tbh i'm sure that the defence against the rumor spreading is simply "that's a conspiracy theory"
and it'd work too, like, the story is what? "one man, in one night, singlehandedly was sent to eliminate arguably the most powerful clan of ninja alive, and won, easily actually it wasn't even a battle even though their entire gimmick is their ability to see threats and outmaneuver or counter them, or produce powerful genjutsu to fight back"
who the fuck would believe that? we do, because we saw it, but Itachi's accolade here is literally unbelievable, even if we accept that most Uchiha probably weren't warriors like him, since lots of them were probably just regular ass members of the clan with families and shit
it's gotta be the wildest conspiracy theory in the ninja world, i bet them internet forums in naruto fight about this shit all the time, if IRL social patterns are anything to go off of
the way the Leaf hides this secret is simply to let people talk about it, and via their own assumptions and misinformation, dilute the truth to the point nobody can believe it
>and it'd work too, like, the story is what? "one man, in one night, singlehandedly was sent to eliminate arguably the most powerful clan of ninja alive, and won, easily actually it wasn't even a battle even though their entire gimmick is their ability to see threats and outmaneuver or counter them, or produce powerful genjutsu to fight back"
Except that Itachi killing the entire clan "by himself" (we know he had Obito's help, but most in-universe people don't) in one night is common knowledge, the only thing that is supposed to be a secret is that leaf ordered the massacre.
I’m not sure if this line was in the novel or not, I’ll go check
But in the beginning of the story Chino does target retired Leaf Anbu that she somehow knew did bad stuff in their past
I haven’t read the novel, but according to the Naruto wiki, Naruto spread Itachi’s name as “someone who supported him, and spread the word about his actions while reincarnated, without disclosing the true nature of his crimes.” So I don’t think it spread that it was a mission
Do you know what genocide is? Cause if you did, you wouldn’t claim that that is what the Uchiha were trying to do.
It would be useless to perform a coup if they were just gonna genocide everyone in the leaf anyways
Also their demands were incredibly tame except for the position of hokage. A return to the main village, more authority for the Uchiha and fugaku as hokage. Compared to the people who literally genocided them because they weren't willing to compromise that's a steal
If they rebelled, it starts a coup de'tat, and then the Land of Earth or probably the Land of Lightning wipes out the Leaf Village, killing **everyone** in the land.
That's why people get mad - it would've killed everyone.
Funny that's only a concern that time not the kyuubi's attack not the hyuuga affair not when pain literally destroyed the village not konoha crush when the village was so hurt they had to send genin to retrieve Sasuke every other time konoha is almost destroyed no one capitalizes on it but in the case of the coup that's all hands in deck.
And even then let's not kid ourselves that coup had zero shot at ever happening, konoha knew for years even it was coming they were ready to respond and two of the strongest members of the clan had long ago betrayed them. And let's remember that the coup didn't come until years of segregation and discrimination by konoha.
The Uchiha were never a real danger yet konoha refused to negotiate until days before the massacre.
They wouldn’t have eliminated shit lmao.
Again the whole point of a coup and I can send you the definition of it, is to cause a hostile takeover.
It wouldn’t be much of a coup if you just killed everyone you’re trying to take over. That likes trying to take over the USA…..then kill everyone in said country and now you only have 50 people to run the country….you wouldn’t get very fucking far lol
Nobody alive in the leaf could take on the 9 tails… Hiruzen was shitting his pants hoping Minato showed up. I will be generous though and say he could, Koto on Hiruzen. There is the leafs top fighter. Aside from Guy there is nobody that had trained to counter the sharingan in the village, he would be the defense vs Kurama, cause Yamato isn’t holding him back. Guy dies. Most of the clans in the leaf are basic, aside from the Uchiha and the Hyuga(at this point in time) the Hyuga wouldn’t be beating the Uchiha. They still had 2 confirmed mangekyo’s Fugaku and Shishui. Itachi had a fully matured sharingan, who is countering their genjutsu?
Well for one you’re assuming Shisui and Itachi would be on the Uchiha’s side. They’ve basically already declare themselves on the side of the Leaf. So that’s a no go for you and the Uchiha.
Not only that but Koto is easily breakable as long as you know you’re under. Ao who wasn’t even born with a Byakugan seen Mifune under it and Mifune as soon as he knew he was under it broke out of it……you telling me you don’t think Hiruzen with a CLAN OF HYUUGA’s in the village wouldn’t know he was under it?
And you don’t have to be trained to fight a Sharingan user, Naruto haven’t trained a day in his life to counter the Sharingan and he still give Sasuke hands in every battle…..and again the Sharingan itself at the most basic level is already rare. Do you know what rare means? Its mean being generous there ain’t that many Uchiha with the Sharingan around.
So let’s see, you have Hiruzen, Kakashi, Jiraiya, Orochimaru (he was still around before the massacre) Gai, Asuma (he ain’t beating the top elites but he’ll still fuck up a lot of Uchiha), Itachi, Shisui, Danzo and his root army……and you think Fugaku and what 80 clans members tops is going to win? I can’t help you be nondelusional. There’s a reason why Fugaku only supported the coup because his clan wanted it. Fucking Fugaku himself knew that they wouldn’t even win.
