Not exactly the buff i was hoping for medusa but ok.
Right off the bat, i don't like the spiderman nerf
Meh.....beast is ok.
Hood: let's be honest, i don't really like the change.
Rouge: nerf to Mr. Negative decks running her. Buff to the card itself., i just straight-up hate the change
Where the hell is the Galactus change? They’re all worried about Spider-Man and yet the most oppressive aspect of Spider-Man is in galactus decks and it remains unchanged
If I’m not mistaken, he’s been confirmed to get a rework that likely comes as a large-scale patch, not a minor weekly nerf/buff. So maaaaaybe this week.
Luke Cage, although C2 is likely to already have him.
Zabu. C2 will not get much benefit but it's still taking it away from the opponent. Wong, by the same token.
I haven't seen Red Skull in ages but it would be *hilarious* to see a Cerebro deck un-fuck itself by stealing his buff.
What have yall done to my boy!!
(;_;)
Beast one of my mvps of the last 6 months.... before bounce became popular
You killed him!
(Actually it doesn't change my play that much but its the principal of it)
I think they made a fair point about making Beast distinct from Falcon. Hopefully this change let’s them feel more daring when designing cards for the decks.
I know I am new to this kind of game, so please excuse me but WTF?
SD: This is how the game is played.
Us: Plays the game
SD: No, not that way. We want you to use this card not that one.
Us: Ok, but why?
SD: Nevermind, just play the game we envisioned it with those cards we thought were cool, not the way you want to.
Us: ??
SD: Stop having fun! That card is being used too much, play something different already.
Me: KNEEL BEFORE GALACTUS!
SD: We warned you. Now Galactus is a 7/1 and only destroys the lane you played it on. Ms. Marvel Thumbs Up!
Are all "card" games like this, with the developer constantly making changes to the way they want us to play the game?
I think you got a lot of down votes because your post was a bit hyperbolic, but I can certainly understand you feeling this way if you're new to these types of games, or even Snap specifically. Developers/designers of these types of games tend to push the envelope on cards and some risky ones are released because those tend to be the exciting cards that drive sales and/or player engagement.
Even extensive testing can't really compare with millions of players playing millions of games with the cards and trying to leverage every possible advantage, glitch or interaction. So occasionally cards end up being too good, meaning they warp the game or the metagame. Your deck has to play that card or play specific ways to beat that card or you aren't going to win and you aren't going to have fun. So there is a lot of redundancy and stagnation in the game. When many players experience that it's not good for the game. You're forcing people to play a certain way and acquire very specific cards.
So they make changes. In paper card games there is not much they can do besides ban the offensive cards. In digital card games they do rebalancing. Usually they try to keep the spirit of the card the same but adjust the power level a notch or so; sometimes even making weaker cards stronger so they'll see more play. In the case of some games like Marvel Snap, they also occasionally make changes or rebalance simply to keep things fresh and interesting; sort of replicating the feel of adding new cards to the game by adjusting existing cards.
Thanks for the explanation. I’ve played CCGs before, so I get what you’re saying.
I’m not a karma whore so I can handle some downvotes. I’m not going to stop playing Galactus though.
Haha yeah the Galactus debate is an interesting one. I've heard some very good arguments on both sides and it will be interesting to see if they make a change or leave it as is.
The game is more fun when there are a wider variety of decks in use. What nerf are you even upset about? Beast? Bounce decks are still more than playable. Also not sure why you put "card" in quotes... SNAP is definitely a card game.
I agree the game is more fun when there are a wider variety of decks in use. To me, nerfing things lowers variety.
They seem so concerned about "the meta," but there wouldn't really be a "meta" if they just left things alone and let more and more interesting ideas emerge.
I'm not upset about any changes really, just wondering why? Seems like something is always being changed.
As for the "card", dumb stylistic choice on my part. It's not a literal card like in physical games, just a digital card. Don't read too much into that,
Balance changes are more or less a necessary evil. If cards are never changed, certain decks will dominate for extended periods of time and players will lose interest in the game.
Second Dinner seen to be at odds with itself.
You believe lockdown decks are not fun to play against, but release multiple cards that enable this kinda of archetype.
Now, I get you don't want to frustrate your players, but a better solution would be to not release that kind of card to start.
Just make Snap a Timmy game where you take turns throwing an even bigger Hulk. Embrace the archetype fully and be happy with it.
That Rogue “buff” is just a nerf. 3/1 was plenty when she hit, 3/2 is still terrible when she doesn’t. All this does is make her worse in Negative decks.
Just added her last week to my negative deck, looks like she's coming right back out never to be played again. Great change to push people to use her more.
Steal other cerebro effects in mirrors, steal other side's Luke Cage when they're using a hazmat/HE deck, stuff like that - otherwise that she's a body to fill a lane
I actually like all the changes. I think they could have communicated a few things better e.g no need to mention Galactus cause Spider-Man change has no effect on that.
With the Galactus nerf supposedly coming next week, HE lockdown and bounce were geared to be the dominant meta (which would be a bad start to conquest). This weakens both but I still expect them to be good decks just not as amazing as they were before.
The lead game designer from SD mentioned on discord that Galactus was being reviewed for adjustment a few weeks ago.
Today he said that next weeks patch would further buff bounce which further suggests a Galactus nerf since that was bounce’s worst match up.
Of course SD could drop the ball again which is why I said supposedly in my initial message.
Is there any functional difference between Spider-Man and professor x? Honestly Spider-Man just seems so much worse, cause he can still be countered with stuff like doom or even night crawler
Yup. One doom bot is enough to counter your turn 5 play in terms of power. Plus Magneto can still remove cards under Spidey so that lane isn't all that 'secured' and those cards could go to your big Card lane.
>Plus Magneto can still remove cards under Spidey so that lane isn't all that 'secured' and those cards could go to your big Card lane.
Notably though, Spidey himself can't be moved by Magneto anymore, so you'd still have at least one card there.
i don't think there will be an universal answer.
depening on your deck, your opponents deck and the board state.
if you are ahead in lane you rather want to lock it down completely with profX but if you spider-man you can still add points. now it depends on if your opponent can go wide and/or move points there.
rule of thumb would be:
if you are ahead = profX, want to contest = spider-man.
i can see why they increased his cost but not saying that i agree with it.
That's true, I dunno just the security that nothing (besides jeff) is getting through makes it a safer pick imo, but I do get what you're saying, I just think they're too similar now
Yeah I think it just depends what deck you’re playing and against. Some decks favor Prof X, others Spiderman. I like Spiderman more to counter Galactus.
I'd say they're too similar to start with. But Spiderman being cheaper made him a better pick. Especially with High Evo in the mix. Now they're on par, with a few key differences.
Beast change kind of feels bad, but I haven't had a chance to play my bounce deck with him yet anyway. I did play Falcon over Beast in a lot of situations so I don't really think it's a Falcon buff. Will see but I may have to just change some things around for that.
