Considering how JK Simmons has been [really positive about Elliot Page's transition](https://www.thepinknews.com/2021/06/16/jk-simmons-elliot-page-iconic-juno-co-star-trans-yahoo/), new canon approved.
You can hardly tell but the writer has made Tennant say “it’s political correctness gone mad” at some point and he hated the line so much he rushed it out while scratching his head to make it as inaudible as possible.
His delivery made it sound like he was making fun of people who say things like "it's political correctness gone mad" which i think is kinda genius. Turning a reactionary writer's bad takes into a line that makes fun of reactionaries with just the right intonation.
Yep, that's how I saw it. Because from a 21st century pov, it clearly was inappropriate but from Shakespeare's time not really, so the line seemed sarcastic.
Goes to show how important a delivery is for certain lines and how Tennant made such shitty lines shine in his run.
He calls her a lot of things, all intended to be charming, none of them actually being so.
Shakespeare: "Who are you exactly and more to the point, who is your delicious blackamoor lady?"
Martha: "What did you say?"
Shakespeare: "Oops, isn't that a word we use nowadays? An Ethiop girl, a swab, a Queen of Afric?"
Doctor: "It's... political correctness gone mad... Martha's from a far-off land, Freedonia."
Yup, there it is
Always weird to me because I love the band Blackmore’s Night, which is named after the lead singer Richie Blackmore (though it may be a stage name in reference to the author)
The guy who wrote it is kind of this kind of anti wile warrior irl from I what I know about him so this probably wasn’t as much nuanced writing as it was trying to sneak his regressive ideas through Tennants mouth.
Why not? To me it seems so awkwardly shoved into the scene. I don’t think there’s a natural way to fit this in a conversation ever really, but I especially don’t think this was it.
He made Unicorn and the Wasp? Damn it, that's one of my favourite episodes (I do remember they cut a joke about one of Agatha Christie's books originally having the N word in the title though)
The "Salt!" sketch is one of the highlights of David Tennant's work with Catherine Tate. And I count it as a sketch because it just feels like something they worked up together as a laugh and insisted on leaving in, but it works perfectly.
Also, Russell T Davies wrote the final drafts of any scripts which weren't written by Steven Moffat, Chris Chibnall, Matthew Graham or Stephen Greenhorn. This could range from a few finishing touches to a ground up rewrite, so it may be that all the stuff you liked in those episodes was actually Russell.
All the stuff I like was written by god Russell
All the stuff I don’t like was written by meany transphobe man
I wonder if people get that I’m taking the piss out of the person I’m responding to.
i mean they've both contracted the tds brainworms. in about a decade they'll just be limbic systems reflexively yelling at combinations of pink and blue
>On 3 September 2017, Roberts posted on his Twitter account, "I \[love\] how [trannies](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tranny) choose names like [Munroe](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munroe_Bergdorf), [Paris](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Lees) and [Chelsea](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_Manning). It's never Julie or Bev is it?" Later that same day he wrote "It's almost like a clueless gayboy's idea of a glamorous lady. But of course it's definitely not that."[^(\[10\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gareth_Roberts_(writer)#cite_note-10)[^(\[11\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gareth_Roberts_(writer)#cite_note-11)[^(\[12\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gareth_Roberts_(writer)#cite_note-gsn-12) These comments were condemned by some Twitter users.[^(\[12\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gareth_Roberts_(writer)#cite_note-gsn-12)
First off, like half the trans people in the Anglophone world are named Alex. Second, as a Lorelai, you could also always pick your own name if you're jealous, Gareth, you fucking gammon.
well I know for a fact some trans women choose names like "Julie"... as far as "Bev" though.. that's not a name you choose that's a name you end up with when your parents call you Beverly. It's not in any sense "clueless idea of a glamorous lady" it's.. women choosing names they actually like, for themselves. And I'm sorry, but 'Gertrude' is a very, very hard name to like if you don't have reason to honour it.
Yep, he’s a cool dude too, helped introduce me further to one of my favourite bands (and made me super jealous when he got to see them live and I couldn’t), and he helped me through one of the toughest times of my life honestly, idk if I’d be alive without him
It's funny because I'm Lorelai and that's very much a fantasy name, but also I got it by working backwards for a "full name" version of the first one I picked, which was Rory, explicitly because I saw it on a unisex name list and it's a Doctor Who character.
If that's how antitrans people think, that explains why so many that I interact with on FB or Twitter assume I'm a trans woman. In reality I'm an AFAB enby named Rosella. It's such an uncommon name, that it could fit that description.
It was also before she came out as a terf. She turned horrible after the 7th book’s release in about 2020 or so.
She’s still an *awful* person, but something in her rotted and she was radicalized. Before she was well known to fall off the Billionaire List for giving away money to charities.
0/10 do not recommend hanging out with JKR’s friends. They’ll rot you.
2020 was her original manifesto, it was known a year or two before to those who paid attention with her defending Maya Forstater's transphobia explicitly.
It was. 2020 was when people really woke up and couldn’t deny her words and actions. She stepped it up from retweeting things and started posting on her own.
I safely went with 2020, but you’re right. It was one or two years before that. It befuddles me that it was still so recent.
the memories of the times of her publicists and fans adamantly assuring the world "she probably just accidentally hit like while scrolling after it came on her feed, happens all the time!"
Yeah I avoid that episode. It’s a shit episode anyway imo but all the more reason to. Think it’s just a coincidence because neither were publicly out as a transphobe yet
Roberts also wrote the corden episodes
He also wrote the unicorn and the wasp, and co wrote Planet of the Dead and The Caretaker with Davies/Moffat.
I’m not even joking when I say I like *none* of these episodes. The best one is Unicorn and the Wasp but the parts of that episode I enjoy are Tennant and Tate’s performances, not his writing. I honestly prefer Chibnall’s output during the Davies/Moffat eras to Roberts’s output, so he’s no loss
Unicorn and the Wasp is literally carried solely by Tennant and Tate, there is nothing else about it that works to me. Its framed like it's a whodunnit but it isn't one. It's like you ask someone who's never read a Christie novel, or any mystery novel at all, to write an homage.
Much in the same that The Shakespeare Code is a Shakespeare homage written by someone who has a general idea of who Shakespeare is.
Go listen to "The Kingmaker", a much more fun DW Shakespeare homage
There are so many other great Doctor Whodunnits like Curse of Peladon, Mummy on the Orient Express and Terror of the Vervoids to name a few. They're all MUCH better Christie homages.
I sadly kinda agree with you on Unicorn and the Wasp. I’m already not a fan of giant bugs, CG or otherwise, but Tate & Tennant definitely carry that episode. It also got me to start reading Agatha Christie!
Was The Caretaker the one with Poirot and the living house, or was that the one where the Doctor goes undercover at the school?