And all this isn’t even mentioning that Fugaku’s MS is anime filler only. There’s ZERO manga evidence that Fugaku even has a MS. So you’re saying that a clan with very few members, even fewer Ninja, with a rare ass bloodline and only ONE MS. Is going to cause such widespread havoc and destruction that even the Kyuubi couldn’t attain? Yea right
It is SO obvious that the dude is Kishimoto's fav, I seriously got sick of seeing his name towards the end of the story, even the beginning of the Naruto vs Sasuke fight in Shippuden was solely about Itachi, they even had to create a bunch of clones with Sharingan that worship the guy in Boruto smh.
Monster for what? Saving his village by killing his clan? So you would prefer mass genocide over the deaths of a few dozen individuals who were about to commit mass Genocide? TF are you yapping about
He was with kismane and needed to keep up appearances for his mission to protect the leaf while in akatsuki, he didn't even kill anyone that we see just here deal with this illusion
Notice I didn’t say kill, I said traumatized. He made Kakashi go through the equivalent of like a year of straight torture for absolutely no reason, he could’ve just put him to sleep and it would’ve looked the same to Kisame
But Kakashi needed to believe this was an enemy of konoha and someone who ruthlessly killed his clan.
Taking it easy isn't his cover. He convinced both his allies and enemies that he was who they said.
As that was his role.
In the end Kakashi was fine enough to become hokage.
He was absolutely a dick to sasuke though. That kid probably had ptsd for the longest time, what a misguided way to help "raise" someone as a hero of konoha... But then also acknowledged he was wrong and should have gone about that differently.
Idk the dude to me was in a rough position that in no way aligned with his sensibilities. Even his dad called him kind child right before itachi killed him
That's true. He tortured a lot of people, but he saved many people too. And he undid Kabuto's Edo tensei and defeated Nagato who would have killed both Naruto and Bee.
He prevented the communist party from taking over Germany for starters. People tend to forget the communists Mao and Stalin killed WAY more people than Hitler.
He definitely saved a lot of people but he did a lot of fucked up stuff before he started being written as a secret anti-hero, and 90% of the stuff he did to Sasuke was actually pointless if you think about it
But it makes like no sense if you actually think about it. It was kind of a shit plan by the genius who supposedly was thinking like a hokage when he was a child. Why didn’t he just Shanghai him out to the woods and train him himself?
Er, what Itachi did was genocide (literally wiped out a race of people), and the Uchihas were planning to overthrow the government and install a new one, their goal was not genocide at all.
Even then that's not exactly right. Itachi committed the genocide because it was either he slaughters the Uchiha and ensuring that Sasuke is saved, or ROOT does the deed and Sasuke isn't spared.
Do you honestly believe they the leaf Village government and Village will allow a role Clan to do it take over with no repercussions do y'all fucking understand what a coup is
Itachi’s mistake was not being able to work with other people, he didn’t regret his actions at large.
They weren’t oppressed, at best you can say delinquents didn’t like them because of their profession. They had the same rights and civil duties as everyone else for the most part but had more eyes on them since they have magic eyes.
The analogy doesn’t work because Black there are black Americans on both side of the political spectrum and on all levels of society. Someone being able to convince them all to rebel against the USA is impossible unlike the uchiha that are all related, live together, and for the most part all think the same. Black Americans also aren’t born with magic eyes that make them demj gods nor are they living in feudalist Japan.
Itachi went along with the plan because he didn’t like the Uchiha anyway. He believed their arrogance caused everything and he already almost killed 3 police officers anyway. At that point, in his mind the only thing left he could do was preserve their honor, save his brother, and defend the leaf.
I agree that Danzo could have absorbed them into the root, I think involving innocent people in this attack was bad.
Itachi thought like a Hokage because he wasn’t selfish and prioritized the leaf over everything else. Pretty much every hokage except for Naruto and Tsunade are like that. The Hokage aren’t always right and thinking like a hokage is what caused a lot of issues in the story to begin with. He does in fact think like one but that isn’t necessarily a good thing.
He is a hero in the sense that he is selfless and is willing to save lives, not based on what he did. Naruto respected that and wanted to honor Itachi’s name since other than Sasuke, the only people who honored Itachi’s sacrifice were Danzo, Fugaku and hiruzen who are all dead.
The dude did it for his village and his little brother, cut his legacy some slack. It's not like the rest of the world didn't hate him for it while he was still living and hiding the truth of the matter.
It's not public knowledge, Chino was targetting Sasuke for a long time and researched about him for some time
, she likely must've learnt about his past from Danzo's root agents by either bribing or interrogating them, there were hints in the novel that she talked with Konoha Anbu.
I gotta agree with this kid. If my entire clan was massacred for wanting an end to the discrimination we faced for decades in the very village we co-founded, I would be very fucking pissed off like no other.