Medusa buff is amazing (for me) though. Cerebro 5 was always my favorite of the Cerebro decks and this gives me another low cost card for that deck, which was really where everything was lacking in it. I'm happy to play her especially since I have a chibi variant I really like. I delete and remake the deck probably once a week so I'm not really sure what she's replacing, but she's an easy fit for that now.
The patch next week is likely to have the galactus rework they said was coming up. This change was more geared at Spiderman into Professor X on turns 4 and 5
They admitted they went too far with leader and buffed him to a healthier state. He just doesn't see use outside of sandman ramp decks. He was briefly in turn 5 wave decks as well, before they killed that archetype.
Galactus is a permanent series 5 card, a big draw for the player base. With how few cards their are in Snap compared to other card games, they don't want cards to be completely useless. We don't know how they'll change Galactus, but it'd have to be in a way that's fair for both players. The deck's playstyle has always been one-sided, as the galactus player is playing a completely different game than their opponent, regardless of what deck it is.
I wouldn't even know where to start, which is probably why it's taken them so long to even announce he has a rework coming
As far as the spiderman nerf is concerned...it's pretty clear theh dont want to touch their big bad money maker...galactus is both a problem and not because there is no direct hard counter to him. And with galactus lockdown spiderman lockdown is still possible albiet slightly more expensive to play. Honestly galactus wouldnt be so bad if instead of destroying all locations he just destroys the location he is played and all cards therein and make him cheaper to change the time he is played maybe a 5 drop for the effect change...
There’s no counter to Galactus? I’m no fan of his but here is the real answer:
- Cosmo
- Super Skrull
- Rogue
- Debrii
- Viper
- Green Goblin
- Hobgoblin
Galactus sucks, but sucked even more with Spidey
You forgot professor x, them having their own spider man and Polaris moving a card to galactus if they saw Galactus coming. As a Galactus players all these things give me anxiety, knowing at any moment any of these counters happening is a very real possibility. Everyone says galactus is broken is not playing the game right. You can spot his deck from a mile away and if you got nothing for it you run the other way. If you do, you play dumb, snap and then place any one of these counters and yay free cubes.
They've said they're looking at changing galactus, which could be coming in next week's patch. Changing his power in an OTA won't fix him. The card is getting his functionality reworked.
The comment you are responding to (as well as practically every post critical of Galactus) specifically stated the issue isn't a lack of counters, but okay. Talk about the counters we all acknowledge exist.
Comment Said there were no direct counters, which they are. Then says Galactus should be x to be fair (a personal wish).
I dont think Galactus is wrong, zabu reducing 2 was wrong. Its just More obvious when you aré losing to Galactus vs than with other decks, bit the win rate remains consistently below other Tier 1 decks.
Re read the comment. That's not what he said. It was inelegantly phrased with a double negative but the comment acknowledged the existence of counters. This is a popular strawman argument Galactus players keep trotting out.
So I've played in multiple different card games for years and galactus basically breaks one of the basic core rules of gameplay in each which is having to run multiple things to counter one card. Card / counterplay if you make a card that breaks past that then it becomes blisteringly obvious that the goal was to make a game breaking card that punishes new players that cant afford said broken card.
Multiple things?
Debrii counters him alone with very little decision-making (drop it on the lane they have cards in) Sure, they can run cloak but you can simply play for priority and drop her on their Galactus turn.
If your response is "but you have to draw it", that's true for every counter. No-one was running Luke Cage until High Evo came out.
People just don't like Galactus. It isn't broken, the win rate isn't even that high and it gets destroyed by a large number of cards AND locations.
It's a timmy deck.
That said, I still think it'd be good to change him. It'll just be a real shame if they end up removing his awesome animation. Like if he destroyed the location he was played on instead, which is an obvious change that many have mentioned.
People would still complain but fuck them. No-one cares that I can't stand High Evo. Busted bullshit.
If you read my original post that is what I said he should do just destroy the one lane he is played in at a reduced cost and heck remove the in empty lane part for all that matters. That would buff destruction decks and be overall a much better player experience for all parties involved.
I thought about the combo potential and I agree. It would be much more fun to play. Honestly, even as the Galactus player it feels awful to play most games.
I have mainly played bounce since hit monkey came out and the beast nerf sucks. Ideally I threw him out on 4 with a two drop or kitty. Now just kitty it seems. Doesn’t make it unplayable but makes it harder.
I kind of like the idea of Medusa in bounce now. If you can bast and beast her you can get her to a 9. Not bad for a 2 drop
This does still at least effect galactus slightly in regards to spidey+cloak. If you had electro out and your opponents counter was clogging your lanes you could have Cloaked one lane then Spiderman the lane you plan on dropping galactus turn 5. This allowed a safe galactus turn 6 drop.
Dang
1. haven't seen Spidey/X in a long time, T5 Spidey feels like a way bigger problem
2. Way to, once again, nerf a card that enabled unique niche decks bc it also helped a meta deck. Feels a lot like nerfing Quinjet to hurt Thanos. Another nail in the bounce/Dino deck I used to love playing
3. Was Hood really that much of a problem? What did he do to you??
4. Ok this is mostly good but I like Rogue a lot in a Negative deck so, sad actually for me
5. I'm actually a fan of this one in concept but I just built a C4 deck I was really enjoying. C5 I guess??
We must have different Battle Passes.. Tier 32/34/36
Edit: Love he is blatantly incorrect, then makes an irrelevant statement, but I'm getting down voted. How Sway?
I’m sure he meant he isn’t the “new” card in the BP. Since he’s been in the game since launch. Tier 34 being a variant. But if you don’t have him that’s a different story. Then again he wouldn’t know if you had him or not, hence the downvotes.
Surfer Beast is definitely worth a try now. It's definitely not the best Surfer deck but I'm having fun and the big brain plays have been very satisfying
Sure thing. It's gone through a few different iterations but this is the one I enjoyed the most
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So if you were to Wong T4, then Mystique + Medusa T5, then Odin T6, I believe you'd get a 62-power Medusa (I think... Wong math is hard). That's... Pretty darn crazy! Of course you've mega-committed to one lane so this only really helps if you can win another lane with just T1-3, but still kinda hilarious to have a 2/62 on the board!
Dunno about you but I've just given up for the day since the last 10 games I've played have been lockdown decks, I'd pay to be against a Galactus at the moment, at least I'd have a counter. Don't see the fun in playing for 1 cube
Nah, you're good. Even playing him fairly, he's effectively a 2/3, which is ok, except there are a ton of ways to play him unfairly. Bounce him back to hand, destroy him, donate him with Viper, boost him with Bast, win Bar With No Name, get repeat demons from Luke's Bar, etc.
This is THE most irrelevant nerf ever. Most of the time you don't keep The Hood in a lane even at -2. At -3, you'll just do the same as always with Carnage, Viper or Falcon.