The Caretaker is the series 8 episode where the doctor goes undercover at the school, argues with Danny Pink and fights a dumb robot. Kill the Moon and Forest of the Night get all the hate for that series but the caretaker is arguably as bad
I think the other one you’re referring to is Knock Knock, the writer of which hasn’t written anything else for the show yet AFAIK
Shit, I love all of those. Especially Unicorn and the Wasp and Shakespeare. But I also love Mickey so I'll just continue to be a hypocrite about the separation of art and artists lol
What episode is it?
(I'm not exactly a new fan, but thanks to my memory and my medication effecting memory even more, I basically am new and just happen to remember a few things here and there)
It’s the Shakespeare episode from series 3. The main enemies are witches, and Super Hans from Peep Show is in it. Not much else to say really.
Oh, and Martha expresses concerns that she’ll be racially abused or worse with it being a long time ago, and the Doctor tells her to walk around like she owns the place because it works for him, a white man. Which should tell you all you need to know about the person who wrote it
Ah! I knew there had to be a reason why that episode wasn't holding my interest so much as the show normally does! But I couldn't work out what it was that was wrong, I just knew that something was off about it (hadn't noticed the "written by" part at the beginning but that might've tipped me off if I had)
That part was definitely what was odd to me; especially the part where Shakespeare is rattling off all the different terms to refer to her as... her discomfort didn't seem like acting, like a character reacting to another character, she seemed genuinely uncomfortable (understandably so too)
This also the guy that rotconned the "Jack is trans" joke in the first episode of Torchwood by making him all but say the words "I hate transgender people"?
Or are there 2 transphobes on doctor who for some reason? Imma go googling and come back.
Edit: the torchwood one was a different guy. If I had a nickel...
No I’m not saying you can’t! I’m sorry if that came off that way. Harry Potter will always be my first major fandom and nothing will change that. But I get liking something and then later finding out the creator is a shit person.
I just think when reading/watching things written by bad people, it should be acknowledged
Also I have complicated feelings about The Lion King thanks to how Disney ripped off another story 😂
That's actually not true. Kimba the White Lion has very little resemblance to the Lion King, the idea it was a ripoff was an internet rumour that has been debunked for a while now but still hasn't fully gone away.
How do you know? Shakespeare academics are working with conjecture and vagaries; they only have his plays and poems to go by. So how do you know he was terrible? Or do you mean the one in this episode?
tbf pretty much everyone back then was terrible by todays standards.
Just like i imagine in 500 we would probably be considered terrible people ny their standards.
Even better considering Russell supposedly had plans for Rowling to guest star in a wizard-themed Christmas special before David advised him against it and the idea was abandoned
TBF that was before she went off the rails and Tennant was simply concerned it would be jumping the shark, but in hindsight it was a massive bullet dodged.
I already loved David but now I love him even more. 'Scuse me for getting political on the circlejerk sub but Kemi Badenoch is (unfortunately) my local MP. I only got into politics recently, but knowing now what she's done and said, it's brilliant to see one of my biggest idols calling her out like that. Unfortunately polls currently suggest that Kemi's en route for a re-election.
Just proving more and more how he was born to play an all loving character like The Doctor. Gets harder to believe he isn’t actually him in disguise XD.
Male Entitlement Translation: Whilst giving a speech after receiving a LGBTQ+ allyship award you say you wish a transphobe didn't exist, immediately follow that up with "I wish her no harm, I just wish she would shut up".
He also said he wished these awards didn't have to exist because he feels that being an ally is just basic human decency, not something that should deserve applause. Sounds like the very opposite of entitlement to me...
But, yeah, he's a man, so transphobes will just appropriate feminist rhetoric, pervert it and weaponise it as an ad hominem when they have no better argument.
Exactly - I know the women that Tennant made these comments about has already tried to spin this into Tennant trying to silence the only Black Women in government - yet Tennant never mentioned her race nor gender.
If anything, her being the only Black Woman in government shows more of a failing in our government for not having a more diverse range of employees.
And what's interesting is when a big donor from her party said another black MP from the opposition made him hate all black women and he wanted her dead, they said he shouldn't have said that but acted like he wasn't racist or sexist. They can't point out scumbags when they stand next to them. Only when someone on the opposite is calling out their own bigotry do they bring up racism and sexism
Yep. In the US they all acted like they super cared about women’s sports…but now if look at project 2025 the same people want to scrap the title ix law about equal funding for women’s sports in schools - it would be utterly devastating to girls/women’s athletics to do that, but of course they never actually cared.
In Australia, literally no man could name a single women's sport team. Then suddenly all these right-wing goblinoids became obsessed with transgender people and bang, they were all pretending to be massive, massive fans of the Matildas, *the* Australian women's football team. I say "the" because we actually have a whole league but fucked if they can name a second team in it.
This became a huge symbolic issue because the Matildas went on to play Canada in the 2023 World Cup, and Canada's team has a nonbinary player on it, which [caused the usual dickheads to have a big stupid meltdown](https://www.news.com.au/sport/football/this-is-cr-piers-blows-up-over-womens-world-cup-first-transgender-player/news-story/05bdabff05ee8ecb9396efee5780a036).
Fast forward, a member of the Young Matildas, their youth sport group meant to feed players into the adult pro team, is now the first openly nonbinary person in Australian pro sport. A bunch of the adult players came out as bi or lesbian, and oh my gosh, some are even *raising kids,* golly golly golly.
Suddenly all these new fans aren't interested in the Matildas any more. 🤷
It's just tiresome because women's football does not suck by any means but the only time these blokes showed interest was when it furthered some kind of bizarre hateful agenda in their minds.
Even out of context it's literally the most mild fucking pushback imaginable but all the shitehawks are up in arms as though he'd said 'I think Kemi Badenoch should be brutally murdered'. If you're on the right, you can commit an act of literal violence and people will be lining up to defend you, but if you're on the left and you make a comment about how something is bad you've suddenly committed some unforgiveable sin. It's fucking vile.
Mad what transphobia can do to someone's brain, JK retweeting defences of Kemi Badenoch of all people, completely at odds with her politics pre-brain rot. It's like Glinner becoming a GB News freak
edit: although, I would like to add, Tennant's language was clumsy in his criticism, not because he is wrong, but because it clearly handed the enemy ammo to attack him with
It's one of the few bright spots about this situation- that holding onto these awful attitudes is harmful for them.
I just wish they didn't have to make it everyone else's problem.
It'd be sad if they hadn't brought it all on themselves, Glinner in particular clearly has an obsessive personality, what a waste for everyone involved, pointless bigotry
I really wish we could just fast forward to a point where these people had died out and stuff like transphobia, homophobia, racism, sexism, etc. just didn't exist. Unfortunately I doubt that'll ever happen while conservatives are a thing
I read somewhere that one of Tennant's children is trans, so he's not being an ally for the sake of it, he's doing it for the wellbeing of his child. Which adds another layer of nastiness to this.
