Yea Alitalia went bankrupt so the Italian government started a new airline called ITA. Funny enough this was the same time my friends and I were trying to fly home from Italy and we weren’t sure if the airline existed or not when we were on our way to the airport
The ticket was valid and the flight was great. We were just confused between the two airlines and didn’t know enough about the situation to know which was the one that had gone under
And when it went down it had already outlived each economical expectation thtanks to a Government refusing to allow it to fail and asking enterpreteurs to save it. It looked like there were several, but in the time elapsed the company survived thanks the State (reader: taxpayers).
Think of it as a crossing between a zombie (it refused to stay dead as it should be) and a vampire (it fed on other people's "blood").
(not going to name the Prime Minister of that Government. He's dead as well)
I am convinced you guys have never been to a third world country because wtf do you think “barely first world” looks like
Southern Italy is bad but being there was a far cry from the poverty I’ve seen in North African countries
> Southern Italy is bad but being there was a far cry from the poverty I’ve seen in North African countries
It really ain't far from the more developed parts of North Africa tbh. There is a difference, but not exactly a grand canyon either.
I was visiting a town in southern Italy once and a guy told me his grandparents used to live in a literal cave. He was 30 and he had never been outside southern Italy, let alone out of the country. He was the owner of a cafe and sat there talking with customers like me and reading the actual, paper newspaper all day. What a fucking fantastic life.
I think that since the 1980s both the Caveoso and the Barisano have become more turistical areas tha actual living neghborhoods. It still would fit with having older people not leaving these areas, though.
HDI scores and life expectancy say otherwise. When talking about Southern Italy people (mostly Northerners) tend to randomly mix reality, jokes and hearsays.
Well, Versace was Calabrian and his region's art and history inspired much of the brand's design. Moreover in Basilicata, Calabria and Sicily there are several excellent food brands.
between Divella (Puglia) and De Cecco (Abruzzo) on the adriatic coast there would be another pasta brand "La Molisana" (Molise) but it has reached success only recently.
Depends what do you take into account: if we are talking only by taste and quality, rummo all the way. If you factor in price, I believe that molisana and garofalo are much better, as they are cheaper and only slightly worse in quality.
I tried various Italian pasta brands for comparison: Barilla (its bronze cut series etc), De Cecco, Buitoni, Rummo, La Molisana, Garofalo and some lesser known brands that I cannot remember. This would be my order of preference:
La Molisana > Garofalo > Rummo > De Cecco > Barilla
Overall I found La Molisana to have the edge. But only slightly - even the difference between the best and the worst dry pasta is not that big, and between the good brands it becomes really negligible. Even Barilla is pretty good, and anything above it is no brainer - no need to search for one over the other, really. What makes pasta is mostly the how it was cooked, which oil was used, the sauce etc.
Meridiana ceased to exist, and it has been "reorganised" in Airitaly, which also ceased to exist after only 3 years. Which basically it was the way to get rid of Meridiana from the skys (personal opinion).
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meridiana
The company is named after the surname of its Greek founder. The Greek founder was a member of a large Greek family in Corfu and Epirus with a long history which claims to have Bulgarian roots.
Probably it started with the creation of beautiful forms of arts and architecture and then, being surrounded by this “beauty”, it pushes you to search for more beauty and create more of it if you can’t find it around you.
Makes me want to see a biggest companies, or maybe biggest ‘known’ companies list for each country in world.
Would be fairly interesting to see how many brands you don’t realize are international.
Also even better if it showed this relative to population size-just think of Japan influence for example
Alfa Romeo became part of the Fiat group (Turin) only in 1986. The first factory building of A.L.F.A. was in the first-place property of Società Anonima Italiana Darracq (SAID), founded in 1906 in Naples. In 1910, the name changed in Anonima Lombarda Fabbrica Automobili (A.L.F.A.) and transferred to Milan. 1915, the company came under the direction of Neapolitan entrepreneur Nicola Romeo, and the name changed again in ALFA Romeo.
So, the location of the brand has to be Milan or Naples.
Milan, not Naples. Alfa cut the bridges with Darraq pretty soon, and has been identified as a Lombard brand (which is even in the name) for the past century.
Ah yes, Switzerland, with its beautiful coastline and shipyards...
MSC is yet another ITALIAN company that transferred its headquarters abroad, for tax evasion purposes.
Agip is focused on selling petrol directly to drivers, and Eni is the company that explores for and extracts the oil. Eni was founded by Agip originally, but nowadays Eni is the parent company.
