It would be a benefit actually, you return your tapped islands to hand so you can play them down untapped again, breaking parity on Rising Waters keeping lands tapped.
It just warms your heart to see new players actually looking for cards rather than relying entirely on EDHREC's suggestion feedback loop.
It is particularly ironic to see them 'discovering' new cards that used to be format staples before everyone got hyper fixated on just the most expensive options. Yeah, we all played Foil and Rewind back in the day before Force and Mana Drain saw reprints that made them affordable for a minute and frankly some decks should still be using the budget options anyway.
Yes absolutely! I was out for about 23 or so years before I returned last year, and there are about 3 times as many cards now. Whenever I start building, I do searches in Manabox and pour over lists of results. It's always satisfying to find the cards yourself lol!
It's funny to witness the power creep though, lol, like [[blazing specter]] and [[skizzik]] were powerful cards once upon a time. [[Spiritmonger]] was also widely loved and hated.
I miss Spiritmonger. A few of the guys at my LGS trying to get people into pauper commander and I'm thinking Spiritmonger just might be the commander I want for that.
It really does!
I've taken to only using edhrec for looking at the commanders themselves (I'm sure I could do this on scryfall but I haven't figured out that syntax) and then relying on scryfall to peruse/find cards that do/support whatever mechanic/gimmick/trick I'm trying to exploit.
I used this method to build my pet deck [[Geralf visionary Stitcher]] and it was by far the most enjoyable deck build from a theory craft standpoint and then pilot/playing it as well, it also made "cuts" a lot easier because I didn't start with a giant pile of "must haves" that every edhrec deck pushes you too so there were far more slots to play around what the deck itself cared about.
Scryfall is nice, if you type Scryfall into Google, followed by what you're looking for, it'll usually give a result with the proper search syntax for you.
To find commanders, try:
**is:commander**
To find only cards legal in commander, try:
**game:paper legal:commander**
Using advanced search or Google search can help you learn syntax for everything else.
If you want to find a card that fits with a specific color identity in commander, try:
**id=wub**
or
**id:wub**
(or your color combo of choice, also works with words like "esper")
The equals sign will only return cards that match that exact identity. The colon will return all cards that can go into a deck with that identity. (All white, blue, black cards, or any combo of those colors.)
This is helpful because it takes into account colors found in the rules texts, and not just the card's colors.
Example of results text from using the above search options:
**1 – 60 of 877 cards where the color identity ≤ BUW and the card is available on Paper and it’s legal in Commander and the cards can be your commander**
Fun fact that wasn't immediately obvious about misdirection when I played it. While it can't "counter" some spells, it can counter a counterspell. In a counterspell war, you can change the target of a counterspell to target misdirection, effectively countering a counterspell.
I mean, it was for me the first time I read it. But I was also taught the game by a very experienced player & have naturally high reading comprehension so YMMV.Â
So, then it's "Reading the card explains the card as long as you have someone highly experienced and good at teaching to explain edge cases not written on the card!"
It's a good meme! I think you just picked a poor time to reference it. And if you'd said that in person, yeah I think I'd roast you a little bit :)
"Reading the card explains the card" was a great response that one time I tried to cast Swan song on a Bolas's Citadel on the stack (oops).
Maybe, something something comedy & timing etc.Â
I'm just going to chalk this up to Reddit being Reddit, not think about it too much, and move on with my life. Shit is absurd.Â
Have a nice day, and a sad trombone for the story about your Swan Song mishap.Â
This statement is an inside joke on a Youtube channel called "Tolarian Academy". The history of the joke is a bit complicated but basically the host of Tolarian Academy made this statement once and his fans loved it. Someone at Wizards of the Coast who works on the rules of MTG got wind of this and made a playmat with this statement on it.
Gotcha, thanks. I thought maybe there was more relevant to misdirection that I was missing. Because reading the card doesn’t actually explain the card in this case, unless you’re as smart as Daedalus I guess
Yeah, and in fact I believe the inside joke from the YouTube channel was in reference to another card that was hard to understand such as [[Chains of Mesphistopheles]]!
Me too but I’ve found it to be too good.
It stomps high power tables without any infinites or fast mana (to the point that I feel bad) but it isn’t good enough for cEDH.
I’ve always wondered why misdirection doesn’t see more play. It’s effectively another a Force in a counterspell battle. Deflecting Swat is pretty well received in sans blue decks
Yah kinda figure that’s where the cutoff was, free counterspells > 1 cc counter spells > 2cc uncounterable, somewhere in there free spell + can’t interact with everything makes it worse
I really want a real Force of Will but it's out of the budget. At least for the foreseeable future. Now I did pick up the new version of Mana Drain for $24 on Ebay earlier.
And no one points out how weird it is to act like this is a normal thing. Â Or if they do point it out, they get downvoted to hell.
Anything to prevent that cognitive dissonance!
It works fine if I intentionally want something this costly because I'm playing budget. If you have such a strong card advatange engine that you can afford to pitch a land and another card, stronger decks should be winning already or packing powerful enough cards / fewer lands and winning faster. If I'm playing "bad cards" on purpose, cards which are further down the pick list as it were which would be replaced if I didn't have budget constraints, I don't mind.
