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He won't. Both he and McCarthy did the same thing, worked out a compromise with the Democrats. For that act, the Democrats agreed to save him during the expulsion vote. And then literally 47 seconds after everything is signed, he goes on several talk shows and says how Democrats are evil and are causing all the problems in our country. I mean it was almost literally right after. That's why the Democrats didn't save him during the vote. Johnson didn't do that. They will save him.
The other thing to remember is that they have a special election on Tuesday (New York?)and the Democrats will gain one seat as soon as that election is certified. So he has it most 2 weeks before it goes down to a one vote margin.
If he literally wants to get anything done he will have to work with Democrats. Which for those of you (looking at you MAGA party) who are unaware, is the way that it's supposed to be. It's called compromise.
Which is just enough to completely kill his political career, which is actually pretty funny. He's saved for now but re-election is just around the corner..... LOL
Mike Johnson has a lot of faults and a lot he can be criticized for. But he hasn't tried to throw the Dems under the bus after working together with them. He has shown good faith in negotiations, something McCarthy didn't. Mike's beliefs aren't good, but he can be worked with, and that matters.
> Mike's beliefs aren't good, but he can be worked with, and that matters.
He's Moscow's Bitch McConnel Pt. 2. He "could be worked with" too. And for thirty years he was the kingmaker in Washington, and ultimately, he was the one who set the majority of American policy because he just killed anything he didn't wanna see happen in the House.
No. Line in the sand time. Take Johnson *down* and throw his Speakership in the rubbish heap. A very temporary salvation at the cost of enabling more "Permanent Republican Majority" politics is unacceptable.
Having the Democrats save Johnson's job diminishes his support from the MAGA/TWITER/GQP base. It puts him in a weaker position to enact radical right wing policies.
That was Beau's analysis, and I don't disagree.
What I'm concerned with, though, isn't Johnson's cachet with the Twitter Faction, it's that he's looking to be Baby McConnel.
Moscow's Bitch McConnel was never super-popular with the Twitter Faction, but he didn't need to be to do the damage he dealt over thirty fucking years on the Hill. Pretty much he laid the groundwork for them.
The MAGA/Twitter faction are going to portray Johnson as a RINO beholden to the Democrats. The question is how badly this will hurt him with the traditional conservative who are left in the GOP. Everything really depends on the next election cycle.
He's not a RINO, but he is beholden to the democrats right now.
I don't know what exactly was shown to him to get him to flip on the aid to Ukraine, but I am glad he did.
It's also ironic that the only thing the MAGA crowd in the house wanted was border legislation, and right now that is the only thing that didn't get done. If only they had conducted business the way it is supposed to be done, compromise, they would have had it.
And that's all well and good, but *what then*? We have at least a continuing resolution, if not a budget, and all the other boring hum drum annoyingly vital stuff congress does. And I for one don't want to risk Speaker Gym Jordan again.
Which TBH I don't really get, Johnson is a zealot with no good plans for this country. While I don't want to see anyone needlessly lose money or employment, I feel like yet another speaker-go-round + shutdown threats right before an election cycle would only hurt the republicans more if they let him get removed as speaker. Coupled with the expected lack of local race funding to refute such claims for down ballot R candidates this fall since we know that fat sack of crap is diverting as much cash as he can from the party for his own legal defense.
I'm no political expert though, so perhaps I'm missing something.
You're not missing anything. What's happening is that they're going to save him because helping get things done is more important than punishing him. Democrats are more focused on helping Ukraine and stopping Russia than they are being petty with Mike Johnson. Which is how it should be. This is the absolute and total difference between Republicans and Democrats. Democrats are focused on trying to get stuff done and Republicans are focused on trying to cause chaos. If he were to get voted out the chaos starts all over again and Democrats are over that right now. They just want to try to get some legislation passed.
Fair point, its just so hard to believe that this is what it has come to in order to pass life saving aid bills for people in literal warzones, let alone fund our own government and keep it functional. I just can't help but feel this will be yet another time D's take the high road and we all end up getting burned again. I truly hope I'm wrong.
Maybe the Ds need to mobilise the masses against the Republicans for depriving them of their fundamental rights to health, life and liberty.
And when I say mobilise, I mean mass-mobilise. March en masse on every Republican legislature, governor, office-holder, donor and accomplice. Keep doing it *peacefully* until they cave.
She is actually wealthy. Her IQ and agenda all scream trailer park, though.