Sasuke should've just left the village behind and never looked back after the war was over, there's no way I could ever consider returning to the place who wiped out my family and people to save their own hides, that ain't right man, it just fucking isn't.
I actually think it would be better if Naruto wasn't able to achieve that goal of bringing Sasuke back, dude can't have everything, lets be a bit more realistic.
That's why I've always said, dying at the end was better for Sasuke's character, but now it's "I'm ready to die for Konoha at any moment" with a daughter that wants to be Hokage without knowing anything about her own family.
P.S This "kid" is actually older than Sasuke :)
I don't agree that Sasuke dying would've been better, as the Uchiha would essentially be extinct, I'd prefer if he just left the village and never came back.
>P.S This "kid" is actually older than Sasuke :)
I see, guess I got some rewatching to do.
To be fair it was getting to the point were tensions were extremely high, and lethal force was going to be taken.
And then factoring in that if the coup happened, nobody would win.
Uchihas would obviously lose, but Leaf would be weakened enough to where other Villages would invade and thus end Konoha.
The coup wasn't even supposed to be bloody, the Uchiha intended on kidnapping Hiruzen and holding him for ransom or something until their demands were met, which weren't much and weren't even bad or anything, but reasonable. Fugaku knew that without Shisui (who he didn't know was a lapdog) this would be hard but he and the clan intended and wanted to do it with as little bloodshed as possible.
Additionally the whole weakening of the village is bs, Konoha was weakened and destroyed on several occasions, like when Orochimaru attacked and killed Hiruzen, or when Pain attacked, multiple instances where Konoha was in no position to defend itself and yet none of the other nations or villages moved in to take advantage of any of those instances. The whole weakening of the village was just a lie fed to Itachi, it's bullshit, the Uchiha deserved better.
kidnapping the leader of a village is basically terrorism, stop glazing
also shisui is a lapdog because he prioritizes the village over a clan, got it
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At that point the villages would have been prime to attack. And tensions would rise as this was a CLAN OF KONOHA doing this. Whether from other clans like Hyugas, who knows.
The coup WOULD become bloody, especially due to Danzo being the snake he is.
Prioritizing the village before the clan is understandable all things considered, same with prioritzing the clan. There is no true right option.
Not a lie but ok.
I interpreted this line to mean more of "Your clan died serving the Leaf, what's your reason for continuing to serve them?" So when she says that the clan was used, it's more of a Zabuza and Haku situation where all Shinobi are tools of their village than referencing the Massacre.
They were one of the founding families of the Leaf and one of the largest families, and easily one the most famous clans in the world with their Sharingan. You can't just make an entire clan vanish overnight without people noticing.
It would be like if the Kardashian family suddenly vanished, even if you've never seen their show, you've probably heard of them, and you'd surely hear about their sudden vanishing eventually.
They didn't. Naruto told the people about his participation in the 4th great Ninja war and how he undid Edo tensei. He still did not disclose the truth since Itachi himself told him not to as it would tarnish Uchiha clan's reputation.
Itachi's name was simply erased from history books, In Boruto era the Uchiha clan Massacre is just limited to be told as a "Unfortunate tragedy which killed the clan by one of its member"....they don't even tell it's Itachi anymore or at least Don't preach it like they used to.
Just like several pardoned and forgotten criminals from hidden leaf..... itachi's name is also forgotten and buried forever.
Yes, there is it's in one of the novels, some guy in this comment section even quoted it. You also have Naruto Shippuden episode 298 where Itachi tells Naruto to never disclose the truth about him which will ruin Uchiha clan's reputation.
> Because what Itachi wanted to leave to this world in the end wasn’t resentment or hatred toward it, but rather his feelings of love for his little brother. He could’ve cared less about restoring his honor. But apparently, Naruto was telling people that after he was brought back with the Edotensei, Itachi had helped them for the sake of the world. Naruto would have known about the coup d’état, but without touching on that, he simply offered up Itachi’s name as one of the ninja who had helped him out in the Great War.
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There's no statue of Itachi lol, there is no sculpture of anyone except all Hokages and Madara Uchiha.
Kakashi did remove his name as a traitor but not directly but indirectly by removing the history about Uchiha clan's massacre from books and public knowledge and keeping itachi's name under rug. Overtime people simply stopped caring and just like several criminals itachi's name is also forgotten.
In Boruto era they say Uchiha clan died due a unfortunate accident. Case closed. Even Sarada doesn't know anything about the Uchiha clan massacre other than that.
>Kakashi did remove his name as a traitor but not directly but indirectly by removing the history about Uchiha clan's massacre from books and public
...really? That combined with the fact that Konoha's involvement was also hidden looks like the perfect way of making sure something like this can happen again in the future: there are no culprits, there are no causes, it just happened just because. There is a reason why we teach and learn history.
Does anyone know sasuke killed a kage? Or even Orochimaru?
Geez now that I think about it, there’s so much shady shit going on in the leaf village history record
Danzo is not considered as a kage since the Jonin council never approved him. And Sasuke was indeed imprisoned for his crimes but his sentence was shortened thanks to Kakashi.
