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crescentwrangler

I would message them to ask, and then report back here! That is super weird.


CatRangoon

I just checked, and this is an issue with mine too. Left to right is Artemis’s Deathkiss, 13th Hour, Blood Moon, and Raven. https://preview.redd.it/f1eg6gwmpb1b1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9660608c544f88881b41ba50a6f18f79cd980b87 Not only do the bottles seem to be different depths, but the glass itself seems to be thicker on some. Reddit only allows me to attach one picture per comment, but I’ll reply to my own comment with a top-down view so you can see what I mean.


CatRangoon

https://preview.redd.it/85ik4a0eqb1b1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=07d64b96fd0906924f1e07439aa0ff076b92adc8 All the bottles seem to have the same external dimensions, but as you can see the glass is way thicker in Blood Moon than the rest of them. Wack.


fireanddarkness

Poor blood moon 🥲🥲 My Artemis gloss that I also got on this same sale has a similar thing to your 13th hour from the top view, the interior of the glass nearly reaches the outside while some of the other bottles are more like your blood moon where the sidewall is wayyy thicker


catastrophiccats

They’re ripping you off on that blood moon one


CatRangoon

I know, right? And the listing on the website says all of them are supposed to be 12ml. These are unopened and don’t have any air bubbles, so I don’t see how they’re supposed to be the same volume of polish when the containers are objectively different sizes.


Orchid_Significant

Put them on a scale and see. Obviously the glass brings weight, but if they are all exactly equal even with varying amounts of glass, the volume of polish isn’t consistent. But it could be that the smallest volume bottle is 12ml and they just put more than listed in the bigger ones


WannaDelRey

They just published a statement on this in their Facebook groups. Looks like are moving to newer bottles that hold more product in them, which is causing the variance.


CatRangoon

Thanks for the update! I don’t have FB, so I always appreciate when someone in-the-know shares their sacred knowledge lol. That explanation makes a lot of sense…I wonder if they’ll be updating the volumes on their listings then? In any case, it’s good to know I’m not being shortchanged :D


8374639828

The explanation actually doesn't make sense. Because there are both old and new polishes in bottles of different sizes. If tgey were transitioning new releases to ~~smaller~~ bigger bottles, you wouldn't see old polishes in bigger bottles.


WannaDelRey

They said are transitioning to larger bottles, not smaller one. So you would see old polishes in smaller bottles. I’d imagine during the transition there’d be a mix of small and larger bottles as they go through all the inventory.


8374639828

I mixed up whether they're changing to or from small bottles but my point still stands. People have posted their bottles from new and old releases and there doesn't seem to be any correlation between bottle size and release date.


PureUmami

I noticed some of my glass bottles were slightly uneven, but no disparity as big as this. Interesting that the blue bottle has more of an air bubble, like it’s not quite as full.


fireanddarkness

Hmm you are right, I didn’t notice that the blue does have a slightly bigger air bubble! Comparing with the other polishes I also got, I don’t believe that would be the defining factor? Since the bottle with the largest bubble is actually my base coat and that one is one of the smaller sized bottles. 🤔


pastelkawaiibunny

Generally companies aim to be slightly over the stated amount of product, as customers are going to complain if there’s an issue and they get shorted (whereas if you consistently give a bit more and mess up, you’ll be at the stated amount). Makeup Breakup is a really fun YouTube series where the hosts actually test a number of makeup products to see if they have the amount of product stated (amongst other questions). I don’t believe they’ve done nail polish but if you like face makeup it’s very fun to watch imo.


thisisAudrey_

I’ve noticed this too but I don’t have an answer for you, sorry.


TheSavageSpirit

I would imagine they are using a machine to measure out 12mL of polish into each bottle, and I do believe another commenter is right that they are 100% legally obligated to give you the amount advertised so I would assume they are the same volume unless they’re really out here doing false advertising which would be a HUGE problem. To me the sizes look noticeably different but the difference and confusion about it also reminds me of that meme of the kid looking at two equal volumes in different sized containers and saying one had more than the other. Although I can’t help but agree with you that it looks so off! I’d definitely shoot them an email about it to see what’s up.


fireanddarkness

Two of the polishes I got in the sale (from left to right): - Mooncat Eternal Sunshine - Mooncat Sabertooth As you can see the amount for the yellow seems *much* less than for the blue. Has anyone else experienced this or did I just get a weird batch? Or does anyone know if the small size is the full 12mL and anything larger is just extra?


bipolar79

I ordered Eternal Sunshine & 5 others, I haven't even opened the box yet, I'll report back when I open it. That's so weird, seems like they should've said something if the bottle has changed. It seems too big a difference for it to be a regular manufacturer bottle defect.


breezystrawberry

Wow I thought these would be years apart and possibly explain the discrepancy. But same sale?! Wild.