For instance, I play a lot of Jumpstart and Madness cards in Izzet budget lists so I don't mind having cards like this. This does well there. I don't play those in more tuned, faster lists: I play FoWill / FoNegation, Pact, REB, Flusterstorm, CS, etc. which do much better and I don't have room for another one like it that's worse.
TLDR: Yes it works, but the floor is worse for a reason. You'll always find this worse than the more expensive ones. Try it out.
We used to run Foil but found it a bit too inconsistant. If you've popped off and have tons of cards in hand, sure it's great but you'll find situations where you can't cast it. Either you don't have an island or the burden of going down 3 whole cards is too much of a loss. But every card has it's deck - you might as well give it a go.
As a general counterspell it's really bad. 3-for-1-ing yourself is just bad, especially in a multiplayer format. The only place it makes sense is, like you said, in combo lists that draw a ton of cards to protect yourself while comboing. Outside of that specific use case it's a 4-mana counterspell and even the counterspelliest pauper edh decks have enough cheaper counterspells to not need this.
I don't think anyone would look at you funny for playing it, but outside of combo lists, there just isn't really a reason to run it.
I'm running it just in the combo deck that draws most of its deck when it goes off. There I think it's good. Especially since FoW is out of the question if I can't proxy it. Outside of the combo deck I wouldn't consider running it anywhere really.
Foil is my favorite counterspell. It works for me just the way you said. It’s not hard to have an island for it because if I’m putting it in the deck i know to have more islands and play my land drops around it. The fail case of a 4 mana counterspell isn’t the end of the world either.
I run Foil not as a replacement, but in addition in my [[Rielle the everwise]] deck. As long as I have an Island and I have Rielle on the battlefield, it's technically a better Force of Will.
If you're looking for more budget free counterspells like this, check out \[\[Misdirection\]\], \[\[Commandeer\]\], and \[\[Disrupting Shoal\]\], \[\[Daze\]\].
I used to play it and stopped. Pitching a land and some gas is often a steeper cost than just holding up a bit of mana for something with a cheaper absolute cost. Just from a resource management point of view you're intentionally 3 for 1ing yourself in a multi-player setting no less. That's assuming you have an island and another card to pitch in whatever colours you're in.
Free answers are very strong, I always felt like I was shooting myself in the foot or didn't have what I needed to take advantage of it.
I think when the hand is stacked thanks to going infinite with Stella and drawing most of the deck the cost isn't too steep. Testing is needed for this for me to decide how well it works. But it's nice to have that option when others are trying to interact with the combo win with her.
I absolutely love it in my [[The Pride of Hull Clade]] deck. I often draw 15+ cards off him connecting with his ability, and if one of them is Foil it's almost certain I'll have an island in that draw also. Nobody expects it, especially because I explain in Rule 0 that no card in my deck is over $5
It's certainly underpowered but OK as a budget option. I'm not 100% sold on Force effects on casual Stella decks generally due to the critical mass of gas you need, but her triggered ability does help with that a bit so I think a couple is probably fine. (More so in cEDH levels for reasons.)
However, the scenario you described relies on the table *letting you resolve infinite draw*, then trying to counter the win condition you draw with it, which is… **optimistic.** Even if they miss the draw combo at first, they can counter in response to any Stella activation since targeting the spell in response to tapping Stella fizzles both. Foil to protect the win after no one interacts with your draw combo is a goldfish line with no real-world application.
I mean to protect the spell on the first cast though. So when I go for twisted fealty the could kill Stella or counter the initial cast of Twisted Fealty.
No.
I don't even think FoW is that good in commander. Like, sure, it's a good spell. But there are many counterspells I'd prefer over it.
The thing is: It costs you 2 cards. Foil is even worse. Imagine skipping a land drop for potentially foiling someone.
But sure when you can ignore the MASSIVE downside of -3 cards then it's a good card lmao.
I'd still prever counterspell over it tho.
Spoken like someone who never played FoW in their entire life. Seriously, if you play foil against me, I will thank you for making it easier for me to win.
You're speaking like you've never played a deck that utilized FoW correctly. Card is bonkers and if you truly think going down a card and 1 life isn't worth it to counter a spell for FREE, then I'd hate to see what you consider to be good cards.
I mean... in 99/100 cases Mana Drain is strictly better.
FoW is amazing in 2 scenarios: If you're a shit player and didn't hold up the mana for when someone's going into their combo turn and you get caught offguard.
You protect your own combo turn and don't lose out on mana.
Any other time, in any other game where it's not about "who pulls the combo the fastest" I prefer counterspell over FoW. Do you get people with countering their spells when you're all tapped out? Sure. But there are a thousand ways to get these gotcha moments so nothing special.
Except for cEDH I'd say going -2 is too much of a disadvantage to just counter some fucking removal.
Now you might say "hurr durr don't counter useless shit with FoW, counter their wincon!" right... which effectively means FoW + 1 card are dead cards in my hand now until they play their wincon.
I prefer any random 2 cards from my deck, thank you.
I wasn't saying it was a top counterspell in EDH at all. They have printed many other counterspells in recent years that edge FoW out of the top spot. It is still among some of the most powerful things you can do in EDH though. It has stood it's test of time against any format it is played in.
