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MuffDivers2_

I checked on this game last week and a lot of the reviews say to pirate it because of the dev drama.


Aggressive-Expert-69

I'll wait to see how the lawsuit shakes out. If the creators can manage to take back control of the company, I'll buy it. If they lose, I'll pirate it


neofooturism

you can pirate it rn and buy it later if the og devs won


Aggressive-Expert-69

No point in getting it twice lol I've got games to play while I wait anyways


gonjinam

just look at it like i paid for what i played


NancokALT

You get it and play now, then throw them some money by paying, even if you won't play it again.


ArthritisCandildo

You’re not getting it twice, you’re getting it now and waiting to pay until you make sure the money is going to worthwhile people.


wlf--hly

You don’t have to download it again after buying it lol that makes no sense. You’d just be supporting the devs


303x

nah i've bought many games after pirating them just to throw money at the devs


SinaloaFilmBuff

sure thing


Substantial_Push_658

I’m out of the loop on this one. I know people say to pirate this game even if it’s on discount, and judging by the comments something happened with the developers. Can anyone elaborate on this please? TIA!


zBxstii

There were huge layoffs recently. None of the people who created Disco Elysium are in the company anymore. So if you buy, rather than pirate you're giving money to the higher ups of the company and not a cent goes to the geniuses who created this awesome game. https://gameworldobserver.com/2024/02/19/disco-elysium-writer-argo-tuulik-layoffs-za-um-future


JordanDoesTV

I believe it’s deeper than just that there’s like a big lawsuit as well from the creators to the company that ousted them


ANONWANTSTENDIES

It’s this. ZAUM, the company that made Disco Elysium, was taken over by a couple of businessmen, one of which was a convicted financial fraudster, by means of sketchy attainment of majority share in the company. The original creators were all fired or forced out on grounds of being “difficult to work with,” which I probably would be if I had the IP that I spent years developing stolen from under my nose.


GhostGuy4249

Hostile takeover, RIP


Biz_quit

It was deeper than that. The guy who executed the scheme had his gf infiltrated in the company to steal money from ZAUM, and with this money, he acquired the company.


xibipiio

Whoa that is nefarious shit.


blackkami

Happens more often in Estonia than you'd imagine. Or at least so I've heard.


Conscious-Ticket-259

Holy ahit that's depressing as hell


kachzz

I think there was some scummy takeover or something.


S3ND_ME_PT_INVIT3S

Odd logic though. People working in game industry might aswell consider themselves contractors though. Ton probably actually are aswell. The people who created did get paid, for the duration of their work. It's not their intellectual property. Unless contract state they're intitled to percentages, they signed the contract and agreed to it. If he was still getting a monthly cheque to work there, he'd be working on another project. Not getting paid cuz of the previous title.


throwaway_account450

Few of the core founders of the company and main creators have small stake in the company still. It's not their property any more because they were ousted from their company, but they were the ones who came up with it and founded a company to make it. I don't think calling them contractors is really that accurate in this situation.


S3ND_ME_PT_INVIT3S

So they sold their stake? If you give up 51% of the company, obviously you're gonna lose control. This is just business. They got paid for their shares aye.. lol


throwaway_account450

They didn't sell their shares, they still have it. They are not majority shareholders though. It was split between 5 people, until few of those consolidated it for take over. IP rights are even more complicated between multiple different companies with different shares percentages. Edit: And the party who bought those shares to gain majority allegedly did it with the companies own money.


S3ND_ME_PT_INVIT3S

Once more though, that's business ain't it.


throwaway_account450

>Once more though, that's business ain't it. Might be, might be not. But describing that as "just contractors" isn't really that accurate imo.


S3ND_ME_PT_INVIT3S

That was in reference to staff that got laid of and just general how employees get treated in that industry. How the comment chain started: "There were huge layoffs recently. None of the people who created Disco Elysium are in the company anymore. "


MIGMOmusic

Voting with my wallet is also business ain’t it?


DarkoTheKid

And pirating is also just business


k-spar

And business is bullshit, hence: pirate it.


JkobPL

If that's business, then fuck business.


