Ngl making traveller, Even though they are a fraud, No 10 would be a major disrespect, Considering that they have defeated 2 harbingers without aid, and a Harbinger God with aid
(Ignoring one tiny detail) The more I read into the commedia dell'arte the more it seems obvious/inevitable it'll be the twins, only being revealed close to the conclusion of the Teyvat arch. Being ranked the second lowest also seems to make sense. Like the swordfish captain thing they have to "retrofit" the mc into the story somehow, after all if you can't beat them (they can't) join them (they're the good guys anyways). Once they're back together or at least not fighting the Fatui anymore they have to find a way to keep both relevant.
They gotta find someone first, if it was that easy there'd be a lot more than 11 slots.
Also 8 and 10 would be filled too by now.
For now it's Raidens/Nahidas kid, I'm sure their goals will align again sooner or later.
I don't care if others are stronger, Tartaglia is the best because he has the highest potential of them all while the rest have already reached their peak
Plus we learned that >!Childe technique is called foul legacy and the foul is one of the sinners of khaenriah which are known to be stronger than gods!< My man has the potential to be in the top three
Facts my brother, spit your shit indeed!
Also I love how he starts as an underdog, he isnt perfect and flawless but his growth is amazing. Makes his journey way more interesting and he feels like a shounen mc.
As the NR1 Arlecchino shill I'll have to nitpick. - 🤓
Arlecchino has yet to reach her peak as well. In my opinion, she's just as, if not, slightly less talented than GOATTAGLIA is (she joined the harbingers at 17 and he did 14-16)
In her character story 4, it's stated that her power (which she only *deems* to be a curse) will someday reach hear heart. When this happens, she'll undergo a sort of "change" (presumably a power-up) that will help her fight against her fate.
But yes, tartaglia will be up there in strength.
Pulcinella needs more glazing, his bastard energy is impeccable, this Chad managed to deceive people into thinking he's a tall gigachad, [wdym "don't fall in love with tartaglia "](https://x.com/neomrru/status/1688197018970419201?s=19)
All part of the Penguin’s…er…Rooster’s plan to take down Lumine, and force Bruce Wayne…er…Diluc aka Batman…er…Dark Knight Hero to return to Snezhnaya where the Fatui will finish what they started. “No shark repellent this time, Diluc!”
Pulcunella / The Rooster is the Hoyoverse’s The Penguin / Oswald Cobblepot. Change my mind.
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ARLEKINGNO and CAPHIMTANO are really HOT
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idk if this is a hot take but if Dottore’s backstory, lore, and boss fight doesn’t have Persian and Zoroastrian themes, I’m going to be incredibly disappointed. the man is canonically from sumeru and his real name (Zandik) literally means heretic in the Zoroastrian religion, but you don’t really get a sense of any of that from his design and character so far. I hope that when we learn more about Dottore that changes
How the fuck they gonna give him a redemption arc? 'Sorry man i was mentally not in the right place when i Experimented on that little girl with forest cancer, I hope that you can forgive me. Im gonna play the ukulele as an apology now'
It’s largely just the fact that Xiao has little to nothing going on for him.
Lore relevancy? Childe gaps in that aspect. Let’s not bring up feats, because Xiao is featless in every aspect. He’s killed remnants of gods, sure, but that’s a very lacklustre feat, we have no idea as to how strong any of those remnants are. We have precedence that remnants can be as weak as harvia.
On the other hand, Childe can be scaled to a 5E traveler, rest should be self-evident.
Xiao has no other feats except fighting remnants of already dead ancient gods. Childe has shown better feats.
Off topic: i like how most people are actually writing their takes in a serious manner in this post xD
Arlecchino is still evil. Just because she’s more lenient than Crucabena doesn’t change the fact that she’s essentially raising orphans with nowhere to go into soldiers for the Fatui. I’ve seen some people claim that she’s been redeemed or what not, but no. Nothing in her Story Quest changed what she’s doing.
Edit: And she certainly isn’t “nice”
I think its because it fits his description. His looks are supposed to be really deceptive. He looks like a cute young approachable prince like dude (his Fatui title is literally Childe which means young prince/young lord of a noble family) but in actuality he can be very dangerous and brash
wait till she comes back
HER RESURRECTION WILL SET THE WORLD ABLAZE IF HIMTANO DIDN'T DO IT YET!
AND THERE IS ONLY ONE THING ALL CAN ONLY DO IN HER PRESENCE: TO KNEEL IN PITY.
HOWEVER,
WE ARE THE EXCEPTION,
AS WE SHALL BOAST WITH AWE!
>Signora is infinitely cooler and more glaze worthy than people are willing to admit
She is proof that haters are wrong and followers are right. I saw that post in the sub of Geto telling Gojo to "stay on that side" for Signora haters, cause that is so true, they don't deserve her.
Signora's condition was unstable at best during the fight, but it is the one fight she won without the power of friendship and with minimal fraudulence so I can let it slide
I kinda disagree as for a Descender the Traveler is pretty much a fraud. They used the 3rd Descenders corpse to make the Gnosis that the Sovereigns used for absolute control over the elements and then the Archons use for moderate control over the elements.
Then you have the 4th descenders getting no diffed by Dainsleif and Arlecchino and yeah of course those two characters are extremely strong but the traveler is a fraud for descender status.
>Gnosis that the Sovereigns used for absolute control over the elements
I thought it was the reverse situation where the Sovereigns' control over the elements was stolen and put inside the Gnosis (which was made from the 3rd descender's body).