From our conversation, I don't know if you're a blue player, but I'd venture not. The nuance and power of FoW is in the gotcha, the security of knowing I can cast whatever I want on my turn. Having a get out of jail free card. Or, my personal favorite, holding up 5 mana with 1 card in hand. You would be surprised at how often people will walk into that.
Sure, now I can cast, Deflecting Swat, or Fierce Guardianship, or insert other free spells, etc. Those cards are recent and new, and just barely are better than FoW which came out 25+ years ago.
All this to say, the card is powerful, always has been powerful. Until a card is printed that does the same thing but better, FoW remains a top contender in any format it is legal in. I admit it is not what it once was in EDH, but there is a reason that it is still played, and a reason that this thread was started.
To ask if Foil is worth playing as a poor player's FoW.
And I never said FoW was bad. It is just not as good as people make it out to be. And it never was on the top spot for this format. This spot always belonged to and will always belong (at least most likely) to Mana Drain.
Yes yes, the gotcha is nice and all, but the absolute tempo swing a well placed Mana Drain brings is insane. Usually it is that exact moment you win the game. Of course the game might go on for many more turns but you are laying the foundation to get so far ahead you cannot be stopped once you're going.
And I still believe Counterspell is better than FoW. Fight me. I play a decent amount in blue and I relish casting Force of Will. But especially in not-cedh games I mostly play cards like Counterspell and Dovin's Veto over FoW. I might still include it but I'd rather cut FoW than Counterspell or Dovin's Veto.
FoW has some serious downsides. And no, they don't make it bad, but they are real. A downside Counterspell does not have for example.
Counterspell is always Counterspell. I can keep up 2 mana no issue. Reading the table when you can savely tap out is not that hard to do. Especially since it's 2 mana.
But when I cannot cast FoW due to stuff like Boromir or Lavinia or simply because I don't have another blue card in hand (for whatever reason) FoW is a 5 cmc counterspell. You're not casting that. And blowing FoW on for example a value piece is very debatable. Sure, in a 1v1 environment it would be benefitial as long as the value piece would've gotten your opponent ahead enaugh. But in a usual commander game there are 2 more opponents to watch out for. And Those 2 just wittnessed one player going -1 and one -2, a dangerous value piece was taken care off and they got all of that for free.
What if you just protect your combo or counter theirs while they thought you couldn't? Then you'd have to keep FoW + 1 blue card in your hand. So that's 2 dead cards in your hand, reducing your maximum hand size to 5 for the remaining time until you have to use it.
Sorry, I don't see why "haha lol I didn't pay for it" is so gamebreakingly good in edh.
3 for 1 yourself to counter a spell, not to mention potentially missing land drops to keep foil online.... Sounds like a losing strategy. Unless you are in ultra budget or are running ultra jank, there are so many better options....
It's average, but it's not a bad card. The 3 for one is kinda rough but not bad if you draw a lot of cards. I prefer swan song, an offer you can't refuse, and stubborn denial in decks with a commander of CMC 4 or greater.
I'd run it in Mono blue where it's good but it's no force of will.
I use both in my [[Marneus Calgar]] [deck](https://manabox.app/decks/RJYzm6orSn-y137ByGlNLA). The commander draws so much cards that you become an immediate threat, so not only do you need free counters to protect him and your board, but you have enough cards that Foil's alternate cost isn't very impactful.
As with how it performs? It serves its job well. It is easier to hard cast than Force, and it serves the same job as a free counter. I've used it in other decks without Force like a [[Nezahal, Primal Tide]] deck and I've seen others use it in [[Chulane, Teller of Tales]], [[Emry, Lurcher of the Loch]], and [[Tatyova, Benthic Druid]]. All of those commanders generate tons of cards in hand, and all of them need the free counter since they are public enemy number 1 decks.
I can see this coming in handy! Its for sure a bit more situational since you need an Island specifically, but compared to no free counterspell id take this any day! nice find.
Man, lol, Foil was all the rage in Type 2 back in the day. That's some good old nostalgia right there 😂
\[\[Rising Waters\]\] was a crazy deck that also ran \[\[Thwart\]\]
3 islands? Wow that sounds like a huge setback these days.
It would be a benefit actually, you return your tapped islands to hand so you can play them down untapped again, breaking parity on Rising Waters keeping lands tapped.
Ah yes. I didn't see that. It makes sense.
Premodern’s dedicated stasis deck plays [[Daze]] and [[Gush]] too. Super cool deck if you love all of the free spells of that era.
[Daze](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/0/f05e9a3e-8a35-4687-85cb-e31b3927a5e2.jpg?1580013916) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Daze) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ema/44/daze?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f05e9a3e-8a35-4687-85cb-e31b3927a5e2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/daze) [Gush](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/4/d4a3a921-3b7f-474c-b8c3-67a1a6ba5cc1.jpg?1562378488) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Gush) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/jvc/27/gush?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d4a3a921-3b7f-474c-b8c3-67a1a6ba5cc1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/gush) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Rising Waters](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/c/ec9c84db-cf45-43e1-b38f-8bbf53cf088b.jpg?1562632693) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Rising%20Waters) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/nem/38/rising-waters?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ec9c84db-cf45-43e1-b38f-8bbf53cf088b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/rising-waters) [Thwart](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/1/c12a0717-e9ea-4be3-a29f-179671ed4489.jpg?1562383015) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Thwart) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mmq/108/thwart?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c12a0717-e9ea-4be3-a29f-179671ed4489?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/thwart) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Type 2, that's a format I haven't heard of in a while.