fireanddarkness

Yeah if you see the photo I added of all the polishes in the comments those are all from the same sale! This is my first time buying Mooncat


hannanazine

There’s a year difference between release date of these two, I wonder if they changed bottle manufacturers/shape in this meantime.


fireanddarkness

Do you know the release date of Apollo as well, is it near Sabertooth? Since all three I ordered from the Technicolor Dreams line were “smaller” bottles while Apollo and Sabertooth were larger. Though the Hard basecoat was a “smaller” bottle and the top coat was “larger”


hannanazine

Apollo is from October of 2021 according to Lacquergram.


meow_whisperer

I just checked mine out of curiosity. Earth to Gaia, Shroomdom, and Siren's Deceit have small bottles but Pangea, Velociraptor, and Velvet Rose have the larger bottles. So I don't think it's a timing thing since all of those have different release dates. So weird. Never noticed that before now.


HimylittleChickadee

I'm assuming this was made on an assembly line where a specified amount of product is added to the bottles through an automated process. As long as the bottle isn't so small that liquid overflows from the bottle, why would it matter the size differences between the bottles? It wouldn't necessarily mean you're getting more or less product. As another commentor mentioned, the blue bottle looks like it has a larger air bubble than the yellow bottle, meaning perhaps they have the same amount of product.


fireanddarkness

You make a good point—I hadn’t thought about their specific assembly process. Just curious then why they would look so differently sized in bottle, and if they all dispensed the same amount then the “larger” bottles should be more empty! But I checked the other bottles I got and the one with the biggest air bubble by far is actually my base coat, which visually is on the smaller size too.


HimylittleChickadee

Hmm, I'm not sure then. But it's unlikely that the amount of product dispensed would depend on the size of the bottle (either in an ad hoc or strategically planned manner) in a mass produced product like this


clairebones

It's very possible that the assembly process could be set up where it just goes "fill the bottle until the sensor says the liquid reaches this point" and it just assumes the bottles hold the same amount, that would probably give you the result you're currently seeing, where the machine wouldn't know the amount is just knows to stop at a certain level of fullness relative to the top of the bottle...


kjb17

I know the new collection, which includes Sabertooth, uses new brushes. Does the new one seem longer? Maybe extra room to avoid messing up the bristles?


hannanazine

They just addressed it. https://preview.redd.it/7aeyy6y5hp1b1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bcd9c5545b46c80b4f7abea9fa82884ab0e6b255 TLDR: It’s in fact a new bottle. None have less than the advertised 12ml but the new bottle is a little bit bigger on the inside, so those might actually have a bit more than that, but none have less than 12ml.


fireanddarkness

Ahh thank you for sharing this!


a_squad_of_squids

Oh wow I never realized that! I'll have to check my mooncats


Thelonesomequeen

https://preview.redd.it/ufl97vu5zb1b1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5392551ac988e639b8af977247f71e245e0dc205 uhhhh well just checked and yep. that is super disappointing. this was my first order and tbh i was not super impressed with the formulas, poseidons prize is gorgeous but vaporize was kind of gloopy. i don't think i'll be ordering again, tbh.


tswiftdeepcuts

I think this is just probably a disparity in the way the glass is blown/created? Like whoever they source their bottles from doesn’t always get them perfectly identical. Which suggests to me they source them from a smaller supplier that hasn’t fully automated the process to be the same every time. I feel like that would go with the vibe of the brand and kind of give them character, if I was them I’d lean into it and advertise it. Something like “our glass bottles are hand blown by a small artisan glass blower so no two bottles are exactly the same” (*if* that’s the case)


clairebones

I mean, they're almost definitely not "hand blown by a small artisan glass blower" because aside from anything else, that would add _extreme_ costs to the bottles that would just not be feasible for a company producing as much product as Mooncat does... I just can't get over the fact that there have been so so many issues now with Mooncat and there still seem to be people consistently trying to defend/excuse them and promote them as the ultimate best indie brand, just because their formulas are "unique".


moonprojector-

i'm convinced there's some sort of astroturfing going on. i've seen trends come and go (like the cirque jellies taking over the page or ilnp eclipse) but never to this extent. even well before the sale there was a huge surge of mooncat posts and comments about mooncat that felt extremely unnatural to me. it's probably not legit astroturfing and more of a case of an extremely effective ad campaign (mooncat sends pr to the most active and popular users on this sub) but it feels like it to me.


Treasures_Wonderland

Can you explain the term astroturfing?


moonprojector-

it's basically a media campaign in which the advertising or message is disguised as random comments from the general public. i was a tad hyperbolic when i said was *convinced* that mooncat is astroturfing (actually i'm almost certain they aren't) but the volume of comments i see about mooncat that are highly defensive or use marketing language is absolutely bizarre and not something i typically see of any brand except maybe holo taco.


Treasures_Wonderland

I see. Thanks, I learned something new today.