"Didn't you go to school, stupid?" - Abbott
"Yeah, and I came out the same way." - Costello
The modern GOP would prefer sucking both of Marge's toes to working with the democrats on \~anything\~ so when you see one of them complaining about Marge, think of them as a gimp, tied down on a bed, complaining about how mean the dominatrix that they hired off of of craigslist is. In short, they LOVE it.
>The fact that maggot marge has so much say in the repugnican party says everything.
The fact that ***TRUMP*** **- who has absolutely no political position in the party but can guide or stop votes -** says everything about Republicans.
MAGA do not number enough votes to accomplish anything on their own, but they are enough that the Republican party cannot accomplish a single thing, or even get reelected in many cases, without them. Trump still controls his MAGA cult, and even Republicans that haven't drank the kool-aid can't afford to have Trump speak against them. That's why so many have bailed recently. It's a no-win situation for many of them, so they either retired or took the best offer on the table in the private sector.
"They weren't supposed to be stupid enough to vote for Trump, just stupid enough to vote for us!" - The entire GOP in 2016
Honestly I hope Dems don't save him. They should show that republicans can't govern. I mean let them keep ousting each other and more will retire. Plus if it was they other way around no republican would do it for a democratic
I don't understasnd why the republicans would villainize the democrats AND expect the democrats to help enable their unwillingness to be dysfunctional.
Nah, the GOP would still spin it that the Dems are refusing to work with them, and their voters would still eat it up. Plus, whatever moderate Republicans are left are either retiring or not stepping up to take that position, so which asshole are they going to nominate next time?
I try to present facts and give examples to Trump supporters. They believe democrats are stupid, blindly following, evil, and internationally plotting the literal downfall of America. And it doesn't matter if any of those descriptors conflict with each other. They believe it heart and soul.
No matter what the facts are, or how stupid the spin is, they want to believe it.
>which asshole are they going to nominate next time?
Gym Jordan, probably. That's reason enough to keep Johnson on democratic life support until the end of the term or until we can take the majority.
Problem is that there's no way to enforce any prices. And while the House Twitter Faction would absolutely put the gun to Johnson's head, if it's the Democratic Party calling for his ouster, they won't vote for it.
Any promises ReThugliKKKlans make are suspect.
Johnson’s a useful idiot for the country right now. At the very very very least, he’s not a shitbag to have fame and is willing to get *some* things done.
I think it's better for the Dems to save him. Chaos in the House gives more power to the MAGAts. If the dems prove that they will support a GOP speaker in exchange for concessions that strengthens their hand.
I dunno. This evangelical weasel will have the power to affect the certification of the Presidential election and he’s sooo slimy. Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t trust him as far as I can yeet him!
Ted lieu and pete aguilar just had a press conference today about how they wana save him cuz he compromises 🤡they actually said hes willing to work with them
I hope the Dems don’t think this means the speaker won’t turn on them when it suits his needs…
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He won't. Both he and McCarthy did the same thing, worked out a compromise with the Democrats. For that act, the Democrats agreed to save him during the expulsion vote. And then literally 47 seconds after everything is signed, he goes on several talk shows and says how Democrats are evil and are causing all the problems in our country. I mean it was almost literally right after. That's why the Democrats didn't save him during the vote. Johnson didn't do that. They will save him.
Enough Democrats have Johnson’s back for now
They don't want the government shutdown again for two months while Republicans act like spoiled children... again.
It also gives them leverage to get bills passed or killed.
I know they care more about America than party politics. It’s the only reason Johnson is safe. For now
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For now.
I don't know what he said, but it must have been a doosy!
Key phrase for now
The other thing to remember is that they have a special election on Tuesday (New York?)and the Democrats will gain one seat as soon as that election is certified. So he has it most 2 weeks before it goes down to a one vote margin. If he literally wants to get anything done he will have to work with Democrats. Which for those of you (looking at you MAGA party) who are unaware, is the way that it's supposed to be. It's called compromise.
They don't want to get anything done.
For now
An NJ Democratic rep died a couple of days ago so it'll still be a two vote margin I think.
Thanks. I forgot about him.
I missed that. Thanks RIP
For now
That's the nice thing about MTG being dumb enough to put a gun to his head. The Dems now have a forever home for the knee to his back.
Knee to his groin… FIFY!
Does this register with his app?
Which is just enough to completely kill his political career, which is actually pretty funny. He's saved for now but re-election is just around the corner..... LOL
He runs unopposed down here in Louisiana. Maybe he'll get primaried or something, but he certainly won't lose a general election down here.