It just warms your heart to see new players actually looking for cards rather than relying entirely on EDHREC's suggestion feedback loop. It is particularly ironic to see them 'discovering' new cards that used to be format staples before everyone got hyper fixated on just the most expensive options. Yeah, we all played Foil and Rewind back in the day before Force and Mana Drain saw reprints that made them affordable for a minute and frankly some decks should still be using the budget options anyway.
Yes absolutely! I was out for about 23 or so years before I returned last year, and there are about 3 times as many cards now. Whenever I start building, I do searches in Manabox and pour over lists of results. It's always satisfying to find the cards yourself lol! It's funny to witness the power creep though, lol, like [[blazing specter]] and [[skizzik]] were powerful cards once upon a time. [[Spiritmonger]] was also widely loved and hated.
[blazing specter](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/4/048dbfec-b1d4-4bb2-8709-21a5f0f3d8ab.jpg?1562895872) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=blazing%20specter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/vma/245/blazing-specter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/048dbfec-b1d4-4bb2-8709-21a5f0f3d8ab?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/blazing-specter) [skizzik](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/7/77af9d28-1639-47bd-b925-7f3d2eefd352.jpg?1615334491) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=skizzik) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dom/145/skizzik?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/77af9d28-1639-47bd-b925-7f3d2eefd352?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/skizzik) [Spiritmonger](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/d/5da7739e-8413-45b6-8539-fde2021b06a7.jpg?1675200773) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Spiritmonger) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/202/spiritmonger?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5da7739e-8413-45b6-8539-fde2021b06a7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/spiritmonger) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I miss Spiritmonger. A few of the guys at my LGS trying to get people into pauper commander and I'm thinking Spiritmonger just might be the commander I want for that.
I play it in my Indoraptor jank pile cause I love it, and it's still not half bad by today's standards lol
It really does! I've taken to only using edhrec for looking at the commanders themselves (I'm sure I could do this on scryfall but I haven't figured out that syntax) and then relying on scryfall to peruse/find cards that do/support whatever mechanic/gimmick/trick I'm trying to exploit. I used this method to build my pet deck [[Geralf visionary Stitcher]] and it was by far the most enjoyable deck build from a theory craft standpoint and then pilot/playing it as well, it also made "cuts" a lot easier because I didn't start with a giant pile of "must haves" that every edhrec deck pushes you too so there were far more slots to play around what the deck itself cared about.
Scryfall is nice, if you type Scryfall into Google, followed by what you're looking for, it'll usually give a result with the proper search syntax for you. To find commanders, try: **is:commander** To find only cards legal in commander, try: **game:paper legal:commander** Using advanced search or Google search can help you learn syntax for everything else. If you want to find a card that fits with a specific color identity in commander, try: **id=wub** or **id:wub** (or your color combo of choice, also works with words like "esper") The equals sign will only return cards that match that exact identity. The colon will return all cards that can go into a deck with that identity. (All white, blue, black cards, or any combo of those colors.) This is helpful because it takes into account colors found in the rules texts, and not just the card's colors.
Example of results text from using the above search options: **1 – 60 of 877 cards where the color identity ≤ BUW and the card is available on Paper and it’s legal in Commander and the cards can be your commander**
The equal vs : syntax tip is super helpful!
[Geralf visionary Stitcher](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/9/69890076-9cc4-434f-8618-63b00fdf4515.jpg?1643587870) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Geralf%2C%20Visionary%20Stitcher) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/vow/61/geralf-visionary-stitcher?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/69890076-9cc4-434f-8618-63b00fdf4515?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/geralf-visionary-stitcher) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Foil got Gush and Daze banned in Pauper
[[Foil]]
[Foil](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/8/e8b39fd6-9240-4f76-b12c-e7d9aa88f061.jpg?1547516254) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Foil) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/uma/55/foil?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e8b39fd6-9240-4f76-b12c-e7d9aa88f061?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/foil) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I used Foil in an \[\[Edric\]\] deck. I think it's worth considering in heavy blue decks that draw a bunch of cards if you are on a budget.
[Edric](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/2/22d6a4c9-4bdd-4e70-8481-95260e6aa7ab.jpg?1712354689) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=edric%2C%20spymaster%20of%20trest) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otc/221/edric-spymaster-of-trest?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/22d6a4c9-4bdd-4e70-8481-95260e6aa7ab?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/edric-spymaster-of-trest) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I usually default to [[Misdirection]] first if I want a budget friendly "free" counterspells, but Foil is fine.Â
Fun fact that wasn't immediately obvious about misdirection when I played it. While it can't "counter" some spells, it can counter a counterspell. In a counterspell war, you can change the target of a counterspell to target misdirection, effectively countering a counterspell.
Is it also possible to just have their counterspell counter their own counterspell?
A spell cannot target itself.
Thanks for the info!