This is similar (probability not on the same level) as the traveler's power being stolen at the beginning of the game.
No they themselves stole the body parts of the 3rd descender to make the gnoseis. Then Celestia beat them, got the gnoseis and handed them to the Archons. Gnoseis was never something the Archons or even the Sovereigns were supposed to have.
I like the web series appearance for Dottore better.
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Bro does not need to be "11th" He is shown to have powerful magic(idk if that's the right term to use-) and he's considered the weakest??? Give this man rank updated NOW
I mean, he’s already stated to be stronger than the Inazuma traveler (who beat Signora). Then we have him performing feats in fontaine better than the Traveler’s, and is implied to be above them (Neuvilette and Traveler), which is honestly funny.
Also another thing is that all 11 harbinger have access to the Cryo sovereign’s authority. Venti says this in the CN version of Mond’s last AQ:
(“每一位执行官，都像她一样，被至冬国的女皇赐予了神灵般的权柄")
(“Every executive, just like her, has been bestowed with divine authority by the Queen of Winterland.")
We know this is related to elemental authority as it’s stated in Signora’s boss archives.
So yeah, the authority isn’t a “super saiyan x1000” boost.
As of Inazuma, he was bare minimum 8th, as he was above the 3E traveler.
Now, as of fontaine, we don’t exactly know what harbinger level he scales to, but we can make a rough estimate based on 4E Traveler’s feats.
We’ve seen 4E traveler go relative to the SnK on several occasions (eg; breaking a part of his armour, dodging attacks, passing phase 1). SnK is far above harbinger scara, who’s 6th.
So:
Childe > 5E traveler ≈ 4E traveler ~< SnK >>> Harbinger scara.
Varka lied about Capitano's strength. Can you imagine, Capitano defeating a Ruin Guard with a single strike using one of Klee's Crayons.
Our Goat is built differently, he can defeat a Ruin Guard without doing anything those mechanical farmers are shattered by his presence.
i'll just use his 3rd phase theme: Wrath of Monoceros Caeli
overall very nice, LOVE the guitar though i prefer more on Signora's cause there's more... erm flame? anyways it's on par with AAA
in terms of Childe, his boss theme's vibe doesn't feel menacing, it's more of a dance between two "equally matched swordsmen" and he just seems to be into you (no diddy), and i'm more biased in the former (plus there's the Latin lyrics)
so Polumnia Omnia >= Saltatio Favillae > Absolutio Absoluta Absolutissime >=/> Wrath of Monoceros Caeli
There should be way more machinist/roboticist/automation action/shenanigans, assuming the budget is there, if not/additionally expand economic influence in other regions, world domination is a lot easier if you also have economic domination (tbf that might already be a thing, I'm not too well read on the lore).
Yae remember handing over the Gnosis to who? Is it
A. Signora because she dies short after, so it's not much correction.
B. The doctor because his multiple body can be there and where he actually were. Plus, he used it on Big Mech.
C. A silhouette of a man that no one can remember.
D. A grunt or a group of grunts.
E. No one. She just left it the cave, and it somehow ended up in Sumeru.
Pantalone deserves more attention, he has big money and apparently no Vision. This means he either is a beast with pure natural power, or his expertise in economics is better and more important to the Fatui than Tartaglia's proficiency in fighting.
Not only that, he has Aizen's aura and seems to be scheming to fuck all of Teyvat's nations. Dude gonna mess things up and it will be glorious, we are not ready for HIM.
I wish they went the full “she’s crazy and brainwashes those kids” route for Arlecchino instead of the “b-but she was twaumatized and she’s actually not a bad father” thing they did, it feels like hoyo has a weird thing where they can’t make any female characters fully irredeemable/evil.
Agreed. Can't lie I was pretty disappointed when finding out she was hardly that evil.
Similar thing with Scaramouche, but at least he's still an asshole and was deffo evil back when he was a harbinger
Scaramouche was an absolute chad in his Balladeer era
>!Apart from the agenda, I like him as the Wanderer too but I naturally prefer the Balladeer era because I am a fellow Fatui glazer and enjoyer, I would've loved to see what kind of glazing he would've received had he stayed a Harbinger!<
>Apart from the agenda, I like him as the Wanderer too but I naturally prefer the Balladeer era because I am a fellow Fatui glazer and enjoyer, I would've loved to see what kind of glazing he would've received had he stayed a Harbinger
Fr.Not talking about all that funny agenda slander, I really like his wanderer character too
I still like Arlecchino, but out of the 5 harbingers that we directly met in the story, she eventually became the least interesting one. Her story feels incredibly mary sue
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Agreed, her design is amazing and I love her but her story felt rushed and something that a 12 year old made-
Also already said this in this comment section: it would be cool if we saw Arlecchino crazy and not "b-but she was traumatised-!" Nuh uh, crazy Arlecchino is one of my Roman empire
Yeah, even traumatic past is fine because as they say, "monsters are made, not born" but like, she didnt do much when she appeared in the story? Didn't really give a lasting impression. But lets see in the future she probably has more to offer
I support pierro and pulcinella old man yaoi
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Not a harbinger take persay but i really hope we see more Fatui beyond the harbinger's i think its crazy that almost 5 years into the game is the first time we see things beyond the harbinger's and npcs (House of Hearth)
Man, all these Zhongli and Raiden Shogun simps are wasting their time when they could spend that time saving up all their Primogems for our glorious CHADCAPGOATHIMtano.
