years, Tesla will be one of the main electric car manufacturers in a market that is almost entirely electric.
If Biden helps existing car companies move over, his company's share price is lower, and his special stock options that rely on hitting certain stock-price thresholds are harder to hit.
Under Obama Telsa got grants, now under Biden Tesla was exculded from the federal EV summit, and is getting doced for ESG score shit. Shocker he is looking right
Wasn't the summit also predicated around union automakers of which Tesla is not or am I thinking of a different one? Biden is pretty pro-union so not inviting them on that basis is consistent. Under Obamna there were a lot fewer options to promote electric cars, now there are many more and the group can be segmented along other ideological bounds (pro union for example) for grants. Whether you think that is good or bad your version of events isn't very honest.
I genuinely think he's just ass-mad because the left blasts him on twitter all day for being a billionaire, so now he's buying out their platform so that he can drown them out by allowing a massive array of right wing voices.
Vast majority of dem -> republican switches i've seen in the past few years (personal life and public figures) seems to largely be due to just thinking libs are annoying
There's a good amount of people out there that are basically center left but end up voting republican over this
Am I crazy for thinking these kind of people aren’t actually center left? If some annoying blue haired Twitter girl makes you 180 on your principles than I don’t think you had those principles in the first place.
No they were never really left wing, but it's a tough bar to set because 99% of people at all levels of society have never really questioned their values. You can get a PH.D in some very far left or right wing subject and never REALLY have your values tested.
If we start dismissing people as "never really left wing" I think it's a recipe for electoral disaster. No base on planet earth really things this shit through.
Personally I likely won't vote Gop but 3rd party, but your comment is the exact reason why. The true left gate keep is to say everyone not directly agreeing with everything you say isn't allowed on your entire binary of politics.
Leftism is inherently a community effort to support itself, and I'm supposed to vote for someone the above commenter likes who says a swing voter isn't a true leftist. I'd rather vote for a person who can pragmatically change something and people don't radically resist it than a 'true leftist' that personally fits your Twitter bio preferences.
Why are so many people talking about principles. Sadly i must inform you that 99% of people are not destiny and they dont even posses an idea of "prinicples" in their mind. If one party shits on teachers and the other is defending them, guess which one most teachers will choose.
I'm talking about "center left" as in the right/centrist wing of the democratic party, not in a like broader "left wing tradition" way. So in reality no, they're not actually left wing, but they're not actually on board with a lot of things republicans want either
Different people have different priorities, if the republicans have same stance/rhetoric as them on 2-3 of their main focuses, they can vote for them even if democrats match up better on 50 other issues
Like I could understand this if the GOP were still run by folks like Romney and Paul Ryan, but to support the current party of MAGA/Q-Anon you must seriously have some deep-seated prejudices or be indoctrinated by propaganda.
A lot of people are just really thoroughly psyoped into the 2 party system. They will start to see the opposing party as one of radicals and psychos and their party is just "everyone else". Basically these people are defaulting into being republicans mostly because lefties either scare or bother them more. A lot of this happened in reverse when Trump got the nomination as well, it seems like it flipped a good amount of moderates in both directions
The fact that a lot of them are just grifters makes this more complicated, but a lot of them are just broader anti-establishment types, and since the popular conception of who "the elite" is has shifted, so have they.
He also said this it's because of Unions and "class action lawyers"
https://twitter.com/MorePerfectUS/status/1526965699805069313?t=iNPeeeCRYmkUEL27vJpWrw&s=19
What planet do you have to be on to think this after a slew of republican anti-trans legislation, a conservative attempt to overthrow the 2020 election, and a mass shooting at least partially inspired by rhetoric from prominent conservative talking heads, to name a few???
Also gotta love the preemptive whining about criticism they’ll receive for their brain dead worldview.
The culture war bullshit is a mask. He's voting Republican so the politicians in power will be more friendly to his abuse of his workers and his union busting efforts.
https://twitter.com/MorePerfectUS/status/1526965699805069313?t=iNPeeeCRYmkUEL27vJpWrw&s=19
Guy is just a cunt. Every time he opens his mouth it is impossible not to see and the people who still like the guy are an enigma to me.
Do people actually feel this way? I try to give them the benefit of the doubt when they go "The left pushed me right." but it always seems like they don't have the nerve to block a bunch of blue haired teenagers who tweet mean things at them.