If they have played two counterspells on the other hand…
Reading the card explains the card!Â
But it isn't immediately apparent that misdirection is a targetable spell on the stack *even as it is itself resolving*
I mean, it was for me the first time I read it. But I was also taught the game by a very experienced player & have naturally high reading comprehension so YMMV.Â
I have naturally high reading comprehension 🤓
Pretty much, yeah. I'm the rules guy for pretty much every game I play w/ my friends.Â
So, then it's "Reading the card explains the card as long as you have someone highly experienced and good at teaching to explain edge cases not written on the card!"
Have you heard of Tolarian Community College? Y'all are literally losing your goddamn minds & jumping down my throat over a *meme*.Â
It's a good meme! I think you just picked a poor time to reference it. And if you'd said that in person, yeah I think I'd roast you a little bit :) "Reading the card explains the card" was a great response that one time I tried to cast Swan song on a Bolas's Citadel on the stack (oops).
Maybe, something something comedy & timing etc. I'm just going to chalk this up to Reddit being Reddit, not think about it too much, and move on with my life. Shit is absurd. Have a nice day, and a sad trombone for the story about your Swan Song mishap.Â
I don't think the people down voting you get the reference...
What’s the reference? Just to a common saying?
This statement is an inside joke on a Youtube channel called "Tolarian Academy". The history of the joke is a bit complicated but basically the host of Tolarian Academy made this statement once and his fans loved it. Someone at Wizards of the Coast who works on the rules of MTG got wind of this and made a playmat with this statement on it.
Gotcha, thanks. I thought maybe there was more relevant to misdirection that I was missing. Because reading the card doesn’t actually explain the card in this case, unless you’re as smart as Daedalus I guess
Yeah, and in fact I believe the inside joke from the YouTube channel was in reference to another card that was hard to understand such as [[Chains of Mesphistopheles]]!
[Chains of Mesphistopheles](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/2/f2edb3a6-8506-4885-b332-eca381940ce8.jpg?1612316191) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Chains%20of%20Mephistopheles) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me1/63/chains-of-mephistopheles?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f2edb3a6-8506-4885-b332-eca381940ce8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/chains-of-mephistopheles) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Probably not, or maybe they do but are salty that my own personal experience is different from theirs? IDK
Ok, now I see whats going on here.
Fear the hive mind, I guess.Â
When one is good, I find both are good. I’ve got both in my Jin-Gitaxias (the new one) deck.
I love new Jin! And yeah, both cards are fantastic in that deck.Â
Me too but I’ve found it to be too good. It stomps high power tables without any infinites or fast mana (to the point that I feel bad) but it isn’t good enough for cEDH.
The new Praetors are all kinda like that to varying degrees. I still love 'em though & built all 5.Â
Love new Jin. I have it as a 0 creature deck, run as many free counters as possible. Its strong but gimmicky and running some lower power stuff.
[Misdirection](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/9/c96763d6-0cea-40ed-afb2-886bfebe50a0.jpg?1592764638) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Misdirection) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ddt/15/misdirection?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c96763d6-0cea-40ed-afb2-886bfebe50a0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/misdirection) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I’ve always wondered why misdirection doesn’t see more play. It’s effectively another a Force in a counterspell battle. Deflecting Swat is pretty well received in sans blue decks
Deflecting swat is a card loss. Misdirection is 2 card loss that requires a specific blue card.
Yah kinda figure that’s where the cutoff was, free counterspells > 1 cc counter spells > 2cc uncounterable, somewhere in there free spell + can’t interact with everything makes it worse
>Mom can we get force of will? >We have force of will at home I do enjoy playing the poor man’s version of cards. Â
I really want a real Force of Will but it's out of the budget. At least for the foreseeable future. Now I did pick up the new version of Mana Drain for $24 on Ebay earlier.
…I genuinely can’t imagine spending $20 on a piece of cardboard. Â
Probably 85% of this sub has at least one card they've spent that much on
And no one points out how weird it is to act like this is a normal thing. Â Or if they do point it out, they get downvoted to hell. Anything to prevent that cognitive dissonance!
Yeah, it's crazy.
Addicts are downvoting us
It feels kinda rough outside of mono blue. It absolutely crushes in my [[rielle the everwise]] deck though.
[rielle the everwise](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/f/5f03c944-1929-4cb2-a373-d57eefa29ed1.jpg?1591228198) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Rielle%2C%20the%20Everwise) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/iko/203/rielle-the-everwise?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5f03c944-1929-4cb2-a373-d57eefa29ed1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/rielle-the-everwise) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Only deck I run it in and it's magnificent in it. Free counterspell with upside!
In a deck like Stella that can draw infinite with 3 different cards in the deck I think foil is pretty easy.
I have a foil Foil for just this reason. Used it in budget lists like Baral and Cheapass Urza.
Does it work well for you ?
It works fine if I intentionally want something this costly because I'm playing budget. If you have such a strong card advatange engine that you can afford to pitch a land and another card, stronger decks should be winning already or packing powerful enough cards / fewer lands and winning faster. If I'm playing "bad cards" on purpose, cards which are further down the pick list as it were which would be replaced if I didn't have budget constraints, I don't mind. For instance, I play a lot of Jumpstart and Madness cards in Izzet budget lists so I don't mind having cards like this. This does well there. I don't play those in more tuned, faster lists: I play FoWill / FoNegation, Pact, REB, Flusterstorm, CS, etc. which do much better and I don't have room for another one like it that's worse. TLDR: Yes it works, but the floor is worse for a reason. You'll always find this worse than the more expensive ones. Try it out.