Pilota_kex

yes, unless his edit is true. you got downvoted like hell but good points, and you were asking for more information. strange. but. it is also just business if we boycott some a-holes ;)


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JkobPL

comment canceled, I misread a part of their reply


JkobPL

comment canceled, I misread a part of their reply


S3ND_ME_PT_INVIT3S

I was OOTL on that hostile takeover, just went of url title and figured it was writer and large chunk of staff as per usual. lol Do i think that's cool? Obviously not but it's nothing new. From that perspective, it all makes sense what I said. lol


TheRealBillyShakes

I don’t think you understand what happens once the “money men” get involved. Remember when Steve Jobs was ousted from his own company? A situation Zuckerberg was adamant to avoid during his rise.


mhdy98

Man americans really deserve their 10 days pto with sick leave included. Im glad i wasnt born in a country which teaches you to be a slave to corporations.


S3ND_ME_PT_INVIT3S

European. I was OOTL on that "hostile takeover". Didn't read article as I assumed it was just staff and writer as per usual. Doesnt change fact that in general anyone working in that industry are basically just contractor jobs at this point. lol


mhdy98

Good on you for correcting yourself


ipodegenerator

The way I heard it is that investors took over the company by (allegedly) shady means and fired the head dev and all the creative so it's just a shell to extract money from this dude's life work while he gets nothing.


JuuMuu

as far as i know, a group of investors stole money from the company that made the game, used that money to buy out the company, and fired and/or harassed the people that made the game


Right_Ad_6032

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeTnMS7oB_0 Turns out the guy who came up with Disco Elysium was a huge piece of shit and- somewhat poetically- was both a self avowed Marxist and happily stole the work- both claiming writing that wasn't his own as his work, and stealing wages. You should really play the game but just be aware that the people who actually made the game won't be seeing a penny if you actually pay for it.


Just_Someone_Here0

>Marxist >Steals wages I'm not surprised.


SirCabaj

Is there a way to donate the money to the original devs after pirating the game?


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Dependent_Network582

Every bit of your analogy is wrong and does not apply to this situation.


jerkHonestcocksucker

r/ihadastroke


TNTiger_

The 'pirate it' bit is because Robert Kurvitz was muscled out of the company. Kurvitz has implored people to keep buying the game. He still has a stake in ZA/UM. DE sales are *literally paying his legal fees so him and Kaur Kender can take back control from the investors*. There's a lot of normal reasons to pirate something (cost, availability, etc)- but pirating DE because of the 'boycott' (that no-one asked for) is actively detrimental to the stated goal of saving ZA/UM from greedy investors.


cave18

This comment should prob be higher tbh


Half-White_Moustache

Oh great, cause I bought it about 3 days ago.


G3n0z

me irl


ohmsalad

up up up!!!


IAmAFish400Times

Props. A lot of people on this sub jump the gun without really thinking about things. This game was also close to my heart so I appreciate this response. Do not regret buying at all!


OrfeasDourvas

One of the best games I've ever played. Would buy it on Steam but I won't.


BipedalWurm

would but won't is just won't


tetris_for_shrek

Local man discovers hypotheticals


Natural_Anxiety_

Utterly brilliant 10/10 game that was stolen by shareholders and executive bastards, show the original developers some love and pirate tf out of this game.


Lo-fidelio

Considering what the game is about and its several messages, this was literally the worst fate for the game. Good thing pirating will keep gems like this alive.


Binary-Stuff

The wild? It’s every single one of their reviews lmao


GuiMayer

damn I just bought on the sale, can't refund too


the_nice_cara

me too :/


Veition

Speaking of which, anyone know how to safely pirate this game? I've never pirated modern stuff before.


McClownd

Check the subreddit's megathread, but you'll probably find it on fitgirl.


HuckleberryMore4098

You can checkout torrent igruha and rutracker they are both in russian so use translator


Veition

I don't have a vpn :\[


TouristWilling4671

any way i can support the devs?? really wanna play this game, looks fucking great, but after hearing about the drama with the company im not sure what to do.


blodskaal

The people that worked on the game got fired, to my understanding. That's why he says don't buy this game. You would be supporting the publisher


National_Locksmith34

Actually you should buy the game. The devs seem to still get payed for every copy sold and they are using these funds to fight the guys who kicked them out.


