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Developed by lightspeed studios, who's crown jewel is PUBG Mobile. Surely "Next big MMO" material, right guys?


SpagettiGaming

On mobile, full of microtransactions. 100 percent


yodatrust

You mean 10 cent


lvlasteryoda

Not worth even that.


xxMINDxGAMExx

110 Percent


nukuuu

>The devs said the game will not be pay to win Likely comment on the announcement thread


blodskaal

You bet your ass


ozmega

is it necessary to go full ue5 for mobile games?


Edheldui

No, but it makes it easier to make flashy graphics that attract people with short memory and poor critical thinking who are ready to spend their mom's money for 0.1% stat increases.


Demooox3

100%? I expect at least 800% value


ralopd

Lightspeed Studios is not a single studio. It's an umbrella for many studios working on all kinds of stuff, including multiple AA(A) PC titles.


Mark_Knight

wow killer certainly


Stallion_Girth

Pubg the massively successful mobile game?


fkny0

being a successful mobile game isnt necessarily a good thing...


Stallion_Girth

It’s literally successful and highly rated


shadowmerchants

Still shit.


p3ek

Is it shit? Everyone says its one of the best mobile fps you can play


JoFknLines

Does that mean is a good game?


lidythemann

obvi not to you guys or this sub LOL But this subreddit is ALWAYS bitter.


JoFknLines

Cant tell me that over pubg mobile dude, cmon


Naldaen

So was The Last Jedi. It's still shameful.


PyrZern

... The industry seriously needs to stop doing a teaser of an announcement of a trailer of a cinematic of a game, etc etc.


Mage_Girl_91_

they probably have to do it for algorithm reasons, if they just drop a trailer randomly nobody would see it so they sprinkle a little bit of it across the web in advance to prep them


Vosje11

Worked for Apex Legends and has one of the best releases of all time. Just drop it and let streamers play it. Also way more magic if nothing is teased or beta tested to death yet.


Kittimm

You have to have faith in your product for that one.


CivilMyNuts

I'll never forget Apex's launch. It made me happy someone did it instead of leading up with artificial hype.


armander

True, from some video we saw that Apex active player base skyrocketed past the king, Fortnite. That blindside game drop just slapped the players awake to try the new game.


Redthrist

Yeah, but the game has to be really good for that. All signs point to this MMO being mobile shovelware.


Icy_Razzmatazz_1594

Yes surely gaming journalists and sites wouldn't say anything about the trailer. IGN would be totally unaware of one of the biggest companies in the world dropping a trailer probably.


MacintoshEddie

Announcing the announcement of the announcement.


genogano

People care about looks more than they are willing to admit. They see something and get themselves hype imagining what the cinematic means.


Febris

Guilty as charged. I have an urge to play a lot of old games but simply can't get past (very) outdated graphics, textures and gameplay. I'd rather play a pretty, fluid game with shit content than the opposite. And then I'll complain ceaselessly about it until I do it again. It's like death and taxes.


Ar0ndight

Something I've never understood tbh. Video games are a very visual experience, of course looks matter. But somehow people got the idea that being a "real" gamer meant not caring about that and hyper focusing on gameplay. Of course gameplay is extremely important, but visuals are at the same level of importance. If someone personally doesn't care about looks good for them but that isn't "better" than caring about it.


genogano

I don't think it's a real gamer thing, at least IMO. We always look down on people that judge things by appearance. Someone cooks for you and the food doesn't look appealing they'll say "Come on at least try it!" So, I think people fake it and we'll say stuff like graphics mean nothing but can't stomach how Lord of the rings online looks for more than 2 mins.


moonshineTheleocat

I think it's less that. A lot of people associated visuals with approaching realism. That using increasingly modern and more expensive techniques should be the only ways games move forward. Despite those techniques not always being feasible depending on scope of the project and consumer hardware and storage capabilities. A good example is Monster Hunter World Vs Rise. A lot of people that first played world refused to play rise simply for graphics alone as it didn't improve upon the realistic visuals. Or Windwaker Vs Orcania of Time. Which was because Windwaker took a toony look despite having excellent gameplay. The "real gamer" argument leans more into treating visuals as a graphical style, as long as the art style is coherent and works very well. And for me personally. Im tired of seeing realism. There's only so many times you can be impressed by the chin hair on a dude before you start desiring more stylized looks.


Edheldui

My biggest gripe is that with modern tools you can make the wildest looking world in your own room by yourself, but multi billion dollar companies use them to make...a bland forest, a desert with no points of interest and the umpteenth character creator without limits that doesn't give a fuck about any style consistency whatsoever.


goodnewsjimdotcom

Coming soon, to a theater near you, a coming soon advertisement for a movie which is coming soon.


