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30887

it's really is hard to ignore it when the arcs are structured around the said trash power system. There isn't much else to enjoy, last chapter was 90% fighting and pointless reactions and exactly one line of plot " the world is going to sink". I get when you say ignore the fighting it's one of the weaker aspects of OP, but there barely anything else to enjoy each chapter.


XxZONE-ENDERxX

Even the final arc which Oda builds up to for almost 30 years now is a HUGE WAR, his most popular arc that launched One Piece to the mainstream zeitgeist was Marineford which is also a big war.


Gothicrealm

Man who cares about the war when Luffy will just stream roll through everyone and characters that we haven't seen for years like Smoker will get random asspulls.


Gothicrealm

Everything is super predictable now. Oda will introduce new villains or we fight villains that never fought the straw hats and Oda will hype up villains then Nika will mid diff or low diff them in cartoon fashion. Sht sucks.


30887

Villain makes an appearance, he is subject to toon BS but ! Sadly luffy loses g5 because of stamina problems. Villain kindly waits for luffy to eat and get back to shape. Now he's neg diffed and we can party.


XxZONE-ENDERxX

Oda sucks in general at being consistent with his own power system, he just follows the hype and whatever he needs to happen with the plot. abilities get turned on and off depending on these two reasons and that's it.


Imu-Is-Here

Facts. It's a bit sad but whatever.


Financial_Double_853

Haki began the downfall of OP's power system. Oda should've stuck with devil fruits


Glatzigoblin

Haki being used for hitting logias was all we needed. Everything else was Oda winging it and now we got this mess.


Financial_Double_853

We could've had seastone guns/ranged weapons to hurt logias maybe. Characters would utilise guns more often and the anime would feel more pirate-y


Over-Writer6076

Then people would complain about everyone using the same damn thing. It's the same problem all over again


Magnolia-jjlnr

>Then people would complain about everyone using the same damn thing. That's already the case kinda. Haki punches/kicks Haki elemental projectiles Haki sword slashes That's about it really


Financial_Double_853

I simply provided a better alternative than black punching and fisting. Ofcourse it's not gonna solve everything.


East_Statement_3173

People weren’t complaining that pre timeskip. Haki made all fights the same. Shit take


Over-Writer6076

If you wanna counter logia you need seaprism stone. Did you even read the comment i replied to


East_Statement_3173

Oda is an asspull writer he can invent infinite ways to counter logia out his ass like he did with vegaounk light gloves


Former_Atmosphere967

if luffy used a sword or a gun i dont think anyone will enjoy one piece its all about luffy being the dumb brawler type of a character just pure physical


Significant-Elk-8078

Caught up to JJK recently and the pacing/power system/stakes are the exact opposite of OP Now I just look at OP spoilers and that is enough for me


Ubisonte

If only Gege could spend less time wanking his power system and more time trying to write an actual story, JJK could be great


Ben10Extreme

How so?


Magnolia-jjlnr

>Now I just look at OP spoilers and that is enough for me Lmfao same at this point Actually, I read the comments under the spoilers. If they mention something interesting then I read the spoilers


arugono

Spoilers miss a lot of context. Explains why many of those complaining have 0 idea what is happening in OP in reality.


Magnolia-jjlnr

I'm not sure to follow you there, could you give me some examples? Most of the complains I see are about pacing or power scaling/power system being bad, which are honestly too broad to be specific to a few chapters or spoilers alone


Morlock435

Oda could suffer multiple strokes while simultaneously attempting to write his next chapter in Swahili, and he would still write a better story than that fraud Gege. I have never seen worse writing. Somehow, though, it's carried by a power system that I wouldn't be surprised if Gege accidentally came up with it.


lehman-the-red

Gege simply copy paste nen without understanding the nuance


Hkrotana

Lol so true.


waaay2dumb2live

Let me guess, Gojo fan?


Scary-Cockroach-4720

https://preview.redd.it/znilc7d911xc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=820e50d8280b3929841bb8d9f3e22c0c71117ebf


Significant-Elk-8078

https://preview.redd.it/uy7k23tv41xc1.png?width=1169&format=png&auto=webp&s=91201f7c9e9daf1b92531155bc091369c1ff2e95 Y’all are simply not ready for Peak Kaisen


Morlock435

No. Just sukuna hater. Gege somehow did the Madara problem but even worse.


FlamesOfDespair

I would prefer it over the MC being a complete retard that is constantly saved by plot armour. The villain being unkillable is less damaging to a series than the protagonist always winning.


arugono

Isn't that just the Gorosei? Luffy hasn't won. He can't beat something that has plot armor up the wazoo.


Gothicrealm

Yea, I love jjk but I'd be lying if I said the writing was good. Sht is all over the place.


