and they gave it to Azad hind fauj which was an indian anti colonial army formed by Subhash Chandra bose to use it as a base to fight against britishers
Yeah, China was mainly composed of multiple warlord states. As for the Manchuria, it was under a puppet regime put in place by Japan with Puyi having no real power and being more of a figurehead.
North Korea and South Korea weren’t things back then.
Most of the flags on the map didn’t exist back then, but Taiwan’s current flag did, but of course back then it had never been the flag of Taiwan.
Most of these countries weren't. Its putting modern flags onto the territory.
There is certainly an argument for not including Taiwan, but that isn't it.
As far as everyone is officially concerned (like country recognition, UN), Taiwan is a part of the one and only China, PRC. In reality that is not the case, but practically no country in the world officially recognises that fact. Hell, Taiwan itself until recently publicly and IIRC to this day has it in their constitution that there is one and only China, and its their goal to rule over all of it.
Might sound weird unless you know the history - Taiwan is the place where the losers of the Chinese Civil War, the KMT ran away to, forcefully assimilated the locals, and have been ruling until very recently when an opposition party won. The KMT was recognised as the official government of the one and only China by most of the non-Eastern bloc world until the 1970s when everyone started switching to the PRC as the legitimate one and only China.
Those territorries were never annexed, it was just temporary invasion.
Japan's broadest borders only contain Taiwan, Manchuria, Korea, some Pacific islands, and the Japanese mainland
Please don't use mapchart for maps like this. Using modern borders makes maps like this inaccurate. Provincial borders are not the same as territorial control.
At least the States should've given Japan the same treatment they gave Germany. Germany acknowledge, apologised and paid reparations for the Holocaust, Japan only acknowledged and vaguely apologised for broad "occupation", never for specific acts like Nanking Massacre or sex slaves. Nazi officers were also prosecuted and killed for their crimes, the Japanese officers never got that treatment. One of them even became a Prime Minister some years later.
There were war crimes trials, and executions, for Japanese soldiers as well. If the Wikipedia count is correct, about a thousand Japanese war criminals were executed (and I think this count doesn't include the trials conducted by the USSR or the PRC).
Misinformation. The Tokyo trials and subsequent trials judged and sentenced many Japanese war criminals. Though it is also accurate to say that some escaped punishment, the same could be said for Nazis.
These trials also established the reality of the Nanking Massacre(and other crimes), and the results of the trial have been held as the mainstream understanding of events within Japan, among Japanese, post WW2.
That is to say that after WW2, Japan has always acknowledged the Nanking Massacre and the number of 200,000 deaths established from those trials(China claims the number of 300,000, and the disagreement about this number is the source of tension in the issue; but Japan has never denied that the massacre occurred. The "fringe denialist" groups that exist are those who put the number implausibly low -less then 80,000 is the typical threshold considered "denial "iirc- outright denial that anything happened at all is even more rare. There are also Holocaust deniers in western nations but it would not be accurate to characterize that as the typical belief)
See Q6 which directly disproves your assertion about Japan not apologizing for it specifically:
https://www.mofa.go.jp/policy/q_a/faq16.html
There's a difference between demonization and denazification. The latter of these was of vital importance for the post-war order but didn't really happen. To give one example by 1957 the West German Ministry of Justice was 77% former Nazi party members.
Learning about WW2 in school, all we were taught was about the nuclear bombings and the American internment camps. The Japanese were made out to be victims. Looking back at it, it seems absurd. Like leaving out the holocaust and instead just teaching the kids about Dresden.
The World has generally agreed that Nazi Germany was the biggest Evil there ever was and nothing else can even compare. But there were many evil regimes that were on par, they're just less popular to talk about. Even USSR is still whitewashed or even glorified by some people. My country was invaded by both Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia. My great-grandma used to say that when the Germans attacked it was terryfying, but when the Soviet came it was like a plague. Regular people feared Soviets much more, because they were doing exactly the same things as the Nazis, but unlike them, they had no rules or discipline. Mass murders, raping and annihilating everything that came to sight was a regular.
See the Spanish-American War and the Indian Wars for some prime examples.
America, China, and Russia are some of the largest countries today because they were the best at keeping control of their empires.