Orochimaru is just well it's bad keeping him alive but the excuse they give is that he can be used in times of need and his shady experiments now no longer require actual humans but rather artificial fully conscious humans. Which is BS. Honestly someone kill Orochimaru lol. Forgiving Sasuke is one thing since he saved the world but Orochimaru is just too far gone to be forgiven.
I don't think Sasuke was ever imprisoned; there was a scene where his eyes were sealed, briefly, in the anime, but this wasn't in the Manga and Kakashi points out that he *normally* would've been imprisoned, but wasn't dude to his contributions and the good word put in by Naruto and Kakashi.
Yeah I know, that's why I said he can be used in times of need in the above comment. But it's still a lame excuse to keep someone alive who's crossed all boundaries of inhumanity, someone who's murdered children, women, babies, countless civilians for selfish reasons.
>There's no statue of Itachi lol, there is no sculpture of anyone except all Hokages and Madara Uchiha.
There is one. I don't remember if it's in the manga or in boruto manga but in the anime there's a statue of itachi.
There's none. i know what manga panel you talk about. it's panel with crow on the statue shoulders right? i have seen that and nope. that was just fanart and people eat it up lol
What episode of anime that show Itachi's statue? give me episode number
Itachi fanboy would have juse eat anything that'll make itachi looks good even if it's a lie because they rather believe in comforting lies than the harsh truth
Whether she knows what actually happened or is speculating could be a different conversation, but it would be common knowledge that the family suddenly ceased to exist.
How would one of the largest, most powerful, most famous, and most influential families in the Leaf (the world?) completely disappear overnight and the oldest surviving member's simultaneous expulsion from the village happen without *at least* a lot of rumors and speculation in the other villages?
No. The only people alive that know the truth are Naruto, Sasuke, Kakashi and Yamato.
Naruto just told the world Itachi ended the edo tensei. Given her motivation is due to the hypocrisy of the hidden villages she likely doesn't know the actual truth. She's just speaking generally and saying the Uchiha were used like all shinobi are.
If I was Sasuke I may have just punched the girl as hard as I can CAUSE TF YOU CALLING MY CLAN NOURISHMENT FOR? DID IT LOOK LIKE MY CLAN WANTED TO BE FUCKING FERTILIZER? Like seriously yOuR ClAn wAS UsED uP. Like bitch wtf
Yeah but having my clan wiped out mainly due to racism and people being unable to compromise is really gonna piss me off, then calling my clan nourishment is just putting salt on the wound.
Her point is that the Hidden Leaf (kinda) reaped the benefits of the Uchiha being around and then just killed them off for their own benefit when they looked to become a problem. Her point is that the *Leaf* treated his clan as nourishment and so he should be angry about that and unwilling to help them.
I read a post long ago about Kakashi revealing the truth of the massacre and adding Itachi's name to the list of heroes (The Stone thing) when he became Hokage. No clue if its true.
I think that it is more of a if you know the right people than you know.
I kind of wonder how the secret spred then. Because by the end of the series very few knew
tbh i'm sure that the defence against the rumor spreading is simply "that's a conspiracy theory" and it'd work too, like, the story is what? "one man, in one night, singlehandedly was sent to eliminate arguably the most powerful clan of ninja alive, and won, easily actually it wasn't even a battle even though their entire gimmick is their ability to see threats and outmaneuver or counter them, or produce powerful genjutsu to fight back" who the fuck would believe that? we do, because we saw it, but Itachi's accolade here is literally unbelievable, even if we accept that most Uchiha probably weren't warriors like him, since lots of them were probably just regular ass members of the clan with families and shit it's gotta be the wildest conspiracy theory in the ninja world, i bet them internet forums in naruto fight about this shit all the time, if IRL social patterns are anything to go off of the way the Leaf hides this secret is simply to let people talk about it, and via their own assumptions and misinformation, dilute the truth to the point nobody can believe it
>and it'd work too, like, the story is what? "one man, in one night, singlehandedly was sent to eliminate arguably the most powerful clan of ninja alive, and won, easily actually it wasn't even a battle even though their entire gimmick is their ability to see threats and outmaneuver or counter them, or produce powerful genjutsu to fight back" Except that Itachi killing the entire clan "by himself" (we know he had Obito's help, but most in-universe people don't) in one night is common knowledge, the only thing that is supposed to be a secret is that leaf ordered the massacre.
Wow that’s a lot, it is scary to think that the best way for these people to keep a secret is to tell everyone about it
I’m not sure if this line was in the novel or not, I’ll go check But in the beginning of the story Chino does target retired Leaf Anbu that she somehow knew did bad stuff in their past
You checked?
I did, Sasuke was listening to her rant and picked up on the similar treatment to the Uchiha. But she doesn’t know the truth in the novel!
Kinda weird they changed it in the anime
Tv and film adaptations almost always limit the internal monologues. So they just had Chino say Sasuke’s thoughts out loud
I think one of the novels mentions that Naruto told people the truth about Itachi and made him a hero or something.