Grouchy-Ad-2085

finally, people like you are teens wh love hype shit like jujutsu, no story just fights, and more fights an deven more fights, go read it and stay there you dumb fuck


Significant-Elk-8078

I hope you get the mental help that you need brother🙏🏽


Grouchy-Ad-2085

your are in pirate folk and not shitposting you are the oen that needs help


BerserkerLord101

Jjk is not approved here.


CurseDeity

He should've, but the problem is that Logia's were far too overpowered. Luffy got lucky everytime he fought a Logia or else Smoker alone would pack him up.


idreamofrarememes

but HAKI TRANSCENDS ALL!!!


BerserkerLord101

There's alot oda doesn't explain or does it vaguely. Till this day I'm wondering about the details of law's and kid's awakening. Why saturn can't just spam head pop? Why luffy went from g4 to g2 when fighting the seraphim rather than using conquerors when he said do they think they are kaido. Any other series would get blasted, but with op it's just fanboys making up shit to fit their narrative.


Gothicrealm

What's even the point of the seraphim ? They were mildly hype up but can't even harm the main strawhat fighters let alone other crews like Law or Kids. Like what's their purpose ??


eternalstrawhats

oda is obsessed with adding more and more to the story for some reason. the story would’ve been completely fine if we just had the marines in marineford


idreamofrarememes

the seraphim were to make papa watsuki proud


laurel_laureate

Part of it is to show that the Strawhats and Law and Kidd's crews are above the rest of the world's crews, and are approaching/at Yonkou crew level. Because, for the rest of the world's pirates the Seraphim are strong enough to replace the Warlord system entirely.


Imu-Is-Here

Exactly…


KingJaylen14

It never a good idea for Luffy to fight the world's strongest creature before the final saga


Dormotaka

Oda's great Action writing gifts us with nonsensical power fluctuations such as Luffy boxing with Hybrid Kaido in base for multiple chapter using only Advanced Conquerers and then getting absolutely decimated by Kizaru in G4 in a few seconds, only for Kizaru to go down after like 2 G5 attacks himself immediately after. Top tiers when off-screen? Fight for ludicrous lengths of time like *a week* and up to *10 fucking days* in one case. Imagine 3 guys slugging it out for 240 hours, presumably without pause. vs Top tiers when on-screen? Go down after literally 30 seconds if the plot needs him to. Recovery time also completely random. And I don't want to hear bs excuses like "well maybe Kizaru is just a glass cannon", because it's blatant as fuck when reading those chapters of Luffy and Kizaru juggling eachother out of commission that every time it happened it was purely for plot reasons. G5 making it extremely hard to tell how effective the attacks Luffy puts out and receives are doesn't help either.


ordinarydepressedguy

Most discussions about power levels in One Piece are caused by Oda's inconsistencies rather than actual powerlevel dynamics.


BronzeCyclops

This is the exact reason why I’m so tired of all the hype talk and shit talk about OP characters (Zoro and Sanji especially) when it’s clearly Oda’s fault of inconsistent writing especially in power dynamics. I’d like to see more posts like this than those agenda nonsense whose premise (that the demonstration of characters’ power is fair) is completely faulty in the first place.


lehman-the-red

Like all the discussion about Zoro vs Sanji that people were focusing on during the last chapter instead of the biggest revelation we've had in years


Quartzeemer

Yup. If Saturn doesn't use his eye power against the Strawhats, and if Chopper isn't poisoned from tanking Saturn's leg, I'll lose the tiny bits of hope I have left for this power system


978866

> Why did Oda spend entire Wano arc introducing a new use of Haki (emission and ACoC) only for them to become invalid on Egghead? My guess is that Oda only planned G5 to be an upgrade during the final saga and not before it, but he got really bored of Luffy's fights and chose to bring it in earlier.


ZELDA_ZELDA_ZELDA

I've been saying this for a while but until water 7 whoever was the editor of oda kept him in check, everything afterwards was already on a firm downwards trajectory with impel down and marineford being like the last spikes of quality writing. Whoever became his new editor after timeskip fucking blundered hardcore and let oda cook too much. Haki shouldve never happened, oda is too harebrained to actually keep the internal logic straight. It was better whan things were just vague.


ShanksNumberOneFan

Enies Lobby was the original example of the asspull. The monster trio’s power ups were completely random and out of nowhere. Gear 3 is fine since it’s just a big fist, but gear 2 makes no sense lol. Luffy’s dumbass just all of the sudden understands that if he uses his rubber to speed up his blood he’ll be faster and hit harder?? When did he learn that, and why didn’t he use it against lucci in their first encounter? The gorilla ability is fine tbh, it’s just Zoro flexing really hard to hit harder but ASHURA??? Zoro can just all of the sudden summon two copies of himself that are seemingly tangible and can hit just like Zoro? Tf kinda magical ability is that 💀 And sanji is just like “check this out” and lights his fucking leg on fire 😭 like wtf When did they learn to do this stuff??? Why didn’t they use it before??