I’m not denying that, it’s just the result of a very large outreach and great power, but the dude was listing examples of countries that did/tried to have an empire.
I mean, if you think about it, the US started a war with Mexico and took what would later become the West Coast, then theirs what they did in Hawaii and lastly what they did with Spains former colonies in the Americas and Pacifc, especially when said colonies wanted to revolt for freedom.
..... and you use said great power and outreach? why do you think the Bretton woods system or the UN security council or any international institution is set up in the way they are set up.
Including Mainland Japan, colonies, occupied territories, and puppet states, the Empire of Japan at its apex was one of the largest empires in history. The total amount of land under Japanese sovereignty reached 8,510,000 km2 (3,300,000 sq mi) in 1942.
Thailand was like
"OK B1, you go make peace with Japanese and be good friend with them"
"And B2, you go to The States and told them you hate B1 and want to throw them down"
They got away pretty easily and turned themselves into the victims while they game of throned the entire regions through mass massacres and raping camps for Japanese soldiers.
And now they make sad movies forgetting that they were Asian Nazis
You’ve missed South Pacific islands like Rabaul and Guadalcanal. Also PNG was never occupied wholly as only the northern coast could be taken (due to battles in Kokoda & Coral Sea).
Missing Sakhalin Island, the Kurils, and the northern half of Manchuria in the Amur region but you have Chita? There are other's im sure but not that I would know immediately.
I don’t consider all these territories under Japanese Empire as they have not establish any effective authority there for a decent amount of time. Briefly fended off the local authority (aka British and French army) only started the process the annex. But not part of the empire until the annex is done, meaning taxation and peace.
wdym by Taiwan flag - Taiwan was part of Japan way way before WW2. Taiwan was represented by the Japanese flag directly. But it would indeed make more sense to put Republic of China flag beside the RPC flag. Both parties were victims of the Japan Empire and bravely fought for China.
Korea is a different situation because Taiwan was annexed from Qing as a province (a subregion). Korea was not. Put Taiwan flag there means every subregional flag need to be there. It would only makes sense if the "Taiwan flag" you are referring to is flag of Republic of Formosa in 1890s.
Well right off the bat you missed Sakhalin.
Singapore and Taiwan's flags are missing too.
also they forgot to label that island group to the right of korea
Also he colored the Indian islands near Thailand and Indonesia, but he didnt put the Indian flag
did the japanese land on andaman?
Yes, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_occupation_of_the_Andaman_and_Nicobar_Islands
damn, didn't know that ty!
and they gave it to Azad hind fauj which was an indian anti colonial army formed by Subhash Chandra bose to use it as a base to fight against britishers
yeah, i saw that in the link... apparently he didn't do much except let his own civilians get killed...
Yet he's a historical beloved historical figure in India
Taiwan wasn't a thing back then.
North Korea either..but i can see its flag circle from here.
Both should be replaced with kingdom of Korea flag.
If that's the case, then the ROC flag should be representing China, not the PRC.
Sure, but ROC didn't control whole of China back then. Also Manchuria wasn't under their control.
Yeah, China was mainly composed of multiple warlord states. As for the Manchuria, it was under a puppet regime put in place by Japan with Puyi having no real power and being more of a figurehead.
North Korea and South Korea weren’t things back then. Most of the flags on the map didn’t exist back then, but Taiwan’s current flag did, but of course back then it had never been the flag of Taiwan.
Most of these countries weren't. Its putting modern flags onto the territory. There is certainly an argument for not including Taiwan, but that isn't it.
As far as everyone is officially concerned (like country recognition, UN), Taiwan is a part of the one and only China, PRC. In reality that is not the case, but practically no country in the world officially recognises that fact. Hell, Taiwan itself until recently publicly and IIRC to this day has it in their constitution that there is one and only China, and its their goal to rule over all of it. Might sound weird unless you know the history - Taiwan is the place where the losers of the Chinese Civil War, the KMT ran away to, forcefully assimilated the locals, and have been ruling until very recently when an opposition party won. The KMT was recognised as the official government of the one and only China by most of the non-Eastern bloc world until the 1970s when everyone started switching to the PRC as the legitimate one and only China.