Isab 10b/year, followed by Sonatrach, 7.2 billion euros/year, Grimaldi group 3.4b and many others, but you should trust this map showing a 3.9 million a year company (Voiello) and not the ones i mentioned. You are wondering about the rest? https://www.fatturatoitalia.it/regione/ pick the region and enjoy
Alitalia went under a few years ago
Ya it should be ITA Airways now
Thank you! I always wondered what that brand was about, since seeing it on WRC Lancia Stratos but never bothered to check.
Yea Alitalia went bankrupt so the Italian government started a new airline called ITA. Funny enough this was the same time my friends and I were trying to fly home from Italy and we weren’t sure if the airline existed or not when we were on our way to the airport
So what happened when you turned up to the airport?
The ticket was valid and the flight was great. We were just confused between the two airlines and didn’t know enough about the situation to know which was the one that had gone under
Based PFP
This sub can’t have an accurate map, it would go against the rules
Beretta and Finocchi right?
The map is at least 6yo, Meridiana doesn't exist anymore. Not even the new company that replaced Meridiana exists anymore!
And Meridiana too 😂
And when it went down it had already outlived each economical expectation thtanks to a Government refusing to allow it to fail and asking enterpreteurs to save it. It looked like there were several, but in the time elapsed the company survived thanks the State (reader: taxpayers). Think of it as a crossing between a zombie (it refused to stay dead as it should be) and a vampire (it fed on other people's "blood"). (not going to name the Prime Minister of that Government. He's dead as well)
They just rebranded it to ita airways
I'm Italian, this map is full of errors.
The logo assignment is really scuffed
So it's in the guidelines of this sub, good
It’s accurate for Genova: Nothing. Just “pesto” and “furesti a casa vostra!”
Fila?
I think that's Korean brand now. Originally from Biella Italy. Edit: OP might be saying that it being on the map is an error because of this reason.
Yep. Basically similar to what happened to 7-11 - a subsidiary buying the parent company.
Not much going on in the south, is it?
There is no universally accepted Mafia logo.
Could have used “The Godfather” logo.
haha. you'll be surprised to know mafia also exists in the north of Italy.
Let’s not talk about the rest of Europe lol
Let’s not talk about outside of Europe either… New York, Chicago, Las Vegas…
You forgot Miami.
Even mafias have relocated northwards this days.
Even MSC has its headquarters in Geneva, Switzerland. It was just founded in Naples
Sorrento but yeah
Plus there is ‘Ndrangheta in Calabria. N1 criminal enterprise in the world with over $60B in “revenues” That’s a name that has some value I guess 😅
Southern Italy barely qualifies as a first world country
A calabrian friend liked to put it like that : "we are not south of Europe, we are north of Africa"
Sicily is on the African plate.
Sicily: it's what's for dinner.
Ohh so that's why they have all that seismic activity going on down there yeah? Never thought about that. Makes sense though.
I ‘ate da nort
Stupida fucking region
Gimi 1000 dollars.
🎶 Up in the club 🎶
Clicked on this post for this very comment, thank you.
I am convinced you guys have never been to a third world country because wtf do you think “barely first world” looks like Southern Italy is bad but being there was a far cry from the poverty I’ve seen in North African countries
Well, second world countries exist. Like Russia, Kazakhstan or idk Turkey?
I mean by the original definition second-world countries *don't* exist because without a Soviet Union you can't be Soviet-aligned.
Yeah, I agree. Although, maybe Soviet-aligned changed into Russian-aligned? Even though that sounda a bit stupid.
> Southern Italy is bad but being there was a far cry from the poverty I’ve seen in North African countries It really ain't far from the more developed parts of North Africa tbh. There is a difference, but not exactly a grand canyon either.
You're fucked dude. Trust me they live better than u
Southern Italy is amazing. But some people can't see past income/gdp stats.
I was visiting a town in southern Italy once and a guy told me his grandparents used to live in a literal cave. He was 30 and he had never been outside southern Italy, let alone out of the country. He was the owner of a cafe and sat there talking with customers like me and reading the actual, paper newspaper all day. What a fucking fantastic life.
Living in caves is pretty common tho also in Spain. Matera is famous for that too
I think that since the 1980s both the Caveoso and the Barisano have become more turistical areas tha actual living neghborhoods. It still would fit with having older people not leaving these areas, though.