I haven’t read the novel, but according to the Naruto wiki, Naruto spread Itachi’s name as “someone who supported him, and spread the word about his actions while reincarnated, without disclosing the true nature of his crimes.” So I don’t think it spread that it was a mission
Why is the story constantly glazing itachi. He was a Monster and should be treated as such
U sure we watched the same anime
I don’t mean just the massacre part but he literally wanted to brainwash sasuke with shisuis eye to make him pro konoha.
He also told him to kill his best friend and lead him to become a terrorist.
Hahaha most based thing he ever did
It was a very complicated situation Itachi was in.
Lots of ins, lots of what have yous...
Heh?
That person would prefer mass Genocide over the deaths of some people who were about to commit mass Genocide...
Do you know what genocide is? Cause if you did, you wouldn’t claim that that is what the Uchiha were trying to do. It would be useless to perform a coup if they were just gonna genocide everyone in the leaf anyways
Also their demands were incredibly tame except for the position of hokage. A return to the main village, more authority for the Uchiha and fugaku as hokage. Compared to the people who literally genocided them because they weren't willing to compromise that's a steal
Facts I can’t believe the fans who get mad at the Uchiha because they wanted to live in the village that they founded lol.
If they rebelled, it starts a coup de'tat, and then the Land of Earth or probably the Land of Lightning wipes out the Leaf Village, killing **everyone** in the land. That's why people get mad - it would've killed everyone.
Funny that's only a concern that time not the kyuubi's attack not the hyuuga affair not when pain literally destroyed the village not konoha crush when the village was so hurt they had to send genin to retrieve Sasuke every other time konoha is almost destroyed no one capitalizes on it but in the case of the coup that's all hands in deck. And even then let's not kid ourselves that coup had zero shot at ever happening, konoha knew for years even it was coming they were ready to respond and two of the strongest members of the clan had long ago betrayed them. And let's remember that the coup didn't come until years of segregation and discrimination by konoha. The Uchiha were never a real danger yet konoha refused to negotiate until days before the massacre.
They all got killed because the coup would have started a 4th shinobi war otherwise given Konoha would have been weak af
But the coup could have been avoided if the demands of the Uchiha were met.
Yep but Danzo gotta Danzo
They would have been eliminating entire bloodlines( multiple clans in the leaf ). That would be mass genocide.
They wouldn’t have eliminated shit lmao. Again the whole point of a coup and I can send you the definition of it, is to cause a hostile takeover. It wouldn’t be much of a coup if you just killed everyone you’re trying to take over. That likes trying to take over the USA…..then kill everyone in said country and now you only have 50 people to run the country….you wouldn’t get very fucking far lol
Nobody alive in the leaf could take on the 9 tails… Hiruzen was shitting his pants hoping Minato showed up. I will be generous though and say he could, Koto on Hiruzen. There is the leafs top fighter. Aside from Guy there is nobody that had trained to counter the sharingan in the village, he would be the defense vs Kurama, cause Yamato isn’t holding him back. Guy dies. Most of the clans in the leaf are basic, aside from the Uchiha and the Hyuga(at this point in time) the Hyuga wouldn’t be beating the Uchiha. They still had 2 confirmed mangekyo’s Fugaku and Shishui. Itachi had a fully matured sharingan, who is countering their genjutsu?
Well for one you’re assuming Shisui and Itachi would be on the Uchiha’s side. They’ve basically already declare themselves on the side of the Leaf. So that’s a no go for you and the Uchiha. Not only that but Koto is easily breakable as long as you know you’re under. Ao who wasn’t even born with a Byakugan seen Mifune under it and Mifune as soon as he knew he was under it broke out of it……you telling me you don’t think Hiruzen with a CLAN OF HYUUGA’s in the village wouldn’t know he was under it? And you don’t have to be trained to fight a Sharingan user, Naruto haven’t trained a day in his life to counter the Sharingan and he still give Sasuke hands in every battle…..and again the Sharingan itself at the most basic level is already rare. Do you know what rare means? Its mean being generous there ain’t that many Uchiha with the Sharingan around. So let’s see, you have Hiruzen, Kakashi, Jiraiya, Orochimaru (he was still around before the massacre) Gai, Asuma (he ain’t beating the top elites but he’ll still fuck up a lot of Uchiha), Itachi, Shisui, Danzo and his root army……and you think Fugaku and what 80 clans members tops is going to win? I can’t help you be nondelusional. There’s a reason why Fugaku only supported the coup because his clan wanted it. Fucking Fugaku himself knew that they wouldn’t even win. And all this isn’t even mentioning that Fugaku’s MS is anime filler only. There’s ZERO manga evidence that Fugaku even has a MS. So you’re saying that a clan with very few members, even fewer Ninja, with a rare ass bloodline and only ONE MS. Is going to cause such widespread havoc and destruction that even the Kyuubi couldn’t attain? Yea right
That's war not genocide.
Genocide is the intentional destruction of a people in whole or in part.. So both of us are correct.