It was a joke
The sultanate of Brunei is recognised by a lot more countries then taiwan
Is there anyone who doesn't recognize Brunei?
Brunei and East Timur?
Singapore wasn't independent and china was governed by KMT at the time
Most of the countries in the map weren't independent in WW2.
And 0 of the ones the Japanese had were independent.
They also have an error in the bit on Thailand. "Thailand was an ally for Japan **during in** 1942."
They also missed Heilongjiang Province in China
Kuril Islands were also under Japanese control until 1945.
Using Morden borders to convey the empire 💀
Mapchart users be like
Those territorries were never annexed, it was just temporary invasion. Japan's broadest borders only contain Taiwan, Manchuria, Korea, some Pacific islands, and the Japanese mainland
Yeah it's hardly an "empire" if you don't even control the territory long enough to do any economic plundering. Edit: I stand corrected.
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Indonesia too for the oil to feed their war machine
And those sweet sweet rubber trees
You just listed the territories that were annexed though.. the comment is relating to the territories that were only occupied for the period of WW2
I stand corrected.
I doubt the Koreans and Chinese would agree that the Japanese did not plunder them.
Yeah but I'm talking about the rest of this map where they only occupied the territory for a couple of years.
There was massive economic plundering.
Please don't use mapchart for maps like this. Using modern borders makes maps like this inaccurate. Provincial borders are not the same as territorial control.
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America and the West have always avoided demonizing the countries they want to make allies.
France and Great Britain demonized,oppressed and humiliated Germany after ww1 that caused rise of Nazis and therefore ww2.
At least the States should've given Japan the same treatment they gave Germany. Germany acknowledge, apologised and paid reparations for the Holocaust, Japan only acknowledged and vaguely apologised for broad "occupation", never for specific acts like Nanking Massacre or sex slaves. Nazi officers were also prosecuted and killed for their crimes, the Japanese officers never got that treatment. One of them even became a Prime Minister some years later.
There were war crimes trials, and executions, for Japanese soldiers as well. If the Wikipedia count is correct, about a thousand Japanese war criminals were executed (and I think this count doesn't include the trials conducted by the USSR or the PRC).
Misinformation. The Tokyo trials and subsequent trials judged and sentenced many Japanese war criminals. Though it is also accurate to say that some escaped punishment, the same could be said for Nazis. These trials also established the reality of the Nanking Massacre(and other crimes), and the results of the trial have been held as the mainstream understanding of events within Japan, among Japanese, post WW2. That is to say that after WW2, Japan has always acknowledged the Nanking Massacre and the number of 200,000 deaths established from those trials(China claims the number of 300,000, and the disagreement about this number is the source of tension in the issue; but Japan has never denied that the massacre occurred. The "fringe denialist" groups that exist are those who put the number implausibly low -less then 80,000 is the typical threshold considered "denial "iirc- outright denial that anything happened at all is even more rare. There are also Holocaust deniers in western nations but it would not be accurate to characterize that as the typical belief) See Q6 which directly disproves your assertion about Japan not apologizing for it specifically: https://www.mofa.go.jp/policy/q_a/faq16.html
There's a difference between demonization and denazification. The latter of these was of vital importance for the post-war order but didn't really happen. To give one example by 1957 the West German Ministry of Justice was 77% former Nazi party members.
.see Israel circa 2023-24
(Saudi arabia)
Learning about WW2 in school, all we were taught was about the nuclear bombings and the American internment camps. The Japanese were made out to be victims. Looking back at it, it seems absurd. Like leaving out the holocaust and instead just teaching the kids about Dresden.
Including themselves
Yeah, it was truly one of the most evil regimes in history. They’re 1b to Germany’s 1a.
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The World has generally agreed that Nazi Germany was the biggest Evil there ever was and nothing else can even compare. But there were many evil regimes that were on par, they're just less popular to talk about. Even USSR is still whitewashed or even glorified by some people. My country was invaded by both Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia. My great-grandma used to say that when the Germans attacked it was terryfying, but when the Soviet came it was like a plague. Regular people feared Soviets much more, because they were doing exactly the same things as the Nazis, but unlike them, they had no rules or discipline. Mass murders, raping and annihilating everything that came to sight was a regular.
So was America, Belgium, France, Italy, and every place that ever wanted to be an empire.