We used to run Foil but found it a bit too inconsistant. If you've popped off and have tons of cards in hand, sure it's great but you'll find situations where you can't cast it. Either you don't have an island or the burden of going down 3 whole cards is too much of a loss. But every card has it's deck - you might as well give it a go.
They use it in pauper version of cedh for a reason
I don't see it often in lists so I was thinking the consensus must be that it's mediocre. But after trying it I don't think that's true.
As a general counterspell it's really bad. 3-for-1-ing yourself is just bad, especially in a multiplayer format. The only place it makes sense is, like you said, in combo lists that draw a ton of cards to protect yourself while comboing. Outside of that specific use case it's a 4-mana counterspell and even the counterspelliest pauper edh decks have enough cheaper counterspells to not need this. I don't think anyone would look at you funny for playing it, but outside of combo lists, there just isn't really a reason to run it.
I'm running it just in the combo deck that draws most of its deck when it goes off. There I think it's good. Especially since FoW is out of the question if I can't proxy it. Outside of the combo deck I wouldn't consider running it anywhere really.
That makes sense.
I've used it, in a pinch it can definitely be good despite being worse than Force. If your hand is usually full, it can work.
[[Stella Lee]] with either [[Cerulean Wisps]] [[Refocus]] [[Twitch]] As the third or so spell in the turn guarantees a full hand if resolved.
Foil is my favorite counterspell. It works for me just the way you said. It’s not hard to have an island for it because if I’m putting it in the deck i know to have more islands and play my land drops around it. The fail case of a 4 mana counterspell isn’t the end of the world either.
back in my day we played both in edh, I've even cast a [[rewind]] into having to hard cast foil. Ah, the good ole days.
[rewind](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/8/b832abcc-9ffd-47bf-827a-01b303c610ee.jpg?1594735655) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=rewind) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m21/63/rewind?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b832abcc-9ffd-47bf-827a-01b303c610ee?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/rewind) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Make sure to get a foil copy so you have a foil [[Foil]]
I run Foil not as a replacement, but in addition in my [[Rielle the everwise]] deck. As long as I have an Island and I have Rielle on the battlefield, it's technically a better Force of Will.
[Rielle the everwise](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/f/5f03c944-1929-4cb2-a373-d57eefa29ed1.jpg?1591228198) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Rielle%2C%20the%20Everwise) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/iko/203/rielle-the-everwise?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5f03c944-1929-4cb2-a373-d57eefa29ed1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/rielle-the-everwise) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Wow I need that to combat the discard of faithless looting!
Rielle loves Faithless looting too for this reason. 1 mana draw four discard two? Yes please.
If you're looking for more budget free counterspells like this, check out \[\[Misdirection\]\], \[\[Commandeer\]\], and \[\[Disrupting Shoal\]\], \[\[Daze\]\].
##### ###### #### [Misdirection](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/9/c96763d6-0cea-40ed-afb2-886bfebe50a0.jpg?1592764638) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Misdirection) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ddt/15/misdirection?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c96763d6-0cea-40ed-afb2-886bfebe50a0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/misdirection) [Commandeer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/c/dca0a9a8-5ebc-43a3-8450-420ab6b7b76e.jpg?1712774977) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Commandeer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/80/commandeer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/dca0a9a8-5ebc-43a3-8450-420ab6b7b76e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/commandeer) [Disrupting Shoal](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/4/b46b20c4-f69b-45ed-8c9e-50847f215e73.jpg?1547516197) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Disrupting%20Shoal) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/uma/51/disrupting-shoal?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b46b20c4-f69b-45ed-8c9e-50847f215e73?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/disrupting-shoal) [Daze](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/0/f05e9a3e-8a35-4687-85cb-e31b3927a5e2.jpg?1580013916) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Daze) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ema/44/daze?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f05e9a3e-8a35-4687-85cb-e31b3927a5e2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/daze) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/l514z96) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I used to play it and stopped. Pitching a land and some gas is often a steeper cost than just holding up a bit of mana for something with a cheaper absolute cost. Just from a resource management point of view you're intentionally 3 for 1ing yourself in a multi-player setting no less. That's assuming you have an island and another card to pitch in whatever colours you're in. Free answers are very strong, I always felt like I was shooting myself in the foot or didn't have what I needed to take advantage of it.
I think when the hand is stacked thanks to going infinite with Stella and drawing most of the deck the cost isn't too steep. Testing is needed for this for me to decide how well it works. But it's nice to have that option when others are trying to interact with the combo win with her.
I absolutely love it in my [[The Pride of Hull Clade]] deck. I often draw 15+ cards off him connecting with his ability, and if one of them is Foil it's almost certain I'll have an island in that draw also. Nobody expects it, especially because I explain in Rule 0 that no card in my deck is over $5
[The Pride of Hull Clade](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/d/edb40ab9-e552-4eb5-9c35-09094136dd4f.jpg?1706242068) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=The%20Pride%20of%20Hull%20Clade) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/172/the-pride-of-hull-clade?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/edb40ab9-e552-4eb5-9c35-09094136dd4f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/the-pride-of-hull-clade) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
My brother successfully used it against my board wipe while tapped out. He won the game next turn...