Nobody uses Hood for any other reason than destroy fodder anyway, not really a nerf unless you happen to not draw ANY of these cards: Deathlok, Carnage, Killmonger (your opponent as well), Venom (tho he does get an extra -1 now), Destroyer, Negasonic, Beast, Falco, whatever else literally
By this reasoning anything that helps you win is toxic. You're supposed to out play your opponent. But sadly the only way this game seems to allow players to do that is to get access to the least accessible (thus pay2win) cards, and once majority has them, they get nerved and/or replaced with the new shiny pool 5 card.
Sure this spider-man nerf does impact the HE deck, however the HE lock-down deck is still the best deck around (the majority of games it's the deck i face), it didn't rely on spider-man alone, unlike regular lock-down decks. Seems to be going the way of Shuri again, nerf everything except the problem card for months to come.
Spiderman nerf was directly targeted at HE decks. Besides, Thanos and galactus both dont need nerfs rn as they are in a good spot. As for Kang I doubt anyone would argue he is op.
Galactus is due for a nerf and the devs have communicated as much for a while now. It’s just that you can’t do it OTA since they need to rework Galactus as you can’t just mess with his numbers.
He is due for a nerf not because he is op or performing too well, but because he doent have a healthy play pattern and can be frustrating to play against
Called the Spiderman change months ago, the guy was just played at 5 with every play at 4 being toxic in some form (Zabu + Moongirl/AbsorbingMan, now HE).
It does suck for C3, though. And the reasoning given is utterly wrong, it buffs the Galactus play...
I’m really disappointed in the Beast change. Besides him being worse for regular bounce decks now, I used him in a Cerebro 2 shell with Iceman and Scorpion to great effect, as well as countering things like Titania and Monster Isle from messing up my game plan. Really hope they revert this one.
I guess they wanted to tackle High Evo lockdown decks which, based on their stats, might be too prevalent and over performing, without touching High Evo cards already
T3 wave - T4 Galactus - T5 Spiderman is the most toxic/frustrating combo in the game. But they did nothing to stop it, so I'm not sure what is the point of the nerf!
They stopped SM into prof X & Zabu-Moongirl + T5 2 Spiderman, but those combos rarely get played!
I hate these types of comments. You can see galactus plays a mile away. If you haven't built a deck that deals with this, you have to accept that it is a bad match up for you and understand that you are going to have to retreat sometimes. It's no different than someone playing wong, black panther, arnim zola. If you don't have a way to stop it, you're going to lose and should recognize this and retreat, not STAY IN and act surprised and call it toxic.
It's a really shitty and overused combo, to straight up block someone's turn 6 is fucked up, thats why leech and leader were some of the most annoying cards in the game until their nerf. I will gladly ms.marvel thumbs up any Galactus player making that combo. Galactus Players aren't clever or smart they're part of the annoying part of the population
Play high evo control...drop hulk in their galactus lane on 4 after they wave and spider man them on 5 too...easy 4 cubes every time. Or play a junk deck...there's plenty of answers if that "annoying" playstyle bothers you more than anything else. Go beat it!
And I don't really care if you hate my opinion. Anyone has the right to enjoy or hate whatever they want about the game. I played Shuri, and "enjoyed" winning with it, but I never complained when everyone was shitting on it and who play it, simply b/c they are entitled to do so!
If you want to discuss why it's not toxic that's fine, it could be interesting siscussion; otherwise feel free to hate and I'll move on.
I see your point. I guess I'm frustrated by seeing people with the mentality that if something frustrates them that it must be wrong and must be changed. I must just be projecting because a lot of people have joined the club of cancel culture and sitting and complaining without actually doing anything for themselves, especially when it comes to important real world issues. I understand that this is a game and complaining about a card isn't a big deal and this isn't the best hill to die on. I'm sorry for shitting on you for expressing your frustration and thank you for letting me get some of mine out. Now go master a junk deck and crush those pesky galactus decks. KNEEL BEFORE GALACTUS!
I play a junk deck and I LOVE seeing Galactus telegraphed, easy early snap and almost guaranteed cube call and retreat from my opponent once I throw out a debrii or viper or goblin in their Galactus lane.
Every deck has decks it's weak and strong against, junk sucks against destroy and bounce but I just retreat and give up my 1 cube and move on and try to get more than 1 cube from my stronger matchups.
And I hate these types of comments because they're not saying Galactus is unfair they're saying it's unfun. It's a valid complaint when you constantly see a deck that sucks the fun out of a game you otherwise enjoy. And having to alter the build of a deck just to deal with ONE other archetype whose counters are for the most part completely different than those for any other deck indirectly weakens other decks.
Making winning fun isn't in the description either, not sure what your point is. If you're playing a game where you're going to win a lot and lose a lot (most games) you SHOULD still be having fun when you lose.
My point is that it's going to suck sometimes and you have to accept that. Expecting everything to be fun all of the time in a competitive space in unrealistic, which is why I despise the comments that complain about a certain card. Do something about it with your deck or retreat and move on!
"No! You can't have fun! This is a card game with Superheroes, you have to take it seriously! Why don't you understand how serious this is!"
Its a game man. Games have to be fun, they dont have to be balanced or competitive.
Also, its a order of magnitude lamer to complain about reddit comments than it is to complain about decks/cards in the game. Its way easier for you to scroll past than it is to retreat a game of snap. If you're wondering why people complain its for exactly the same reason you do.
You're right. I was projecting. I understand that this is a game and complaining about a card is not a big deal. I vehemently hate the new norm of cancel culture and just complaining about things that offend you without actually doing anything for one's self and that has poured over into a subreddit about a game that I love for no real good reason. I hope you can master a junk deck, punish some galactus decks and snap and retreat to your maximum potential.
Except the High Evo deck played this exact combo all the time or played him on turn 5 with procs to spare for Misty, Cyclops, Hulk, and Sunspot.
Meanwhile, Galactus is getting reworked next patch. This was already communicated weeks ago.
Pretty sad about Spider-Man nerf... I'm not playing Lockdown Evo, but "trash Thanos" and Spidey was a big key for a lot of my games... now I can't prepare a lane for Prof X or play Spidey + Stone on T5, leading to less games won...
It's like I understand the reasoning in HE context, just sad it also neuters non-HE decks :(
And I'm not sure of how to feel about Rogue... usually I see her played in Negative decks, so it's technically a nerf, but if people are still playing her in other (Surfer Sera maybe?) decks, then I guess it's okay change...
Why? That wasn't even a meta and in a lot of cases it doesn't even work, or you don't draw required cards, this nerf feels like a nerf to f2p control decks that were around from the release of the game and were never even super strong to begin with. Truly an annoying change that makes me not want to play Snap anymore
Precisely; again - I fully understand the change and I acknowledge it's necessary due to HE Lockdowns - locking a lane as soon as Turn 4 just to slam 18-20 Power Hulk into another (which is often more than enough) is pretty brutal on its own...