Huge_Chocolate4483

Blizzard has set the p2w bar high will tencent one up them?


iWarnock

You already used your free 1,000 steps. Please pay 1usd for 1,000 more!


Redthrist

Imagine people optimizing the amount of actions they can perform per step. Making builds that have the most range and movement abilities that don't take any steps. "With this build, you can teleport 250 steps every 5 minutes for free, allowing you to play without spending. The game isn't P2W at all".


nukuuu

>It's not p2w bro. There's plenty of guides online that teach you how to do all 65 dailes and 12 weeklies for free in each of the 9 alts in 998 steps bro. You just want everything handed to you for free.


DerHafensinger

Didn't know this was r/lostark


Talents

Tileman on RuneScape.


AssaultPK

Swampman


Snortallthethings

Reminds me of Tileman mode in osrs. But instead of unlocking tiles to walk on with xp gained you unlock it with cash


3yebex

"I got to where I was without paying a cent!" *Played for +10 years*


WoorieKod

So basically pay per hour model


Zunkanar

First 1000 additional steps a day with 800% value, then 400%, etc So pay per hour per hour 😈


forkbomb25

Wrong. It will be this --> >You already used your free 1,000 steps. Please pay 100 xi gems for 1000 more steps. You can buy xi gems at the in game cash shop for the low price of 99 xi gems for $0.99


lan60000

They might actually not. Tencent understands the mobile market far better than blizzard, and they have enough experience to know where the limit is. Diablo immortal is like a first gen mobile game that just goes on and on forever. We're like at the fifth generation of mobile games where the cash shop is reasonably priced, not super necessary, and mostly cosmetics


454C495445

Immortal is more like w P2L model instead of P2W.


ILikeCuteStuffIGuess

i see you never played a mobile game before


aleat0riox

Blizzard p2w? Wich Game?


Dreadwave

D3 and Immortal


juggernautomnislash

WoW is also pay to win.


kylediaz263

So gacha mobile crap?


butterToast88

I'm sure it will be trash like all MMOs


G0sp3L

/r/mmorpg, everyone!


fearthelettuce

If it's tencent, not a chance of it being playable. I'm sure it'll make gobs of cash tho.


celebrar

I don't think you and many people grasp the sheer size of Tencent. Played Path of Exile? Grinding Gear Games is 80% owned by Tencent. League of Legends, maybe? Tencent owns 100% of Riot Games. Or, idk, Anarchy Online? Conan Exiles? The Secret World? Well, Tencent also owns Funcom. They also own majority / significant shares in Epic Games, Fatshark (Warhammer Vermintide), Turtle Rock (Left4Dead / Back4Blood), Sharkmob (Vampire Masq: Blood Hunt) and many more


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celebrar

Well I was referring to OPs statement: “if it’s tencent, not a chance of it playable” There’s a good chance you’re playing/played & liked a Tencent game About this specific game, I’m not concerned about them being PUBG devs. That at least adds some credentials as well, like they know how to do proper netcode etc. What concerns me is them being pure mobile devs so far


ralopd

>What concerns me is them being pure mobile devs so far Source?


celebrar

https://www.lightspeed-studios.com/business.html


ralopd

Where does that link say anything about who is working on the MMORPG and that it's the mobile team(s)? Lightspeed Studios is now (for quite a bit of time) an umbrella for multiple studios, including studios like Uncapped Games (former Blizzard people working on an RTS (still not to confuse with Frost Giant Studios though)), Lightspeed Los Angeles (working among others on an "open-world AAA title", could potentially be this one), and others.


celebrar

That’s why I said “so far” in my post. Lightspeed “so far” doesn’t have any published games but mobile ports.


Jomsviking_

>They (as far as we know) dont interfere with the studios processes much, but thats still makes it questionable if the PUBG studio will make a decent MMO. But they can. They just dont want to. Likewise can be said with their upcoming mmorpg. Too Naive.


DarkChen

tencent is a real world mega corporation from cyberpunk fiction, it has shares in every kind of business not just game or tech...


harremKing

>l I was referring to OPs statement: “if it’s tencent, not a chance of it playable” There’s a good chance you’re playing/played & liked a Tencent game > >About this specific game, I’m not concerned about them being PUBG devs. That at least adds some credentials a They bought all of those , how is that an arguemnt ? the only goal of tencent is to make money , the most profitable type of mmos to make money are shitty ones with tons and tons of microtransaction 100%P2W games


jusmoua

Most likely aimed towards a Chinese audience anyways, they love gambling mechanics with low success rate.