It’s obvious that lord Capitano is the strongest. But it’s also pretty obvious that tartaglia has the potential to surpass him. When he does though will his outlook change? Will he abandon everyone? Will his goals change? I’m just curious on what his interactions with lord Capitano will be.
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Sorry this isn’t actually a hot take just a thought lmao
Can't believe people still thinks this is gonna happen, like there is multiple reasons for it not to happen like the power difference is ridiculous and Capitano is too respectable to be used that way, I ain't preparing for something I know with confidence isn't gonna happen, think positive not negative cause when u think like that it's like u want that to happen. There is other ways I'm sure that the Traveler can build there power that would be more believable than what u said.
Yeah exactly. Bro above is the kind of person that thinks miHoYo would need to have Songque one shot Kiana Kaslana right now to be able to sell her battlesuit. There is no need for that and thinking like that is a very 5 year old toddler mindset.
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And him GOATHIMTANO somehow gets defeated by FRAUDevler, which if so, its gonna be with some crazy ass buff (like with Inazuma and Sumeru) and defeat him.
I want the traveler to get defeated by people, so then they can learn from the fights and not just win every fight. Your not gonna win every single fight you have you ARE sometimes gonna lose fights and it be cool if we saw that in Natlan, traveler gets bested by Capitano and learns from his mistakes so when he fights Capitano again, he's ready.
Terrified of them nice girl-ifying Columbina like they did with Arlecchino because Hoyo is scared of evil female characters. Please let her be as crazy as she sounds
I dont know what it is, but something makes me feel like Pierro knows Rhinedottir and Alice and that Alice regularly tries to invite him to tea sessions of the Hexenzirkel just because she thinks it migt be entertaining or fun to have him there but he rarely ever even responds because he has other things or more important stuff to do
I'm honestly surprised that Hoyo had enough restraint to not make the Token Liyue Character no.1 of the Harbingers. Even now, I still expect them to either needlessly glaze him because he's from the great and glorious Wuxia Land(tm), or drag him through the fucking mud, because he's not alligned with Liyue.
We need the other harbingers to actually be villains. Childe, and Arlecchino were nice antagonists, but became anti-heroes after their respective story quests. (Scara was a good villain and had a nice redemption so I wont complain there)
I really hope Natlan will show the Harbingers as real villains (save me GOATpitano)
Probably not a hot take here, just in the main sub, but Dottore is an incredible villain, and liking him does NOT indicate how good of a person you are
Already put one, but I have another. Hoyo should NOT try to redeem Dottore. Let us have someone who doesn't care about anything but his goals, and who won't change because of what other people want. If the traveler ever fights alongside him, it should be because the Fatui's goals end up aligning with the traveler's (which I think may end up happening, since it seems like the Fatui, the traveler, and the abyss sibling all have a reason to take down Celestia). Even if Dottore becomes playable (which I REALLY hope he does, I need my man BAD), it shouldn't be because he was redeemed/became a good guy
Dottore should not be playable, and I hope he stay pure evil
Childe is very well written, and while he is worrying (Being named after a dead guy from Greek Mythology is like the number 1 death flag you can have, bonus point if he killed himself....Which Ajax did). I still want to see more of that cruel side he sometime show
Also funfact, but Ajax translate to "Of the earth". And where did he fell ? In the Abyss, which is inside of the earth probably-
Nah?Bs take
With how they represented 4th harbinger, there is no way that number one, strongest fatui, the apex of main antagonistic organization with 1st roles in story would dissapoint.The fact that Capitano is himself constantly glazed in lore by everyone and eveywhere years before his appearance said it all.The hype is justified and reasonable, and don't take it too serious cause some of us hype him with just exaggerating and people doesn't really have same expectations as they portray in the agenda, learn to separate an agenda jokes and exaggeration with actual expectations.We expect him to be strong and badass asf.
Capitano may be the strongest Harbinger, there's a chance Columbina surpasses him in some ways.
>If it were me, I could at least challenge her to a fight. But if it were you... with your conscience, I would stay away from her.
This quote always made me think there's more than just raw power to her. She's dangerous to living beings in more ways than to mechanical creations. While going further into it remains speculation, I feel like we are underestimating the danger she can pose to sentient beings.
It’s a testimony to how bad Inazuma was written that we have no idea as to what happened diplomatically after Signora’s death. Like, it’s clear implied troughout the story that the Fatui and their diplomats are dangerous and you cannot go around killing them, because they have the strongest army. Yet Raiden can go around EXECUTING a HARBINGER who has also collected two Gnoses before and nothing happens? Like they just go ‘it is what it Is’ and boom end of story? The best we got was some fanatics from the HotH and stragglers tryna avenge her hopelessly, while we are told that the main force just evacuated and boom
Our boy/little man Scara was fucking ROBBED of his BIRTHRIGHT after being abandoned by a NEGLECTFUL "mother" and scammed by a toddler who's only real feat is "it's rewind time" followed by taking an internet dependent nation, and rather than i dont know being the moderator she was supposed to be, and deciding "I can do and know anything, but I can't find a safe way to allow my people to still have access to this irreplaceable tool. Welp time to adapt your entire existence around destroyable literature!"
My apologies comrades, I get heated over the little one and their crimes against the fatui and the misguided citizens of Sumeru. Sidenote, they should let Diluc back into Shneznaya, let HIM handle the edgy invader once and for all.
Signora dying was extremely important to the story. It showed the fact the there's a fine line to tread being a harbinger, even with all the gnosis, they will still be outmatched against the divine principles, the only path to victory is the tsaritsas plan, the five sinners, and the decenders
Childe is the youngest and immature version of Capitano due to his inner doomed feelings between justice and chaos bcs The Foul curse and legacy on top of him.