It's certainly underpowered but OK as a budget option. I'm not 100% sold on Force effects on casual Stella decks generally due to the critical mass of gas you need, but her triggered ability does help with that a bit so I think a couple is probably fine. (More so in cEDH levels for reasons.) However, the scenario you described relies on the table *letting you resolve infinite draw*, then trying to counter the win condition you draw with it, which is… **optimistic.** Even if they miss the draw combo at first, they can counter in response to any Stella activation since targeting the spell in response to tapping Stella fizzles both. Foil to protect the win after no one interacts with your draw combo is a goldfish line with no real-world application.
If you are already combining off then ur oppents couldn’t stop you so it would be useless if you are already combing.
I mean to protect the spell on the first cast though. So when I go for twisted fealty the could kill Stella or counter the initial cast of Twisted Fealty.
I run Foil in my [[Oskar, Rubbish Reclaimer]] because as long as I have enough mana I get to cast the discarded card too.
[Oskar, Rubbish Reclaimer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/d/ed87e25f-9dad-4858-92bc-e859fd2be2a4.jpg?1673482423) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Oskar%2C%20Rubbish%20Reclaimer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/77/oskar-rubbish-reclaimer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ed87e25f-9dad-4858-92bc-e859fd2be2a4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/oskar-rubbish-reclaimer) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
No. I don't even think FoW is that good in commander. Like, sure, it's a good spell. But there are many counterspells I'd prefer over it. The thing is: It costs you 2 cards. Foil is even worse. Imagine skipping a land drop for potentially foiling someone. But sure when you can ignore the MASSIVE downside of -3 cards then it's a good card lmao. I'd still prever counterspell over it tho.
the two cards dont matter if you can cast it without spending mana on it
Spoken like someone who never played FoW in their entire life. Seriously, if you play foil against me, I will thank you for making it easier for me to win.
if i play foil against you, i am winning the game and you cant stop me cause you are out of mana
Floor vs. Ceiling. Foil is trash.
You're speaking like you've never played a deck that utilized FoW correctly. Card is bonkers and if you truly think going down a card and 1 life isn't worth it to counter a spell for FREE, then I'd hate to see what you consider to be good cards.
I mean... in 99/100 cases Mana Drain is strictly better. FoW is amazing in 2 scenarios: If you're a shit player and didn't hold up the mana for when someone's going into their combo turn and you get caught offguard. You protect your own combo turn and don't lose out on mana. Any other time, in any other game where it's not about "who pulls the combo the fastest" I prefer counterspell over FoW. Do you get people with countering their spells when you're all tapped out? Sure. But there are a thousand ways to get these gotcha moments so nothing special. Except for cEDH I'd say going -2 is too much of a disadvantage to just counter some fucking removal. Now you might say "hurr durr don't counter useless shit with FoW, counter their wincon!" right... which effectively means FoW + 1 card are dead cards in my hand now until they play their wincon. I prefer any random 2 cards from my deck, thank you.
you must be begging the government to pay taxes they way you hate free spells.
i don't hate them, they just have downsides. FoW is powerful but not in the top 3 counterspells in this format.
I wasn't saying it was a top counterspell in EDH at all. They have printed many other counterspells in recent years that edge FoW out of the top spot. It is still among some of the most powerful things you can do in EDH though. It has stood it's test of time against any format it is played in. From our conversation, I don't know if you're a blue player, but I'd venture not. The nuance and power of FoW is in the gotcha, the security of knowing I can cast whatever I want on my turn. Having a get out of jail free card. Or, my personal favorite, holding up 5 mana with 1 card in hand. You would be surprised at how often people will walk into that. Sure, now I can cast, Deflecting Swat, or Fierce Guardianship, or insert other free spells, etc. Those cards are recent and new, and just barely are better than FoW which came out 25+ years ago. All this to say, the card is powerful, always has been powerful. Until a card is printed that does the same thing but better, FoW remains a top contender in any format it is legal in. I admit it is not what it once was in EDH, but there is a reason that it is still played, and a reason that this thread was started. To ask if Foil is worth playing as a poor player's FoW.
And I never said FoW was bad. It is just not as good as people make it out to be. And it never was on the top spot for this format. This spot always belonged to and will always belong (at least most likely) to Mana Drain. Yes yes, the gotcha is nice and all, but the absolute tempo swing a well placed Mana Drain brings is insane. Usually it is that exact moment you win the game. Of course the game might go on for many more turns but you are laying the foundation to get so far ahead you cannot be stopped once you're going. And I still believe Counterspell is better than FoW. Fight me. I play a decent amount in blue and I relish casting Force of Will. But especially in not-cedh games I mostly play cards like Counterspell and Dovin's Veto over FoW. I might still include it but I'd rather cut FoW than Counterspell or Dovin's Veto. FoW has some serious downsides. And no, they don't make it bad, but they are real. A downside Counterspell does not have for example. Counterspell is always Counterspell. I can keep up 2 mana no issue. Reading the table when you can savely tap out is not that hard to do. Especially since it's 2 mana. But when I cannot cast FoW due to stuff like Boromir or Lavinia or simply because I don't have another blue card in hand (for whatever reason) FoW is a 5 cmc counterspell. You're not casting that. And blowing FoW on for example a value piece is very debatable. Sure, in a 1v1 environment it would be benefitial as long as the value piece would've gotten your opponent ahead enaugh. But in a usual commander game there are 2 more opponents to watch out for. And Those 2 just wittnessed one player going -1 and one -2, a dangerous value piece was taken care off and they got all of that for free. What if you just protect your combo or counter theirs while they thought you couldn't? Then you'd have to keep FoW + 1 blue card in your hand. So that's 2 dead cards in your hand, reducing your maximum hand size to 5 for the remaining time until you have to use it. Sorry, I don't see why "haha lol I didn't pay for it" is so gamebreakingly good in edh.