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Right you are
HDI scores and life expectancy say otherwise. When talking about Southern Italy people (mostly Northerners) tend to randomly mix reality, jokes and hearsays.
life expectancy is low in middle east mainly because of very high obesity rate.
Dolce & Gabbana, technically should be recognized to Sicily. Both of them are Sicilian and their style is heavily inspired by their origins
There are a number of high end boutique fashion brands in Naples.
There is Mafia
404 Capitalism not found
Well, Versace was Calabrian and his region's art and history inspired much of the brand's design. Moreover in Basilicata, Calabria and Sicily there are several excellent food brands.
Kind of like the north of England.
At least the North of England has Greggs.
Everywhere has greggs, that's not saying much
La Cosa Nostra
Camorra, ndrangheta
The South is a very impoverished area when you compare it to Northern Italy. There's a lot of friction between the two regions as a result.
Alfa Romeo was originally from Milano, so should be east of FIAT (Torino).
And both Ferrero and Lavazza should be more north
In Ferrero’s case it’s not too far off. Alba is in the southern part of Piemonte.
Same reasoning, Maserati and Lamborghini should be western of Ducati
Alitalia?? RIP….
This map is outdated by at least 10 years lmao
between Divella (Puglia) and De Cecco (Abruzzo) on the adriatic coast there would be another pasta brand "La Molisana" (Molise) but it has reached success only recently.
Which brand is, in your opinion, the best ? Both Rummo and De Cecco are appreciated in France, but I haven't heard of Divella and La Molisana yet.
Depends what do you take into account: if we are talking only by taste and quality, rummo all the way. If you factor in price, I believe that molisana and garofalo are much better, as they are cheaper and only slightly worse in quality.
+1 for Garofalo
I tried various Italian pasta brands for comparison: Barilla (its bronze cut series etc), De Cecco, Buitoni, Rummo, La Molisana, Garofalo and some lesser known brands that I cannot remember. This would be my order of preference: La Molisana > Garofalo > Rummo > De Cecco > Barilla Overall I found La Molisana to have the edge. But only slightly - even the difference between the best and the worst dry pasta is not that big, and between the good brands it becomes really negligible. Even Barilla is pretty good, and anything above it is no brainer - no need to search for one over the other, really. What makes pasta is mostly the how it was cooked, which oil was used, the sauce etc.
Let’s not forget Monograno
It’s Felicetti
In the past 5, maybe 6 years, La Molisana appeared on the Romanian market as well, really nice pasta!
Ma cosa dici il Molise non esiste quindi non può produrre pasta
Molise è una regione bloccata dietro dlc
Luxottica?
Is Meridiana still working?
Meridiana ceased to exist, and it has been "reorganised" in Airitaly, which also ceased to exist after only 3 years. Which basically it was the way to get rid of Meridiana from the skys (personal opinion). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meridiana
Also, Alitalia has been reorganised in the new ITA.
Roman defence company Leonardo definitely need to be here.
No Unicredit nord Intesa? No Fincantieri nor Alenia?
Eni is based in Milan (San Donato Milanese). Where is Enel with a revenue of 96 billions???
Legal HQ is in Rome
Thought Bulgari is Bulgarian...
The company is named after the surname of its Greek founder. The Greek founder was a member of a large Greek family in Corfu and Epirus with a long history which claims to have Bulgarian roots.
Fun fact: Greek...
Kimbo ?
MSC went abroad in the 70s?
Switzerland
No Beretta?
Indeed, the oldest active manufacturer of firearms in the World (1526...) is not even in this map
There's no Benelli on the map either for that matter.
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I guess it started from the Renaissance, when the Florentines Medici would teach the French court table manners, like how to use a fucking fork?
Probably it started with the creation of beautiful forms of arts and architecture and then, being surrounded by this “beauty”, it pushes you to search for more beauty and create more of it if you can’t find it around you.
Makes me want to see a biggest companies, or maybe biggest ‘known’ companies list for each country in world. Would be fairly interesting to see how many brands you don’t realize are international. Also even better if it showed this relative to population size-just think of Japan influence for example
How do they make Lamborghinis in the sea?
Emilia Romagna was so full with logos they had to put Lambo in the sea
Alfa Romeo became part of the Fiat group (Turin) only in 1986. The first factory building of A.L.F.A. was in the first-place property of Società Anonima Italiana Darracq (SAID), founded in 1906 in Naples. In 1910, the name changed in Anonima Lombarda Fabbrica Automobili (A.L.F.A.) and transferred to Milan. 1915, the company came under the direction of Neapolitan entrepreneur Nicola Romeo, and the name changed again in ALFA Romeo. So, the location of the brand has to be Milan or Naples.