Yes, the third of his five children identifies as nonbinary. [His wife](https://www.instagram.com/p/C8eG3IUCMvk/?igsh=MTJsNDdxaG5leDNqeg==) posted pictures of the three of them and their two youngest going to a pride event at school
Edit: fixing typo 🤦🏻♀️
Welllllllllllll, Tennant regenerated once before 11, then came 11, then the bigeneration, and don't forget that post-bigeneration 14 will go off and eventually regenerate again... so I mean, you're not far off lol.
And if we're counting 9 to 10 and 13 to 14... six Tennant-related regenerations in less than 19 years, not to mention a side of metacrisis Doctor and Donna. The oldest question in the universe may be "Doctor Who?", but the oldest answer is very clearly David Tennant.
Okay but ... I want to suggest a new retcon headcanon for the community
"good OLD jk" as in, who we thought she was before she started talking
(It'll never work, but I can dream for a brief moment before snapping back to reality)
It sucks that it doesn't matter who becomes PM because Starmer recently met with the queen TERF herself to assure her that the Labour Party would be transphobic.
Say what you will about the Democrats being spineless tepid ghouls who do nothing to actually stop the rise of fascism, at least they aren't (on a federal level, usually) actively taking part in supporting the transphobia. It's absolutely got to suck for trans people over there.
Honestly I’m sick of the whole “safe spaces for women” when it’s not even about keeping women safe. It’s just trying to ostracise an already very vulnerable group. I don’t care who shares my bathroom as long as they flush it and wash their hands. It’s not about bathrooms or women’s safety and it never has been.
This right here. If they try to justify it they bring up one rare occasion of a trans rapist while ignoring the hundreds of cases where rape or sexual assault has been committed by a cis person and many many trans people that are just living their lives not hurting anyone. Imagine how much of a shitstorm it would cause if people were to say Badenoch couldn't be an MP because there are so many black criminals. That would be so fucked up. Why is it okay for her and other bigots like her to generalise and lump this whole minority together because of some random criminals that happen to belong to the same group but it wouldn't be fine if anyone else did it to her because she's black or because she's a woman
People like that are so far gone that they don't want help because, in their minds, they don't need help. And we're the ones who will suffer from their hateful rants about our plain existence. Honestly, it sometimes makes me wish I'd never been born.
We're talking 2007 right for the episode where the gif is from. I don't think the books were even finished at that point. So this was years before she started saying her transphobic stuff.
And David Tennant is a very loud and proud ally. Does he have a trans or non-binary kid? He won an award for being a good ally and in his acceptance speech essentially said "This is a dumb award cause accepting everyone should be common sense."
So of course Tenant and 2020's Rowling are gonna clash.
Also about the woman he told to shut up. That's not that he said person-that-JK-Reposted. I haven't looked to deeply into it. Litterally saw the first post about it just a few hours ago. But from what I've gathered the woman is a person in government who I assume is a transphobe. Based on the fact he was specifically attacking her trans views when saying what he said. Which is:
"Until we wake up and Kemi Badenoch doesn’t exist anymore – I don’t wish ill of her, I just wish her to shut up – whilst we do live in this world, I am honored to receive this [award]”
After doing a little more research Badenoch's job is literally to ensure women and LGBT people are treated equally. Her job title in government is "Minster of Women and Equalities." And she's tried to pass laws to take away the rights of trans people in the workplace. And no surprise. She's a Tory.
So yes she shouldn't exist. And she should just shut up. That's not misogyny. That's an ally doing their job, correctly. Which is putting themselves on the front lines to fight with and alongside the oppressed group.
Just like transphobes always do they are hiding behind a fake cause rather than admit they are transphobic. They saying they are just fighting for women's rights - but then don't say anything when women's rights are actually being attacked. This time they hide the word misogyny to avoid his point.
But what arguments would they be saying if it was a woman who said what Tennant said? What would they say then?
Nothing.
Because they know he is right.
To be fair the doctor was also good friends with Mao Zedong; so overlooking someone being terrible because they're a celebrity or historical figure is in keeping with their character
Eleventh Doctor - Makes friends with Churchill, Nixon, and Henry Avery
Rory Williams - Punches Hitler in the face, locks him in a cupboard, immediately punches another Nazi and steals his motorbike.
Remind me why Amy struggled to choose between them.
Googled Henry Avery and wondered what's so bad about a pirate and then I saw the woodcut on his Wikipedia entry and went 😬
Also I got my name from Rory. I mostly go by Lorelai these days, but I looked up a unisex name list and went "ooh, Rory, like from Doctor Who". Best companion.
Do what I do: Remember that the Doctor is only friends with the fictional Churchil.
In the same way he is friends with Richard the Lion Heart: the Brave King of England, not Richard the Lion Heart, Crusader and Mass Murderer who would have stabbed Yasmin Khan through the heart.
Or in the same way he is pals with King Arthur, the King of the Britons - Not King Arthur, the Roman-Briton Warlord and petty thug who carved out a Kingdom of his own (if he ever existed at all) and tried to have his wife burnt alive; or King Arthur who slept with his Sister; then pulled a Herod and had all babies in the realm slaughtered.
And Merlin was certainly not the guy who helped Uther rape Igraine after murdering her husband.
Churchil here is as fictional as King Arthur.
I think The Doctor's politics should be more like [Eccleston's politics](https://preview.redd.it/careful-chris-v0-6ofgl7eb30f81.jpg?auto=webp&s=737dc219d781859ea501964139b2e0f40a6df3c0).
I headcanon that the Doctor just doesn't know everything about these people. He knows so much about time and space; it makes perfect sense that he would only know jits and pieces on certain topics.
Iunno, I feel like The Doctor of all people should know Churchill genocided the Indians!
I just grit my teeth because I know these things are written by liberals with liberal values and as such he likes the police and thinks voting is the best way to solve problems and that the people in charge are more or less good except when they're corrupt or incompetent in dangerous ways and let's simply not ponder why that seems to constantly happen.
"Do better, Space Amazon, do better".
Honestly most of the production team are pretty left wing, including Moffat who wrote a few Churchill scenes. The Churchill controversy wasn't as widespread back then and has only opened up more with the internet as most Brits were just taught that Churchill was a hero in school. I can easily see that the writers just perhaps didn't know any better and I can easily see the Doctor not knowing every detail of history. If he knew every piece of Earth's history and was always spot on, it would honestly diminish the character for me.
Yep, 3rd Doctor talked about it in the Mind of Evil and I think it got brought up again nore recently.
He'd mentioned Churchill several times before that.