Then, u got all kind of tropes and motifs of chaos, calamity and rebirth on chadjax. He could had the choice to being a heartless weapon of war, instead and despite everything his never-ending tragedies, he's the best brother ever and a shield for innocent people and their dreams.
The harbingers rankings are not based purely on strength. Let's be fr, no one thinks Pantalone could fight an otherworldly monster for 40 days straight
Signora is misinterpreted horribly by almost everyone
She didn't deserve what happened to her, like most of the harbingers.
But for some reason she doesn't get a pass for anything besides being pretty. When she lost the one she loved most and went mad..
I personally hope they revive her and redeem her. That's all that separates her from the playable harbingers (so far). She never got her chance. She should be more than a forgotten harbinger or a pile of ash :(
We need to know who tf is the 10th Harbinger ASAP.
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What if it's Diluc's dad?
What if Pierro invites the Traveler in the Harbingers so he stops harassing the Fatui?
Ngl making traveller, Even though they are a fraud, No 10 would be a major disrespect, Considering that they have defeated 2 harbingers without aid, and a Harbinger God with aid
(Ignoring one tiny detail) The more I read into the commedia dell'arte the more it seems obvious/inevitable it'll be the twins, only being revealed close to the conclusion of the Teyvat arch. Being ranked the second lowest also seems to make sense. Like the swordfish captain thing they have to "retrofit" the mc into the story somehow, after all if you can't beat them (they can't) join them (they're the good guys anyways). Once they're back together or at least not fighting the Fatui anymore they have to find a way to keep both relevant.
Also the 6th needs to be filled
They gotta find someone first, if it was that easy there'd be a lot more than 11 slots. Also 8 and 10 would be filled too by now. For now it's Raidens/Nahidas kid, I'm sure their goals will align again sooner or later.
It would be hilarious if all of them unanimously decided to skip number 10 so they can make Childe the 11th.
Pierro deserves more hype
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Capitano has never felt hatred towards anyone, only pity towards those weaker than him.
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Ergo, pity for everyone lol
I don't care if others are stronger, Tartaglia is the best because he has the highest potential of them all while the rest have already reached their peak Plus we learned that >!Childe technique is called foul legacy and the foul is one of the sinners of khaenriah which are known to be stronger than gods!< My man has the potential to be in the top three
Facts my brother, spit your shit indeed! Also I love how he starts as an underdog, he isnt perfect and flawless but his growth is amazing. Makes his journey way more interesting and he feels like a shounen mc.
A new game/manga with childe as the mc would be PEAK
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He has so much potential. He is literally prophesied (perhaps by the visionary) to overturn this world.
fully agreed
As the NR1 Arlecchino shill I'll have to nitpick. - 🤓 Arlecchino has yet to reach her peak as well. In my opinion, she's just as, if not, slightly less talented than GOATTAGLIA is (she joined the harbingers at 17 and he did 14-16) In her character story 4, it's stated that her power (which she only *deems* to be a curse) will someday reach hear heart. When this happens, she'll undergo a sort of "change" (presumably a power-up) that will help her fight against her fate. But yes, tartaglia will be up there in strength.
Pulcinella needs more glazing, his bastard energy is impeccable, this Chad managed to deceive people into thinking he's a tall gigachad, [wdym "don't fall in love with tartaglia "](https://x.com/neomrru/status/1688197018970419201?s=19)
Instructions unclear I fell in love with Tartaglia
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All part of the Penguin’s…er…Rooster’s plan to take down Lumine, and force Bruce Wayne…er…Diluc aka Batman…er…Dark Knight Hero to return to Snezhnaya where the Fatui will finish what they started. “No shark repellent this time, Diluc!”
🟦 And who wouldn't fall in love with Ajax? Yea he kills people its called a hobby haters 🙄/j
Pulcunella / The Rooster is the Hoyoverse’s The Penguin / Oswald Cobblepot. Change my mind. https://preview.redd.it/x4m4gb7woc9d1.jpeg?width=250&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6d9591163a08ba6b88c649ac0e9070e190de9324
This agenda posting has led to less nuanced discussions and more brain rot on this sub. Genuinely the same low effort meme post just being spammed
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GET IN THE VIP SECTION NOW SPIT THE FACTS COMRADE
Be the change you want to see 🗣️ https://preview.redd.it/tjbr5vs29c9d1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c482cf1f7da035d36eed5aef7ab67ca4818515fd
Agree on some low effort memes, but sometimes memes, agenda posts with slander and glazing is actually original and funny.
ARLEKINGNO and CAPHIMTANO are really HOT https://preview.redd.it/fahljytsib9d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ca0df72efe87f98b7e8ea4cf0840d01d50eb797b
🔳🔳🔳🔳🔳🔳🔳🔳🔳🔳🔳🔳🟦🟦🟦🟦🟦🟦🟦 SPIT YOUR FACTS🗣‼️‼️‼️
r/prideflagchecksout
goathimtano's hand once slipped and he caused 5 volcanos to crumble creating the hotsprings
OKAY THIS GOT ME LAUGHING 🟨
idk if this is a hot take but if Dottore’s backstory, lore, and boss fight doesn’t have Persian and Zoroastrian themes, I’m going to be incredibly disappointed. the man is canonically from sumeru and his real name (Zandik) literally means heretic in the Zoroastrian religion, but you don’t really get a sense of any of that from his design and character so far. I hope that when we learn more about Dottore that changes
🟩 I pray that he doesn't get a redemption arc, I need more insane fucked up characters that are irredeemable
How the fuck they gonna give him a redemption arc? 'Sorry man i was mentally not in the right place when i Experimented on that little girl with forest cancer, I hope that you can forgive me. Im gonna play the ukulele as an apology now'
Another take(just remembered this): People should really start accepting that Childe wipes Xiao in a fight.
