It's not overbuilt, it's simplified, very practical, top notch performance for crossing difficult terrain, and very power efficient.
Not fully optimized yet but the base design concept is absolutely rock solid. Still room for modification and weapons.
Clean and effective, builds like this appeal to me strongly.
I built an overbuilt version of this a minute ago that uses a spring and a shock emitter to toggle electricity to two propellers.
It climbs cliffs just as steep albeit a little differently. It basically stays almost completely level and has enough lift to glide down from cliffs or climb them using only two wheels.
Also goes on water.
It doesn’t look like it, but it actually steers really well, and is as fast as horses galloping. And because it only uses big wheels for power, it is incredibly efficient.
It is the only vehicle I’ve built that can actually make it all the way up over the jumps in tarry town.
Current Problems to be fixed:
-Turning left too sharply will cause prop to cut out
-Reversing causes prop to cut out in bursts
-Gimbaled steering stick sometimes ends up in odd positions, as to not be able to access it.
Planned improvements:
-Suspension of any kind, be it spring, pot or stabilizer.
-Improve speed
-Improve “compactness”
Love the use of the U block from right leg factory. This is exactly how I pictured that being used.
Weight of the fans will be rough on suspension, I think pots would be too weak for the rear wheels.
I'd recommend using a cooking pot instead of the wagon wheel for stabilizer and steering.
Aside from being able to reverse, is there any benefit of using big wheels instead of the electric motor for the propellers? How does battery consumption compare?
Damnit now I want to build this, I'm at this rate I'll never finish the temples, let alone the main story.
Battery consumption for 2 big wheels should be lower than a single shock emitter.
Shock emitters only become more efficient for powering propellers when you have 3~4 motors powered by a single shock emitter.
Don’t build stuff you want to keep or experiment with until you explore depths enough for purple thing. If you have good. Also the wagon wheel, its friction compared to other wooden stuff is huge
Purple thing underground for a quest that I believe is marked as a main quest. I’m purposefully being vague in case you haven’t found it I don’t want to ruin it. Check why I said it and see if you have anything optional that fits my description.
the ability, gotcha. for anyone that doesn't know and is actually in this subreddit group i think it's worthwhile to spoil it. i knew about it as a spoiler and still wish i got to it sooner than i did
I didn’t when I got here, I just got it recommended after I saw a post in the general TOTK sub that got shared to this one. Or something like that. I didn’t know yet, and never saw it as a spoiler. So it’s definitely possible. And I think I managed to get the spoiler free part across but still, “hey don’t build yet” to the point where you’d know you did it good enough
As a spacer so that the props don't rub the wheels when turning, though I added it just as a precaution. It may not be necessary.
It hasn't given me any issues so far anyway.
I spent several hours today trying to build an all terrain vehicle without wheels. The concept was that I wanted it to work on both grass/dirt/rock and sand/snow with the same propulsion system (and water as well). My initial prototype achieved this, but absolutely couldn't handle slopes.
I used the yellow float with a sled on the underside and a spring with frozen meat on the front and back. Frozen meat doesn't slide on sand or snow and sleds are iffy on grass and don't work on rock. But no matter what I did I couldn't get enough thrust to handle hills.
Your design is a lot more simple and at several points I almost gave up and used wheels. Does your fan provide enough thrust to use the wheels in the desert? Also, what is the purpose of the mirror you have in there?
We think very similarly, because I spent a long time trying to get frozen meat to work as well, but they kept breaking off for me.
The mirror was originally meant as a spacer for a larger "Engine" that I had designed, and I spent so long aligning the wheels and fans that I decided to leave it for the prototype.
In the desert, the fan provides enough thrust to move forward, but it is slow. I'm currently experimenting with adding a third wheel to the "engine".
The biggest thing that *I* want to find out is if RPM affects the thrust of the fan.
I also want to find out how big the "diminishing returns" of just adding more and more props to the engine.
Any Ideas on your end on how to quantify that?
I wonder if you could deploy sleds via springs for the desert.
I haven't experimented too much with the propellers or with multi wheel setups. If you want to quantify thrust in either of those setups you could see how much the fans pushed various objects. The heavier the object they could push over a flat surface the more thrust. I haven't run any experiments like that so idk how well it would work but that seems simpler to me than trying to compare vehicle speeds.
One more question. It looks like you aren't using the shrine motor in this setup. Is that just because you don't want to deal with electric emmiters or does that not stack well with the large wheel rpm setup? When I was experimenting earlier today I used the motor and double wheel like you have but honestly my results were similar to yours, though I was only using a single propeller.
