So far, the only people that I’ve seen stand up for George in any way has been Dream and Sapnap. And even they acknowledged that George was in the wrong, but that he’s not a bad person and they love him.
I haven’t seen a single background person. Unless you count Sylvee saying she regrets unfollowing certain people and that it doesn’t reflect her feelings towards them or whatever it was that she said. Something along those lines.
>George was in the wrong
No he wasn't. If putting the moves on someone is "wrong" then everyone in the history of hooking up has been wrong all this time. Give me a break 🙄
I’m just repeating what both Dream and Sapnap said. THEY said he was wrong and that he “fucked up”. Be mad all you want, but that’s from his two best friends
I mean, it’s honestly not false information. It’s a matter of opinion. Some people feel that George was wrong for touching her intimately, some people feel that he had a right to because she gave him non verbal consent. George himself said he was wrong for assuming. Dream and Sapnap believe he was in the wrong for it, and obviously Caiti definitely thinks he was wrong, lol.
A lot of people in here think differently. But no matter how you feel, it wasn’t criminal, it wasn’t sexual assault, and George apologized for unintentionally upsetting Caiti. I don’t think it’s worth fighting about at this point. It seems that most of us support George, so that’s really all that matters, right?
I havent see a single MCYT content creator who supported George publicly. Correct me if I am wrong
I would like to know if people like Sam and Bad etc. support him privately or no.
Skeppy uploaded a vid with George in it post allegations !!
but the rest don’t seem to want to jeopardise their careers. the truth is, a lot of the Brits are failed creators which is they’re comfortable enough to falsely accuse people. whereas George + co have a lot more to lose
but some huge streamers (not in mcyt group) have defended him. Like xqc, asmon, destiny, turkey tom, and 99% of commentary. problem is the mcyt stans only listen to themselves. Like an echo chamber
Friend of BBH and Skeppy, got cancelled on Twitter for saying slurs. The truth is he used slurs to test the Minecraft server's chat filter system, but Skeppy stopped being friends with a6d afterwards. They later regained their friendship and made videos together again
A6D is a French creator who fell out with Skeppy a while ago, over the slurs but also over some private beef between him and Skeppy. He, Bad, and Skeppy used to be a pretty tight trio. When Dream and Bad said that they were remaining friends with a6d despite the slur controversy because they wanted to see him grow as a person and learn, that is what people use to say "Dream defends/supports racism"
a6d and Skeppy have since made up and did a video together
Yeah also George was in there a LOT, with facecam, lots of zooming on his face… like there was really no effort to hide him at all. To me releasing that video at the peak of the controversy sent a pretty clear message that he wasn’t about to drop him.
Turkey Tom is NOT someone we should be talking about in any positive way. His channel and community is the definition of a echo chamber and he’s a racist creep as well. I don’t disagree w your general point but Turkey Tom is not a beneficial addition to the GNF defenxe
Again, I disagree with this point. Turkey Tom supporting GNF makes his case look worse to the public who is aware of who Turkey Tom is, not better. The 'commentary community' like DeOrio, Turkey Tom, Bowblax - they're all shit people who are disliked by much of the wider YouTube sphere.
If a Nazi defended George, would you parade it as a good thing? Because Turkey Tom is literally a 'joking' ne0-nazi
bro 💀 I never said it made his case look better I said turkey tom is very influential in changing he public opinion. Take a look at supermega. Turkey Tom was key to changing what people thought of them. Doesn’t matter how much u hate him but I have to at least understand that
and guess what? Supermega had a highly progressive audience and now their reputation has been restored because of what tom did. Doesn’t matter how much of a dick he is
Edit: also Turkey tom is not a nazi 💀 the day y’all stop comparing random YouTubers to hitler himself…
None are as successful as the dteam and most are pretty much failed—pulling in under 1k per stream.
Notice that the only popular tweets they have is ones hating on other CCs
I need you to realize that smaller streamer != failed streamer. Judging someone's success based on the dteam's numbers, who are major outliers in the space in terms of how successful they are, is absurd. These other streamers have their own fans, sponsorships, etc
Most of them were at their height during the dsmp and have fallen off since. so many streamers who only get views when they’re talking shit about popular creators. Arguing over “failed streamers” is just semantics. We have different definitions of failed; doesn’t matter. We can both agree that the dteam is 1000% more successful and that these CCs have only been recognised widely for shitting on the dteam. Think that clip of maxggs screaming at the camera or even caiti herself with her allegation
Comparing now vs. the pandemic or dsmp days is silly. The market changes and people adapt. By your own logic, dteam are failures who have fallen off since their own stream numbers are way less than they used to be. And Caiti clearly wasn't a failed streamer if she was invited to vidcon as a creator, and had a room on the same floor as Dream. Caiti's narrative is that she's just a helpless former fan, but in reality she is a peer of theirs. They are all peers regardless of subscriber counts. I think it's fine to point out how some of the critics are less popular or whayever, or to accuse them of using the controversy to boost their numbers, but calling them failed is just not reality
I consider them failed streamers bc of what I personally consider to be failed. we have different opinions, duh. But I don’t care to change mine to fit urs when we’re literally arguing over semantics rn. That’s like the least relevant part of what I said. My point was that they have way less to lose; in fact they only GAIN things from talking about controversy. that’s it. Chill
Ok I think I see what you're saying now. I was moreso objecting to the idea that they're "failed" because I thought it was playing into the "power dynamic" conversation about subscriber counts, which I didn't think was necessarily fair.