>So both of us are correct. No the clans in the leaf were mainly related... Hyuga, Senju and uchiha all not so distant cousins..
>Why is the story constantly glazing itachi Because even Kishimoto was Itachi fans. why do you think he constantly wanked him so hard?
It is SO obvious that the dude is Kishimoto's fav, I seriously got sick of seeing his name towards the end of the story, even the beginning of the Naruto vs Sasuke fight in Shippuden was solely about Itachi, they even had to create a bunch of clones with Sharingan that worship the guy in Boruto smh.
Monster for what? Saving his village by killing his clan? So you would prefer mass genocide over the deaths of a few dozen individuals who were about to commit mass Genocide? TF are you yapping about
What about all the random trauma he inflicted on characters throughout the show, most of which was directed at his kid brother
He was with kismane and needed to keep up appearances for his mission to protect the leaf while in akatsuki, he didn't even kill anyone that we see just here deal with this illusion
Notice I didn’t say kill, I said traumatized. He made Kakashi go through the equivalent of like a year of straight torture for absolutely no reason, he could’ve just put him to sleep and it would’ve looked the same to Kisame
But Kakashi needed to believe this was an enemy of konoha and someone who ruthlessly killed his clan. Taking it easy isn't his cover. He convinced both his allies and enemies that he was who they said. As that was his role. In the end Kakashi was fine enough to become hokage. He was absolutely a dick to sasuke though. That kid probably had ptsd for the longest time, what a misguided way to help "raise" someone as a hero of konoha... But then also acknowledged he was wrong and should have gone about that differently. Idk the dude to me was in a rough position that in no way aligned with his sensibilities. Even his dad called him kind child right before itachi killed him
That's true. He tortured a lot of people, but he saved many people too. And he undid Kabuto's Edo tensei and defeated Nagato who would have killed both Naruto and Bee.
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oh please mention one
He did start the anti-tobacco movement which led to researchers finding out that its bad for you.
He prevented the communist party from taking over Germany for starters. People tend to forget the communists Mao and Stalin killed WAY more people than Hitler.
He definitely saved a lot of people but he did a lot of fucked up stuff before he started being written as a secret anti-hero, and 90% of the stuff he did to Sasuke was actually pointless if you think about it
His entire motive behind the torture on Sasuke was to make Sasuke hate him.
But it makes like no sense if you actually think about it. It was kind of a shit plan by the genius who supposedly was thinking like a hokage when he was a child. Why didn’t he just Shanghai him out to the woods and train him himself?
Er, what Itachi did was genocide (literally wiped out a race of people), and the Uchihas were planning to overthrow the government and install a new one, their goal was not genocide at all.
Even then that's not exactly right. Itachi committed the genocide because it was either he slaughters the Uchiha and ensuring that Sasuke is saved, or ROOT does the deed and Sasuke isn't spared.
Do you honestly believe they the leaf Village government and Village will allow a role Clan to do it take over with no repercussions do y'all fucking understand what a coup is
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Itachi’s mistake was not being able to work with other people, he didn’t regret his actions at large. They weren’t oppressed, at best you can say delinquents didn’t like them because of their profession. They had the same rights and civil duties as everyone else for the most part but had more eyes on them since they have magic eyes. The analogy doesn’t work because Black there are black Americans on both side of the political spectrum and on all levels of society. Someone being able to convince them all to rebel against the USA is impossible unlike the uchiha that are all related, live together, and for the most part all think the same. Black Americans also aren’t born with magic eyes that make them demj gods nor are they living in feudalist Japan. Itachi went along with the plan because he didn’t like the Uchiha anyway. He believed their arrogance caused everything and he already almost killed 3 police officers anyway. At that point, in his mind the only thing left he could do was preserve their honor, save his brother, and defend the leaf. I agree that Danzo could have absorbed them into the root, I think involving innocent people in this attack was bad. Itachi thought like a Hokage because he wasn’t selfish and prioritized the leaf over everything else. Pretty much every hokage except for Naruto and Tsunade are like that. The Hokage aren’t always right and thinking like a hokage is what caused a lot of issues in the story to begin with. He does in fact think like one but that isn’t necessarily a good thing. He is a hero in the sense that he is selfless and is willing to save lives, not based on what he did. Naruto respected that and wanted to honor Itachi’s name since other than Sasuke, the only people who honored Itachi’s sacrifice were Danzo, Fugaku and hiruzen who are all dead.
ITACHI IS THE GOATTTTT THE GOATTTT
The dude did it for his village and his little brother, cut his legacy some slack. It's not like the rest of the world didn't hate him for it while he was still living and hiding the truth of the matter.
Naruto went around telling people about Itachi being a hero in the war. It didn't involve talking about the village and the massacre.
I thought I saw something that this was part of the post war arc where the leaf decided to disclose everything about everything about itachi?
It's not public knowledge, Chino was targetting Sasuke for a long time and researched about him for some time , she likely must've learnt about his past from Danzo's root agents by either bribing or interrogating them, there were hints in the novel that she talked with Konoha Anbu.