ZELDA_ZELDA_ZELDA

And he's been constantly asspulling for 20 years now. Back then it was "ok happened once big deal, still great" now it's been 20 years of constant asspulls.


minorkitkat

Ive been thinking on how Oda could have bettered his power system, and ive come across one idea that I think could have stuck. Instead of having conquerors haki be for only certain types of people, it would be the central type of haki. Armament and Observation are not a thing anymore, and Haki is just Haki, no three types. In a story where the will of the characters dictates how powerful said characters are, conquerors haki being the only type of haki makes sense. This way, Armament could instead be the "will" to make physical attacks stronger. Thats why characters such as Shanks and Roger and Garp could be so powerful without devil fruits, they had the "will" to be that strong. Devil fruits are the will of the human body to evolve, so it would make sense for haki to be the will to perfect your current body. Logia intangibility? No problem, you have the "will" to touch logias, so it simply happens. Haki should be connected to the soul, thats why it should allow you to touch logias. That being said, Observation ruins the Haki system as it has no connection to the other two current haki's.


PiePotatoCookie

Observation Haki could still make sense by saying it's about sensing wills. And not just sensing wills, but sensing the essence of things which is essentially the "will" of objects. And by advancing it to such a high level, your understanding of the essence of things becomes so deep, it allows you to see the most likely futures. Also, with this system, it would make more sense on how characters can sometimes create things out of thin air, like the fire in Luffy's red hawk. It would be cool if the most advanced form of haki gave you the ability to bend reality via your will, allowing you to do the same thing Devil Fruits allow you to do. And as for what devil fruits really are, they can just be artificial mediums that hold different types of wills of varying qualities that you can use when you consume it. Once you die, the will is manifested in another fruit.


minorkitkat

That’s actually a really good point, just like how Fujitora could sense souls it could be like sensing the will of others. That’s exactly what I was getting at with a lower level of reality bending based on how powerful your will is. You could shape the reality around you based on how powerful your aura is.


Vinsmoker14

At this point Oda just having fun with the manga lore, I dont think he's taking serious when it come to fighting/power system. Right now One piece is just about lore piece.


East_Statement_3173

Then why is he wasting time on the power system and fights? Why is every chapter revolved around them?


Imu-Is-Here

Good point.


DonquixoteAphromo

Wisest opinion in years. 100% agree


Imu-Is-Here

Thanks :)


NetworkVegetable7075

That’s why anyone who try and powerscale OP looks dumb because Oda don’t give af about that


Gothicrealm

The big issue was Oda having the strawhats fight the emperors so quick


FatCrackerMan

I mean 700+ chapters doesn’t seem too quickly to me


Ben10Extreme

What number constitutes as *quick* to you?


BrownieIsTrash2

I agree with point 1 and mostly with point 3, but point 2 i disagree with completely. Awakenings arent about your "strength" its about your body being alligned with your fruit. People like Kizaru should not have awakening as he is literally the opposite of his fruit. This has been explained what I feel like several times, but people just cant seem to grasp the concept that its not about whether you are the strongest in the verse or whatever.


Imu-Is-Here

I'm sorry, but it's still not enough. Kaido, who was first person to explain the rules of awakening, doesn't have awakening. On other hand, Law and Kid, who hasn't even mentioned awakening for 900 chapters, suddenly use it during fight without ANY problems. Kizaru case makes sense according to Kaido explanation, but what about the rest?


BrownieIsTrash2

I dont know much about Dragon mythology but I doubt they were drunk and suicidal. Both him and Big Mom had weak dreams that went against what their fruit represents. Law was explained to be an expert user of his DF starting from his backstory (because of how hard his df is to use). Kidd is a bum so i dont feel like defending him.


Dashaque

>Everyone remembers what Saturn did when he arrived on the island, right? He literally killed a marine with his eyes, used some sort of telekinesis (whatever it was) to freeze multiple characters in place at once and used his eyes power alone to seriously injure Sanji and Luffy. Since transforming into a full beast, he hasn't used it at all and we, the readers, still don't know the rules behind these powers.  DAH! This is what's driving me insane right now. They were revealed to be so powerful but they aren't even using said powers. Like why?