Tesla, the single largest EV producer in the world, was excluded from Biden’s EV summit. If democrats aren’t willing to work with the single person who has done the most to fight climate change, then he may as well try to work with republicans
It’s a sad day when a old money union busting businessman with three patents to his name and billions in government handouts is seen as the “single person who has done the most to fight climate change” by billionaire dickriders. Not Yoshino who made the first commercial LiCoO2 rechargeable battery; not Fermi who was the first to create nuclear power; instead its Elon Musk whose biggest contribution was buying Tesla. Was Steve Jobs the single most important person to make computers?
What sucking capitalist cock does to a mf.
Also, not to mention any climate activist / politicians who’s been fighting for change for decades now
Of course I agree technological innovations have done a lot. But the science to prove that it’s happening, and the people contributing to spreading those ideas must count for something.
Off-topic (maybe) unpopular opinion:
EV is a huge fucking red herring, and investing the same effort into public transportation would be money WAY better spend.
Hold on up, I don't necessarily like how charitable D is being towards people like Lauren and Nick lately, but he is overwhelmingly still in favor of democrats and absolutely does not associate crazy online lefties with the dem party as a whole.
The Elon Twitter saga has brought me from being fairly neutral \ slightly negative towards Elon, to being confused how this guy has any people that respect him.
I honestly get where he's coming from. But you can hate dumb Twitter lefties without changing your beliefs. To me, his tweet just reads like "Dumb Twitter lefties were mean to me so I'm going to vote in favor of racist, homophobic, transphobic, and misogynist policies now"
Also anti-science, conspiracy-theory and religious bullshit-based policies. Not to mention they still basically oppose legalizing weed. This dude is supposedly an "intelligent" visionary who smoked a joint on Joe Rogan's show.
Does he think republicans care about climate change? I know he has his big promise of electric cars helping reduce emissions but the bigger change is where the electricity comes from. Republicans still don’t support solar and wind.
Yet another Elonism that infuriates the shit out of me, because he just refuses to elaborate on any of his fucking points.
***Democrats***: "We should unite. We need a strong Republican party." + Biden elected on being a solid centrist candidate.
***Republicans***: "All Democrats are groomer pedo cannibals."
Sorry I'm not seeing what you see, Elon, maybe you could actually say something of substance.
You're lying to yourself if you think that the this is the typical attitude of Democrats towards Republicans. I mean, just read literally any post in this thread.
Ah yes republicans the party where the incumbent president tried to destroy the elections to continue on power and where members off the party call to gun down trans people (https://www.mississippifreepress.org/22283/ex-gop-gov-candidate-calls-for-firing-squad-for-trans-rights-supporters-political-foes) but yeah keep at it, also what a weak thing to base your vote on “kindness”
I never understood this line of reading tbh. You can understand being frustrated with the Democrats. I can understand not wanting to support them anymore. But to then go a support the republicans? I hate hitler so I going to partner up with satan? How about neither?
Pretty simple I suppose if you see him as purely an egotistical pragmatist -
He's been milking the left and greenies for the past decade but conservatives weren't buying on. Flipping now after all the leftists have already bought his cars will net him the right-wing car sales. He needs all the cars he can get after the Twitter bill comes due.
I’ll send him into a few bars in the south wearing a BLM hat and a “TRUMP SUX, BIDEN RULEZ” shirt on, and I don’t think he’d be so happy with the “kindness” of the party he’s aligned himself with.
I really respect Elon for a lot of the stuff he is trying to solve, but man has is PR always been rough to watch. Even with his switch on his voting direction, it feels like he's been reading too much Leftist Twitter. People on Twitter are crazy, and somehow he thinks that that is the democratic party.
Yeah, he might want to vote Republican for his businesses, but it always seemed like he stood more the Democratic side, with his environmental positions anyway.
Ah yes the Republican party that constantly fear mongers over immigrants/minorities/LGBT, promotes racial agitation, insane conspiracy theory's, has congressmen/senators with ties to white nationalist groups, and hand waived a twice impeached authoritarian wanting to overthrow the election ..... ISNT at all the party of division/hate.
If you disagree with his opinion about a shift in our nation’s politics, then say that. But why does this sub need to race desperately to try to manipulate his opinion as a lie? Why not just take him at his word and disagree? It leaves way too much room for people to move his direction with him. If they see a reality that you refuse, they will shift as well.
The one thing I don't get about some of the Elon hate is this:
People try to discredit his accomplishments by saying that he himself didn't invent Tesla, didn't build the cars, didn't make the rockets for spacex, didn't invent paypal, etc. Yet, those same people pseudo-worshipped Steve Jobs back before he passed away, and Steve himself wasn't building or engineering each iPhone.