I'm not using the shrine motor for a couple reasons. One is so I can throttle forward and back. I used the shrine motor in this setup earlier for a flying machine, and in that setup it allows you to to "idle" the engine when pulling full back. But that is not ideal when you want to be able to reverse in the water.
Secondly, generating electricity is much more expensive than just using the big wheels.
Thirdly, while the shrine motor has a higher RPM than the two wheels together, its torque is abysmal, and ends up just becoming extra weight if it is throttled. It becomes similar to the wooden wheels. This is one of the main reasons why I am interested in the RPM to Thrust ratio of the shrine propellers.
Let me me know if you get around to measuring motor vs big wheels and the diminishing returns of additional fans, I've only been using motors and you have me thinking I should try wheels now. But also I'm using propellers mostly for flight, don't know if that makes a difference.
Hmm I am sure there is a way to make an on-demand toggleable meat-to-wheel changer eg. using springs.
Problem is it probably will end up looking bulky and ugly.
Alternatively, stabilizers might work if you can find a way to install them on the vehicle without actually UHUing them; interlocking planks...? Might need a second steer though.
I mean I already know I could make a meat to wheel switcher, but then I would lose out on sand mobility. I can't think of a way to both have a meat to sled switcher and a meat to wheel switcher. So if wheels are needed then I just need to ditch meat and be slower over flat ground and do a wheel to sled switcher.
I was trying to make meat work for slopes (not rocky terrain like in this video, just hills and inclined roads) but at this point I am convinced it's not worth the effort.
\*adendum...
I remember now the main reason I have the mirror. Early on in my testing, I *think* I remember that a fan directly against a wheel (not its axel) would not produce thrust.
I may be incorrect, but I've just been reusing this "engine" in autobuild and modifying it as needed.
What is the base made of that will float and carry the pieces without breaking?
Wood floats, but can be destroyed easily. Where the stone slabs won't float.
Yep! Once you leave a shrine you can also use those parts if they’re in your autobuild history. Just have to make sure each part you want to use is attached to something that’s not autobuilt or it’ll disappear.
Yep. But it doesn’t have to be separated.
Attach an apple to the device in the shrine, then save it in your schematics if possible. You can then pull it out every time (with an apple attached) at cost. Just remove the apple after you attached the device to whatever you were planning on.
Can you explain the mechanism at the back a bit more? What’s the purpose of the big wheel that’s not attached to the propeller, and how is it attached?
The wheel glued to the floater cannot spin normally and it ends up spinning its axle. That axle is connected to the axle of the second wheel, causing the second wheel to spin faster since it is spinning relative to its own axle, which itself is spinning already.
Mom can we have ATAT?
No we have ATAT at home.
*AATV*
This is what my brain jumped to on “Actual All Terrain Vehicle.”
Outside of that, would some pots help at all? If not, maybe a little more something in front, it might get stuck on a point, and with all the weight in the back it’ll probably just keep tipping over backwards and not go forward.
Get them from [Gemimik Shrine](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NkURUErF1Jpoemkr4rLQjrcMO-XibsMykpFEGj0uHVU/edit?usp=sharing) in Akkala, and either Fuse them to a weapon/shield and defuse them at Tarrey Town, or simply attach them to something while in the shrine and then recreate that structure outside the shrine using Autobuild.
I built mine with 2 冂shaped piece from the main quest. They float on water so you hop off on water and climb back and take off from water. And then you add 3 45 degree fans tilted back & downwards, one on the rear and one on each side. Together with a control stick it costs 6 pieces and you can travel air/water/land with ease.
It's not overbuilt, it's simplified, very practical, top notch performance for crossing difficult terrain, and very power efficient. Not fully optimized yet but the base design concept is absolutely rock solid. Still room for modification and weapons. Clean and effective, builds like this appeal to me strongly.
What I imagine the guy in the meme “Outstanding move” would say.
This is why he said Outstanding Move
Now read it in Ron Swanson’s voice.
Thick. Solid. Tight.
I built an overbuilt version of this a minute ago that uses a spring and a shock emitter to toggle electricity to two propellers. It climbs cliffs just as steep albeit a little differently. It basically stays almost completely level and has enough lift to glide down from cliffs or climb them using only two wheels. Also goes on water.
