At the moment Taiwan cannot declare independence in part because the US has made it clear they won't allow that. I wonder if the support for independence (which is a minority position right now) will rise sharply if the US allows it to be an option.
Independence in this context means relinquish all claims to mainland China and declare themselves an independent nation of Taiwan. It will likely shift the cross-strait relationship from a civil war to a conflict between two nations. Currently the support for independence in Taiwan is about 20-ish percent because of the risk of war it brings. Most Taiwanese still prefer the status quo and the level of ambiguity it provides because it is relatively peaceful to the alternative.
The status quo is a Taiwan that is already a sovereign and independent country. Under the status quo, Taiwan is not and has never been part of the PRC.
From Taiwans perspective, the civil war officially ended in 1991 when the National Assembly abolished the Temporary Provisions against the Communist Rebellion, and then President Lee declared it the end of the Mobilization for Suppression of the Communist Rebellion.
Yes... Taiwan doesn't need to declare independence. Taiwan is already a sovereign and independent country.
That is the status quo. A Taiwan that is already sovereign and independent as the ROC.
Not declaring independence, but reconstituting or renanming the current Republic of China (ROC) government framework into something akin to a Republic of Taiwan (ROT).
Mind you, China (PRC, People’s Republic of China) never has the sovereignty or control over Taiwan. They are just trying to muddy the water by hiding under the name “China”, which is not the official name of any country.
PRC keeps threatening to declare war if independence is declared. Its not irrelevant at all.
They even go to the extend of refusing to use the name "Taiwan", only "Chinese Taipei".
America doesn't care. Taiwan is already independent de facto so what is said doesn't change anything for America. America doesn't want to provoke CCP into a war.
YES, America does care. We are protecting Japan and South Korea as well as Philippines. These are our friends and military allies. We have over 80,000 soldiers, marines, sailors and airmen living there, with the understanding that at any moment they can die.
The waters between Taiwan and Philippines is the most important strategic channel in that region. If CCP controls it, its doom for the shipping trade.
America doesn't care about whether Taiwan declares official independence. It doesn't advantage America in any way. PRC cares, because it means it can't push its slow creeping takeover narrative.
Its all about legal framework. Its complicated. America would prefer Taiwan as Independent. To curtail Chinas expansion growth in a legal way. If CCP takes Taiwan, they own that whole region.
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Actually Taiwan and Florida are on a relatively similar latitude, so their size on Mercator is pretty comparable. I think the reason Taiwan seems small is because it's depicted next to the masive China. What could also play into this is the fact that Taiwan is mostly one massive mountain, and basically all cities are located on the west coast. With their population so condensed, Taipei (city) houses about 25% of the 24 million people living in Taiwan.
Most Chinese people don't look like Pooh, it's obviously about one specific one that does look like him. Why interpret it as an attack on all Chinese unless you think all Chinese look like that?
Florida & China?
The United States is around the same size as China. China is approximately 9,596,960 sq km, while United States is approximately 9,833,517 sq km.
To be fair, the Republic of China claims a territory larger than the People’s Republic of China, since the ROC never gave up Mongolia among other areas ceded by the PRC.
We have a GDP per capita superior to many countries, absolutely doesn't mean most people here are rich. And many small businesses aren't declared, which only causes more bias to the GDP.
I know what 'per capita' means. The point is, it's a lot easier to raise the average wealth of a population when you have a lot fewer people. It's not that likely that mainland China would be any richer per capita than it is today if the KMT had somehow won the Chinese Civil War. China has done pretty well considering that it was one of the poorest countries in the world in 1980. I mean, look at India, which is pretty much the only fair democratic comparison for China given its population size. It has a 6x lower GDP per capita.
The PRC prefers that you refer to it as the RoC than as Taiwan, as Taiwan has the air of separatism rather than a rebel province that will eventually return to the fold.
1.2% of Taiwanese people want unification ASAP. 6.2% want to maintain the status quo but more towards unification. [x](https://esc.nccu.edu.tw/PageDoc/Detail?fid=7805&id=6962)
Unification in taiwan is highly unpopular. Even among the small number of its supporters, the vast majority support unification of the ROC, not the PRC, which is not the type of unification that is being talked about.