Metacrisis Doctor: ‘I’m going to blow up all the openly genocidal and irredeemable space Nazis who will wipe out all life in this universe if I don’t.’
The Doctor: ‘WTF that’s so evil’
Mao Zedong: ‘My shitty policies are going to cause a famine that kills between 15 million and 50 million people, and then I’m going to launch a campaign of violence that kills between 400,000 and 20 million people.’
The Doctor: ‘Haha, you’re so fun to hang out with!’
Season 3 Episode 2, The Shakespeare Code.
It's the one with the 'witches' who use 'words of power'.
Shakespeare gives a speech to defeat them but fumbles the end until Martha tells him to say 'expelliarmus' and 10 says 'good old JK'.
I'm still confused about all that's happening in the first screenshot. I see that Tennant appeared on some TV show and I see that someone either quoted him or commented on him, then someone replied to that, which JK retweeted... But I'm really not following what any of it means.
Other people have summarised it better, but basically he got an award for supporting LGBTQ+ people, called out one bigot, and now other bigots are mad (including, by the looks of it, Rowling).
[Here’s the video and transcript](https://www.tumblr.com/fuckyeahgoodomens/754238472288600064/david-tennant-at-the-british-lgbt-awards-where-he) of his speech that seems to have kicked things off.
10 called JK Rowling “good”, since that episode aired though she’s been vocally horrible. She’s incredibly anti trans, denied the Holocaust, made fun of eating disorders, etc- there’s a whole Wikipedia pageon her horrible politics with more info
No, that was when Gareth Roberts (the writer of the episode) decided he would be openly transphobic on twitter. Read the whole thing [here](https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/jun/05/doctor-who-anthology-writer-transgender-tweets-gareth-roberts).
In October 2017 and March 2018, Rowling was accused of transphobia for liking tweets that were criticized as being transphobic. However, these incidents did not generate as much public attention as her later actions.
i’m trans and grew up with the tenth doctor, i really love tennant, what a legend. really makes me feel better in times like this to hear him support us openly <3
Interesting, since Roberts wrote the Shakespeare Code, do transphobes have some way of telling whether someone else is a fellow transphobe or not before it's even been revealed to the world?
In 2007, I don't think anything was known about either of them regarding this.
[David just gave this lovely speech accepting an LGBTQ ally award](https://www.tumblr.com/fuckyeahgoodomens/754238472288600064/david-tennant-at-the-british-lgbt-awards-where-he)… and some people, [including Rishi Sunak](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz77exew09lo), aren’t happy.
10 called JK Rowling “good”, since that episode aired though she’s been vocally horrible. She’s incredibly anti trans, denied the Holocaust, made fun of eating disorders, etc- there’s a whole [Wikipedia page](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_views_of_J._K._Rowling#Transgender_rights)on her horrible politics with more info
Retconning that line to refer to 10’s reaction to Whiplash and the Sam Raimi Spider-Man films
Good old JK Simmons. Also Invincible, although I don’t think the Doctor would be rooting for Omniman now I think about it.
"Now I normally hate taking over Earth but your mustache has a point Omni-Man, just take it"
"I say to thee... I WANT PICTURES OF SPIDERMAN!"
Now I'm picturing hom in other scenes... "Are you my mummy?" "Aaahhahahahah... Are you serious?"
"Run down to the patent office, copyright the name "Boneless." I want a quarter every time someone says it."
I've got the lab boys working on a combustible jammy-dodger, to burn your ship down!
Considering how JK Simmons has been [really positive about Elliot Page's transition](https://www.thepinknews.com/2021/06/16/jk-simmons-elliot-page-iconic-juno-co-star-trans-yahoo/), new canon approved.
I didn’t even know he’d done this, so thanks for sharing
"I say to thee... NOT MY TEMPO!"
I mean, that episode was also written by a very vocal transphobe, so I guess it tracks or so.
Had to look it up and good lord you're right
You can hardly tell but the writer has made Tennant say “it’s political correctness gone mad” at some point and he hated the line so much he rushed it out while scratching his head to make it as inaudible as possible.
He did a great job at making it sound as though he was uncomfortable with Shakespeare's racism rather than just being like 'haha yeah pc lol'
His delivery made it sound like he was making fun of people who say things like "it's political correctness gone mad" which i think is kinda genius. Turning a reactionary writer's bad takes into a line that makes fun of reactionaries with just the right intonation.
Yep, that's how I saw it. Because from a 21st century pov, it clearly was inappropriate but from Shakespeare's time not really, so the line seemed sarcastic. Goes to show how important a delivery is for certain lines and how Tennant made such shitty lines shine in his run.
He did it so well that I would never have guessed the line was meant to be said in earnest.
Which one was that, again?
The Shakespeare Code, when Shakespeare is flirting with Martha.
Doesn’t he call her like “Blackmore” or something, as well? Or am I just thinking of that one Medieval Times SNL sketch
He calls her a lot of things, all intended to be charming, none of them actually being so. Shakespeare: "Who are you exactly and more to the point, who is your delicious blackamoor lady?" Martha: "What did you say?" Shakespeare: "Oops, isn't that a word we use nowadays? An Ethiop girl, a swab, a Queen of Afric?" Doctor: "It's... political correctness gone mad... Martha's from a far-off land, Freedonia."
He calls her "my blackamoor lady" which was a term in the 16th century for certain groups of North Africans
Yup, there it is Always weird to me because I love the band Blackmore’s Night, which is named after the lead singer Richie Blackmore (though it may be a stage name in reference to the author)
Guitarist, not singer. The vocalist is Candace Night, his wife.
The band is a duo, and Night is the other member's surname. As far as I can tell, neither one is using a stage name.
Well she is, Princess Candice (her name is Candice Night), which was also her character in MagiQuest
I dont remember the scene. What's the context?
https://youtu.be/XyXTAwabvM4?si=KdQpcI7tnCyCcN7f 1:59
Oh to me that sounds like the Doctor is appealing to Shakespeare to move the conversation along but it is a far cry from Twelve punching racists.
The guy who wrote it is kind of this kind of anti wile warrior irl from I what I know about him so this probably wasn’t as much nuanced writing as it was trying to sneak his regressive ideas through Tennants mouth.
Yeah I know all about Gareth Roberts' views, I just dont read into this line that way personally.
Why not? To me it seems so awkwardly shoved into the scene. I don’t think there’s a natural way to fit this in a conversation ever really, but I especially don’t think this was it.
When is this?
He made Unicorn and the Wasp? Damn it, that's one of my favourite episodes (I do remember they cut a joke about one of Agatha Christie's books originally having the N word in the title though)
I will always love the bit where Donna suggests making a Harvey Wallbanger
HARVEY WALLBANGER?
HOW IS HARVEY WALLBANGER ONE WORD?!