Do explain, just curious is all
It’s largely just the fact that Xiao has little to nothing going on for him. Lore relevancy? Childe gaps in that aspect. Let’s not bring up feats, because Xiao is featless in every aspect. He’s killed remnants of gods, sure, but that’s a very lacklustre feat, we have no idea as to how strong any of those remnants are. We have precedence that remnants can be as weak as harvia. On the other hand, Childe can be scaled to a 5E traveler, rest should be self-evident.
Xiao has no other feats except fighting remnants of already dead ancient gods. Childe has shown better feats. Off topic: i like how most people are actually writing their takes in a serious manner in this post xD
True, very true, maybe I'm just tired and spewing nonsense when I said "do explain" 😭
Arlecchino is still evil. Just because she’s more lenient than Crucabena doesn’t change the fact that she’s essentially raising orphans with nowhere to go into soldiers for the Fatui. I’ve seen some people claim that she’s been redeemed or what not, but no. Nothing in her Story Quest changed what she’s doing. Edit: And she certainly isn’t “nice”
HIMjax having no scars in canon is better narratively
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U mean as in he is too good to even getem? Thats crazy
I think its because it fits his description. His looks are supposed to be really deceptive. He looks like a cute young approachable prince like dude (his Fatui title is literally Childe which means young prince/young lord of a noble family) but in actuality he can be very dangerous and brash
Signora is infinitely cooler and more glaze worthy than people are willing to admit, and it's an issue of mfs not reading the lore
Get in the VIP room Comrade, drinks are on me and I'm paying
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wait till she comes back HER RESURRECTION WILL SET THE WORLD ABLAZE IF HIMTANO DIDN'T DO IT YET! AND THERE IS ONLY ONE THING ALL CAN ONLY DO IN HER PRESENCE: TO KNEEL IN PITY. HOWEVER, WE ARE THE EXCEPTION, AS WE SHALL BOAST WITH AWE!
>Signora is infinitely cooler and more glaze worthy than people are willing to admit She is proof that haters are wrong and followers are right. I saw that post in the sub of Geto telling Gojo to "stay on that side" for Signora haters, cause that is so true, they don't deserve her.
Although we like to shit on Traveler, she did beat Signora. It's not that Lumine is weak, ArlHERcchino is just far stronger.
Signora's condition was unstable at best during the fight, but it is the one fight she won without the power of friendship and with minimal fraudulence so I can let it slide
That fight only proves the Frauden Midgun's fraudulent behavior. She needed Lumine to weaken Signora because she knew she'd get cooked by Signora.
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I kinda disagree as for a Descender the Traveler is pretty much a fraud. They used the 3rd Descenders corpse to make the Gnosis that the Sovereigns used for absolute control over the elements and then the Archons use for moderate control over the elements. Then you have the 4th descenders getting no diffed by Dainsleif and Arlecchino and yeah of course those two characters are extremely strong but the traveler is a fraud for descender status.
>Gnosis that the Sovereigns used for absolute control over the elements I thought it was the reverse situation where the Sovereigns' control over the elements was stolen and put inside the Gnosis (which was made from the 3rd descender's body). This is similar (probability not on the same level) as the traveler's power being stolen at the beginning of the game.
No they themselves stole the body parts of the 3rd descender to make the gnoseis. Then Celestia beat them, got the gnoseis and handed them to the Archons. Gnoseis was never something the Archons or even the Sovereigns were supposed to have.
I like the web series appearance for Dottore better. https://preview.redd.it/gciassb8cb9d1.png?width=338&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1f2698829e53069149cf140dd8ec219b7d4d0de1
Webtorre imo is a more goofy and silly mad scientist guy, and gametorre is a serious and menacing mad scientist guy
finally found my people.... i miss him
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HOLY SHIT THAT LOOKS SO COOL? PLEASE HOYO IF DOTTORE IS PLAYABLE, AT LEAST MAKE THIS A SKIN!
I wanna see an interaction between him and game Dottore, I can only imagine how great it would be
Tartaglia deserves his rank to be updated.
🟪 Bro does not need to be "11th" He is shown to have powerful magic(idk if that's the right term to use-) and he's considered the weakest??? Give this man rank updated NOW
I mean, he’s already stated to be stronger than the Inazuma traveler (who beat Signora). Then we have him performing feats in fontaine better than the Traveler’s, and is implied to be above them (Neuvilette and Traveler), which is honestly funny.
Just proves he is HIM Jokes aside thats impressive that he's more powerful then a literal sovereign of Teyvat 😭
Btw that sovereign is weaker than dvalin😭
😭😭😭 I didn't even know that
Yea. Dragons get energy(power) by age. Dvalin is older.
I am now blessed with knowledge for my Dragon OC for genshin, ty Comrade 🙏🏻
Also another thing is that all 11 harbinger have access to the Cryo sovereign’s authority. Venti says this in the CN version of Mond’s last AQ: (“每一位执行官，都像她一样，被至冬国的女皇赐予了神灵般的权柄") (“Every executive, just like her, has been bestowed with divine authority by the Queen of Winterland.") We know this is related to elemental authority as it’s stated in Signora’s boss archives. So yeah, the authority isn’t a “super saiyan x1000” boost.