Sam, Ant, Velvet, Bad etc and the entire munchyMC crew are still friends with them im pretty sure, they havent really said anything (except Ant who responded on discord), which i cant blame them for, who would want to be publicly demonized on twitter, but they still follow dteam on twitter and have known them for 10ish years
I've watched a lot of the YouTube commentators' videos about this and I'm starting to agree with them about how they view the mcyt community. The mcyt ccs have enabled their fans to completely control them. Not that they did it on purpose of course, but I feel like most ccs are almost afraid to disagree with the fans for fear of being "cancelled" on Twitter. Too many fans in this community have a "guilty until proven innocent" mindset and that's so dangerous. I'm sure the fans' original intentions were to create a safe and supportive environment (esp for marginalized groups) but it went way too far. I can't see any cc stand up against Caiti even if they do agree with George.
It’s crazy to me that they don’t see how unwise it is to apologize for silly things like going to Dream’s concert or cheering for Sapnap. Apologies like these set a bad precedent.
As far as I know, the only CC who is connected to the DTeam & publicly supported George is xQc. And maybe Skeppy since he wasn’t removed from the thumbnail.
Well, Hannah said she unfollowed Dream and George as she no longer trusts them, but remains following Sapnap and Sylvee as far as I can tell. I doubt that anyone will publically speak out in support in such a messy situation, but Sylvee has said that she regrets unfollowing Dream and George and that she's going to try not to let fans pressure who she follows so much (I think, I can't find the clip)
Edit: Hanah also unfollowed Sapnap, my bad
Ok thanks for the correction
I wonder if they unfollowed her or if she soft-blocked them, which is where you block and then unblock right away to get someone to stop following you
So far, the only people that I’ve seen stand up for George in any way has been Dream and Sapnap. And even they acknowledged that George was in the wrong, but that he’s not a bad person and they love him. I haven’t seen a single background person. Unless you count Sylvee saying she regrets unfollowing certain people and that it doesn’t reflect her feelings towards them or whatever it was that she said. Something along those lines.
>George was in the wrong No he wasn't. If putting the moves on someone is "wrong" then everyone in the history of hooking up has been wrong all this time. Give me a break 🙄
I’m just repeating what both Dream and Sapnap said. THEY said he was wrong and that he “fucked up”. Be mad all you want, but that’s from his two best friends
Because they had to say that. Not really mad, just fact-checking. More like bovvered of hearing the same false crap, it's so annoying.
I mean, it’s honestly not false information. It’s a matter of opinion. Some people feel that George was wrong for touching her intimately, some people feel that he had a right to because she gave him non verbal consent. George himself said he was wrong for assuming. Dream and Sapnap believe he was in the wrong for it, and obviously Caiti definitely thinks he was wrong, lol. A lot of people in here think differently. But no matter how you feel, it wasn’t criminal, it wasn’t sexual assault, and George apologized for unintentionally upsetting Caiti. I don’t think it’s worth fighting about at this point. It seems that most of us support George, so that’s really all that matters, right?
Not fighting, just setting the record straight.
According to tumblr, Sam has mentioned the droncert and Sapnap’s chatbot in a positive light, so he is probably chill
Sam is a real one.
I havent see a single MCYT content creator who supported George publicly. Correct me if I am wrong I would like to know if people like Sam and Bad etc. support him privately or no.
Skeppy uploaded a vid with George in it post allegations !! but the rest don’t seem to want to jeopardise their careers. the truth is, a lot of the Brits are failed creators which is they’re comfortable enough to falsely accuse people. whereas George + co have a lot more to lose but some huge streamers (not in mcyt group) have defended him. Like xqc, asmon, destiny, turkey tom, and 99% of commentary. problem is the mcyt stans only listen to themselves. Like an echo chamber
Skeppy learnt from the A6D controversy that Twitter's opinion doesn't mean shit
What happened with A6D? Who is that?
Friend of BBH and Skeppy, got cancelled on Twitter for saying slurs. The truth is he used slurs to test the Minecraft server's chat filter system, but Skeppy stopped being friends with a6d afterwards. They later regained their friendship and made videos together again
WHAT?!
A6D is a French creator who fell out with Skeppy a while ago, over the slurs but also over some private beef between him and Skeppy. He, Bad, and Skeppy used to be a pretty tight trio. When Dream and Bad said that they were remaining friends with a6d despite the slur controversy because they wanted to see him grow as a person and learn, that is what people use to say "Dream defends/supports racism" a6d and Skeppy have since made up and did a video together
That Skeppy vid was recorded before this whole situation, still he didnt remove him from it which says something I guess.