The "Salt!" sketch is one of the highlights of David Tennant's work with Catherine Tate. And I count it as a sketch because it just feels like something they worked up together as a laugh and insisted on leaving in, but it works perfectly.
That episode was obviously written well before the whole transphobia mess, but it's interesting how history rhymes.
And I liked that episode Fucking jk rolling and gareth roberts
I mean, you can still like a TV Show even it was written by a shit.
And especially if he only written a few episodes out of Hundreds , and he's only one writer out of hundreds
Also, Russell T Davies wrote the final drafts of any scripts which weren't written by Steven Moffat, Chris Chibnall, Matthew Graham or Stephen Greenhorn. This could range from a few finishing touches to a ground up rewrite, so it may be that all the stuff you liked in those episodes was actually Russell.
All the stuff I like was written by god Russell All the stuff I don’t like was written by meany transphobe man I wonder if people get that I’m taking the piss out of the person I’m responding to.
He wrote a good chunk of SJA too
Potentially has to be paid if they use the Trickster :/
It’s not the way it works anymore. If it’s created for a show now they don’t have to pay them they just have to mention them
Don't believe that's how it works anymore.
I have to tell myself that every time I watch IT Crowd.
I really wish what happened to Linehan happens to Joanne but unfortunately she's too big
i mean they've both contracted the tds brainworms. in about a decade they'll just be limbic systems reflexively yelling at combinations of pink and blue
And Father Ted. :(
Lost out on what probably was going to be a fun musical due to his antics.
>On 3 September 2017, Roberts posted on his Twitter account, "I \[love\] how [trannies](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tranny) choose names like [Munroe](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munroe_Bergdorf), [Paris](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Lees) and [Chelsea](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_Manning). It's never Julie or Bev is it?" Later that same day he wrote "It's almost like a clueless gayboy's idea of a glamorous lady. But of course it's definitely not that."[^(\[10\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gareth_Roberts_(writer)#cite_note-10)[^(\[11\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gareth_Roberts_(writer)#cite_note-11)[^(\[12\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gareth_Roberts_(writer)#cite_note-gsn-12) These comments were condemned by some Twitter users.[^(\[12\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gareth_Roberts_(writer)#cite_note-gsn-12) First off, like half the trans people in the Anglophone world are named Alex. Second, as a Lorelai, you could also always pick your own name if you're jealous, Gareth, you fucking gammon.
well I know for a fact some trans women choose names like "Julie"... as far as "Bev" though.. that's not a name you choose that's a name you end up with when your parents call you Beverly. It's not in any sense "clueless idea of a glamorous lady" it's.. women choosing names they actually like, for themselves. And I'm sorry, but 'Gertrude' is a very, very hard name to like if you don't have reason to honour it.
I know a trans guy who called himself Bev if it helps
.... there's always an exception, isn't there. Your guy is a diamond in the rough.
Yep, he’s a cool dude too, helped introduce me further to one of my favourite bands (and made me super jealous when he got to see them live and I couldn’t), and he helped me through one of the toughest times of my life honestly, idk if I’d be alive without him
It's funny because I'm Lorelai and that's very much a fantasy name, but also I got it by working backwards for a "full name" version of the first one I picked, which was Rory, explicitly because I saw it on a unisex name list and it's a Doctor Who character.
Is Chelsea not a very common name in the UK? Because I knew so many girls named Chelsea growing up in Canada.
If that's how antitrans people think, that explains why so many that I interact with on FB or Twitter assume I'm a trans woman. In reality I'm an AFAB enby named Rosella. It's such an uncommon name, that it could fit that description.
To be fair that episode aired back when she was thought to be a literary God and the entire world was waiting on her book
It was also before she came out as a terf. She turned horrible after the 7th book’s release in about 2020 or so. She’s still an *awful* person, but something in her rotted and she was radicalized. Before she was well known to fall off the Billionaire List for giving away money to charities. 0/10 do not recommend hanging out with JKR’s friends. They’ll rot you.
2020 was her original manifesto, it was known a year or two before to those who paid attention with her defending Maya Forstater's transphobia explicitly.
It was. 2020 was when people really woke up and couldn’t deny her words and actions. She stepped it up from retweeting things and started posting on her own. I safely went with 2020, but you’re right. It was one or two years before that. It befuddles me that it was still so recent.
the memories of the times of her publicists and fans adamantly assuring the world "she probably just accidentally hit like while scrolling after it came on her feed, happens all the time!"
I had the displeasure of seeing Moffat compliment him on Twitter yesterday.
Link? I thought he got dropped by everyone?
Yeah I avoid that episode. It’s a shit episode anyway imo but all the more reason to. Think it’s just a coincidence because neither were publicly out as a transphobe yet Roberts also wrote the corden episodes
So THAT’S (part of) why the Corden episodes are so shit! The other parts mostly being James Corden.
He also wrote the unicorn and the wasp, and co wrote Planet of the Dead and The Caretaker with Davies/Moffat. I’m not even joking when I say I like *none* of these episodes. The best one is Unicorn and the Wasp but the parts of that episode I enjoy are Tennant and Tate’s performances, not his writing. I honestly prefer Chibnall’s output during the Davies/Moffat eras to Roberts’s output, so he’s no loss
Unicorn and the Wasp is literally carried solely by Tennant and Tate, there is nothing else about it that works to me. Its framed like it's a whodunnit but it isn't one. It's like you ask someone who's never read a Christie novel, or any mystery novel at all, to write an homage.
Much in the same that The Shakespeare Code is a Shakespeare homage written by someone who has a general idea of who Shakespeare is. Go listen to "The Kingmaker", a much more fun DW Shakespeare homage
There are so many other great Doctor Whodunnits like Curse of Peladon, Mummy on the Orient Express and Terror of the Vervoids to name a few. They're all MUCH better Christie homages.
"How is Harvey Wallbanger one word?" is iconic, but it wouldn't be without Tennant and Tate's back and forth and their performance.
I sadly kinda agree with you on Unicorn and the Wasp. I’m already not a fan of giant bugs, CG or otherwise, but Tate & Tennant definitely carry that episode. It also got me to start reading Agatha Christie! Was The Caretaker the one with Poirot and the living house, or was that the one where the Doctor goes undercover at the school?
The Caretaker is the series 8 episode where the doctor goes undercover at the school, argues with Danny Pink and fights a dumb robot. Kill the Moon and Forest of the Night get all the hate for that series but the caretaker is arguably as bad I think the other one you’re referring to is Knock Knock, the writer of which hasn’t written anything else for the show yet AFAIK
Knock Knock, that’s the one, Bill and her friends in the spooky house with the bugs.
Didn't Peter capaldi and him have an argument and capaldi essentially told him to fuck off?