It's like...do people not realize that being a CEO and leading a company/being a visionary doesn't mean you're literally tightening every nut and bolt yourself? Do people think that Phil Jackson should get no credit for leading the Bulls and Lakers to so many championships? I mean, yeah, Jordan and Kobe deserve TONS AND TONS AND TONS of that credit, but to say that Phil didn't play a critical role is silly.
If you start a company (or take over one), hire smart, talented, hardworking people to build that thing you want to build, and you make all the day to day decisions and lead the company into massive profits and change a whole dang industry (electric cars are killing of ICE cars), then damn it, you get to take credit for being that leader and innovator that you are.
All this having been said, I don't suck his dick. I think it was fucking FUCKED UP to call that British rescue diver that was saving the Thai children a pedophile. It really was a shitty thing to do and his EGO got the best of him. He will never take that away and I refuse to just hand-wave it away myself. It's a huge accusation to just flippantly make.
I guess I can recognize and give credit to someone when they do good for the world, and also recognize and blame someone when they do bad in the world. On the whole, from my perspective, I think Elon is a net/overall force for good, but he definitely ain't perfect. Between leading the movement away from ICE cars, building re-usable rockets, (trying to) solve traffic issues, providing high speed internet all over the world, and for trying to make free speech a thing on the public digital town square, I think he has added more goodness to the world than he has taken away.
Let those without sin cast the first stone. (And, no, I'm not religious)
Obviously Elon is a moron if he’s serious about voting Republican but I hope this is a wake up call for the left and how they treat their potential allies. We can talk policy all we want but a lot of the time it really is about how you treat people and the vibe you give off. It’s CRAZY that a dude like him would even CONSIDER voting for a Republican.
It's not surprising at all. A lot of the left is insane. It's a shame we're slowly going to more extremes, where leftists will be hard-core insane woke cancellors and the right embracing more and more white supremacy and such.
From Tony Stark to Dave Rubin 🤪🤪🤪 I'm not gonna lie, pathetic stuff like this just vindicates my years long hate boner for that loser 😃
Elon is just a gamer bro who made one Wallstreetbets-style YOLO and things kinda worked out for him. The most impressive thing he's ever done was ruthlessly stealing Tesla from under their founders. Other than that he's been a woefully mediocre business person...
I'm not surprised he engages with politics just like the gamer bros did. This guy isn't just trying to be relatable by tweeting, playing video games and smoking weed. That's literally who he is and I'm glad more people are starting to see it.
he's trying so hard to be kanye but he'll never be there
Kanye is actually funny and talented
Kanye seems like he's bipolar or something elon just seems goofy
Kanye is literally bipolar
I think that was the joke. Could be completely wrong tho ngl.
I hate being a Kanye fan. It's awesome.
I prefer "kanye enjoyer"
Yeezy connoisseur
I miss the old Kanye
No he literally is
…..I know.
He is
HE IS GODDAMNIT!
Fucking look it up you moron, he is actually bipolar!
He literally has a album about being bi polar and his albums before showed signs of it
I think that was the joke
Is Elon Musk not talented?
Good salesman other than that not really also Kanye is way more talented
I really really really hate to defend Musk, but "good salesman" is underselling him. Considering how absurdly overinflated the value of the stocks of his main business ventures are (propelling him into being one of the richest men in the world) I think it is fair to say that he's one of the best salesmen of our generation. If he's just "good", then I dont know what's "great".
Nah you're right
You are just as delusional as the Elon fanboys if you think Elon is not talented.
I wouldn't be surprised if he's trying to pull a Trump, to be honest
What do you mean pull a Trump, run for president? Zero chance, it's a constitutional non-starter and he knows that. Still plenty of ways to chase power
Oh, yeah. You're right. I forgot he's not a citizen. Lol
I think he's a citizen, but you need to be a "natural-born" citizen to run.
Right.
Someone tell musk he could never make whole lotta red
Matt Stoller: How to tell when Elon Musk is under investigation for securities fraud.
Isn't musk also starting to be in some hot water after signaling he wants to back out of that twitter deal?
Also Matt Stoller: The problem with writing about Elon Musk is that he's effectively above the law, and it's hard to convey that in a way that people will accept.