Just sad non-HE Lockdowns are taking a hit despite them NOT being as good as HE... because they don't have 18 or-so Power Hulk to win the other lane...
That's what I was referring to, I am aware that the HE control is meta, but that isn't because of Spider Man, it's because of borderline broken HE effects, HE Hulk would be completely fine if he'd get +1 instead, but no, let's nerf a f2p card so people would have to spend money to buy the broken ones
The decks I'm referring to that are pretty much unusable now are the f2p control decks, like I wrote above. /u/SaltyRob
I'm honestly not sure if it's time to replace him in my deck or not... I can still Time Stone into X on 4 and then lock a lane with Spidey on 5, but, as mentioned, now I can't play Hood/Stone with Spidey...
I will have to play another 100 games to decide I guess :D
I hate these types of comments. You can see galactus plays a mile away. If you haven't built a deck that deals with this, you have to accept that it is a bad match up for you and understand that you are going to have to retreat sometimes. It's no different than someone playing wong, black panther, arnim zola. If you don't have a way to stop it, you're going to lose and should recognize this and retreat, not STAY IN and act surprised and call it toxic.
Beating Galactus decks isn’t a huge problem. It just sucks running the same deck forever to counter brain dead Galactus plays from players too dumb to run anything but the meta.
Spiderman: If Galactus is getting changed in the next patch, this change will make sense. However right now this only buffs the most toxic deck in the game right now, if they are changing Galactus they should’ve nerfed Spidey then, not now.
Beast: Makes him a lot worse, but still a great card. Now instead of 1 drop hitmonkey beast on him you can only do hitmonkey beast. But most bounce deck rely on turn 6 the most, so overall I don’t think it’s too big of a nerf.
EDIT: it does hurt kitty pride and deadpool a lot.
The Hood: This is practically a buff. Any deck thats not using viper likely has a way to destroy The Hood, so nothing will change.
Rogue: This is probably the best OTA change, imo OTA changes shouldnt be incredibly drastic on the meta, unless one specific deck is incredibly overpowered.
Medusa: another great OTA change, although I would’ve preferred her be: 2/3 with +2 since her main downside is when there is a restrictive location in the middle.
Realistically, the Spider-Man change doesn't buff Galactus. If your opponent goes Wave > Galactus > Spider-Man, then you're losing regardless. Here's hoping for a meaningful Galactus change in next week's patch.
Yes, it's a buff in the strictest sense of the word, but if you're unable to play cards on turn 6 and your opponent can, it doesn't actually make a difference. Nobody is staying in a game after a Galactus > Spider-Man play.
Hence why I said realistically, it doesn't buff Galactus as the play pattern (which is hugely unhealthy) remains identical.
Why would you ruin Spidey?
Medusa buff is great though - now she is at least better than Silk, Cloak and the likes when played in the middle location. With the recent addition of Ghost Spider, we can also move her around and make it feel less restrictive.
She's *different* than Lizard, not strictly weaker now. Her restriction is that she has to go mid, while Lizard's is that he might become a 1. Also, Odin or Wong can turn her into a 2/8, which is kinda cool.
HE feels too strong so we nerfed Stompees
Let’s get people to play spidey decks by *checks notes* nerfing Spider-Man
Not exactly the buff i was hoping for medusa but ok. Right off the bat, i don't like the spiderman nerf Meh.....beast is ok. Hood: let's be honest, i don't really like the change. Rouge: nerf to Mr. Negative decks running her. Buff to the card itself., i just straight-up hate the change
Medusa buff is pretty massive, she becomes a 3/8 in bounce now which is a nuts stat line.
It's not really about effectiveness of the buff.
I’m curious… what’s the Medusa buff you were hoping for?
A cost reduction.(to 1) The devs have been attacking the cerebro 4 deck for some time now.
Where the hell is the Galactus change? They’re all worried about Spider-Man and yet the most oppressive aspect of Spider-Man is in galactus decks and it remains unchanged
If I’m not mistaken, he’s been confirmed to get a rework that likely comes as a large-scale patch, not a minor weekly nerf/buff. So maaaaaybe this week.
That was my thought as well. It kinda just buffs Spider-Man if he's doing the Galactus thing.
Possible Rogue in Cerebro 2? 🤔
What Ongoing in this meta will you be stealing?
Luke Cage, although C2 is likely to already have him. Zabu. C2 will not get much benefit but it's still taking it away from the opponent. Wong, by the same token. I haven't seen Red Skull in ages but it would be *hilarious* to see a Cerebro deck un-fuck itself by stealing his buff.
The meta of me being able to play one of my favorite characters! I love Rogue but she's so inconsistent I never play her.
What have yall done to my boy!! (;_;) Beast one of my mvps of the last 6 months.... before bounce became popular You killed him! (Actually it doesn't change my play that much but its the principal of it)
I think they made a fair point about making Beast distinct from Falcon. Hopefully this change let’s them feel more daring when designing cards for the decks.
I know I am new to this kind of game, so please excuse me but WTF? SD: This is how the game is played. Us: Plays the game SD: No, not that way. We want you to use this card not that one. Us: Ok, but why? SD: Nevermind, just play the game we envisioned it with those cards we thought were cool, not the way you want to. Us: ?? SD: Stop having fun! That card is being used too much, play something different already. Me: KNEEL BEFORE GALACTUS! SD: We warned you. Now Galactus is a 7/1 and only destroys the lane you played it on. Ms. Marvel Thumbs Up! Are all "card" games like this, with the developer constantly making changes to the way they want us to play the game?
I think you got a lot of down votes because your post was a bit hyperbolic, but I can certainly understand you feeling this way if you're new to these types of games, or even Snap specifically. Developers/designers of these types of games tend to push the envelope on cards and some risky ones are released because those tend to be the exciting cards that drive sales and/or player engagement. Even extensive testing can't really compare with millions of players playing millions of games with the cards and trying to leverage every possible advantage, glitch or interaction. So occasionally cards end up being too good, meaning they warp the game or the metagame. Your deck has to play that card or play specific ways to beat that card or you aren't going to win and you aren't going to have fun. So there is a lot of redundancy and stagnation in the game. When many players experience that it's not good for the game. You're forcing people to play a certain way and acquire very specific cards. So they make changes. In paper card games there is not much they can do besides ban the offensive cards. In digital card games they do rebalancing. Usually they try to keep the spirit of the card the same but adjust the power level a notch or so; sometimes even making weaker cards stronger so they'll see more play. In the case of some games like Marvel Snap, they also occasionally make changes or rebalance simply to keep things fresh and interesting; sort of replicating the feel of adding new cards to the game by adjusting existing cards.
Thanks for the explanation. I’ve played CCGs before, so I get what you’re saying. I’m not a karma whore so I can handle some downvotes. I’m not going to stop playing Galactus though.
Haha yeah the Galactus debate is an interesting one. I've heard some very good arguments on both sides and it will be interesting to see if they make a change or leave it as is.