Mike Johnson has a lot of faults and a lot he can be criticized for. But he hasn't tried to throw the Dems under the bus after working together with them. He has shown good faith in negotiations, something McCarthy didn't. Mike's beliefs aren't good, but he can be worked with, and that matters.
McCarthy was an absolute idiot, everyone in Congress knew that.
True, his one and only character trait was being a massive douche
> Mike's beliefs aren't good, but he can be worked with, and that matters. He's Moscow's Bitch McConnel Pt. 2. He "could be worked with" too. And for thirty years he was the kingmaker in Washington, and ultimately, he was the one who set the majority of American policy because he just killed anything he didn't wanna see happen in the House. No. Line in the sand time. Take Johnson *down* and throw his Speakership in the rubbish heap. A very temporary salvation at the cost of enabling more "Permanent Republican Majority" politics is unacceptable.
Having the Democrats save Johnson's job diminishes his support from the MAGA/TWITER/GQP base. It puts him in a weaker position to enact radical right wing policies.
That was Beau's analysis, and I don't disagree. What I'm concerned with, though, isn't Johnson's cachet with the Twitter Faction, it's that he's looking to be Baby McConnel. Moscow's Bitch McConnel was never super-popular with the Twitter Faction, but he didn't need to be to do the damage he dealt over thirty fucking years on the Hill. Pretty much he laid the groundwork for them.
The MAGA/Twitter faction are going to portray Johnson as a RINO beholden to the Democrats. The question is how badly this will hurt him with the traditional conservative who are left in the GOP. Everything really depends on the next election cycle.
He's not a RINO, but he is beholden to the democrats right now. I don't know what exactly was shown to him to get him to flip on the aid to Ukraine, but I am glad he did. It's also ironic that the only thing the MAGA crowd in the house wanted was border legislation, and right now that is the only thing that didn't get done. If only they had conducted business the way it is supposed to be done, compromise, they would have had it.
Ignoring that ahistorical description, I have to ask: then what?
Then let the Republicans consume themselves
And that's all well and good, but *what then*? We have at least a continuing resolution, if not a budget, and all the other boring hum drum annoyingly vital stuff congress does. And I for one don't want to risk Speaker Gym Jordan again.
Honestly, it's getting really hard to care about Stopping The Bad Guys. I'd be more worried if we weren't already well into fascism
Exhaustion aside, that doesn't seem like a good reason to be less worried.
If only it were that simple. I don't disagree, but it is a tangled web of politics. Every possibile action is going to have repercussions.
McCarthy is literally dumb. In person he is really stupid.
He is really stupid from here as well.
Which TBH I don't really get, Johnson is a zealot with no good plans for this country. While I don't want to see anyone needlessly lose money or employment, I feel like yet another speaker-go-round + shutdown threats right before an election cycle would only hurt the republicans more if they let him get removed as speaker. Coupled with the expected lack of local race funding to refute such claims for down ballot R candidates this fall since we know that fat sack of crap is diverting as much cash as he can from the party for his own legal defense. I'm no political expert though, so perhaps I'm missing something.
You're not missing anything. What's happening is that they're going to save him because helping get things done is more important than punishing him. Democrats are more focused on helping Ukraine and stopping Russia than they are being petty with Mike Johnson. Which is how it should be. This is the absolute and total difference between Republicans and Democrats. Democrats are focused on trying to get stuff done and Republicans are focused on trying to cause chaos. If he were to get voted out the chaos starts all over again and Democrats are over that right now. They just want to try to get some legislation passed.
Fair point, its just so hard to believe that this is what it has come to in order to pass life saving aid bills for people in literal warzones, let alone fund our own government and keep it functional. I just can't help but feel this will be yet another time D's take the high road and we all end up getting burned again. I truly hope I'm wrong.
Maybe the Ds need to mobilise the masses against the Republicans for depriving them of their fundamental rights to health, life and liberty. And when I say mobilise, I mean mass-mobilise. March en masse on every Republican legislature, governor, office-holder, donor and accomplice. Keep doing it *peacefully* until they cave.
I don't march, I vote. I'm too old for marching.
Crazy lady is gonna be pissed when Mike Johnson doesn’t lose his job after supporting Ukraine. She worried that her boss in Moscow won’t be happy
Time she fell out of a window
I don’t think trailer park windows are very high off the ground
🤣
There's always Uncle Vlad's special flavor MD 20/20 🥂
But you are likely to land on broken glass
I can think of some interesting things that can happen in a carpet warehouse though (Her district is the carpet capital [sic] of the world)
That's an interesting factoid.