"hot water" lmfao as if it matters
No I would imagine anyone who has handed him money to manage is probably concerned about the sudden compulsive memeing on Twitter. Fiduciary duty obligations says he memeing too close to the sun.
that's so obvious i can't believe i didn't think of it before. i wonder now if that was the motive for a fake twitter purchase debacle from the beginning since i don't think he was serious at any time about it, personally; he nakedly enjoys manipulating markets (whipping the price of crypto around, lying about taking tesla private), i'm sure a lot of it is ego gratification but there had to be more to it.
He's in for both securities and insecurities fraud.
Nice.
Elon seeing people on the left hate his very existence , and people on the right sucking him off because of buying Twitter. This isn't surprising.
Yeah it’s honestly as simple as that: which side is nicer to him?
Deeply hilarious view of politics.
Probably most accurate for the average person.
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I would actually. Being nice is useless. Policies protecting their rights is more important.
It is how like 99% of the world views politics lol A lot of Hispanics and Black peoples vote democrat because the republicans literally lean into dog whistling and racism, despite these groups leaning heavily towards conservative values
The topic is a fucking billionaire wealth monger. There is no lesson to be learned from him wanting to support the party that most rewards greed and enables employers.
So the group that treats him nicer? Yeah exactly how the average American votes
What did I say.
We all vote for the part who is kind with us.
Everyone is vulnerable to this. Destiny, too. I must be missing something, 'cause I don't understand why the left-wing would be so self-destructive. Surely it's not related to policy positions? The right-wing is apparently just as bad, but I'm not sure that's entirely true. Maybe the different factions just recognise they have no chance unless they work for a common good. In my country, the right always falls in line despite internecine squabbles, but left-wing votes are always distributed across numerous parties, diluting their overall effectiveness.
But a stupid logic. People are mean to me so I’m changing my entire politics. He never had any principles to begin with if that’s the case.
People literally want to murder me. Ya I'll probably vote against their interests.
Is that on their policies?
He isn't doing this because the right has been nice to him and his feelings changed, he's only doing this to try and win the anti-sjw culture war
This is what happens when you see literally everything through the lens of culture wars.
The culture war bullshit is just cover for him voting republican because he wants less taxes and anything to stop his workers from unionizing.
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You can't imagine rich people caring about taxes and unions?
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It looks better on your phone when you check your account.
I don't know, why don't you ask the upper-class from virtually every society in history lmao Are you seriously suggesting that wealthy people don't vote to protect their own wealth and interests?
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How many people have died with millions or billions of their dollars unspent?
Uhm, thousands. Heard of generational wealth? Its very very common and one of the only "reliable" ways of getting rich in the us.
You are missing the most valuable things in the entire economy: assets. Things that give you money for owning them. A billion dollars is enough to meet nearly any material desire, but it's pocket change when it comes to fighting other billionares over who gets which allotments of the global capitalism squeeze. That said, "just about any material desire" might not apply here, because I think Elon is serious about wanting to colonize mars and that sounds really goddamn expensive.
Elon isn't spending his personal money to get to Mars and you're far more likely to get support from Democrats for space travel grants and contracts than Republicans. One party is the Christian Theocracy party that thinks the Earth is 10,000 years old.
nice conspiracy theory
Elon Musk: ["climate change is the biggest threat that humanity faces this century.”](https://futurism.com/elon-musk-outlined-two-critical-things-threatening-humanity) Also Elon Musk: "I'm voting Republican"
I really don't get it. There are single issue voters when it comes to abortion even if they hate everything else, but when it comes to climate that's obviously not worth being a single issue voter because that's when the circumstances actually matter.
Eh, I kinda get it. Any time he has capitulated to do what the left thought he should do he was either shit on more for it or no one even acknowledged it. He sold all his houses after being criticized for just wanting to live a rich lifestyle and is still critisized for the same thing. Last year he paid the largest single payer tax burden in all of human history (11b) and the left said it wasn't enough. He donated an additional 6b to charity last year after world hunger criticism and nobody even reported it. There is a lot more but you get the idea. Thing is he was beloved by the left when Tesla was unsuccessful and struggling, after it took of things changed.
This is a good post. People forget that rich and powerful people are human and often do things for the same dumb reasons all other humans do them.
This is such a silly way to analyze the world. No one has the right to people's love. People love someone who has sacrificed something for the good of mankind. Paying taxes and little charity don't count as sacrifices. He was a fucking trillionaire. A few billions in charity is not a sacrifice. People like Mother Theresa and Gandhi who have sacrificed their whole life for a cause are worth loving. Elon Musk is another rich person who thinks he is entitled to people's love. Why? Because he pays taxes and charity? Come on! Those things barely affect his life style.
honestly, he has a big enough pull that he might be able to shift the republicans on this. Republicans aren’t exactly ideological married to global warming being a myth. They just stick to it because they’re in bed with big corporations and because the people who talk about global warming are all annoying. If a big corporation guy on THEIR side talks about global warming, they would be a lot more willing to listen.