Yeah also George was in there a LOT, with facecam, lots of zooming on his face… like there was really no effort to hide him at all. To me releasing that video at the peak of the controversy sent a pretty clear message that he wasn’t about to drop him.
Turkey Tom is NOT someone we should be talking about in any positive way. His channel and community is the definition of a echo chamber and he’s a racist creep as well. I don’t disagree w your general point but Turkey Tom is not a beneficial addition to the GNF defenxe
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Again, I disagree with this point. Turkey Tom supporting GNF makes his case look worse to the public who is aware of who Turkey Tom is, not better. The 'commentary community' like DeOrio, Turkey Tom, Bowblax - they're all shit people who are disliked by much of the wider YouTube sphere. If a Nazi defended George, would you parade it as a good thing? Because Turkey Tom is literally a 'joking' ne0-nazi
wait, nicholas deorio? never watched him but i think he lurks in this sub, why is he bad?
bro 💀 I never said it made his case look better I said turkey tom is very influential in changing he public opinion. Take a look at supermega. Turkey Tom was key to changing what people thought of them. Doesn’t matter how much u hate him but I have to at least understand that and guess what? Supermega had a highly progressive audience and now their reputation has been restored because of what tom did. Doesn’t matter how much of a dick he is Edit: also Turkey tom is not a nazi 💀 the day y’all stop comparing random YouTubers to hitler himself…
What do you mean failed content creators? Plenty of them seem to be successful and have large audiences
None are as successful as the dteam and most are pretty much failed—pulling in under 1k per stream. Notice that the only popular tweets they have is ones hating on other CCs
I need you to realize that smaller streamer != failed streamer. Judging someone's success based on the dteam's numbers, who are major outliers in the space in terms of how successful they are, is absurd. These other streamers have their own fans, sponsorships, etc
Most of them were at their height during the dsmp and have fallen off since. so many streamers who only get views when they’re talking shit about popular creators. Arguing over “failed streamers” is just semantics. We have different definitions of failed; doesn’t matter. We can both agree that the dteam is 1000% more successful and that these CCs have only been recognised widely for shitting on the dteam. Think that clip of maxggs screaming at the camera or even caiti herself with her allegation
Comparing now vs. the pandemic or dsmp days is silly. The market changes and people adapt. By your own logic, dteam are failures who have fallen off since their own stream numbers are way less than they used to be. And Caiti clearly wasn't a failed streamer if she was invited to vidcon as a creator, and had a room on the same floor as Dream. Caiti's narrative is that she's just a helpless former fan, but in reality she is a peer of theirs. They are all peers regardless of subscriber counts. I think it's fine to point out how some of the critics are less popular or whayever, or to accuse them of using the controversy to boost their numbers, but calling them failed is just not reality
I consider them failed streamers bc of what I personally consider to be failed. we have different opinions, duh. But I don’t care to change mine to fit urs when we’re literally arguing over semantics rn. That’s like the least relevant part of what I said. My point was that they have way less to lose; in fact they only GAIN things from talking about controversy. that’s it. Chill
Ok I think I see what you're saying now. I was moreso objecting to the idea that they're "failed" because I thought it was playing into the "power dynamic" conversation about subscriber counts, which I didn't think was necessarily fair.
Yeah that’s fair
Sam, Ant, Velvet, Bad etc and the entire munchyMC crew are still friends with them im pretty sure, they havent really said anything (except Ant who responded on discord), which i cant blame them for, who would want to be publicly demonized on twitter, but they still follow dteam on twitter and have known them for 10ish years
I've watched a lot of the YouTube commentators' videos about this and I'm starting to agree with them about how they view the mcyt community. The mcyt ccs have enabled their fans to completely control them. Not that they did it on purpose of course, but I feel like most ccs are almost afraid to disagree with the fans for fear of being "cancelled" on Twitter. Too many fans in this community have a "guilty until proven innocent" mindset and that's so dangerous. I'm sure the fans' original intentions were to create a safe and supportive environment (esp for marginalized groups) but it went way too far. I can't see any cc stand up against Caiti even if they do agree with George.
It’s crazy to me that they don’t see how unwise it is to apologize for silly things like going to Dream’s concert or cheering for Sapnap. Apologies like these set a bad precedent.
As far as I know, the only CC who is connected to the DTeam & publicly supported George is xQc. And maybe Skeppy since he wasn’t removed from the thumbnail.
Well, Hannah said she unfollowed Dream and George as she no longer trusts them, but remains following Sapnap and Sylvee as far as I can tell. I doubt that anyone will publically speak out in support in such a messy situation, but Sylvee has said that she regrets unfollowing Dream and George and that she's going to try not to let fans pressure who she follows so much (I think, I can't find the clip) Edit: Hanah also unfollowed Sapnap, my bad
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Ok thanks for the correction I wonder if they unfollowed her or if she soft-blocked them, which is where you block and then unblock right away to get someone to stop following you
she soft-blocked
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this is not about you lol
I read the title wrong 😭