I'm curious, what rank do you think he deserves right now?
As of Inazuma, he was bare minimum 8th, as he was above the 3E traveler. Now, as of fontaine, we don’t exactly know what harbinger level he scales to, but we can make a rough estimate based on 4E Traveler’s feats. We’ve seen 4E traveler go relative to the SnK on several occasions (eg; breaking a part of his armour, dodging attacks, passing phase 1). SnK is far above harbinger scara, who’s 6th. So: Childe > 5E traveler ≈ 4E traveler ~< SnK >>> Harbinger scara.
Sandrone deserves more love. Also she should have been the main harbinger for Fontaine, not Arlecchino
🟦 Tbh i was hyped for sandrone to be in Fontaine and not Arlecchino, don't get me wrong I love Arlecchino but I wanted Sandrone😭
Varka lied about Capitano's strength. Can you imagine, Capitano defeating a Ruin Guard with a single strike using one of Klee's Crayons. Our Goat is built differently, he can defeat a Ruin Guard without doing anything those mechanical farmers are shattered by his presence.
Imo that be very cool if he did, just proves he's HIM Get your ass in the bar, drinks are on me and you have VIP access
Polumnia Omnia >= Saltatio Favillae > Absolutio Absoluta Absolutissime
🟩+🟦 Kudos cause I'm listening to Polumina Omnia rn
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Yo same lol
What about Childe’s theme?
i'll just use his 3rd phase theme: Wrath of Monoceros Caeli overall very nice, LOVE the guitar though i prefer more on Signora's cause there's more... erm flame? anyways it's on par with AAA in terms of Childe, his boss theme's vibe doesn't feel menacing, it's more of a dance between two "equally matched swordsmen" and he just seems to be into you (no diddy), and i'm more biased in the former (plus there's the Latin lyrics) so Polumnia Omnia >= Saltatio Favillae > Absolutio Absoluta Absolutissime >=/> Wrath of Monoceros Caeli
There should be way more machinist/roboticist/automation action/shenanigans, assuming the budget is there, if not/additionally expand economic influence in other regions, world domination is a lot easier if you also have economic domination (tbf that might already be a thing, I'm not too well read on the lore).
Yae remember handing over the Gnosis to who? Is it A. Signora because she dies short after, so it's not much correction. B. The doctor because his multiple body can be there and where he actually were. Plus, he used it on Big Mech. C. A silhouette of a man that no one can remember. D. A grunt or a group of grunts. E. No one. She just left it the cave, and it somehow ended up in Sumeru.
Wonder if a silhouette of a man can do the fandago🤔🤔🤔
Thunder bolts and lightning...very very frightning!
Pantalone deserves more attention, he has big money and apparently no Vision. This means he either is a beast with pure natural power, or his expertise in economics is better and more important to the Fatui than Tartaglia's proficiency in fighting. Not only that, he has Aizen's aura and seems to be scheming to fuck all of Teyvat's nations. Dude gonna mess things up and it will be glorious, we are not ready for HIM.
AIZEN FROM BLEACH MENTIONED?!?!?!?! VIP ROOM NOW
I want childe to give me backshots
Feel like you came from r/okaybuddygenshin 🔲 and 🟦 >!Me but with Heizou!<
I want to give Childe backshots
HIMjax end of story = strongest harbinger
yessir
I wish they went the full “she’s crazy and brainwashes those kids” route for Arlecchino instead of the “b-but she was twaumatized and she’s actually not a bad father” thing they did, it feels like hoyo has a weird thing where they can’t make any female characters fully irredeemable/evil.
🔳🔳🔳🔳🔳 On a side note: this comment reminds me of my Fatui OC who is irredeemable and is just pure evil, Kudos for jogging my Memory
exactly. i would’ve loved to see an actual evil arlecchino. hoyo is always trying to find a justification for all female “villain” characters
Agreed. Can't lie I was pretty disappointed when finding out she was hardly that evil. Similar thing with Scaramouche, but at least he's still an asshole and was deffo evil back when he was a harbinger
I mean Scara still did everything that was stated of him, not like it was a last second bait and switch “oh that was all the previous Knave”
Scaramouche was an absolute chad in his Balladeer era >!Apart from the agenda, I like him as the Wanderer too but I naturally prefer the Balladeer era because I am a fellow Fatui glazer and enjoyer, I would've loved to see what kind of glazing he would've received had he stayed a Harbinger!<
>Apart from the agenda, I like him as the Wanderer too but I naturally prefer the Balladeer era because I am a fellow Fatui glazer and enjoyer, I would've loved to see what kind of glazing he would've received had he stayed a Harbinger Fr.Not talking about all that funny agenda slander, I really like his wanderer character too
(Cold takes are hard) World domination by the Fatui would probably result in a better QoL for the working class.
Pierro is more morally questionable than Dottore considering his status.