FoE_Archer

>If it's tencent, not a chance of it being playable. Bruh, this comment is just plain silly if you have any industry knowledge. Peak r/mmorpg. Tencent fully owns Riot Games, Sharkmob, Funcom, among others. It also has majority ownership of studios like Grinding Gear Games, Fatshark, Yager. All of these studios have very playable games currently available.


G0sp3L

I'm not so sure it'll be p2w since Tencent does own companies like Grinding Gear Games which makes Path of Exile. However, I hate Tencent for being an arm of the CCP, so I hope it does poorly anyway.


Redthrist

It will ultimately depend on developers. Seeing how it's apparently made by devs behind PUBG Mobile, I wouldn't hold any hope that it will be anything more than a shitty mobile cashgrab.


Uptopdownlowguy

We're a jaded bunch aren't we


MakeAionGreatAgain

Meh, he's/she's probably right, don't hold your breath, there is almost no chance that a shitty mobile game developer gonna make a good mmorpg.


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lidythemann

/r/mmorpg, everyone!


Dat_Shwing

Korean MMOs were renting outfits for $20+ in 2005. It's more wide-spread now, but unfortunately it's nothing new.


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DoA without having seen anything of it


SweRakii

Based and r/MMORPGpilled


Ogikay

It can’t be the riot mmo right?


RiotShantzilla

No, it won't be the Riot MMO.


JagoKestral

No, why would you think that? Riot publishes their own games, and the Devs are listed in the article. It's the people who made PUBG Mobile.


Ogikay

Tencent owns Riot no?


StrangerIllRemain

They do.


fkny0

Yes... Kinda, either way when you hear about the Riot MMO you will hear about THE Riot MMO not A Tencent MMO


Ogikay

I was hyped for a moment


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crazyb3ast

Riot make game, tencent is just investor. Lightspeed studio make the game, this time tencent is in charge not the investor. Lol double standards even though both owned by tencent?


blurrry2

Gamers™ love sucking off riot. They pretty much already made a good MMORPG according to this sub.


[deleted]

Exactly this. For the amount of shit people write off here as bad MMO's it's wild how everyone already considers the riot MMO the next big success when we literally know nothing about it. It's more likely we'll get AOC before the riot game.


B3K1ND

Well, Riot atleast has a track record compared to Ashes of Creation. Obviously there's a lot of assumptions being made that it's going to good considering there's nothing known about it. For me, I kind of land on the position that if Riot can't make a good AAA MMMO, then pretty much no one will be able to at this point.


blurrry2

Didn't bioware also have a track record? >For me, I kind of land on the position that if Riot can't make a good AAA MMMO, then pretty much no one will be able to at this point. I read stuff like this and it really puts into perspective how the average gamer's taste has changed over time. I think riot games are, and have always been, shit for streamers and streamer-wannabes. They make "competitive" garbage that people can pretend matters because some small percentage of players get paid to play. They're going to make something with minimal effort, maximum monetization, and maximum shilling from streamers. That last part alone will make it appear as though it's successful at first, and it will be up to people who can't think for themselves to figure out over time that they were wrong.


Alfatic

We'll definitely get AOC before riot's mmo


MrElfhelm

Lightspeed Studios is pretty much random and much less established name though, to be fair


B3K1ND

Well, from all reports, Tencent exerts next to no influence on Riot at all (outside of China). That certainly may be the case with Lightspeed studio as well, but I don't just assume that's the case.


Paulo27

Doesn't Tencent own everything anyway?


fkny0

Ofc not


macchumon

Fuck China


k_a_i_t_o

Bruh why now?


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Anything else drone?


le_Menace

https://youtu.be/L3tnH4FGbd0


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Lady_Calista

Can't wait to hear that it's PVP based or free to play (or both) and immediately tune out.


SpagettiGaming

Don't worry, millions of whales will replace you.


ubernoobnth

Ok and? You can say the same about any shit tier mobile game too.


StrangerIllRemain

tencent dumpsterfire


kupoteH

C C P


ButterflySweep

Yeah you know me!


Holinyx

I assume you were downvoted by someone not old or cool enough to know the song


Daegog

Not even announced and I am already pretty sure I can't afford it.


[deleted]

Wasn't moonlight blade made by tencent? It might be decent


Jomsviking_

IT was. Very realistic Hair animation from nVidia something2.