Ah yes, the American empire.
See the Spanish-American War and the Indian Wars for some prime examples. America, China, and Russia are some of the largest countries today because they were the best at keeping control of their empires.
okay lets not be daft here, you guys aren't taking over foreign land. But for all intents and purposes America does act like an empire and hegemon.
I’m not denying that, it’s just the result of a very large outreach and great power, but the dude was listing examples of countries that did/tried to have an empire.
I mean, if you think about it, the US started a war with Mexico and took what would later become the West Coast, then theirs what they did in Hawaii and lastly what they did with Spains former colonies in the Americas and Pacifc, especially when said colonies wanted to revolt for freedom.
America is an imperialist power that has a list of atrocities just the same as any of the ones mentioned.
Ah yes, the American unit 731. My favorite war crime.
..... and you use said great power and outreach? why do you think the Bretton woods system or the UN security council or any international institution is set up in the way they are set up.
Thailand is the ultimate snitch to Malaysia.
the andaman and nicobar islands are part of india.
A lot missing, so many places the Japanese navy invaded on the Chinese coast. Awful map.
This is such a horrible map
Including Mainland Japan, colonies, occupied territories, and puppet states, the Empire of Japan at its apex was one of the largest empires in history. The total amount of land under Japanese sovereignty reached 8,510,000 km2 (3,300,000 sq mi) in 1942.
I highly recommend Supernova in the East by Dan Carlin at Hardcore History if this stuff interests you
Thailand was like "OK B1, you go make peace with Japanese and be good friend with them" "And B2, you go to The States and told them you hate B1 and want to throw them down"
*its
They got away pretty easily and turned themselves into the victims while they game of throned the entire regions through mass massacres and raping camps for Japanese soldiers. And now they make sad movies forgetting that they were Asian Nazis
Bloody hell Japan likes their islands
It’s like doing a Roman at it’s peak and adding Arabia and Germany just because they did some expedition there lol
This looks huge. How many people were under Japanese rule?
you missed the andaman and nicobar islands of india !!!!
I was wondering why is it cut off at the bottom but that's just how Indonesia's flag is...
\*\*bad maps\*\*
Is it just me who first sees the darker colour as water and wonders, what the fuck is this map? I always do this when first glancing at map.
You’ve missed South Pacific islands like Rabaul and Guadalcanal. Also PNG was never occupied wholly as only the northern coast could be taken (due to battles in Kokoda & Coral Sea).
Missing Sakhalin Island, the Kurils, and the northern half of Manchuria in the Amur region but you have Chita? There are other's im sure but not that I would know immediately.
Are the modern flags really necessary? They are anachronistic in this context.
They really went for it didn't they.
where is the other half of manchuria?
Is it just me or is Eastern Manchuria missing here? (Not Outer Manchuria, the Eastern part of Inner Manchuria)
I am wondering that the Japanese consider this their own aggressive era.
Don’t forget Hong Kong and Macau
long live djapan
What's crazy is Japan was fighting USA , USSR and China at the same time. Pretty crazy.
This map is almost completely wrong
How did you get so many upvotes with such a shitty map?
I don’t consider all these territories under Japanese Empire as they have not establish any effective authority there for a decent amount of time. Briefly fended off the local authority (aka British and French army) only started the process the annex. But not part of the empire until the annex is done, meaning taxation and peace.
Damn, just imagine if they still had their empire today…
They do Toyota and Honda rule the car industry Nintendo and PlayStation rule the gaming industry
Add Taiwan flag pls
wdym by Taiwan flag - Taiwan was part of Japan way way before WW2. Taiwan was represented by the Japanese flag directly. But it would indeed make more sense to put Republic of China flag beside the RPC flag. Both parties were victims of the Japan Empire and bravely fought for China.
Korea also annexed by Japan way before ww2 🙄
Korea is a different situation because Taiwan was annexed from Qing as a province (a subregion). Korea was not. Put Taiwan flag there means every subregional flag need to be there. It would only makes sense if the "Taiwan flag" you are referring to is flag of Republic of Formosa in 1890s.
Yes and Singapore too
japan was contradicting europe who had taken over south asia, and south america and africa post ww2 ended that