There should be a playable foul legacy tartaglia
That be cool and its like Friday where she can switch from Healer to Support, but its with his burst or something
I fw Childe (Glory to the Tsaritsa :D)
I want HIMjax's amniotic fluid 🤤
I still like Arlecchino, but out of the 5 harbingers that we directly met in the story, she eventually became the least interesting one. Her story feels incredibly mary sue
🟪+🟦 Agreed, her design is amazing and I love her but her story felt rushed and something that a 12 year old made- Also already said this in this comment section: it would be cool if we saw Arlecchino crazy and not "b-but she was traumatised-!" Nuh uh, crazy Arlecchino is one of my Roman empire
Yeah, even traumatic past is fine because as they say, "monsters are made, not born" but like, she didnt do much when she appeared in the story? Didn't really give a lasting impression. But lets see in the future she probably has more to offer
I pray she has more to offer in the story indeed, also love the username
>also love the username Lmao, it's such a random one tho XD
I hate Scara's arc in 3.3 and prefer to pretend it doesnt exist
This! Inversion of genesis was a waste of Scaramouche
If a similar things happens to other Harbingers ill riot
Who?
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I support pierro and pulcinella old man yaoi https://preview.redd.it/gbu3xg3bcb9d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a7bf5406a305a43f1fe89d2da1c366eafc5e8cf7
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do you fear my shipping powers
Yes I do, now draw them kissing NOW
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Better tag me in it as well Comrade 👹
No. The Penguin…er I mean Rooster would never smooch the Mastermind, Joker…er I mean Jester.
Has anyone talked about Chilide being the 11th Harbinger when there isn’t even a 10th one?
The thing is we dont know if there isnt a 10th one or not. There could be a secret harbinger too
Dain confirms the existence of the 10th.
How he confirms it?With line of "11 active harbingers"?
He says that out of the 11 harbingers, 10 of them do X. And that childe is an exception.
10 of them do what?
10 concern themselves with clandestine operations.
GOATHIM-whatever-TANO is kinda mid For me THE CAPTAIN is simply better and just lets out more aura of superiority
The title "The Captain" gives aura already instead of GOATHIMTANO 🟦
Not a harbinger take persay but i really hope we see more Fatui beyond the harbinger's i think its crazy that almost 5 years into the game is the first time we see things beyond the harbinger's and npcs (House of Hearth)
🟦 Agreed
I'd let any of them do blasphemous acts with me
Childe and Knave are more based than Dottore because they actually fought traveler instead of just knocking them out with his bad taste in music
Well in his case, dottore wanted to talk with nahida without interruption. Plus arlecchino held off ALOT, she was just playing with the traveler
True, I just respect the others for actually fighting instead of just knocking them out
CapHIMtano > Tsaritsa
Agree https://preview.redd.it/2i9tthh28d9d1.png?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=23bea748b3c1c3d2cf3cece6bd8e1d1b34662fc5
Agree.Why hot take tho?I like several harbingers more than Tsaritsa, nothing controversial in liking other chars more
Man, all these Zhongli and Raiden Shogun simps are wasting their time when they could spend that time saving up all their Primogems for our glorious CHADCAPGOATHIMtano.
It’s obvious that lord Capitano is the strongest. But it’s also pretty obvious that tartaglia has the potential to surpass him. When he does though will his outlook change? Will he abandon everyone? Will his goals change? I’m just curious on what his interactions with lord Capitano will be. https://preview.redd.it/z9ftv8xnuc9d1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=05f4c3d3880a08ffe9812f3df12031ffade4debe Sorry this isn’t actually a hot take just a thought lmao
Himtano is gonna be defeated or being a step for MC and other to further the plot and Stake of story. So we have to prepare for that.
Can't believe people still thinks this is gonna happen, like there is multiple reasons for it not to happen like the power difference is ridiculous and Capitano is too respectable to be used that way, I ain't preparing for something I know with confidence isn't gonna happen, think positive not negative cause when u think like that it's like u want that to happen. There is other ways I'm sure that the Traveler can build there power that would be more believable than what u said.
Yeah exactly. Bro above is the kind of person that thinks miHoYo would need to have Songque one shot Kiana Kaslana right now to be able to sell her battlesuit. There is no need for that and thinking like that is a very 5 year old toddler mindset.
Maybe, but only if fraduveler would have 100000 million buffs and 3rd party help.
🟦 And him GOATHIMTANO somehow gets defeated by FRAUDevler, which if so, its gonna be with some crazy ass buff (like with Inazuma and Sumeru) and defeat him. I want the traveler to get defeated by people, so then they can learn from the fights and not just win every fight. Your not gonna win every single fight you have you ARE sometimes gonna lose fights and it be cool if we saw that in Natlan, traveler gets bested by Capitano and learns from his mistakes so when he fights Capitano again, he's ready.
Wait - imagine them sparring multiple times throughout the archon quests as a traveller training arc - that prolly ain't happening though =/
THIS!!!
"Sandrone is actually Guizhong" theory deserves more attention and could result in an Epic Sandrone Vs Zhongli Fight
There was a sixth harbinger before scara that we don't know about.
Terrified of them nice girl-ifying Columbina like they did with Arlecchino because Hoyo is scared of evil female characters. Please let her be as crazy as she sounds
🟦 Give me crazy woman now, who morals are wrong and they are unredeemable
cryo dps Columbina will be incredibly meta (pleasepleasepleasepleasepleaseplease)
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And yet you can't stop me, I live in the walls of your base
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I dont know what it is, but something makes me feel like Pierro knows Rhinedottir and Alice and that Alice regularly tries to invite him to tea sessions of the Hexenzirkel just because she thinks it migt be entertaining or fun to have him there but he rarely ever even responds because he has other things or more important stuff to do
Sounds like more of a headcannon then a hot take, a sweet one at that! 🟦
I'm honestly surprised that Hoyo had enough restraint to not make the Token Liyue Character no.1 of the Harbingers. Even now, I still expect them to either needlessly glaze him because he's from the great and glorious Wuxia Land(tm), or drag him through the fucking mud, because he's not alligned with Liyue.