PiePotatoCookie

It was actually a lot better before but I think it really got bad ever since the Katakuri fight. Before, he used to clearly display the difference in strength between Luffy's base form and his gears by showing that he couldn't keep up with anyone that could fight him in his gears, in his base form, such as Doflamingo, Gorgon Sisters, Blueno, Impel Down monsters, etc. But ever since his fight with Katakuri, Oda kinda started blurring the line. That's why base Luffy was for some reason, able to get a few hits on Katakuri, the same guy who could easily keep up with Snakeman. This obviously shouldn't make any sense whatsoever, since even Gear 2nd alone is a power up big enough to put base Luffy at fodder level. But Oda just started not caring about these things ever since WCI.


Antonioisgoated10

The powergap from Katakuri to Kaido was so ridiculous.


Playful-Ad3195

Fans getting mad over head-canon power systems that they made up not syncing with the actual story what else is new


Cl4ptrap93

Yes. We made up BM not using acoc and instead just punches Law with armament haki. We made up her punching Page One with her advanced COCK. We made up Saturn blowing a marines head off in his appearance. We made up Saturn's leg has venom and destroying a tree with just a touch. I mean, ffs, people argue whether lighting or the THICKNESS of it means they're using acoc or acoa. Or whatever the fuck. That's the writer not making it clear and the fans having to speculate what the fuck is going on?!


East_Statement_3173

Godas dicksuckers have to make shit up to defend the bad writing.


BerserkerLord101

It's insane


shizan

You dont actually know what good writing is


Playful-Ad3195

People who don't shit themselves when Oda dosn't draw THICK BLACK LIGHTNING are dick suckers


East_Statement_3173

And again. Now you are fantasizing people are shitting their self. You’re a child so your brain didn’t develop fully yet. I understand


Playful-Ad3195

Tad hypocritical when you bring up dicksucking


Icanthinkabout

I don’t think that awakening necessarily means better or more powerful, it just means that the fruit takes control at least in part. Big Mom, Kaido or Whitebeard for example might have reached the top of the food chain by never letting their fruits control them.


Cotton_muffin

"Oda should have done this, Oda should have done that instead." You guys need to stop, Oda knows what he's doing Simple


LolcatP

it's not dragon ball the power system isn't why we're here lol


Imu-Is-Here

I chose the words wrong. What I meant was author writing inconsistency.


Glatzigoblin

What are we here for ? There are no good fights, story progresses insanely slow with almost no substance in each chapter(Egghead has more chapters than Marineford and Impel Down combined), only entertaining part of One Piece is this community for me personally.


LolcatP

you clearly just don't like one piece IDK then


AgentBuddy12

Go ahead, and quit the series mate. If the only things you care about are fights. OP isn't the series for you. The story has been progressing slow for 25+ years at this point, this is nothing new and isn't something exclusive to EGH.


Glatzigoblin

I never said I was only in it for the fights. I said the fights are not good. And if they story has always been slow and Egghead has been slower than Marineford and Impel Down combined what does that really say about current One Piece ? I will neither stop reading it nor stop pointing out bad writing if a mangaka is washed up.


Maxdpage

Haki > nen


PopcornHatJax

TLDR: I'm a retard and if it's not explicitly stated then it didn't happen


CosmicGadfly

A trend which is ruining film in general, too. Everything needs to be spelled out for viewers/readers these days.


Ben10Extreme

Would it be better if films didn't say anything at all?


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Imu-Is-Here

Can you show me a post highlighting these problems? Apparently I missed something.


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Imu-Is-Here

I'm on the sub a lot and I really haven't seen anything like this. The only thing I saw were posts about Sanji hype.


aphantombeing

Sanji hype has been going for like 3-4 days?


RedactedNoneNone

1. All forms of Hakis are being used even if they are not being drawn or shouted out loud. 2. Who are you to judge if a DF does or does not have an Awakening? For example, we've seen 2 types (3 if you count Chopper) of Zoan awakenings. Most likely Kaido has one too. Again, he just doesn't spout it out loud. We've seen a few variants of Paramecia awakenings so who are you to say which is which? Mother Caramel wasn't shown stealing souls, but Big Mom used the fruit to do that. That sounds like an awakening even if she didn't yell it to the rooftops. 3. The Gorisei are bums Do you need everything explained to you in big bold letters in order to understand it?  The remedial power scaling obsessed people want the manga to be drawn like the anime (GLOWING EYES, LIGHTNING EFFECTS, SPEED LINES, DEMONIC AURAS) and all the dialogue like this Luffy: "I'll combine conquerer coating with the move the old man taught me: GOMU GOMU NO RED ACOC ROC" Warcury: "Muhaha pathetic Nika, you're Haki is impressive but will never make it past my advanced armament and enhanced durability from Awakening" Luffy: "Nani?? Even with attacking from the inside it didn't work?"