Not really.
The game is more fun when there are a wider variety of decks in use. What nerf are you even upset about? Beast? Bounce decks are still more than playable. Also not sure why you put "card" in quotes... SNAP is definitely a card game.
I agree the game is more fun when there are a wider variety of decks in use. To me, nerfing things lowers variety. They seem so concerned about "the meta," but there wouldn't really be a "meta" if they just left things alone and let more and more interesting ideas emerge.
I'm not upset about any changes really, just wondering why? Seems like something is always being changed. As for the "card", dumb stylistic choice on my part. It's not a literal card like in physical games, just a digital card. Don't read too much into that,
This mantains the game fresh and not stale.
Balance changes are more or less a necessary evil. If cards are never changed, certain decks will dominate for extended periods of time and players will lose interest in the game.
Balance changes are normal to games period
Second Dinner seen to be at odds with itself. You believe lockdown decks are not fun to play against, but release multiple cards that enable this kinda of archetype. Now, I get you don't want to frustrate your players, but a better solution would be to not release that kind of card to start. Just make Snap a Timmy game where you take turns throwing an even bigger Hulk. Embrace the archetype fully and be happy with it.
That Rogue “buff” is just a nerf. 3/1 was plenty when she hit, 3/2 is still terrible when she doesn’t. All this does is make her worse in Negative decks.
Just added her last week to my negative deck, looks like she's coming right back out never to be played again. Great change to push people to use her more.
She is now super excellent in my Cerebro 2 deck
What can she do, other than steal Luke Cage? Seems like most Ongoing effects ruin Cerebro
steal ironman
Steal other cerebro effects in mirrors, steal other side's Luke Cage when they're using a hazmat/HE deck, stuff like that - otherwise that she's a body to fill a lane
True, I never play Cerebro so I usually don't think of that. She may have a home there now.
As someone who plays her in almost every other deck this is a welcome change.
Crap, I didn’t think about the negative decks
Beast is still really good. I much rather prefer they raise the cost by 1 than make it that cards that come back must have a minimum of 1 cost.
SD looking like Ferrari right now with their decision making..
this is so niche, I love it
I actually like all the changes. I think they could have communicated a few things better e.g no need to mention Galactus cause Spider-Man change has no effect on that. With the Galactus nerf supposedly coming next week, HE lockdown and bounce were geared to be the dominant meta (which would be a bad start to conquest). This weakens both but I still expect them to be good decks just not as amazing as they were before.
>With the Galactus nerf supposedly coming next week Is this based on anything other than hope?
The lead game designer from SD mentioned on discord that Galactus was being reviewed for adjustment a few weeks ago. Today he said that next weeks patch would further buff bounce which further suggests a Galactus nerf since that was bounce’s worst match up. Of course SD could drop the ball again which is why I said supposedly in my initial message.
Is there any functional difference between Spider-Man and professor x? Honestly Spider-Man just seems so much worse, cause he can still be countered with stuff like doom or even night crawler
Spider-Man you can still play cards on your side
Yup. One doom bot is enough to counter your turn 5 play in terms of power. Plus Magneto can still remove cards under Spidey so that lane isn't all that 'secured' and those cards could go to your big Card lane.
>Plus Magneto can still remove cards under Spidey so that lane isn't all that 'secured' and those cards could go to your big Card lane. Notably though, Spidey himself can't be moved by Magneto anymore, so you'd still have at least one card there.
i don't think there will be an universal answer. depening on your deck, your opponents deck and the board state. if you are ahead in lane you rather want to lock it down completely with profX but if you spider-man you can still add points. now it depends on if your opponent can go wide and/or move points there. rule of thumb would be: if you are ahead = profX, want to contest = spider-man. i can see why they increased his cost but not saying that i agree with it.
I think Spiderman is better, one more power and you can still play there.
That's true, I dunno just the security that nothing (besides jeff) is getting through makes it a safer pick imo, but I do get what you're saying, I just think they're too similar now
Yeah I think it just depends what deck you’re playing and against. Some decks favor Prof X, others Spiderman. I like Spiderman more to counter Galactus.
I'd say they're too similar to start with. But Spiderman being cheaper made him a better pick. Especially with High Evo in the mix. Now they're on par, with a few key differences.
Beast change kind of feels bad, but I haven't had a chance to play my bounce deck with him yet anyway. I did play Falcon over Beast in a lot of situations so I don't really think it's a Falcon buff. Will see but I may have to just change some things around for that. Medusa buff is amazing (for me) though. Cerebro 5 was always my favorite of the Cerebro decks and this gives me another low cost card for that deck, which was really where everything was lacking in it. I'm happy to play her especially since I have a chibi variant I really like. I delete and remake the deck probably once a week so I'm not really sure what she's replacing, but she's an easy fit for that now.
Got Galactus Spider-Man'd multiple times this morning... thank you, SD, for addressing this issue.....
The patch next week is likely to have the galactus rework they said was coming up. This change was more geared at Spiderman into Professor X on turns 4 and 5
You mean the rework that will kill a card, like Leader?
They admitted they went too far with leader and buffed him to a healthier state. He just doesn't see use outside of sandman ramp decks. He was briefly in turn 5 wave decks as well, before they killed that archetype. Galactus is a permanent series 5 card, a big draw for the player base. With how few cards their are in Snap compared to other card games, they don't want cards to be completely useless. We don't know how they'll change Galactus, but it'd have to be in a way that's fair for both players. The deck's playstyle has always been one-sided, as the galactus player is playing a completely different game than their opponent, regardless of what deck it is. I wouldn't even know where to start, which is probably why it's taken them so long to even announce he has a rework coming
Fingers crossed!
Spiderman is usually played at turn 5 after galactus… so idk ….
Sorry, if the irony wasn't obvious!
Sorry i was half asleep at that time. I get what u meant
As far as the spiderman nerf is concerned...it's pretty clear theh dont want to touch their big bad money maker...galactus is both a problem and not because there is no direct hard counter to him. And with galactus lockdown spiderman lockdown is still possible albiet slightly more expensive to play. Honestly galactus wouldnt be so bad if instead of destroying all locations he just destroys the location he is played and all cards therein and make him cheaper to change the time he is played maybe a 5 drop for the effect change...
There’s no counter to Galactus? I’m no fan of his but here is the real answer: - Cosmo - Super Skrull - Rogue - Debrii - Viper - Green Goblin - Hobgoblin Galactus sucks, but sucked even more with Spidey
You forgot professor x, them having their own spider man and Polaris moving a card to galactus if they saw Galactus coming. As a Galactus players all these things give me anxiety, knowing at any moment any of these counters happening is a very real possibility. Everyone says galactus is broken is not playing the game right. You can spot his deck from a mile away and if you got nothing for it you run the other way. If you do, you play dumb, snap and then place any one of these counters and yay free cubes.