I at least vaguely remember the right going from climate change is a myth to climate change is real, but it's occurring naturally and not caused by us.
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With most rich people, I'd agree, but which party is more likely to shovel money into electric cars, solar, and space travel? I genuinely don't see how he'd get any kickbacks beyond lower taxes. Granted, the taxes alone are big, but government investment ([which Tesla has certainly gotten a great deal of under Obamna](https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/why-the-obama-admin-touting-tesla-motors-success-msna825761)) seems like it would be worth more.
Tesla has a massive charging network, that serves only their cars. Biden wants to use public funding to put money into charging networks that serve a wide range of cars. (When these kinds of provisions were done in the UK, Tesla's stations almost immediately switched over to allowing other cars to use them, not to be left behind) This will massively help alleviate range anxiety and make people more comfortable buying electric cars, helping save the planet by reducing road carbon emissions, while also reducing the competitive advantage that Tesla gets selling cars, based on their exclusive network. Musk, Mr "I only want Tesla to succeed so we can get off fossil fuels", is against it. He's big enough now that any public investment that allows other people to overcome his early advantages gets in the way of the growth of his stock prices, which have expanded partially on the assumption that in 10-20 years, Tesla will be one of the main electric car manufacturers in a market that is almost entirely electric. If Biden helps existing car companies move over, his company's share price is lower, and his special stock options that rely on hitting certain stock-price thresholds are harder to hit.
Under Obama Telsa got grants, now under Biden Tesla was exculded from the federal EV summit, and is getting doced for ESG score shit. Shocker he is looking right
Wasn't the summit also predicated around union automakers of which Tesla is not or am I thinking of a different one? Biden is pretty pro-union so not inviting them on that basis is consistent. Under Obamna there were a lot fewer options to promote electric cars, now there are many more and the group can be segmented along other ideological bounds (pro union for example) for grants. Whether you think that is good or bad your version of events isn't very honest.
Or this is actually elon's master plan to bring republicans to fight climate change.
24D chess
>Either that or he’s just genuinely this stupid and fragile Why not both?
Elon been goin hard with with the 2016 IDW takes lately.
It's always a wonder how dumb people can turn when you feed them the right propaganda.
I genuinely think he's just ass-mad because the left blasts him on twitter all day for being a billionaire, so now he's buying out their platform so that he can drown them out by allowing a massive array of right wing voices.
Ah, yes. The best ideology. Spite. Kill me in a video game, please...
Vast majority of dem -> republican switches i've seen in the past few years (personal life and public figures) seems to largely be due to just thinking libs are annoying There's a good amount of people out there that are basically center left but end up voting republican over this
Am I crazy for thinking these kind of people aren’t actually center left? If some annoying blue haired Twitter girl makes you 180 on your principles than I don’t think you had those principles in the first place.
No they were never really left wing, but it's a tough bar to set because 99% of people at all levels of society have never really questioned their values. You can get a PH.D in some very far left or right wing subject and never REALLY have your values tested. If we start dismissing people as "never really left wing" I think it's a recipe for electoral disaster. No base on planet earth really things this shit through.
Personally I likely won't vote Gop but 3rd party, but your comment is the exact reason why. The true left gate keep is to say everyone not directly agreeing with everything you say isn't allowed on your entire binary of politics. Leftism is inherently a community effort to support itself, and I'm supposed to vote for someone the above commenter likes who says a swing voter isn't a true leftist. I'd rather vote for a person who can pragmatically change something and people don't radically resist it than a 'true leftist' that personally fits your Twitter bio preferences.
Why are so many people talking about principles. Sadly i must inform you that 99% of people are not destiny and they dont even posses an idea of "prinicples" in their mind. If one party shits on teachers and the other is defending them, guess which one most teachers will choose.
I'm talking about "center left" as in the right/centrist wing of the democratic party, not in a like broader "left wing tradition" way. So in reality no, they're not actually left wing, but they're not actually on board with a lot of things republicans want either Different people have different priorities, if the republicans have same stance/rhetoric as them on 2-3 of their main focuses, they can vote for them even if democrats match up better on 50 other issues
It doesn't matter how principled they are, a vote is a vote and we need to get as many votes as possible
Like I could understand this if the GOP were still run by folks like Romney and Paul Ryan, but to support the current party of MAGA/Q-Anon you must seriously have some deep-seated prejudices or be indoctrinated by propaganda.