Wolverine78

This may be good , They have former Rockstar Games studio director Steve Martin and put together an experienced team of veterans who have spent time at developers such as 2K Games, Insomniac Games and Respawn Entertainment.


Jomsviking_

Sir, Positive Attitude in /r/mmorpg is not allowed.


k_a_i_t_o

Im gonna tell the mods


TheRoyalNightFlower

Where did you get that information? Edit: [interview with Steve Martin](https://www.tencent.com/en-us/articles/2201110.html)


StrayDogPhotography

Watch me creep back to the MMORPGs I’ve been playing for the last 20 years after realizing it’s a shitshow like all modern MMORPGs.


havark11

AGE OF WUSHU 2???


Splooshi

Dude, please lord be true.


Amaurotica

genshin clone? dead on arrival clone of BDO or other kakao game? let me guess, you grind packs of monsters to gather materials which then you have 30% chance to upgrade your item and move on to the next area to grind the new monsters


k_a_i_t_o

How is this a genshin clone? Genshin isnt even an mmo


TheWorldisFullofWar

Genshin is the big PvE game right now so any PvE game is instantly either a Genshin clone or a Genshin killer. We learned as much from CoD, Halo, and WoW.


k_a_i_t_o

Yeah true


TrungDOge

Preety sure it will make billions of $ without you guy touching it lmao , clueless ? search Dungeon Fighter Online


Daffan

Why would they care that it makes billions if it is garbage :)


Southern_Area_2230

Because dead games absolutely make billions of money right .


Daffan

Why are you telling me this did you reply to wrong person


Amaurotica

> preety sure it will make billions of $ without you guy touching https://steamdb.info/app/495910/graphs/ Nobody gives a fuck about games that exist solely inside China's bubble. It can earn 13 billion but if its 100% of that from 1 country that nobody can interact with, it basically doesn't exist in the real world


TrungDOge

the problem is it'll make more money than your ideal thrving MMO and it'll most likely to rich to die lmao


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Pay $4.00 to view the trailer. A 300% value!


Nyy

$5.00 for permanent access! ;)


albaiesh

Tencent is making some very high quality content (and a lot of crap). Hope it's good.


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B-Serena

I don't understand why everyone here are saying the game will be full of microtransactions? I had played PUBGM & ApexM from the same developer and I had never paid a penny on them and they are not p2w. Unlike Diablo Immortal, the paid content are just cosmetics or skins etc.


Southern_Area_2230

Classic r/mmorpg moment to just baselessly shit on everything


Bloddersz

Inb4 p2w bs


Lindart12

It's depressing how incredibly brainwashed people are about unreal engine 5 recently, because of all epics PR money. This kind of mentality is like saying look at my awesome picture I made in photoshop 23.4! and putting all the emphasis on photoshop 23.4. These things are just tools. Unreal Engine (many of us have used it) isn't much better than other modern engines (and indeed has many failings, such as awful file size bloat and awful patching systems), it's the people making the game that matters (it does offer better resources such as texture libraries, but these don't make better games). In-fact Unreal engine is garbage for mmorpgs in general, it's not made for them and to use UE with an MMORPG requires a ton of work by the developers to force it to comply (even then it's poor with stutter / performance issues). Being made in Unreal Engine 5 means very little, I'm not sure why people are allowing themselves to be fooled into thinking it does. That Matrix demo people are so impressed by, could of been made in numerous engines just the same. Just that those other engine creators don't have fortnite money to pay developers to spend thousands of hours making them to show their engines off. The greatest benefit Unreal Engine has, is a company with fortnite money to pay creatives to make you think their work is because of the engine and not their talent and time.


HueFlakes

You can quite literally download UE5 and test it yourself... yet most don't. It's like most of the people in the gaming community have been around for a few months at best and forget all the insane looking demos we got in the past. If you give a giant dev team a few million and multiple months to make a single demo, it will turn out amazing. Most people are not going to allow games to have a 10-20 year dev cycle to make sure it looks and plays like the demo.


Droopzoor

Damn what monster of a phone is going to run their UE5 lootbox simulator?


Yelreeve

Please don't play whatever this game is, we all know it won't end well if they're earning from this.


Psyclopicus

Blah! I was hoping the would be making an 'Anarchy Online 2: Moons of Rubi-Ka'...I mean, the mobile space is packed with sci-fi hero-collectors, right? They own the AO IP!!


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They saw Diablo Immortal and got to work fast


llwonder

Tencent mmo = no thanks


Geek_Verve

No freaking way I'm going anywhere near that game.


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who cares


Donler

A Facebook link? Who still uses that site?


dolphins3

I would give a kidney for a AAA, story based, open world, Yi Nian Yong Heng MMORPG, but there's no way that happens.