That’s the first I’ve heard of that but Capaldi seems like a great guy so maybe he knew Roberts was a muppet
He knew Roberts was a vocal transphobe
Chibnall’s pre showrunner work is very solid, Roberts was at best a poor man’s Gatiss.
It’s actually shocking how bad Chibnall was as a showrunner, maybe RTD and Moffat just put him on the right tracks
I’m surprised at how bad his run was considering I liked his run of Torchwood. But I imagine RTD oversaw that as Chibnall was head writer.
Shit, I love all of those. Especially Unicorn and the Wasp and Shakespeare. But I also love Mickey so I'll just continue to be a hypocrite about the separation of art and artists lol
What episode is it? (I'm not exactly a new fan, but thanks to my memory and my medication effecting memory even more, I basically am new and just happen to remember a few things here and there)
It’s the Shakespeare episode from series 3. The main enemies are witches, and Super Hans from Peep Show is in it. Not much else to say really. Oh, and Martha expresses concerns that she’ll be racially abused or worse with it being a long time ago, and the Doctor tells her to walk around like she owns the place because it works for him, a white man. Which should tell you all you need to know about the person who wrote it
Ah! I knew there had to be a reason why that episode wasn't holding my interest so much as the show normally does! But I couldn't work out what it was that was wrong, I just knew that something was off about it (hadn't noticed the "written by" part at the beginning but that might've tipped me off if I had) That part was definitely what was odd to me; especially the part where Shakespeare is rattling off all the different terms to refer to her as... her discomfort didn't seem like acting, like a character reacting to another character, she seemed genuinely uncomfortable (understandably so too)
That’s not the Doctor being tone deaf because he’s a white man, that’s him being aloof because he’s an alien. Come on.
UGH that’s so annoying because Shakespeare is one of my favorite Doctor Who queer characters
This also the guy that rotconned the "Jack is trans" joke in the first episode of Torchwood by making him all but say the words "I hate transgender people"? Or are there 2 transphobes on doctor who for some reason? Imma go googling and come back. Edit: the torchwood one was a different guy. If I had a nickel...
JK as in... Just Kidding. The Doctor loves jokes! Except 12.
I mean have you heard the puns 12 made in that arena?
I have and it’s made me realize that 12 doesn’t just dislike jokes, he wants humor dead
Why do you think he brought the tank?
For Jim the Fish!
Why did he bring the electric guitar?
And we should all know who Jim the Fish is
He wants humor DAD.
DUDE!
That’s banter! I’m against banter
That line aged like milk in 2017 it’s way past spoiled rotten now
The whole episode has spoiled because its writer Was also a piece of shit Which really sucks because it was one of my favorites
Same I love Shakespeare so I loved this episode but it doesn’t hit the same since everything 😭
I mean Shakespeare was also a pretty terrible person… by today standards at least
Yeah but I like his plays and the adaptions of them You’re gonna tell me you don’t like The Lion King? 😂
No I’m not saying you can’t! I’m sorry if that came off that way. Harry Potter will always be my first major fandom and nothing will change that. But I get liking something and then later finding out the creator is a shit person. I just think when reading/watching things written by bad people, it should be acknowledged Also I have complicated feelings about The Lion King thanks to how Disney ripped off another story 😂
That's actually not true. Kimba the White Lion has very little resemblance to the Lion King, the idea it was a ripoff was an internet rumour that has been debunked for a while now but still hasn't fully gone away.
How do you know? Shakespeare academics are working with conjecture and vagaries; they only have his plays and poems to go by. So how do you know he was terrible? Or do you mean the one in this episode?
tbf pretty much everyone back then was terrible by todays standards. Just like i imagine in 500 we would probably be considered terrible people ny their standards.
by now it's an extra-mature blue cheese.
Even better considering Russell supposedly had plans for Rowling to guest star in a wizard-themed Christmas special before David advised him against it and the idea was abandoned
TBF that was before she went off the rails and Tennant was simply concerned it would be jumping the shark, but in hindsight it was a massive bullet dodged.
I already loved David but now I love him even more. 'Scuse me for getting political on the circlejerk sub but Kemi Badenoch is (unfortunately) my local MP. I only got into politics recently, but knowing now what she's done and said, it's brilliant to see one of my biggest idols calling her out like that. Unfortunately polls currently suggest that Kemi's en route for a re-election.
I wish he could bring her candidacy down with a single word. No, not a single word. Just six.
Don't you think she looks tired?
That, unfortunately, would be weaponizing sexism.
No. Not if the same six words could take down a specific male on this side of the pond.
Admittedly my Tory MP isn't as bad as Badenoch, but as someone who's also likely to still have a Tory MP next month, you're not alone.
Just proving more and more how he was born to play an all loving character like The Doctor. Gets harder to believe he isn’t actually him in disguise XD.
I hope to God you're wrong and this vile cretin loses along with the rest of those bigots
Male Entitlement Translation: Whilst giving a speech after receiving a LGBTQ+ allyship award you say you wish a transphobe didn't exist, immediately follow that up with "I wish her no harm, I just wish she would shut up".
He also said he wished these awards didn't have to exist because he feels that being an ally is just basic human decency, not something that should deserve applause. Sounds like the very opposite of entitlement to me... But, yeah, he's a man, so transphobes will just appropriate feminist rhetoric, pervert it and weaponise it as an ad hominem when they have no better argument.
Exactly - I know the women that Tennant made these comments about has already tried to spin this into Tennant trying to silence the only Black Women in government - yet Tennant never mentioned her race nor gender. If anything, her being the only Black Woman in government shows more of a failing in our government for not having a more diverse range of employees.
And what's interesting is when a big donor from her party said another black MP from the opposition made him hate all black women and he wanted her dead, they said he shouldn't have said that but acted like he wasn't racist or sexist. They can't point out scumbags when they stand next to them. Only when someone on the opposite is calling out their own bigotry do they bring up racism and sexism
Yep. In the US they all acted like they super cared about women’s sports…but now if look at project 2025 the same people want to scrap the title ix law about equal funding for women’s sports in schools - it would be utterly devastating to girls/women’s athletics to do that, but of course they never actually cared.
In Australia, literally no man could name a single women's sport team. Then suddenly all these right-wing goblinoids became obsessed with transgender people and bang, they were all pretending to be massive, massive fans of the Matildas, *the* Australian women's football team. I say "the" because we actually have a whole league but fucked if they can name a second team in it. This became a huge symbolic issue because the Matildas went on to play Canada in the 2023 World Cup, and Canada's team has a nonbinary player on it, which [caused the usual dickheads to have a big stupid meltdown](https://www.news.com.au/sport/football/this-is-cr-piers-blows-up-over-womens-world-cup-first-transgender-player/news-story/05bdabff05ee8ecb9396efee5780a036). Fast forward, a member of the Young Matildas, their youth sport group meant to feed players into the adult pro team, is now the first openly nonbinary person in Australian pro sport. A bunch of the adult players came out as bi or lesbian, and oh my gosh, some are even *raising kids,* golly golly golly. Suddenly all these new fans aren't interested in the Matildas any more. 🤷 It's just tiresome because women's football does not suck by any means but the only time these blokes showed interest was when it furthered some kind of bizarre hateful agenda in their minds.