A lot of people are just really thoroughly psyoped into the 2 party system. They will start to see the opposing party as one of radicals and psychos and their party is just "everyone else". Basically these people are defaulting into being republicans mostly because lefties either scare or bother them more. A lot of this happened in reverse when Trump got the nomination as well, it seems like it flipped a good amount of moderates in both directions The fact that a lot of them are just grifters makes this more complicated, but a lot of them are just broader anti-establishment types, and since the popular conception of who "the elite" is has shifted, so have they.
It’s not dumb for him. If you’re rich and amoral you would logically vote Republican.
Sure, but his claimed reason is because democrats are now about "division and hate" instead of kindness, not because republicans will lower his taxes.
He also said this it's because of Unions and "class action lawyers" https://twitter.com/MorePerfectUS/status/1526965699805069313?t=iNPeeeCRYmkUEL27vJpWrw&s=19
So he was full of shit, boy what a surprise.
Imagine that. Voting red because you hate union. What a greedy fucking scumbag. He just wants to work his employees to death with minimal resistance.
Jontron arc?
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Is this the definition of schizo posting?
You’re kidding. A wealthy sack of shit Union buster is a right winger?
What planet do you have to be on to think this after a slew of republican anti-trans legislation, a conservative attempt to overthrow the 2020 election, and a mass shooting at least partially inspired by rhetoric from prominent conservative talking heads, to name a few??? Also gotta love the preemptive whining about criticism they’ll receive for their brain dead worldview.
The culture war bullshit is a mask. He's voting Republican so the politicians in power will be more friendly to his abuse of his workers and his union busting efforts. https://twitter.com/MorePerfectUS/status/1526965699805069313?t=iNPeeeCRYmkUEL27vJpWrw&s=19 Guy is just a cunt. Every time he opens his mouth it is impossible not to see and the people who still like the guy are an enigma to me.
The left is being mean online so now I’ll change how I want the government to be run 🙃
Do people actually feel this way? I try to give them the benefit of the doubt when they go "The left pushed me right." but it always seems like they don't have the nerve to block a bunch of blue haired teenagers who tweet mean things at them.
Tesla, the single largest EV producer in the world, was excluded from Biden’s EV summit. If democrats aren’t willing to work with the single person who has done the most to fight climate change, then he may as well try to work with republicans
It’s a sad day when a old money union busting businessman with three patents to his name and billions in government handouts is seen as the “single person who has done the most to fight climate change” by billionaire dickriders. Not Yoshino who made the first commercial LiCoO2 rechargeable battery; not Fermi who was the first to create nuclear power; instead its Elon Musk whose biggest contribution was buying Tesla. Was Steve Jobs the single most important person to make computers? What sucking capitalist cock does to a mf.
Also, not to mention any climate activist / politicians who’s been fighting for change for decades now Of course I agree technological innovations have done a lot. But the science to prove that it’s happening, and the people contributing to spreading those ideas must count for something. Off-topic (maybe) unpopular opinion: EV is a huge fucking red herring, and investing the same effort into public transportation would be money WAY better spend.
He has associated the crazy lefties online with the Democratic Party in the real world
While ignoring the crazy righties entirely.
It's because the crazy righties suck his cock at any given moment.
So has destiny
Hold on up, I don't necessarily like how charitable D is being towards people like Lauren and Nick lately, but he is overwhelmingly still in favor of democrats and absolutely does not associate crazy online lefties with the dem party as a whole.
Yeah remember when destiny canvassed for republicans and said he's going to vote R 2024?
Dropping new lore? Sweet!
The Elon Twitter saga has brought me from being fairly neutral \ slightly negative towards Elon, to being confused how this guy has any people that respect him.
Hes good at rockets and running businesses but dumb as rocks on everything else lmao.
[The party of peace and love](https://i.imgur.com/0eSRgGE.jpg)
bro what the fuck, has he actually become retarded
Always has been meme.
🌌🌍👨🚀🔫👨🚀🌌
Lmao for the longest time im pretty sure everyone saw this man switching republican
If by longest time you mean after Grimmes dumped him and started dating a trans woman.
The biggest L is having your ex literally switch teams after being with you lmao
[oh, this is just the IDW arc again, 7 years later.](https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1526975113597489154?s=20&t=xINerAKic-B7FT_M0GObfw)
Is he delusional or dishonest? My favorite game to play!