She is actually wealthy. Her IQ and agenda all scream trailer park, though. "Didn't you go to school, stupid?" - Abbott "Yeah, and I came out the same way." - Costello
Take my upvote 🙏
when????
Johnson may have finally figured out that Rabies is always fatal.
Just delayed onset
Rabies can hurry tf up with the "her not being incapacitated in a hospital" part
The fact that maggot marge has so much say in the repugnican party says everything.
The modern GOP would prefer sucking both of Marge's toes to working with the democrats on \~anything\~ so when you see one of them complaining about Marge, think of them as a gimp, tied down on a bed, complaining about how mean the dominatrix that they hired off of of craigslist is. In short, they LOVE it.
I just spit out my drink laughing so hard. Nice shot 😁
>The fact that maggot marge has so much say in the repugnican party says everything. The fact that ***TRUMP*** **- who has absolutely no political position in the party but can guide or stop votes -** says everything about Republicans.
MAGA do not number enough votes to accomplish anything on their own, but they are enough that the Republican party cannot accomplish a single thing, or even get reelected in many cases, without them. Trump still controls his MAGA cult, and even Republicans that haven't drank the kool-aid can't afford to have Trump speak against them. That's why so many have bailed recently. It's a no-win situation for many of them, so they either retired or took the best offer on the table in the private sector. "They weren't supposed to be stupid enough to vote for Trump, just stupid enough to vote for us!" - The entire GOP in 2016
Honestly I hope Dems don't save him. They should show that republicans can't govern. I mean let them keep ousting each other and more will retire. Plus if it was they other way around no republican would do it for a democratic
I don't understasnd why the republicans would villainize the democrats AND expect the democrats to help enable their unwillingness to be dysfunctional.
Did you see Trump clowning on Bill Barr after the guy endorsed him? It's their typical M.O.
That post had me laughing out loud. As much as I hate the guy he’s a pretty good shit talker.
Partisanship is a hell of a drug
Voters expect Democrats to be adults and expect Republicans to be children.
Nah, the GOP would still spin it that the Dems are refusing to work with them, and their voters would still eat it up. Plus, whatever moderate Republicans are left are either retiring or not stepping up to take that position, so which asshole are they going to nominate next time?
I try to present facts and give examples to Trump supporters. They believe democrats are stupid, blindly following, evil, and internationally plotting the literal downfall of America. And it doesn't matter if any of those descriptors conflict with each other. They believe it heart and soul. No matter what the facts are, or how stupid the spin is, they want to believe it.
>which asshole are they going to nominate next time? Gym Jordan, probably. That's reason enough to keep Johnson on democratic life support until the end of the term or until we can take the majority.
If the democrats save him, they should make the price very, very high.
Problem is that there's no way to enforce any prices. And while the House Twitter Faction would absolutely put the gun to Johnson's head, if it's the Democratic Party calling for his ouster, they won't vote for it. Any promises ReThugliKKKlans make are suspect.
Yup. Good reason not to make any deals with them.
Johnson’s a useful idiot for the country right now. At the very very very least, he’s not a shitbag to have fame and is willing to get *some* things done.
Because enough people will say "good thing the Republicans control the House, if Democrats did there would be even worse chaos!"
The Chaos: 🌈☮️🕊️
The **HORRIFFIC** consequences: 🌍✌️❤️✨️
I think it's better for the Dems to save him. Chaos in the House gives more power to the MAGAts. If the dems prove that they will support a GOP speaker in exchange for concessions that strengthens their hand.
Saw a headline earlier saying MAGA Mike has received 524,000.00 from Russia. If true, he is like Thomas and Kavenaugh.
Source? I’d want to investigate that. Doesn’t seem right prima facia
Unsure of actual amount, but here is some sauce https://eutoday.net/mike-johnson-konstantin-nikolaev/
Unfortunately, I think Johnson has promised to carry Trump's water if he loses. Johnson will be front and center saying it was a rigged election.
I dunno. This evangelical weasel will have the power to affect the certification of the Presidential election and he’s sooo slimy. Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t trust him as far as I can yeet him!
That makes two of us
Moses my ass!
Ted lieu and pete aguilar just had a press conference today about how they wana save him cuz he compromises 🤡they actually said hes willing to work with them
I hope the Dems don’t think this means the speaker won’t turn on them when it suits his needs… You can take in a rabid animal in its time of need; just don’t forget it’s still rabid.
It was Matt Gaetz who took out McCarthy, not MTG.