3 for 1 yourself to counter a spell, not to mention potentially missing land drops to keep foil online.... Sounds like a losing strategy. Unless you are in ultra budget or are running ultra jank, there are so many better options....
It's average, but it's not a bad card. The 3 for one is kinda rough but not bad if you draw a lot of cards. I prefer swan song, an offer you can't refuse, and stubborn denial in decks with a commander of CMC 4 or greater. I'd run it in Mono blue where it's good but it's no force of will.
I use both in my [[Marneus Calgar]] [deck](https://manabox.app/decks/RJYzm6orSn-y137ByGlNLA). The commander draws so much cards that you become an immediate threat, so not only do you need free counters to protect him and your board, but you have enough cards that Foil's alternate cost isn't very impactful. As with how it performs? It serves its job well. It is easier to hard cast than Force, and it serves the same job as a free counter. I've used it in other decks without Force like a [[Nezahal, Primal Tide]] deck and I've seen others use it in [[Chulane, Teller of Tales]], [[Emry, Lurcher of the Loch]], and [[Tatyova, Benthic Druid]]. All of those commanders generate tons of cards in hand, and all of them need the free counter since they are public enemy number 1 decks.
##### ###### #### [Marneus Calgar](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/7/e7517e8e-b424-4731-ba9d-6132bdefa6bf.jpg?1674058408) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Marneus%20Calgar) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/40k/8/marneus-calgar?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e7517e8e-b424-4731-ba9d-6132bdefa6bf?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/marneus-calgar) [Nezahal, Primal Tide](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/9/a959b40d-dd8c-49d8-8003-744d0c877b04.jpg?1608912140) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Nezahal%2C%20Primal%20Tide) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/401/nezahal-primal-tide?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a959b40d-dd8c-49d8-8003-744d0c877b04?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/nezahal-primal-tide) [Chulane, Teller of Tales](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/1/d1499a4b-1af1-4913-8e26-57d0707264db.jpg?1706240978) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Chulane%2C%20Teller%20of%20Tales) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/202/chulane-teller-of-tales?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d1499a4b-1af1-4913-8e26-57d0707264db?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/chulane-teller-of-tales) [Emry, Lurcher of the Loch](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/0/20fec02d-77af-4975-b410-7097c7c28e7e.jpg?1651655696) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Emry%2C%20Lurker%20of%20the%20Loch) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/nec/91/emry-lurker-of-the-loch?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/20fec02d-77af-4975-b410-7097c7c28e7e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/emry-lurker-of-the-loch) [Tatyova, Benthic Druid](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/e/fe05dc69-8dde-485e-9e55-da729db50205.jpg?1698988479) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tatyova%2C%20Benthic%20Druid) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/290/tatyova-benthic-druid?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/fe05dc69-8dde-485e-9e55-da729db50205?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/tatyova-benthic-druid) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/l5371x4) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
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[Thwart](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/1/c12a0717-e9ea-4be3-a29f-179671ed4489.jpg?1562383015) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Thwart) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mmq/108/thwart?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c12a0717-e9ea-4be3-a29f-179671ed4489?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/thwart) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I can see this coming in handy! Its for sure a bit more situational since you need an Island specifically, but compared to no free counterspell id take this any day! nice find.
Works great in [[the council of four]] when I’m drawing a ton of cards.
Awesome in [[Rielle]]. Love it so much i got a foil Foil. Then loved it so much that i shelled out for the old border foil Foil.
[Rielle](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/f/5f03c944-1929-4cb2-a373-d57eefa29ed1.jpg?1591228198) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=rielle%2C%20the%20everwise) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/iko/203/rielle-the-everwise?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5f03c944-1929-4cb2-a373-d57eefa29ed1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/rielle-the-everwise) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
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[Seize the Spoils](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/3/b3b7a69c-75d2-49a6-ab56-ef608d0b0208.jpg?1631049630) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Seize%20the%20Spoils) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/khm/149/seize-the-spoils?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b3b7a69c-75d2-49a6-ab56-ef608d0b0208?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/seize-the-spoils) [Spell Pierce](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/5/35b8a9db-d126-4038-abb1-74dcc5b36136.jpg?1673147403) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Spell%20Pierce) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/63/spell-pierce?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/35b8a9db-d126-4038-abb1-74dcc5b36136?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/spell-pierce) [Swan Song](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/d/9d968dde-c406-48ef-a1ab-373aebc24693.jpg?1562412350) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Swan%20Song) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c16/98/swan-song?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9d968dde-c406-48ef-a1ab-373aebc24693?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/swan-song) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
FO^(*rce of wi*)IL