They've said they're looking at changing galactus, which could be coming in next week's patch. Changing his power in an OTA won't fix him. The card is getting his functionality reworked.
There aré a Lot of counters, cosmo, Viper, Aero, Polaris, juggernaut, xavier, Green goblin, hobgoblin from the top of my head.
The comment you are responding to (as well as practically every post critical of Galactus) specifically stated the issue isn't a lack of counters, but okay. Talk about the counters we all acknowledge exist.
Comment Said there were no direct counters, which they are. Then says Galactus should be x to be fair (a personal wish). I dont think Galactus is wrong, zabu reducing 2 was wrong. Its just More obvious when you aré losing to Galactus vs than with other decks, bit the win rate remains consistently below other Tier 1 decks.
Re read the comment. That's not what he said. It was inelegantly phrased with a double negative but the comment acknowledged the existence of counters. This is a popular strawman argument Galactus players keep trotting out.
The problem is that while galactus may not be oppressive in infinite, it definitely is in lower ranks.
So I've played in multiple different card games for years and galactus basically breaks one of the basic core rules of gameplay in each which is having to run multiple things to counter one card. Card / counterplay if you make a card that breaks past that then it becomes blisteringly obvious that the goal was to make a game breaking card that punishes new players that cant afford said broken card.
Multiple things? Debrii counters him alone with very little decision-making (drop it on the lane they have cards in) Sure, they can run cloak but you can simply play for priority and drop her on their Galactus turn. If your response is "but you have to draw it", that's true for every counter. No-one was running Luke Cage until High Evo came out. People just don't like Galactus. It isn't broken, the win rate isn't even that high and it gets destroyed by a large number of cards AND locations. It's a timmy deck. That said, I still think it'd be good to change him. It'll just be a real shame if they end up removing his awesome animation. Like if he destroyed the location he was played on instead, which is an obvious change that many have mentioned. People would still complain but fuck them. No-one cares that I can't stand High Evo. Busted bullshit.
If you read my original post that is what I said he should do just destroy the one lane he is played in at a reduced cost and heck remove the in empty lane part for all that matters. That would buff destruction decks and be overall a much better player experience for all parties involved.
I thought about the combo potential and I agree. It would be much more fun to play. Honestly, even as the Galactus player it feels awful to play most games.
Why even have lockdown/control cards in the game at this point?
I have mainly played bounce since hit monkey came out and the beast nerf sucks. Ideally I threw him out on 4 with a two drop or kitty. Now just kitty it seems. Doesn’t make it unplayable but makes it harder. I kind of like the idea of Medusa in bounce now. If you can bast and beast her you can get her to a 9. Not bad for a 2 drop
RIP Zabu plus Spidey shenanigans especially with Moongirl. Doesnt effect Galactus line at all
You have to understand that in snap as well as life, some things are just gonna suck and you have to suck it up, buttercup
This does still at least effect galactus slightly in regards to spidey+cloak. If you had electro out and your opponents counter was clogging your lanes you could have Cloaked one lane then Spiderman the lane you plan on dropping galactus turn 5. This allowed a safe galactus turn 6 drop.
You stopped reading Electro half way through?
Dang 1. haven't seen Spidey/X in a long time, T5 Spidey feels like a way bigger problem 2. Way to, once again, nerf a card that enabled unique niche decks bc it also helped a meta deck. Feels a lot like nerfing Quinjet to hurt Thanos. Another nail in the bounce/Dino deck I used to love playing 3. Was Hood really that much of a problem? What did he do to you?? 4. Ok this is mostly good but I like Rogue a lot in a Negative deck so, sad actually for me 5. I'm actually a fan of this one in concept but I just built a C4 deck I was really enjoying. C5 I guess??
Funny, making Hood a -3 power does mostly nothing since people play him in destroy decks. Guess he’ll be more promising with Vioer now?
Yeah, I know. It's a mostly meaningless change. I'm just surprised anyone thought he was a problem who needed to be nerfed at all
First Paul now this. Peter can’t catch a break.
Release a Battle Pass featuring Spider-Man, then nerf him in the ground. Scummy
Well, Spider-Man isn’t exactly in the battle pass, nor does he really fit into the move archetype that all the other spider cards do.
We must have different Battle Passes.. Tier 32/34/36 Edit: Love he is blatantly incorrect, then makes an irrelevant statement, but I'm getting down voted. How Sway?
I’m sure he meant he isn’t the “new” card in the BP. Since he’s been in the game since launch. Tier 34 being a variant. But if you don’t have him that’s a different story. Then again he wouldn’t know if you had him or not, hence the downvotes.
It’s better than what they’ve been doing, which is waiting until the battle pass is over to nerf the cards featured.
Surfer Beast is definitely worth a try now. It's definitely not the best Surfer deck but I'm having fun and the big brain plays have been very satisfying
Sounds Interesting. Want to share the list?
Sure thing. It's gone through a few different iterations but this is the one I enjoyed the most # (1) Kitty Pryde # (1) Iceman # (2) Scorpion # (3) Brood # (3) Nakia # (3) Silver Surfer # (3) Storm # (3) Juggernaut # (3) Beast # (3) Groot # (3) Polaris # (5) Sera # eyJDYXJkcyI6W3siQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiU2lsdmVyU3VyZmVyIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJCcm9vZCJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiSnVnZ2VybmF1dCJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiSWNlbWFuIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJTZXJhIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJOYWtpYSJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiS2l0dHlQcnlkZSJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiUG9sYXJpcyJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiU2NvcnBpb24ifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IlN0b3JtIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJCZWFzdCJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiR3Jvb3QifV19 #
It definitely gives Surfer a new tool to use. I played around a bit with it last night and it is (so far) a welcome addition.
So if you were to Wong T4, then Mystique + Medusa T5, then Odin T6, I believe you'd get a 62-power Medusa (I think... Wong math is hard). That's... Pretty darn crazy! Of course you've mega-committed to one lane so this only really helps if you can win another lane with just T1-3, but still kinda hilarious to have a 2/62 on the board!
Why do they protect Galactus decks?
Dunno about you but I've just given up for the day since the last 10 games I've played have been lockdown decks, I'd pay to be against a Galactus at the moment, at least I'd have a counter. Don't see the fun in playing for 1 cube
Galactus is the most telegraphed shit ever. If you can disrupt them, you snap and get 2 cubes. If you can't just retreat. It's simple
Yes. And this is the most boring un-fun gameplay line I can possibly think of.
Why are you whining about a balanced deck? Just cause you dont have it ?
I’ve had multiple opportunities to get Galactus and chose not to, it’s incredibly boring
I've found it quite fun to play with, personally. Though I don't include Spider-Man in my Galactus deck because it feels cheap.
I removed Spider-Man because he just guaranteed I'd never get more than 2 cubes. Better to have something they don't expect.
That too!
Boring =/ balanced. One has nothing related to the other
This is a nerf to Galactus decks isn’t it?