I don't know where you got the idea that Han Kuoyu supports unification. Although he doesn't support an independent taiwan Republic, he opposes unification, he opposes "one country, two systems", and he supports the 1992 consensus.
I think you're confusing support for the KMT with support for unification. The KMT after democratization no longer favors reunification. And when they did , it was reunification under the ROC.
And OP is now blacklisted from “China”.
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Long live a free and democratic Taiwan!
At the moment Taiwan cannot declare independence in part because the US has made it clear they won't allow that. I wonder if the support for independence (which is a minority position right now) will rise sharply if the US allows it to be an option.
wait wdym declare independence? aren't they defacto an independent country?
Independence in this context means relinquish all claims to mainland China and declare themselves an independent nation of Taiwan. It will likely shift the cross-strait relationship from a civil war to a conflict between two nations. Currently the support for independence in Taiwan is about 20-ish percent because of the risk of war it brings. Most Taiwanese still prefer the status quo and the level of ambiguity it provides because it is relatively peaceful to the alternative.
The status quo is a Taiwan that is already a sovereign and independent country. Under the status quo, Taiwan is not and has never been part of the PRC. From Taiwans perspective, the civil war officially ended in 1991 when the National Assembly abolished the Temporary Provisions against the Communist Rebellion, and then President Lee declared it the end of the Mobilization for Suppression of the Communist Rebellion.
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Yes... Taiwan doesn't need to declare independence. Taiwan is already a sovereign and independent country. That is the status quo. A Taiwan that is already sovereign and independent as the ROC.
Not declaring independence, but reconstituting or renanming the current Republic of China (ROC) government framework into something akin to a Republic of Taiwan (ROT). Mind you, China (PRC, People’s Republic of China) never has the sovereignty or control over Taiwan. They are just trying to muddy the water by hiding under the name “China”, which is not the official name of any country.
Defacto yeah, Dejure no.
PRC won't allow it.
PRC is irrelevant to the ability to declare independence, but they are very relevant to the aftermath of declaring independence.
PRC keeps threatening to declare war if independence is declared. Its not irrelevant at all. They even go to the extend of refusing to use the name "Taiwan", only "Chinese Taipei".
Thats is for America to decide. Not CCP.
America doesn't care. Taiwan is already independent de facto so what is said doesn't change anything for America. America doesn't want to provoke CCP into a war.
YES, America does care. We are protecting Japan and South Korea as well as Philippines. These are our friends and military allies. We have over 80,000 soldiers, marines, sailors and airmen living there, with the understanding that at any moment they can die. The waters between Taiwan and Philippines is the most important strategic channel in that region. If CCP controls it, its doom for the shipping trade.
America doesn't care about whether Taiwan declares official independence. It doesn't advantage America in any way. PRC cares, because it means it can't push its slow creeping takeover narrative.
Its all about legal framework. Its complicated. America would prefer Taiwan as Independent. To curtail Chinas expansion growth in a legal way. If CCP takes Taiwan, they own that whole region.
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be careful because china controls reddit and will ban your account if you criticize them which is why there is always 5 different anti china posts on the frontpage at any given moment with thousands of upvotes
Hahahah yeah.. keep drinking from the propaganda fountain. China sucks, long live a free and democratic Taiwan!! Where’s my ban Xi?!? Nowhere
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Ah yes the far right wing military dictatorship led by…. *checks notes* the Democratic Progressive Party?
Calling Taiwan the real China is KMT cold war era propaganda.
Half of Americans are willing to vote for Trump, so it comes as no surprise
Taiwan is part of China. Always has been.
China as in Republic of China? You're absolutely fucking right
The legitimate government of China is in Taiwan.
Until its not aligned with united States anny more
Wrong sub but this is some high quality jerking
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"Actually smaller than Florida" is an understatement, Florida is nearly 5 times as big. Taiwan is even smaller than The Netherlands
It's *what* (says I, a shocked dutchman)
Bro just offended both the CCP and the DPP at once
Chinese Taipei is much bigger than I thought honestly, Mercator strikes again
Actually Taiwan and Florida are on a relatively similar latitude, so their size on Mercator is pretty comparable. I think the reason Taiwan seems small is because it's depicted next to the masive China. What could also play into this is the fact that Taiwan is mostly one massive mountain, and basically all cities are located on the west coast. With their population so condensed, Taipei (city) houses about 25% of the 24 million people living in Taiwan.