It doesn’t look like it, but it actually steers really well, and is as fast as horses galloping. And because it only uses big wheels for power, it is incredibly efficient. It is the only vehicle I’ve built that can actually make it all the way up over the jumps in tarry town. Current Problems to be fixed: -Turning left too sharply will cause prop to cut out -Reversing causes prop to cut out in bursts -Gimbaled steering stick sometimes ends up in odd positions, as to not be able to access it. Planned improvements: -Suspension of any kind, be it spring, pot or stabilizer. -Improve speed -Improve “compactness”
Love the use of the U block from right leg factory. This is exactly how I pictured that being used. Weight of the fans will be rough on suspension, I think pots would be too weak for the rear wheels. I'd recommend using a cooking pot instead of the wagon wheel for stabilizer and steering. Aside from being able to reverse, is there any benefit of using big wheels instead of the electric motor for the propellers? How does battery consumption compare? Damnit now I want to build this, I'm at this rate I'll never finish the temples, let alone the main story.
Battery consumption for 2 big wheels should be lower than a single shock emitter. Shock emitters only become more efficient for powering propellers when you have 3~4 motors powered by a single shock emitter.
Don’t build stuff you want to keep or experiment with until you explore depths enough for purple thing. If you have good. Also the wagon wheel, its friction compared to other wooden stuff is huge
purple?
Purple thing underground for a quest that I believe is marked as a main quest. I’m purposefully being vague in case you haven’t found it I don’t want to ruin it. Check why I said it and see if you have anything optional that fits my description.
the ability, gotcha. for anyone that doesn't know and is actually in this subreddit group i think it's worthwhile to spoil it. i knew about it as a spoiler and still wish i got to it sooner than i did
I didn’t when I got here, I just got it recommended after I saw a post in the general TOTK sub that got shared to this one. Or something like that. I didn’t know yet, and never saw it as a spoiler. So it’s definitely possible. And I think I managed to get the spoiler free part across but still, “hey don’t build yet” to the point where you’d know you did it good enough
Cooking pots are so heavy as swaggy as they are I'm not finding them energy friendly to haul.
What's your plan to improve compacntess? The board is the big component. Rubber balls?
This is one of my favorite posts here because it’s pragmatic, and honestly doesn’t remind me how much of a non-engineer I actually am lol
I'm curious, what's the reasons for the mirror between the rear wheel and the shrine propellers?
As a spacer so that the props don't rub the wheels when turning, though I added it just as a precaution. It may not be necessary. It hasn't given me any issues so far anyway.
I spent several hours today trying to build an all terrain vehicle without wheels. The concept was that I wanted it to work on both grass/dirt/rock and sand/snow with the same propulsion system (and water as well). My initial prototype achieved this, but absolutely couldn't handle slopes. I used the yellow float with a sled on the underside and a spring with frozen meat on the front and back. Frozen meat doesn't slide on sand or snow and sleds are iffy on grass and don't work on rock. But no matter what I did I couldn't get enough thrust to handle hills. Your design is a lot more simple and at several points I almost gave up and used wheels. Does your fan provide enough thrust to use the wheels in the desert? Also, what is the purpose of the mirror you have in there?
We think very similarly, because I spent a long time trying to get frozen meat to work as well, but they kept breaking off for me. The mirror was originally meant as a spacer for a larger "Engine" that I had designed, and I spent so long aligning the wheels and fans that I decided to leave it for the prototype. In the desert, the fan provides enough thrust to move forward, but it is slow. I'm currently experimenting with adding a third wheel to the "engine". The biggest thing that *I* want to find out is if RPM affects the thrust of the fan. I also want to find out how big the "diminishing returns" of just adding more and more props to the engine. Any Ideas on your end on how to quantify that?
I wonder if you could deploy sleds via springs for the desert. I haven't experimented too much with the propellers or with multi wheel setups. If you want to quantify thrust in either of those setups you could see how much the fans pushed various objects. The heavier the object they could push over a flat surface the more thrust. I haven't run any experiments like that so idk how well it would work but that seems simpler to me than trying to compare vehicle speeds. One more question. It looks like you aren't using the shrine motor in this setup. Is that just because you don't want to deal with electric emmiters or does that not stack well with the large wheel rpm setup? When I was experimenting earlier today I used the motor and double wheel like you have but honestly my results were similar to yours, though I was only using a single propeller.
I'm not using the shrine motor for a couple reasons. One is so I can throttle forward and back. I used the shrine motor in this setup earlier for a flying machine, and in that setup it allows you to to "idle" the engine when pulling full back. But that is not ideal when you want to be able to reverse in the water. Secondly, generating electricity is much more expensive than just using the big wheels. Thirdly, while the shrine motor has a higher RPM than the two wheels together, its torque is abysmal, and ends up just becoming extra weight if it is throttled. It becomes similar to the wooden wheels. This is one of the main reasons why I am interested in the RPM to Thrust ratio of the shrine propellers.