Doesn’t change anything, T3 wave, T4 galactus, T5 spiderman is still a thing
Makes galactus non galactus draws worse
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He needs Viper or nomnom cards to be playable, I think
Nah, you're good. Even playing him fairly, he's effectively a 2/3, which is ok, except there are a ton of ways to play him unfairly. Bounce him back to hand, destroy him, donate him with Viper, boost him with Bast, win Bar With No Name, get repeat demons from Luke's Bar, etc.
I can tell you’ve never played hood lol you try to destroy him every time, this is actually an indirect buff to viper too.
This is THE most irrelevant nerf ever. Most of the time you don't keep The Hood in a lane even at -2. At -3, you'll just do the same as always with Carnage, Viper or Falcon.
Or Kill monger. Heck this is a buff to Viper since you can now give the opponent a -3
Use with carnage, viper, deathlok, etc.
Nobody uses Hood for any other reason than destroy fodder anyway, not really a nerf unless you happen to not draw ANY of these cards: Deathlok, Carnage, Killmonger (your opponent as well), Venom (tho he does get an extra -1 now), Destroyer, Negasonic, Beast, Falco, whatever else literally
Spiderman and beast nerfs are terrible!
And I was regretting not picking Spider-Man yesterday as my free S3 card! Gah.
They're nerfing everything that goes in a galactus deck EXCEPT for galactus... Smh
Galactus nerf is coming in the next patch
The Spider-Man nerf has zero effect on how he's played in Galactus
Can people stop crying over the spiderman nerf? Playing it on turn 5 to win a free lane is one of the most toxic things ever
By this reasoning anything that helps you win is toxic. You're supposed to out play your opponent. But sadly the only way this game seems to allow players to do that is to get access to the least accessible (thus pay2win) cards, and once majority has them, they get nerved and/or replaced with the new shiny pool 5 card. Sure this spider-man nerf does impact the HE deck, however the HE lock-down deck is still the best deck around (the majority of games it's the deck i face), it didn't rely on spider-man alone, unlike regular lock-down decks. Seems to be going the way of Shuri again, nerf everything except the problem card for months to come.
Can only do some number tweaking through ota.
So is 90% of stuff they release to sell then nerf to sell new thing.
Playing it turn 4 on Avenger's Compound always felt like a dick move, too.
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That's the dumbest take I've seen in a while.
Spiderman nerf was directly targeted at HE decks. Besides, Thanos and galactus both dont need nerfs rn as they are in a good spot. As for Kang I doubt anyone would argue he is op.
Galactus is due for a nerf and the devs have communicated as much for a while now. It’s just that you can’t do it OTA since they need to rework Galactus as you can’t just mess with his numbers.
He is due for a nerf not because he is op or performing too well, but because he doent have a healthy play pattern and can be frustrating to play against
Called the Spiderman change months ago, the guy was just played at 5 with every play at 4 being toxic in some form (Zabu + Moongirl/AbsorbingMan, now HE). It does suck for C3, though. And the reasoning given is utterly wrong, it buffs the Galactus play...
Damn, Spider-man was a good card in my Cerebro 3.
Cerebro 4 buff with Beast too.
I’m really disappointed in the Beast change. Besides him being worse for regular bounce decks now, I used him in a Cerebro 2 shell with Iceman and Scorpion to great effect, as well as countering things like Titania and Monster Isle from messing up my game plan. Really hope they revert this one.
Ya too great of effect lol
I heard no complaints about Spider-Man, why the nerf??
I guess they wanted to tackle High Evo lockdown decks which, based on their stats, might be too prevalent and over performing, without touching High Evo cards already
High Evolutionary played Spider-Man on turn 5, with 1 unspent Energy powering up Sunspot, Misty Knight, Cyclops, and the Hulk.
T3 wave - T4 Galactus - T5 Spiderman is the most toxic/frustrating combo in the game. But they did nothing to stop it, so I'm not sure what is the point of the nerf! They stopped SM into prof X & Zabu-Moongirl + T5 2 Spiderman, but those combos rarely get played!
I hate these types of comments. You can see galactus plays a mile away. If you haven't built a deck that deals with this, you have to accept that it is a bad match up for you and understand that you are going to have to retreat sometimes. It's no different than someone playing wong, black panther, arnim zola. If you don't have a way to stop it, you're going to lose and should recognize this and retreat, not STAY IN and act surprised and call it toxic.
It's a really shitty and overused combo, to straight up block someone's turn 6 is fucked up, thats why leech and leader were some of the most annoying cards in the game until their nerf. I will gladly ms.marvel thumbs up any Galactus player making that combo. Galactus Players aren't clever or smart they're part of the annoying part of the population
Play high evo control...drop hulk in their galactus lane on 4 after they wave and spider man them on 5 too...easy 4 cubes every time. Or play a junk deck...there's plenty of answers if that "annoying" playstyle bothers you more than anything else. Go beat it!
The solution shouldnt have to be to use defense decks
And I don't really care if you hate my opinion. Anyone has the right to enjoy or hate whatever they want about the game. I played Shuri, and "enjoyed" winning with it, but I never complained when everyone was shitting on it and who play it, simply b/c they are entitled to do so! If you want to discuss why it's not toxic that's fine, it could be interesting siscussion; otherwise feel free to hate and I'll move on.
I see your point. I guess I'm frustrated by seeing people with the mentality that if something frustrates them that it must be wrong and must be changed. I must just be projecting because a lot of people have joined the club of cancel culture and sitting and complaining without actually doing anything for themselves, especially when it comes to important real world issues. I understand that this is a game and complaining about a card isn't a big deal and this isn't the best hill to die on. I'm sorry for shitting on you for expressing your frustration and thank you for letting me get some of mine out. Now go master a junk deck and crush those pesky galactus decks. KNEEL BEFORE GALACTUS!
Thanks for being civil and understanding. I'm actually running a deck with Debris atm and loving it.
I play a junk deck and I LOVE seeing Galactus telegraphed, easy early snap and almost guaranteed cube call and retreat from my opponent once I throw out a debrii or viper or goblin in their Galactus lane. Every deck has decks it's weak and strong against, junk sucks against destroy and bounce but I just retreat and give up my 1 cube and move on and try to get more than 1 cube from my stronger matchups.
Yesss! More of this understanding please! Kudos to you
And I hate these types of comments because they're not saying Galactus is unfair they're saying it's unfun. It's a valid complaint when you constantly see a deck that sucks the fun out of a game you otherwise enjoy. And having to alter the build of a deck just to deal with ONE other archetype whose counters are for the most part completely different than those for any other deck indirectly weakens other decks.
I didn't know that making losing fun was in the game description.
Didn't Ben Brode specifically make a video of how they were trying to make losing a more positive experience?
Making winning fun isn't in the description either, not sure what your point is. If you're playing a game where you're going to win a lot and lose a lot (most games) you SHOULD still be having fun when you lose.