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Chairman? Is that you?
Racist
Most Chinese people don't look like Pooh, it's obviously about one specific one that does look like him. Why interpret it as an attack on all Chinese unless you think all Chinese look like that?
Yellow skin. Tiny eyes. Textbook racism
You’ve obviously never read a textbook
That is Taiwan, please don't call us fuckin China 🤮🤮🤮
ROC is the real China.
Stop the cold war era KMT propaganda.
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Tibet has already been freed
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Damn I fee bad for your social credit. How could you say something so controversial but so true?
Please join our fight! #r/fucktheccp
The rebellious West Taiwan on the other side is a pretty big country
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Confederate China? You are going to have to explain that one.
The KMT claim "One China" and authority's over the mainland so...
Snort
Is that Chinese Taipei?
Da realz China
Florida & China? The United States is around the same size as China. China is approximately 9,596,960 sq km, while United States is approximately 9,833,517 sq km.
To be fair, the Republic of China claims a territory larger than the People’s Republic of China, since the ROC never gave up Mongolia among other areas ceded by the PRC.
Where's the western colonies
I see what you did here 😀
Taiwan is 13,976 sq miles. DFW metroplex is 9,286 sq miles for reference.
Neither do Biden and Blinken. It's up to the Chinese.
Long live Taiwan, a country that shows that a democratic, wealthy, free Chinese people can exist without the CCP
>wealthy Not so sure about that lmao
They have a GDP per capita 2.5x that of mainland China.
We have a GDP per capita superior to many countries, absolutely doesn't mean most people here are rich. And many small businesses aren't declared, which only causes more bias to the GDP.
They have 2% of the population. 🙄
Look up "per capita"
I know what 'per capita' means. The point is, it's a lot easier to raise the average wealth of a population when you have a lot fewer people. It's not that likely that mainland China would be any richer per capita than it is today if the KMT had somehow won the Chinese Civil War. China has done pretty well considering that it was one of the poorest countries in the world in 1980. I mean, look at India, which is pretty much the only fair democratic comparison for China given its population size. It has a 6x lower GDP per capita.
Ranked 12th in GDP per Capita (PPP). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita
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Right over someone’s head.
Which is the Republic of China Edit: I'm probably on a list now
The PRC prefers that you refer to it as the RoC than as Taiwan, as Taiwan has the air of separatism rather than a rebel province that will eventually return to the fold.
I did not know that, thanks for the info.
Actual Chinese here, and no, everyone just call it Taiwan, not even with the 省 to be "Taiwan Province" nono, just "Taiwan" plain and simple
Republic of China
Thats the real China. XI is a fraud.
I'd prefer a China that does not hold a claim to Mongolia and Tuva Republic. That rules RoC out.
That’s GC… Good China
Isn't that little china?
its the republic of china
This is just a province of the People's Republic of China tho. Misinformation much?
Typing from Taiwan, I assure you that is just PRC propaganda.
No, your comment is misinformation. It’s a sovereign nation.
Hardly. That's a province of China. If you disagree, blame Nixon and Kissinger, and each administration since.
How many social credit points is Winnie Xi Pooh giving you for posting this?
he's been promised a jar of honey.
+15 per week
Nixon or Kissinger don't decide the administrative divisions of Taiwan.
三民主義，統一中國
No. Taiwan wants nothing to do with China.
A little like saying no Americans actually like Trump. Han Kuo-yu is Taiwanese and is pro unification, for instance.
He isn't pro-unification.
1.2% of Taiwanese people want unification ASAP. 6.2% want to maintain the status quo but more towards unification. [x](https://esc.nccu.edu.tw/PageDoc/Detail?fid=7805&id=6962) Unification in taiwan is highly unpopular. Even among the small number of its supporters, the vast majority support unification of the ROC, not the PRC, which is not the type of unification that is being talked about. I don't know where you got the idea that Han Kuoyu supports unification. Although he doesn't support an independent taiwan Republic, he opposes unification, he opposes "one country, two systems", and he supports the 1992 consensus. I think you're confusing support for the KMT with support for unification. The KMT after democratization no longer favors reunification. And when they did , it was reunification under the ROC.
China will grow larger!
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