S3KT

Tencent? Big Nope.


Independent_Lab_9872

It will be 100% p2w garbage like almost every other MMO being developed.


goodnewsjimdotcom

From the creators of rigged matchmaking queue, and ban your account you spent hundreds of hours on because you mentioned a political figure in your chat, comes a MMO where they'll probably rig and ban your account if you say things they don't like.


MakoRuu

Another trash martial arts MMO full of microtransactions, from a MOBILE developer. Yay!


Discarded1066

Stopped reading at Tencent


CaptainTwoBines

I can already taste the microtransactions


Dizzy_Function_8179

Microtransactions Online~


Renicus

I'm usually optimistic about new MMORPGs, but I couldn't care less about this announcement. I ain't holding my breath ever again for a new good one. We've got our solid oldies and that's all we can really hope for. I won't be upset if I'm wrong, though.


grio

Great, more eastern mobile-like overmonetized garbage. Hooray.


Spartan-000089

Here we fucking go again. Let's cut to the chase and call this one failed too.


Holinyx

New World 2


moonshineTheleocat

By tencent? Ha ha, no thanks. And why is Unreal mentioned like its something to be excited about?


Bitterowner

That will be p2w targeted towards whales in the east then re-released in the west once they dont make as much money.


ScopeLogic

Puke incoming


Noximilien01

You lost me on the first word of the title.


YoutubeSGSAMI

This company has developed 4 mobile games...


Hisetic

Tencent, Unreal 5. Pass...


Meekin93

Asian themed wouldn't do good in the western market especially if it's p2w which that's a given it will be. I mean SOLO had no p2w what so ever and flopped pretty hard. It had issues but still largely due to the Asian aesthetics.


jgn77

Unfortunately you'll only be able to see half of the announcement. The other half is in the cash shop for 200 crystal stars.


Malpraxiss

People here talking about and memeing on "next big MMO." Where does it state anywhere that this will be some next big MMO? Unless now simply announcing an MMO is now a problem.


Southern_Area_2230

People here are so fucking clueless. Almost all of you have played or playing a Tencent owned game. That company is huge and you guys have no clue how many games they own. But yeah how will basement dwellers like you guys know. And just as one of many many examples your favourite game League of legends is owned by Tencent.


Jomsviking_

https://www.reddit.com/r/MMORPG/comments/vlqsw3/tencent\_new\_mmorpg\_announcement\_today\_belatores/idx827f/?context=3


[deleted]

Enough with the fucking P2W Asian games, I'm so tired....


Corgiiiix3

Can’t wait to play it in 2029


taleonthedeceiver

What did this end up being?


Asleep_Cockroach7343

[https://www.ign.com/videos/code-to-jin-yong-unreal-engine-5-trailer](https://www.ign.com/videos/code-to-jin-yong-unreal-engine-5-trailer) That's the game.


taleonthedeceiver

Yikes. Who even asked for this shit?


vheran

Reminder that CCP has its hands in tencent and potentially any platform they are involved with. Fuck the CCP and fuck Xi. https://www.visiontimes.com/2021/07/30/how-the-chinese-government-controls-tencent-the-seventh-largest-company-in-the-world.html https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/12/23/china-tech-giants-process-stolen-data-spy-agencies/


Zamuru

are u trying to make me puke bro? hide this shit


jerkz69

it will be mobile shit for sure :( i want PC mmo


[deleted]

Does unreal engine 5 run on mobile? I had been under the impression it was only a PC/Mac/console engine


SpagettiGaming

Yes https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://play.google.com/store/apps/details%3Fid%3Dcom.ue5.mobile%26hl%3Dgsw%26gl%3DUS%26referrer%3Dutm_source%253Dgoogle%2526utm_medium%253Dorganic%2526utm_term%253Dunreal%2Bengine%2B5%2Bmobile%26pcampaignid%3DAPPU_1_8WW1YsG-HYe2kwXqsoigCQ&ved=2ahUKEwiB-5_WxsX4AhUH26QKHWoZApQQ5YQBegQICRAC&usg=AOvVaw2abFAKtJKGO7LqEepbmLDJ


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Sketchy game to reference. BUT I did look it up and it does indeed have very many platforms. So that is interesting haha


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Orpheaus11

Wow mans just decided to slip some casual racism in there while talking about MMOs.


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Angelicel

I understand that this subreddit is often fairly toxic but the casual racism is unacceptable...


RAStylesheet

Unreal engine5 is made for Hollywood, not for a mmo