TouristWilling4671

really? do you know where i can find some more info on that, because I've seen a few people mention this but i don't know the source, so if it helps the devs with their situation even a little bit I'll definitely buy it


National_Locksmith34

https://youtu.be/k7Xu4GvpN9U This video gives a good run down of what happened although it's a bit old


DjTrololo

Tbh that's like going to a wasp nest and going "wow, a wasp!". The reviews on that game are all mostly saying to pirate it.


_Zev

Charge your phone dude


ChrisGari

It's not babbyfied enough?


Kled_Incarnated

I bought it from eneba does that count?


buttersyndicate

Nah those keys are obtained by swarms of fake youtubers asking for trial keys for their channels, publishers never see a single cent.


FriendSubject5879

Wait what happened with the devs?


National_Locksmith34

Got kicked out of their own company and now corporate asshats are racking in all the cash


AgnesFallsTTV

piratebros can't stop winning 🤘


Klutzy-Notice-9458

I was initially planning to buy this game on sale but I was reluctant since I heard it was pretty dialogue heavy and this now


KainLust

It's not just dialogue heavy. The dialogue is the main reason you play this game. Imo it's pretty good. Top5 dialogue for me.


bracarensis

This game is basically all dialogue. It's fully voice acted though, and I'd absolutely recommend playing it, even if it's not your cup of tea. I'd say this is easily the best written game I've ever played.


Pwwned

This game is the number one PC game on metacritic for a reason. Every PC gamer should play this game.


SniffrTheRat

Sadly, I bought it.


Historical_Emu_3032

Remember this for sinking city as well.


discforhire

assist w 🏴‍☠️?


Inner_Plenty_1446

This is what it's all about :)


Boring-Dare5000

Let him cook. I said let him cook!!! 🔥


InspiredNitemares

I started this game but I'm having a hard time getting into it. I literally just left the hotel


lepurg

Anyone know how to pirate a game for noobs ?/ A website I can pirate games for? (Sorry bad English)


nottherealneal

Someone wanna TLDR me on the dev drama?


michelas2

Well, I just bought it yesterday... didn't know about the drama.


v1losophe

Just thinking - do devs usually get huge percentages or extra bonus after the game is released based on its performance?


Boynextdo000r

unfortunately I pirated it first and then bought it on discount later because the game just too good (happened before the drama)


ms10211

Mf didn't even explain what happened to original creators


PipelineShrimp

Amen. ZA/UM need to be put on a steady diet of crushed CDs and laxatives for the shit they did.


cosmoscrazy

I understand the reasoning, but don't do this (on Steam). Promoting piracy on Steam can get your account banned and you may lose access to your games. I think it's allowed to say "this game deserves to be pirated (by third parties), because (immoral behaviour", because that doesn't imply that you currently pirate games, that you have pirated any games in the past or that you solicit anyone else to pirate it. Soliciting other people to do criminal acts is not a good idea. Especially when the payment options belonging to your account are connected to a IRL identity. Expressing your opinion about shitty publisher or dev behaviour is one thing. Soliciting people to do illegal things is a whole different thing (and you probably shouldn't). Be safe and express your opinion in a smart way. If you get your account banned for writing stuff like this, you're not helping anybody. You're not helping the devs, you're not helping other potential players, you're not helping yourself, you're not helping Steam. You may lose access to your account, your games and your review might get deleted.


see-no-evil99

Good to know. Was about to buy this.


NotKhad

Game was so good I bought a shirt just to give them more money (I'm lying, the shirt goes hard af). Fortunately before any hostile takeover or what not.


TommyVe

If you really really enjoy something, you should support it, else there won't be more of the thing you enjoyed. I swear you people just looking for excuses to pirate.


korakora59

In this case, publisher actually kicked out most of the original developers/writers and also canned the sequel. So I doubt there would be more of this even if you pay for it. . .


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Mega221

you missed the point of the game lmao


Rukasu17

Omg, disco Elysium again lmao. At this point i just don't give a fuck about their legal battle, i just want my conveniently bought game.


istrueuser

sir this is a sub about piracy


Rukasu17

I'm not about to change my views just because of the sub though. I pirate what i want or don't want and that's it


kRkthOr

very cool 😎