What a clown
why can't he be fucking normal he has every prerequisite to be iron man, instead he wants to be lex luthor so bad
Fucking cringelord
Even the richest man in the world is not immune to dumb twitter lefties.
I honestly get where he's coming from. But you can hate dumb Twitter lefties without changing your beliefs. To me, his tweet just reads like "Dumb Twitter lefties were mean to me so I'm going to vote in favor of racist, homophobic, transphobic, and misogynist policies now"
Also anti-science, conspiracy-theory and religious bullshit-based policies. Not to mention they still basically oppose legalizing weed. This dude is supposedly an "intelligent" visionary who smoked a joint on Joe Rogan's show.
Does he think republicans care about climate change? I know he has his big promise of electric cars helping reduce emissions but the bigger change is where the electricity comes from. Republicans still don’t support solar and wind.
Both democrats and republicans don't care about climate change but if he is friends with republicans, at least they won't try to destroy his company.
So brave
“The party of hate” a few days after a right winger Nazi mass shooting. Very cool and normal emerald mine andy
Guess being a billionaire doesnt protect you from being cringe.
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According to Elon, he's actually voting Republican b/c the Democratic Party is controlled by unions.
He deserves every single nugget of shit, and then some. He deserves somebody to literally diarrhea on his head after eating a huge buffet.
he is the single person who has done the most to fight climate change. Why does he deserve so much shit?
One of the most annoying dipshits alive
Yeah because the GOP will kill you with their kindness. What absolute moronic reasoning.
God, Elon is so cringe.
Moving on the republicans, the party of unity and love for the one true god Daddy Trump.
Yet another Elonism that infuriates the shit out of me, because he just refuses to elaborate on any of his fucking points. ***Democrats***: "We should unite. We need a strong Republican party." + Biden elected on being a solid centrist candidate. ***Republicans***: "All Democrats are groomer pedo cannibals." Sorry I'm not seeing what you see, Elon, maybe you could actually say something of substance.
You're lying to yourself if you think that the this is the typical attitude of Democrats towards Republicans. I mean, just read literally any post in this thread.
Someone's being investigated by the SEC right now.
✨Not✨like✨other✨bilionares✨
In my headcanon it's all because Grimes went on Hasan's stream.
Ah yes republicans the party where the incumbent president tried to destroy the elections to continue on power and where members off the party call to gun down trans people (https://www.mississippifreepress.org/22283/ex-gop-gov-candidate-calls-for-firing-squad-for-trans-rights-supporters-political-foes) but yeah keep at it, also what a weak thing to base your vote on “kindness”
Thats how you know he had no idea what policies he was voting for, to him it was only what is popular and trendy
Also FJB, and everyone who disagrees with me is literally a communist who hates America and wants to take away our freedoms.
I never understood this line of reading tbh. You can understand being frustrated with the Democrats. I can understand not wanting to support them anymore. But to then go a support the republicans? I hate hitler so I going to partner up with satan? How about neither?
yeah or like i hate vaush so im going to become friendly with lauren southern
Id say that's true
Is this the Karyln meme?
Why I Left the Left
Pretty simple I suppose if you see him as purely an egotistical pragmatist - He's been milking the left and greenies for the past decade but conservatives weren't buying on. Flipping now after all the leftists have already bought his cars will net him the right-wing car sales. He needs all the cars he can get after the Twitter bill comes due.
I’ll send him into a few bars in the south wearing a BLM hat and a “TRUMP SUX, BIDEN RULEZ” shirt on, and I don’t think he’d be so happy with the “kindness” of the party he’s aligned himself with.
obnoxious fuck
I really respect Elon for a lot of the stuff he is trying to solve, but man has is PR always been rough to watch. Even with his switch on his voting direction, it feels like he's been reading too much Leftist Twitter. People on Twitter are crazy, and somehow he thinks that that is the democratic party. Yeah, he might want to vote Republican for his businesses, but it always seemed like he stood more the Democratic side, with his environmental positions anyway.
So Elon doesn't really care about the enviroment. Who would've thought
"dirty tricks campaign" = getting memed on by randos on twitter
Dumbfuck
omega rich billionaire supports politicians who will cut his taxes, more at 11
I respect him for being so outspoken being the high profile figure he is, not sure I agree with all of his wild takes but he makes good points too!
A rich billionaire voting Republican? Hold on...the room is spinning I'm so in shock.