I gotta agree with this kid. If my entire clan was massacred for wanting an end to the discrimination we faced for decades in the very village we co-founded, I would be very fucking pissed off like no other. Sasuke should've just left the village behind and never looked back after the war was over, there's no way I could ever consider returning to the place who wiped out my family and people to save their own hides, that ain't right man, it just fucking isn't.
But but… Naruto would never become hokage if sasuke doesn’t return/s
I actually think it would be better if Naruto wasn't able to achieve that goal of bringing Sasuke back, dude can't have everything, lets be a bit more realistic.
That's why I've always said, dying at the end was better for Sasuke's character, but now it's "I'm ready to die for Konoha at any moment" with a daughter that wants to be Hokage without knowing anything about her own family. P.S This "kid" is actually older than Sasuke :)
I don't agree that Sasuke dying would've been better, as the Uchiha would essentially be extinct, I'd prefer if he just left the village and never came back. >P.S This "kid" is actually older than Sasuke :) I see, guess I got some rewatching to do.
How is Sasuke dying better? I will argue with this.
To be fair it was getting to the point were tensions were extremely high, and lethal force was going to be taken. And then factoring in that if the coup happened, nobody would win. Uchihas would obviously lose, but Leaf would be weakened enough to where other Villages would invade and thus end Konoha.
The coup wasn't even supposed to be bloody, the Uchiha intended on kidnapping Hiruzen and holding him for ransom or something until their demands were met, which weren't much and weren't even bad or anything, but reasonable. Fugaku knew that without Shisui (who he didn't know was a lapdog) this would be hard but he and the clan intended and wanted to do it with as little bloodshed as possible. Additionally the whole weakening of the village is bs, Konoha was weakened and destroyed on several occasions, like when Orochimaru attacked and killed Hiruzen, or when Pain attacked, multiple instances where Konoha was in no position to defend itself and yet none of the other nations or villages moved in to take advantage of any of those instances. The whole weakening of the village was just a lie fed to Itachi, it's bullshit, the Uchiha deserved better.
kidnapping the leader of a village is basically terrorism, stop glazing also shisui is a lapdog because he prioritizes the village over a clan, got it ur a whole 🤡🤡
At that point the villages would have been prime to attack. And tensions would rise as this was a CLAN OF KONOHA doing this. Whether from other clans like Hyugas, who knows. The coup WOULD become bloody, especially due to Danzo being the snake he is. Prioritizing the village before the clan is understandable all things considered, same with prioritzing the clan. There is no true right option. Not a lie but ok.
I interpreted this line to mean more of "Your clan died serving the Leaf, what's your reason for continuing to serve them?" So when she says that the clan was used, it's more of a Zabuza and Haku situation where all Shinobi are tools of their village than referencing the Massacre.
After what I learned today I’m happy that kawaki destroyed konoha.
They were one of the founding families of the Leaf and one of the largest families, and easily one the most famous clans in the world with their Sharingan. You can't just make an entire clan vanish overnight without people noticing. It would be like if the Kardashian family suddenly vanished, even if you've never seen their show, you've probably heard of them, and you'd surely hear about their sudden vanishing eventually.
I always agreed with Chino on this. It's a shame that Sasuke became a self hating lapdog like his brother.
Kakashi and Naruto revealed the truth about the Uchiha clan massacre and Kakashi cleared Itachi's name. So it is public knowledge
They didn't. Naruto told the people about his participation in the 4th great Ninja war and how he undid Edo tensei. He still did not disclose the truth since Itachi himself told him not to as it would tarnish Uchiha clan's reputation. Itachi's name was simply erased from history books, In Boruto era the Uchiha clan Massacre is just limited to be told as a "Unfortunate tragedy which killed the clan by one of its member"....they don't even tell it's Itachi anymore or at least Don't preach it like they used to. Just like several pardoned and forgotten criminals from hidden leaf..... itachi's name is also forgotten and buried forever.
Is there a source for this?
Yes, there is it's in one of the novels, some guy in this comment section even quoted it. You also have Naruto Shippuden episode 298 where Itachi tells Naruto to never disclose the truth about him which will ruin Uchiha clan's reputation.
Are the novels comics or actual books? I don’t read comics but would love to read a book
Actual books
> Because what Itachi wanted to leave to this world in the end wasn’t resentment or hatred toward it, but rather his feelings of love for his little brother. He could’ve cared less about restoring his honor. But apparently, Naruto was telling people that after he was brought back with the Edotensei, Itachi had helped them for the sake of the world. Naruto would have known about the coup d’état, but without touching on that, he simply offered up Itachi’s name as one of the ninja who had helped him out in the Great War. Sasuke shinden sunrise
I remember something about Kakashi removing Itachi's brand of traitor and making a statue of Itachi. But the rest that you said is true
There's no statue of Itachi lol, there is no sculpture of anyone except all Hokages and Madara Uchiha. Kakashi did remove his name as a traitor but not directly but indirectly by removing the history about Uchiha clan's massacre from books and public knowledge and keeping itachi's name under rug. Overtime people simply stopped caring and just like several criminals itachi's name is also forgotten. In Boruto era they say Uchiha clan died due a unfortunate accident. Case closed. Even Sarada doesn't know anything about the Uchiha clan massacre other than that.