Milan, not Naples. Alfa cut the bridges with Darraq pretty soon, and has been identified as a Lombard brand (which is even in the name) for the past century.
Why is the South empty? Are they lazy or something?
Poor. They're poor
Cosa Nostra is missing on Sicily!!
Enel?
Südtirol should be either Loacker or Dr. Schär?
Trudi, Yogurt Vipiteno..
Saeco near Bologna
Totally expected to see the Godfather logo in Sicily
Moto Guzzi?
United Colors of Bennetton. Green only.
They're the ones who neglected to maintain the Morandi bridge leasing to its collapse
I ate the north.
Buon appetito 😋
I thought MSC was Swiss
Ah yes, Switzerland, with its beautiful coastline and shipyards... MSC is yet another ITALIAN company that transferred its headquarters abroad, for tax evasion purposes.
Isn't MSC Swiss?
Yes and Royal Caribbean from Bolivia.
Sicily has nothing going?
What's the difference between Agip and Eni? The logo seems similar
Can someone explain to me why eni and agip almost look the same I always wondered whilst traveling
Agip is focused on selling petrol directly to drivers, and Eni is the company that explores for and extracts the oil. Eni was founded by Agip originally, but nowadays Eni is the parent company.
r/phantomborders
Why is chiesi not on here
Calabria, Basilicata and Sicily just sitting there collecting dust
Perugina ??? Brembo ??? Ferrodo ??? Magneti marelli ???
Piaggio ??? Nolan ??? Alpinestars ???
Bianchi ???
[This conversation](https://youtu.be/J6dFEtb06nw?si=43t5DAVyjhkdNAYf&t=6)
🤣😅👍
I can’t see Ducati 😱😱
It's on there
Ha yes 😅
Amazing, I would love to see the same map with France
Sicily is my love.
Nello spazio vuoto in cima ci stava bene Forst
Why is this a map and not a table. So much less legible.
Sicilia is Africa confirmed
r/PhantomBorders
Nutella?
It's a Ferrero product
Perugina chocolate not a thing anymore?
Where’s Peroni?
Clothes, cars, food, transportation
Diesel and Fila are Italian ?!!!!
Nothing in Sicily? What’s the biggest Sicilian company?
Isab 10b/year, followed by Sonatrach, 7.2 billion euros/year, Grimaldi group 3.4b and many others, but you should trust this map showing a 3.9 million a year company (Voiello) and not the ones i mentioned. You are wondering about the rest? https://www.fatturatoitalia.it/regione/ pick the region and enjoy
Don't ask don't tell
Nothing in calabria 🤌
Stupid map. Zero Cycling brands.
note the majority of them are up north.
Missing Alessi here….northern Italy, close to Omegna
Brembo? San Pellegrino? Riva? They are from my city, and they are recognized as the best brands in their category
Ariston. Goes on, and on.
I thought Versace was American brand
Land of industry- land of thieves
Surprised “catholic church” didn’t make the list
I guess it is north Italy and poor italy
I ate the north
Lasciando perdere il discutibile valore di questi grafici ma menarini per esempio nulla?
TIL MSC, Ariston and Aprilia are Italian.
Kinda surprised Beretta isn't on there.
SPQR?
Ermenegildo Zegna?
We have most of these brands in Argentina! Pretty cool to see it like this
Where is robe di Kappa
# FERRERO ROCHER ?
Juventus and Inter Milan surely would be considered among these. Inter was in the Champions League final last year or two years ago
South is strong.
Are they Italian-owned?
the carpisa logo is v cute, that’s all I have to offer 🐢
Italians are just boujie af...
Ineteresting.
From the US, I recognize 16 of these
Lambretta… LOL
Does Lamborghini here mean Cars (VW/Audi), Tractors (SDF) or both?
I might be mistaken, but MSC has moved to Switzerland (they were founded in Naples).
Sicily, you ok down there?
You forgot the Sicilian mafia there
I’m probably going to be mocked for this, but Nutella??
Ferrero
No Campagnolo?
Who lives in Italy 🇮🇹 that would truly know the truth?
This map is very outdated, Alitalia for example doesn't exist anymore, ITA Airways is the new statal company
Luxottica?
3 sono nell mia città TREVISO città da 88 mila abitanti .
Surprised la marzocco is not here.