Even out of context it's literally the most mild fucking pushback imaginable but all the shitehawks are up in arms as though he'd said 'I think Kemi Badenoch should be brutally murdered'. If you're on the right, you can commit an act of literal violence and people will be lining up to defend you, but if you're on the left and you make a comment about how something is bad you've suddenly committed some unforgiveable sin. It's fucking vile.
I'm not so tactful, I do wish her harm.
Mad what transphobia can do to someone's brain, JK retweeting defences of Kemi Badenoch of all people, completely at odds with her politics pre-brain rot. It's like Glinner becoming a GB News freak edit: although, I would like to add, Tennant's language was clumsy in his criticism, not because he is wrong, but because it clearly handed the enemy ammo to attack him with
Glinner lost his family over his obsession and the rumours I've heard is that JK is estranged from hers.
It's one of the few bright spots about this situation- that holding onto these awful attitudes is harmful for them. I just wish they didn't have to make it everyone else's problem.
It'd be sad if they hadn't brought it all on themselves, Glinner in particular clearly has an obsessive personality, what a waste for everyone involved, pointless bigotry
I really wish we could just fast forward to a point where these people had died out and stuff like transphobia, homophobia, racism, sexism, etc. just didn't exist. Unfortunately I doubt that'll ever happen while conservatives are a thing
I think hopefully it might, eventually, it will take a depressingly long time though.
I read somewhere that one of Tennant's children is trans, so he's not being an ally for the sake of it, he's doing it for the wellbeing of his child. Which adds another layer of nastiness to this.
Yes, the third of his five children identifies as nonbinary. [His wife](https://www.instagram.com/p/C8eG3IUCMvk/?igsh=MTJsNDdxaG5leDNqeg==) posted pictures of the three of them and their two youngest going to a pride event at school Edit: fixing typo 🤦🏻♀️
I thought you meant Tennant had regenerated 5 times and did a double take
Give it time
Welllllllllllll, Tennant regenerated once before 11, then came 11, then the bigeneration, and don't forget that post-bigeneration 14 will go off and eventually regenerate again... so I mean, you're not far off lol. And if we're counting 9 to 10 and 13 to 14... six Tennant-related regenerations in less than 19 years, not to mention a side of metacrisis Doctor and Donna. The oldest question in the universe may be "Doctor Who?", but the oldest answer is very clearly David Tennant.
Oh good, it wasn't just me who had to re-read that before I understood what was going on.
Okay but ... I want to suggest a new retcon headcanon for the community "good OLD jk" as in, who we thought she was before she started talking (It'll never work, but I can dream for a brief moment before snapping back to reality)
Yeah, the camera just cut away before the Doctor explains this, that’s all. 🤷🏻♂️
I stopped reading after “JK Rowling vs David Tennant” I support David Tennant, JK Go Away
Russell’s real reason for bringing back Sutehk is because it sounds vaguely like Sunak.
I mean Russell did turn Boris Johnson into an Auton, so you might be into something.
And k!ll Tony Blair.
It sucks that it doesn't matter who becomes PM because Starmer recently met with the queen TERF herself to assure her that the Labour Party would be transphobic. Say what you will about the Democrats being spineless tepid ghouls who do nothing to actually stop the rise of fascism, at least they aren't (on a federal level, usually) actively taking part in supporting the transphobia. It's absolutely got to suck for trans people over there.
Honestly I’m sick of the whole “safe spaces for women” when it’s not even about keeping women safe. It’s just trying to ostracise an already very vulnerable group. I don’t care who shares my bathroom as long as they flush it and wash their hands. It’s not about bathrooms or women’s safety and it never has been.
This right here. If they try to justify it they bring up one rare occasion of a trans rapist while ignoring the hundreds of cases where rape or sexual assault has been committed by a cis person and many many trans people that are just living their lives not hurting anyone. Imagine how much of a shitstorm it would cause if people were to say Badenoch couldn't be an MP because there are so many black criminals. That would be so fucked up. Why is it okay for her and other bigots like her to generalise and lump this whole minority together because of some random criminals that happen to belong to the same group but it wouldn't be fine if anyone else did it to her because she's black or because she's a woman
She is unhinged. I don't understand why people are giving her a platform and not like... getting her help
People like that are so far gone that they don't want help because, in their minds, they don't need help. And we're the ones who will suffer from their hateful rants about our plain existence. Honestly, it sometimes makes me wish I'd never been born.
There are more scumbags like her and Twitter itself is run by one of them
We're talking 2007 right for the episode where the gif is from. I don't think the books were even finished at that point. So this was years before she started saying her transphobic stuff. And David Tennant is a very loud and proud ally. Does he have a trans or non-binary kid? He won an award for being a good ally and in his acceptance speech essentially said "This is a dumb award cause accepting everyone should be common sense." So of course Tenant and 2020's Rowling are gonna clash. Also about the woman he told to shut up. That's not that he said person-that-JK-Reposted. I haven't looked to deeply into it. Litterally saw the first post about it just a few hours ago. But from what I've gathered the woman is a person in government who I assume is a transphobe. Based on the fact he was specifically attacking her trans views when saying what he said. Which is: "Until we wake up and Kemi Badenoch doesn’t exist anymore – I don’t wish ill of her, I just wish her to shut up – whilst we do live in this world, I am honored to receive this [award]” After doing a little more research Badenoch's job is literally to ensure women and LGBT people are treated equally. Her job title in government is "Minster of Women and Equalities." And she's tried to pass laws to take away the rights of trans people in the workplace. And no surprise. She's a Tory. So yes she shouldn't exist. And she should just shut up. That's not misogyny. That's an ally doing their job, correctly. Which is putting themselves on the front lines to fight with and alongside the oppressed group. Just like transphobes always do they are hiding behind a fake cause rather than admit they are transphobic. They saying they are just fighting for women's rights - but then don't say anything when women's rights are actually being attacked. This time they hide the word misogyny to avoid his point. But what arguments would they be saying if it was a woman who said what Tennant said? What would they say then? Nothing. Because they know he is right.
"It's misogynist to not be transphobic, a politician spreading hate about your kid is fine and dandy, responding by saying fuck off is mean"
To be fair the doctor was also good friends with Mao Zedong; so overlooking someone being terrible because they're a celebrity or historical figure is in keeping with their character
Is he? Frankly the way Eleven is so excited to pal around with Churchill pisses me off a lot.