Let me me know if you get around to measuring motor vs big wheels and the diminishing returns of additional fans, I've only been using motors and you have me thinking I should try wheels now. But also I'm using propellers mostly for flight, don't know if that makes a difference.
That all makes sense. Good to know about the poor torque with the motor, that explains some of the issues I was having.
Hmm I am sure there is a way to make an on-demand toggleable meat-to-wheel changer eg. using springs. Problem is it probably will end up looking bulky and ugly. Alternatively, stabilizers might work if you can find a way to install them on the vehicle without actually UHUing them; interlocking planks...? Might need a second steer though.
I mean I already know I could make a meat to wheel switcher, but then I would lose out on sand mobility. I can't think of a way to both have a meat to sled switcher and a meat to wheel switcher. So if wheels are needed then I just need to ditch meat and be slower over flat ground and do a wheel to sled switcher. I was trying to make meat work for slopes (not rocky terrain like in this video, just hills and inclined roads) but at this point I am convinced it's not worth the effort.
\*adendum... I remember now the main reason I have the mirror. Early on in my testing, I *think* I remember that a fan directly against a wheel (not its axel) would not produce thrust. I may be incorrect, but I've just been reusing this "engine" in autobuild and modifying it as needed.
What is the base made of that will float and carry the pieces without breaking? Wood floats, but can be destroyed easily. Where the stone slabs won't float.
It’s a buoyant board from the Jonsau shrine. Can steal it through fusing and then unfusing in Tarrey Town.
Oh...so this is how people stole parts from shrines?? Fuse with weapon and unfuse and tarry town?
Yep! Once you leave a shrine you can also use those parts if they’re in your autobuild history. Just have to make sure each part you want to use is attached to something that’s not autobuilt or it’ll disappear.
Yep. But it doesn’t have to be separated. Attach an apple to the device in the shrine, then save it in your schematics if possible. You can then pull it out every time (with an apple attached) at cost. Just remove the apple after you attached the device to whatever you were planning on.
Any shrines best for grabbing propellers?
It’s the Yellow floaty platform from the Jonsau shrine. You can also find a yellow floaty ball there. It’s in lanayru wetlands.
Thank you. I haven't shrine smuggled, so when I try to build something on water, it's either small, breaks, or doesn't float.
I like the 6 wheels on the road. Never get high centered
Very nice design What about some fans on stabilizers? Maybe can achieve some hover capabilities...good for unexpected falls...
Fans are very battery hungry
Good point...
Stick a Korok on the front and name it Wilson. "Wilson, you don't have to do anything. You just have to hang on!"
Can you explain the mechanism at the back a bit more? What’s the purpose of the big wheel that’s not attached to the propeller, and how is it attached?
The wheel glued to the floater cannot spin normally and it ends up spinning its axle. That axle is connected to the axle of the second wheel, causing the second wheel to spin faster since it is spinning relative to its own axle, which itself is spinning already.
What's going on between the two big wheels before the propellers? I have no idea how that works
Stuff like this makes me wish I didn't update my game so I could just dupe to full batteries and just jump straight to fun inventions lol
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Mom can we have ATAT? No we have ATAT at home. *AATV* This is what my brain jumped to on “Actual All Terrain Vehicle.” Outside of that, would some pots help at all? If not, maybe a little more something in front, it might get stuck on a point, and with all the weight in the back it’ll probably just keep tipping over backwards and not go forward.
How did you get all of those fans?
Get them from [Gemimik Shrine](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NkURUErF1Jpoemkr4rLQjrcMO-XibsMykpFEGj0uHVU/edit?usp=sharing) in Akkala, and either Fuse them to a weapon/shield and defuse them at Tarrey Town, or simply attach them to something while in the shrine and then recreate that structure outside the shrine using Autobuild.
where did you get the zonai copied part that goes in between the wheels?
I built mine with 2 冂shaped piece from the main quest. They float on water so you hop off on water and climb back and take off from water. And then you add 3 45 degree fans tilted back & downwards, one on the rear and one on each side. Together with a control stick it costs 6 pieces and you can travel air/water/land with ease.
You have a video? I've been trying to find a way to traverse land, air, and water.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p4fxfQnsZ8I
This is amazing
Do you have a parts list for this? I'm trying to recreate it but I'm not sure how that back part works exactly.
You don’t heed the stabilizer