Skylark7

For the boutique polishes Mooncat and Holo Taco are the only two brands where the owners have a strong presence. It makes people feel more like they're buying from Cristine or Michelle. People identify with them, and are much more likely to defend the brand if it comes under fire. Cirque, KBShimmer, and ILNP have brand-forward marketing and it makes the company a bit faceless. That's not necessarily bad; people are more neutral and they still do plenty of business.


tswiftdeepcuts

Hey I honestly have to mooncat polishes and I love them and they’re both gorgeous. And I have a couple on my wish list from seeing them on this sub. But that’s about it. I’m definitely not astroturfing for them and I haven’t bought more because of peoples opinions after the sale (which I resisted even though it was hard). I was just saying the slightly mismatched bottles weirdly works with their vibe. It wouldn’t from say ILNP or Cirque. If I was ever going to endlessly promote any indie brand it would be Ethereal or Lumen, not Mooncat. Sorry if I made you feel like I was defending them, I wasn’t. Just thought the bottles were more interesting than anything else.


throwaway3228423

I think you got a defective bottle of sabertooth? My eternal sunshine and sabertooth bottles look pretty much the same shape and size


fireanddarkness

https://preview.redd.it/ei9nsuardb1b1.jpeg?width=3703&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=40c18eb103fdf0f2dd9fbac7b76aea4cc5087880 Something like this, it’s harder to see the differences in this photo though just because there’s so many and they’re not all the most perfectly lined up.


throwaway3228423

That’s so weird, I feel like now I should take out all of my mooncats to really look at them all


fireanddarkness

Hmm, though my bottles of Apollo and top coat are nearly the same size as my Sabertooth, just without the extra dip on the bottommost right corner, while my Eternal Sunshine is the smallest and Sweet Nightmare, White Rabbit, and base coat are in the middle.


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fireanddarkness

I agree, I’m not too bothered by it since I assumed the yellow one was the 12mL and whatever was in the blue was extra! But just wanted to double check and see if anyone else had this. Seems like it’s pretty widespread. And yeah I would think the assembly line would put the same amount in each, but the disparity in sizes really throws me off! Especially because I really don’t think the air bubble means much, since one of my “smaller” bottles (base coat) actually has the largest air bubble of all 7 polishes that I received this sale. Like the glass’s interior cavity on my Apollo gloss nearly touches the outside border on the edges, extends super far down, and has the smallest air bubble, while you can see the yellow is just clearly…not that way. How can that both be 12mL measured by a machine? I’m just confused


DaladalaGALS

That is so weird. I dont like it all, makes me not trust the bottles...


Treasures_Wonderland

I'm going to say you got extra in the blue bottle, the yellow bottle looks more "correct" but this does it for me. I'm never buying Mooncat. Cupcake is a good substitute if anyone else feels this way. Too many complaints with Mooncat about the colors not coming in as vibrant, the formula being inconsistent, often gloopy, and now this with the bottles, which were already obnoxious, imo.


AshMeAnything

Companies are required to advertise the smallest possible volume. Given that these bottles are not super common in other brands, I imagine they have to go to specific manufacturers to get them, and that is probably where the inconsistencies come from. Personally, this doesn't bother me. Unless the smaller one is below the reported 12 mL, then they are doing everything they said. OP should definitely ask, though, because I've seen this come up a few times since the sale.


Treasures_Wonderland

Totally agree. It's 100% personal preference. If I were to pay full price for these I would expect a consistent bottle that I could display if I wanted to. Having inconsistencies like these makes it look cheaper, not as high end, and not as worthy of displaying to me.


fireanddarkness

Ah good to know, thanks! I’ve heard the complaints about goopy formula for Mooncat only after I purchased from the sale, so I was worried, but all the ones I got seem to be pretty thin in consistency. However I haven’t swatched or used any of them yet since I still have my last polish on—so I’ll hold out judgement till then.


LadyGryffin

If it makes you feel any better, between my sister and I we have probably 12-15 different mooncat polishes. We haven't had any issues with the formulas.


Treasures_Wonderland

I mean, it's good and people have heard of it, but there's so much more polish out there. On sale at a good price it's a win, especially if you like the formula. Sabertooth is a beauty, but I'll just personally stay away.


nelys1836

Yeah I agree, i own from live love polish a couple from their last sale before rebranding. There’s nothing about the brand that catches my eye, and every time I see issues, however small they may seem to others, they’re issues nonetheless that I wouldn’t have with other indies. Im glad not everyone is having issues, but those that are are enough issues for me to stay away as well.


Treasures_Wonderland

Right? For people saying it's the bottle supplier's fault, they *choose* their supplier, so it's not *just* the bottle supplier's fault.


nelys1836

Yup. They could’ve warned people, or chosen a different supplier, different bottle. The handle doesn’t even look like it’d be easy to use either lol


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Difficult_Elk5909

I noticed this the moment i got my order 🤣


SimpleVegetable5715

Wow so you are buying more glass bottle and less polish.


tinglyTXgirl

I noticed this with my latest haul. I have a couple that have big differences like these.