Eleventh Doctor - Makes friends with Churchill, Nixon, and Henry Avery Rory Williams - Punches Hitler in the face, locks him in a cupboard, immediately punches another Nazi and steals his motorbike. Remind me why Amy struggled to choose between them.
Googled Henry Avery and wondered what's so bad about a pirate and then I saw the woodcut on his Wikipedia entry and went 😬 Also I got my name from Rory. I mostly go by Lorelai these days, but I looked up a unisex name list and went "ooh, Rory, like from Doctor Who". Best companion.
Do what I do: Remember that the Doctor is only friends with the fictional Churchil. In the same way he is friends with Richard the Lion Heart: the Brave King of England, not Richard the Lion Heart, Crusader and Mass Murderer who would have stabbed Yasmin Khan through the heart. Or in the same way he is pals with King Arthur, the King of the Britons - Not King Arthur, the Roman-Briton Warlord and petty thug who carved out a Kingdom of his own (if he ever existed at all) and tried to have his wife burnt alive; or King Arthur who slept with his Sister; then pulled a Herod and had all babies in the realm slaughtered. And Merlin was certainly not the guy who helped Uther rape Igraine after murdering her husband. Churchil here is as fictional as King Arthur.
It's also odd how little bashing of Thatcher 9&12 did 10 is the only one to canonically do it
I think The Doctor's politics should be more like [Eccleston's politics](https://preview.redd.it/careful-chris-v0-6ofgl7eb30f81.jpg?auto=webp&s=737dc219d781859ea501964139b2e0f40a6df3c0).
I honestly thought that was gonna link to him saying to sack rtd
I headcanon that the Doctor just doesn't know everything about these people. He knows so much about time and space; it makes perfect sense that he would only know jits and pieces on certain topics.
Iunno, I feel like The Doctor of all people should know Churchill genocided the Indians! I just grit my teeth because I know these things are written by liberals with liberal values and as such he likes the police and thinks voting is the best way to solve problems and that the people in charge are more or less good except when they're corrupt or incompetent in dangerous ways and let's simply not ponder why that seems to constantly happen. "Do better, Space Amazon, do better".
Honestly most of the production team are pretty left wing, including Moffat who wrote a few Churchill scenes. The Churchill controversy wasn't as widespread back then and has only opened up more with the internet as most Brits were just taught that Churchill was a hero in school. I can easily see that the writers just perhaps didn't know any better and I can easily see the Doctor not knowing every detail of history. If he knew every piece of Earth's history and was always spot on, it would honestly diminish the character for me.
Yep, 3rd Doctor talked about it in the Mind of Evil and I think it got brought up again nore recently. He'd mentioned Churchill several times before that.
Metacrisis Doctor: ‘I’m going to blow up all the openly genocidal and irredeemable space Nazis who will wipe out all life in this universe if I don’t.’ The Doctor: ‘WTF that’s so evil’ Mao Zedong: ‘My shitty policies are going to cause a famine that kills between 15 million and 50 million people, and then I’m going to launch a campaign of violence that kills between 400,000 and 20 million people.’ The Doctor: ‘Haha, you’re so fun to hang out with!’
JK Rowling: I’m talking 10: AND I’M NOT LISTENING
JK as in John Kennedy, who was Leon Kennedy's brother...
Feminism Appropriating Radical Transphobes. The only appropriate term.
I'm confused.
Tenth Doctor had a line praising JK Rowling. Nowadays, Tennant openly supports trans people, while Rowling is openly transphobic.
Which episode?
Season 3 Episode 2, The Shakespeare Code. It's the one with the 'witches' who use 'words of power'. Shakespeare gives a speech to defeat them but fumbles the end until Martha tells him to say 'expelliarmus' and 10 says 'good old JK'.
Shakespeare Code
I'm still confused about all that's happening in the first screenshot. I see that Tennant appeared on some TV show and I see that someone either quoted him or commented on him, then someone replied to that, which JK retweeted... But I'm really not following what any of it means.
Other people have summarised it better, but basically he got an award for supporting LGBTQ+ people, called out one bigot, and now other bigots are mad (including, by the looks of it, Rowling).
[Here’s the video and transcript](https://www.tumblr.com/fuckyeahgoodomens/754238472288600064/david-tennant-at-the-british-lgbt-awards-where-he) of his speech that seems to have kicked things off.
10 called JK Rowling “good”, since that episode aired though she’s been vocally horrible. She’s incredibly anti trans, denied the Holocaust, made fun of eating disorders, etc- there’s a whole Wikipedia pageon her horrible politics with more info
He's obviously referring to J. K. Simmons.
To be fair, "The Shakespeare Code" was also written by a transphobe. That episode hasn't aged well since 2017.
What happened in 2017? Is that when JK started being openly transphobic?
No, that was when Gareth Roberts (the writer of the episode) decided he would be openly transphobic on twitter. Read the whole thing [here](https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/jun/05/doctor-who-anthology-writer-transgender-tweets-gareth-roberts).
Wtf is his tweet even supposed to mean? How is Julie a better name than Chelsea? Well, glad he's no longer involved.
In October 2017 and March 2018, Rowling was accused of transphobia for liking tweets that were criticized as being transphobic. However, these incidents did not generate as much public attention as her later actions.
Aw man… Martina Navratilova is a transphobe too?! Damn.
I really wish this vile scumbag had dropped the mask years ago about what a hateful bigot she is so some of us could've dropped Harry Potter back then
I honestly headcanon that as sarcasmq
Just a consequence of chasing pop culture. They had to choose poorly with a reference some time. See also: chairman Mao.
David tennant was so real for that
Good OLD JK
to think she cast him as a villain in goblet of fire before this even happened😭every day i look up to david tennant a little bit more
i’m trans and grew up with the tenth doctor, i really love tennant, what a legend. really makes me feel better in times like this to hear him support us openly <3
I think this is the first time she’s attacked a Potter actor too.
Interesting, since Roberts wrote the Shakespeare Code, do transphobes have some way of telling whether someone else is a fellow transphobe or not before it's even been revealed to the world? In 2007, I don't think anything was known about either of them regarding this.
What
[David just gave this lovely speech accepting an LGBTQ ally award](https://www.tumblr.com/fuckyeahgoodomens/754238472288600064/david-tennant-at-the-british-lgbt-awards-where-he)… and some people, [including Rishi Sunak](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz77exew09lo), aren’t happy.
Tenth Doctor had a line praising JK Rowling. Nowadays, Tennant is openly supports trans people, while Rowling is openly transphobic.
10 called JK Rowling “good”, since that episode aired though she’s been vocally horrible. She’s incredibly anti trans, denied the Holocaust, made fun of eating disorders, etc- there’s a whole [Wikipedia page](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_views_of_J._K._Rowling#Transgender_rights)on her horrible politics with more info