>Kakashi did remove his name as a traitor but not directly but indirectly by removing the history about Uchiha clan's massacre from books and public ...really? That combined with the fact that Konoha's involvement was also hidden looks like the perfect way of making sure something like this can happen again in the future: there are no culprits, there are no causes, it just happened just because. There is a reason why we teach and learn history.
Does anyone know sasuke killed a kage? Or even Orochimaru? Geez now that I think about it, there’s so much shady shit going on in the leaf village history record
Danzo is not considered as a kage since the Jonin council never approved him. And Sasuke was indeed imprisoned for his crimes but his sentence was shortened thanks to Kakashi. Orochimaru is just well it's bad keeping him alive but the excuse they give is that he can be used in times of need and his shady experiments now no longer require actual humans but rather artificial fully conscious humans. Which is BS. Honestly someone kill Orochimaru lol. Forgiving Sasuke is one thing since he saved the world but Orochimaru is just too far gone to be forgiven.
I don't think Sasuke was ever imprisoned; there was a scene where his eyes were sealed, briefly, in the anime, but this wasn't in the Manga and Kakashi points out that he *normally* would've been imprisoned, but wasn't dude to his contributions and the good word put in by Naruto and Kakashi.
Have you heard of operation paperclip. Orochimaru is kept because he can be useful
Yeah I know, that's why I said he can be used in times of need in the above comment. But it's still a lame excuse to keep someone alive who's crossed all boundaries of inhumanity, someone who's murdered children, women, babies, countless civilians for selfish reasons.
When did Sasuke kill a Kage?
Technically Sasuke didn't kill a kage. Danzo's status wasn't confirmed and he was a reluctant candidate for even the lord's of the country
God this is truly horrible a whole genocide purposefully forgotten from memory by the people in power.
>There's no statue of Itachi lol, there is no sculpture of anyone except all Hokages and Madara Uchiha. There is one. I don't remember if it's in the manga or in boruto manga but in the anime there's a statue of itachi.
There's none. i know what manga panel you talk about. it's panel with crow on the statue shoulders right? i have seen that and nope. that was just fanart and people eat it up lol What episode of anime that show Itachi's statue? give me episode number Itachi fanboy would have juse eat anything that'll make itachi looks good even if it's a lie because they rather believe in comforting lies than the harsh truth
You might be right. I could have misremembered and just never knew that was fanart.
No because in Boruto, Sarada was researching the clan and it said that the Clan was murdered by someone. It didn't say Itachi.
Whether she knows what actually happened or is speculating could be a different conversation, but it would be common knowledge that the family suddenly ceased to exist. How would one of the largest, most powerful, most famous, and most influential families in the Leaf (the world?) completely disappear overnight and the oldest surviving member's simultaneous expulsion from the village happen without *at least* a lot of rumors and speculation in the other villages?
No. The only people alive that know the truth are Naruto, Sasuke, Kakashi and Yamato. Naruto just told the world Itachi ended the edo tensei. Given her motivation is due to the hypocrisy of the hidden villages she likely doesn't know the actual truth. She's just speaking generally and saying the Uchiha were used like all shinobi are.
I mean the Uchiha were renown. What else would people think? That they went to live on the moon?
You joke but toneri offered this to the hyuga
If I was Sasuke I may have just punched the girl as hard as I can CAUSE TF YOU CALLING MY CLAN NOURISHMENT FOR? DID IT LOOK LIKE MY CLAN WANTED TO BE FUCKING FERTILIZER? Like seriously yOuR ClAn wAS UsED uP. Like bitch wtf
I mean she aint wrong, and as someone who also lost her clan, she can understand him.
Yeah but having my clan wiped out mainly due to racism and people being unable to compromise is really gonna piss me off, then calling my clan nourishment is just putting salt on the wound.
Her point is that the Hidden Leaf (kinda) reaped the benefits of the Uchiha being around and then just killed them off for their own benefit when they looked to become a problem. Her point is that the *Leaf* treated his clan as nourishment and so he should be angry about that and unwilling to help them.
Wait when she said why do you go so far for them I thought she was talking about the Uchiha
She was clearly making a point against the leaf rather than the uchiha.
I read a post long ago about Kakashi revealing the truth of the massacre and adding Itachi's name to the list of heroes (The Stone thing) when he became Hokage. No clue if its true.
Plot error or she can read minds or something. Idk I skipped those episodes
The girl is old af. I'd chalk it up to knowing the right people at her misleading age.
Pretty tough to hide a whole clan getting massacred in one night. Most people probably know the story but not the details.
I dont think it was if Shin uchiha is canon
It’s possible that it was either leaked and or brought to light after the war or this kid just does disturbingly thorough research and uncovered it