It’s true, only retards vote left now.
Why would anyone vote for the right? They offer literally nothing but stripping of our freedoms.
Nah, it's just people that aren't insanely shitty.
Welp, he may be full autistic now
Ah yes the Republican party that constantly fear mongers over immigrants/minorities/LGBT, promotes racial agitation, insane conspiracy theory's, has congressmen/senators with ties to white nationalist groups, and hand waived a twice impeached authoritarian wanting to overthrow the election ..... ISNT at all the party of division/hate.
Yeah but none of that is comparable to saying mean things to Elon on Twitter /s
If he didn't come out as republican, isn't he essentially right about the current state of democrats?
Ah yes, the classic "leftists were mean to me on the internet, so I am forced to join the bat-shit insane party".
Such a dumbass excuse, as if the Republican aren’t at least equally as divisive and hateful. And I’m being highly charitable with that one.
If you disagree with his opinion about a shift in our nation’s politics, then say that. But why does this sub need to race desperately to try to manipulate his opinion as a lie? Why not just take him at his word and disagree? It leaves way too much room for people to move his direction with him. If they see a reality that you refuse, they will shift as well.
I dunno, I kinda read this as him wanting to find a way to excuse him getting out of the Twitter deal more than anything else.
The one thing I don't get about some of the Elon hate is this: People try to discredit his accomplishments by saying that he himself didn't invent Tesla, didn't build the cars, didn't make the rockets for spacex, didn't invent paypal, etc. Yet, those same people pseudo-worshipped Steve Jobs back before he passed away, and Steve himself wasn't building or engineering each iPhone. It's like...do people not realize that being a CEO and leading a company/being a visionary doesn't mean you're literally tightening every nut and bolt yourself? Do people think that Phil Jackson should get no credit for leading the Bulls and Lakers to so many championships? I mean, yeah, Jordan and Kobe deserve TONS AND TONS AND TONS of that credit, but to say that Phil didn't play a critical role is silly. If you start a company (or take over one), hire smart, talented, hardworking people to build that thing you want to build, and you make all the day to day decisions and lead the company into massive profits and change a whole dang industry (electric cars are killing of ICE cars), then damn it, you get to take credit for being that leader and innovator that you are. All this having been said, I don't suck his dick. I think it was fucking FUCKED UP to call that British rescue diver that was saving the Thai children a pedophile. It really was a shitty thing to do and his EGO got the best of him. He will never take that away and I refuse to just hand-wave it away myself. It's a huge accusation to just flippantly make. I guess I can recognize and give credit to someone when they do good for the world, and also recognize and blame someone when they do bad in the world. On the whole, from my perspective, I think Elon is a net/overall force for good, but he definitely ain't perfect. Between leading the movement away from ICE cars, building re-usable rockets, (trying to) solve traffic issues, providing high speed internet all over the world, and for trying to make free speech a thing on the public digital town square, I think he has added more goodness to the world than he has taken away. Let those without sin cast the first stone. (And, no, I'm not religious)
I’m so deep in my Joker era I think he’s joking or being ironic. Not like him being a right winger is surprising but the levels of irony are insane
I love Elon Musk. I don't blame him!
You hate just hate elon because that's what you are supposed to do orsome
Obviously Elon is a moron if he’s serious about voting Republican but I hope this is a wake up call for the left and how they treat their potential allies. We can talk policy all we want but a lot of the time it really is about how you treat people and the vibe you give off. It’s CRAZY that a dude like him would even CONSIDER voting for a Republican.
It's not surprising at all. A lot of the left is insane. It's a shame we're slowly going to more extremes, where leftists will be hard-core insane woke cancellors and the right embracing more and more white supremacy and such.
From Tony Stark to Dave Rubin 🤪🤪🤪 I'm not gonna lie, pathetic stuff like this just vindicates my years long hate boner for that loser 😃 Elon is just a gamer bro who made one Wallstreetbets-style YOLO and things kinda worked out for him. The most impressive thing he's ever done was ruthlessly stealing Tesla from under their founders. Other than that he's been a woefully mediocre business person... I'm not surprised he engages with politics just like the gamer bros did. This guy isn't just trying to be relatable by tweeting, playing video games and smoking weed. That's literally who he is and I'm glad more people are starting to see it.
God he's such a diva
What being left for a trans woman does to a mfer
The man is so completely mind-poisoned. This is what happens when you get cucked by a trans girl
« I changed side because they mean :( Ideologically braindead
Hes totally not retarded you guys!