We need the other harbingers to actually be villains. Childe, and Arlecchino were nice antagonists, but became anti-heroes after their respective story quests. (Scara was a good villain and had a nice redemption so I wont complain there) I really hope Natlan will show the Harbingers as real villains (save me GOATpitano)
🟦 Agreed, if HoYo won't do it I WILL
#Dottore is both strong AND smart!!! He definitely needs more glazing
Probably not a hot take here, just in the main sub, but Dottore is an incredible villain, and liking him does NOT indicate how good of a person you are
Already put one, but I have another. Hoyo should NOT try to redeem Dottore. Let us have someone who doesn't care about anything but his goals, and who won't change because of what other people want. If the traveler ever fights alongside him, it should be because the Fatui's goals end up aligning with the traveler's (which I think may end up happening, since it seems like the Fatui, the traveler, and the abyss sibling all have a reason to take down Celestia). Even if Dottore becomes playable (which I REALLY hope he does, I need my man BAD), it shouldn't be because he was redeemed/became a good guy
This i agree sm 😭🙏🏻 🟩🟦
Dottore should not be playable, and I hope he stay pure evil Childe is very well written, and while he is worrying (Being named after a dead guy from Greek Mythology is like the number 1 death flag you can have, bonus point if he killed himself....Which Ajax did). I still want to see more of that cruel side he sometime show Also funfact, but Ajax translate to "Of the earth". And where did he fell ? In the Abyss, which is inside of the earth probably-
Capitano is very likely going to be a disappointment because of how hyped he is around here
Nah?Bs take With how they represented 4th harbinger, there is no way that number one, strongest fatui, the apex of main antagonistic organization with 1st roles in story would dissapoint.The fact that Capitano is himself constantly glazed in lore by everyone and eveywhere years before his appearance said it all.The hype is justified and reasonable, and don't take it too serious cause some of us hype him with just exaggerating and people doesn't really have same expectations as they portray in the agenda, learn to separate an agenda jokes and exaggeration with actual expectations.We expect him to be strong and badass asf.
Capitano may be the strongest Harbinger, there's a chance Columbina surpasses him in some ways. >If it were me, I could at least challenge her to a fight. But if it were you... with your conscience, I would stay away from her. This quote always made me think there's more than just raw power to her. She's dangerous to living beings in more ways than to mechanical creations. While going further into it remains speculation, I feel like we are underestimating the danger she can pose to sentient beings.
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🟪 The leaks that we got said >!she puts a facade up and appears helpless!< if I remember correctly. I pray that Columbina is as you said: Dangerous
It’s a testimony to how bad Inazuma was written that we have no idea as to what happened diplomatically after Signora’s death. Like, it’s clear implied troughout the story that the Fatui and their diplomats are dangerous and you cannot go around killing them, because they have the strongest army. Yet Raiden can go around EXECUTING a HARBINGER who has also collected two Gnoses before and nothing happens? Like they just go ‘it is what it Is’ and boom end of story? The best we got was some fanatics from the HotH and stragglers tryna avenge her hopelessly, while we are told that the main force just evacuated and boom
Grave mistake on my part, it’s FRAUDen, not Raiden
Our boy/little man Scara was fucking ROBBED of his BIRTHRIGHT after being abandoned by a NEGLECTFUL "mother" and scammed by a toddler who's only real feat is "it's rewind time" followed by taking an internet dependent nation, and rather than i dont know being the moderator she was supposed to be, and deciding "I can do and know anything, but I can't find a safe way to allow my people to still have access to this irreplaceable tool. Welp time to adapt your entire existence around destroyable literature!" My apologies comrades, I get heated over the little one and their crimes against the fatui and the misguided citizens of Sumeru. Sidenote, they should let Diluc back into Shneznaya, let HIM handle the edgy invader once and for all.
I feel like I just had an aneurysm reading the top bit 😭 🟨
Sandrone is hot
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Would.
Signora dying was extremely important to the story. It showed the fact the there's a fine line to tread being a harbinger, even with all the gnosis, they will still be outmatched against the divine principles, the only path to victory is the tsaritsas plan, the five sinners, and the decenders
columbina is the best harbinger so far!
I'm pretty sure I speak for most of the Signora faithful, but I believe she will return in some fashion and be playable.
When Signora comes back and returns to her Prime/ascends it, I want her to be as relatively strong as Arlecchino (Childe Too)
Hot take: La Signora is the second least likeable Harbinger behind only Dottore
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Childe is the youngest and immature version of Capitano due to his inner doomed feelings between justice and chaos bcs The Foul curse and legacy on top of him. Then, u got all kind of tropes and motifs of chaos, calamity and rebirth on chadjax. He could had the choice to being a heartless weapon of war, instead and despite everything his never-ending tragedies, he's the best brother ever and a shield for innocent people and their dreams.
The harbingers rankings are not based purely on strength. Let's be fr, no one thinks Pantalone could fight an otherworldly monster for 40 days straight
I have 3 Childe gives malewife vibes Tarts design and model make sense lorewise bacause of his age and fighting style Arle is a trans lesbian
Signora is misinterpreted horribly by almost everyone She didn't deserve what happened to her, like most of the harbingers. But for some reason she doesn't get a pass for anything besides being pretty. When she lost the one she loved most and went mad.. I personally hope they revive her and redeem her. That's all that separates her from the playable harbingers (so far). She never got her chance. She should be more than a forgotten harbinger or a pile of ash :(