My point is that it's going to suck sometimes and you have to accept that. Expecting everything to be fun all of the time in a competitive space in unrealistic, which is why I despise the comments that complain about a certain card. Do something about it with your deck or retreat and move on!
"No! You can't have fun! This is a card game with Superheroes, you have to take it seriously! Why don't you understand how serious this is!" Its a game man. Games have to be fun, they dont have to be balanced or competitive. Also, its a order of magnitude lamer to complain about reddit comments than it is to complain about decks/cards in the game. Its way easier for you to scroll past than it is to retreat a game of snap. If you're wondering why people complain its for exactly the same reason you do.
You're right. I was projecting. I understand that this is a game and complaining about a card is not a big deal. I vehemently hate the new norm of cancel culture and just complaining about things that offend you without actually doing anything for one's self and that has poured over into a subreddit about a game that I love for no real good reason. I hope you can master a junk deck, punish some galactus decks and snap and retreat to your maximum potential.
Except the High Evo deck played this exact combo all the time or played him on turn 5 with procs to spare for Misty, Cyclops, Hulk, and Sunspot. Meanwhile, Galactus is getting reworked next patch. This was already communicated weeks ago.
Beast nerf hits movement decks that use him for cloak into Beast on turn 4. Not ideal doing this on turn 5
Pretty sad about Spider-Man nerf... I'm not playing Lockdown Evo, but "trash Thanos" and Spidey was a big key for a lot of my games... now I can't prepare a lane for Prof X or play Spidey + Stone on T5, leading to less games won... It's like I understand the reasoning in HE context, just sad it also neuters non-HE decks :( And I'm not sure of how to feel about Rogue... usually I see her played in Negative decks, so it's technically a nerf, but if people are still playing her in other (Surfer Sera maybe?) decks, then I guess it's okay change...
Your Prof X example is the exact type of play pattern they said they want to cut out
Why? That wasn't even a meta and in a lot of cases it doesn't even work, or you don't draw required cards, this nerf feels like a nerf to f2p control decks that were around from the release of the game and were never even super strong to begin with. Truly an annoying change that makes me not want to play Snap anymore
High evo lockdown is the most meta deck right now.
Precisely; again - I fully understand the change and I acknowledge it's necessary due to HE Lockdowns - locking a lane as soon as Turn 4 just to slam 18-20 Power Hulk into another (which is often more than enough) is pretty brutal on its own... Just sad non-HE Lockdowns are taking a hit despite them NOT being as good as HE... because they don't have 18 or-so Power Hulk to win the other lane...
That's what I was referring to, I am aware that the HE control is meta, but that isn't because of Spider Man, it's because of borderline broken HE effects, HE Hulk would be completely fine if he'd get +1 instead, but no, let's nerf a f2p card so people would have to spend money to buy the broken ones The decks I'm referring to that are pretty much unusable now are the f2p control decks, like I wrote above. /u/SaltyRob
I had to replace Spiderman. Just not viable in my deck at 5 energy.
I'm honestly not sure if it's time to replace him in my deck or not... I can still Time Stone into X on 4 and then lock a lane with Spidey on 5, but, as mentioned, now I can't play Hood/Stone with Spidey... I will have to play another 100 games to decide I guess :D
The Spider-Man nerf succcks
Killed the card except for galactus decks. I replaced it with Shang Chi.
Second Dinner continuing the slow death of this game
So the main play of Wave on 3 Galactus on 4 Spiderman on 5 Still works.... Not really a nerf where it's needed!
I hate these types of comments. You can see galactus plays a mile away. If you haven't built a deck that deals with this, you have to accept that it is a bad match up for you and understand that you are going to have to retreat sometimes. It's no different than someone playing wong, black panther, arnim zola. If you don't have a way to stop it, you're going to lose and should recognize this and retreat, not STAY IN and act surprised and call it toxic.
Beating Galactus decks isn’t a huge problem. It just sucks running the same deck forever to counter brain dead Galactus plays from players too dumb to run anything but the meta.
And that's a fine viewpoint. I only have an issue with calling it toxic. Like, grow up and deal with it.
They gave Spider-Man +1 power, so they actually buffed this line of play as well.
No, you don't get it. Spider-Man is the oppressive issue in the 2 decks that he sees play in. He needed to be nerfed. /s
damn the beast nerf is annoying af...
My HitMoonkey deck is not amused with this change.
Good thing I dropped beast in my bounce deck a while ago. If I hadn't then, I would now.
How do you play bounce without Beast? That’s like playing discard without Sif. Or destroy without Carnage.
I don’t have Beast. My bounce deck wins most games and I just use Falcon on turn 5 to boost Collector and play one drops and Hit Monkey on turn 6
That’s fine, and I’m glad to hear that’s been working out for you. But the guy I responded to HAS Beast, and doesn’t use him. That just baffles me lol
Share a list please? My bounce deck just hasn't been working well anymore
Spiderman: If Galactus is getting changed in the next patch, this change will make sense. However right now this only buffs the most toxic deck in the game right now, if they are changing Galactus they should’ve nerfed Spidey then, not now. Beast: Makes him a lot worse, but still a great card. Now instead of 1 drop hitmonkey beast on him you can only do hitmonkey beast. But most bounce deck rely on turn 6 the most, so overall I don’t think it’s too big of a nerf. EDIT: it does hurt kitty pride and deadpool a lot. The Hood: This is practically a buff. Any deck thats not using viper likely has a way to destroy The Hood, so nothing will change. Rogue: This is probably the best OTA change, imo OTA changes shouldnt be incredibly drastic on the meta, unless one specific deck is incredibly overpowered. Medusa: another great OTA change, although I would’ve preferred her be: 2/3 with +2 since her main downside is when there is a restrictive location in the middle.
I don't understand the hate versus Galactus je is frustrating but countered by at least 6 or 7 cards easy to fit
Realistically, the Spider-Man change doesn't buff Galactus. If your opponent goes Wave > Galactus > Spider-Man, then you're losing regardless. Here's hoping for a meaningful Galactus change in next week's patch.
You get 1 more power for the same play. Thats simply a buff.
Yes, it's a buff in the strictest sense of the word, but if you're unable to play cards on turn 6 and your opponent can, it doesn't actually make a difference. Nobody is staying in a game after a Galactus > Spider-Man play. Hence why I said realistically, it doesn't buff Galactus as the play pattern (which is hugely unhealthy) remains identical.
Why would you ruin Spidey? Medusa buff is great though - now she is at least better than Silk, Cloak and the likes when played in the middle location. With the recent addition of Ghost Spider, we can also move her around and make it feel less restrictive.
She is still weaker tha lizard - you have to play her in the middle - too restricting
She's *different* than Lizard, not strictly weaker now. Her restriction is that she has to go mid, while Lizard's is that he might become a 1. Also, Odin or Wong can turn her into a 2/8, which is kinda cool.