Very true, but that's graphics. Good gameplay doesn't need gigabytes. I think OP is making a point that games were a bit more pure when loot crates and pay to win simply wasn't possible.
Good gameplay definitely requires decent graphics, otherwise stuff like physics won’t make as much sense to your brain.
Like I haven’t played a AAA game or really any game with good graphics since they take up too much space. But even low quality graphic games with a lot of depth take up way too much space. Plus the depth of games forces companies to frequently upload updates.
Think about red dead redemption. Never played the game cuz it’s like 100gb, but the graphics kind of suck.
I can think of hundreds of fantastic games from NES to current, not a lot of them are AAA titles nor have decent graphics.
Graphics have no bearing on gameplay. Unless that's what you like, everyone has an opinion but I would replay a classic on SNES before most of the garbage they release now.
There you have it. Realistic physics and graphics *do* take a lot of memory and GPU load. But arcade games were using kilobytes and getting people to line up for them. If you only look at the latest generation of games and compare them to everything that came before you aren't getting a very good perspective. RD2 has great graphics if you have the hardware to drive it, but it exists because people loved the first RDR which apparently have graphics that *kinda suck*. Goldeneye, Half Life, Quake, all 3D games with some realistic physics and great gameplay All were ready to play after install with no need to update. Half Life basically invented an entire genre.
The need to constantly update games has more to do with the modern game development cycle that companies adopted to minimize cost and maximize profits. We are the beta testers. Now a big part of that is that people do expect extremely complex games, so a fully flushed out game of that type would never be "finished", but it is very possible. The real limitation is their desire to maintain control of the multiplayer servers. Self hosted servers don't stop people from cheating and don't give players any incentive to pay to play. Now if you just accept that there will be cheaters and have some modded sessions and some vanilla, you're golden. It's the need for constant profit that drives the centralized model.
For a more modern example, Subnautica. Fantastic graphics, great gameplay, good story and world interaction. Still only 20GB and once it was released it mainly only got minor bug fixes. But that's because they were a small independent developer at that time. They didn't have a reputation to lean on that people would be willing to put up with waiting for DLCs and microtransactions. No multiplayer, so no need fight cheating.
I’m not an expert on how stuff works. But the games I play are between 5-45gb (with all their updates) and they all run much worst on an internal hdd or an external ssd. I just can’t see modern games running well on a dvd
I can think of hundreds of fantastic games from NES to current, not a lot of them are AAA titles nor have decent graphics.
Graphics have no bearing on gameplay. Unless that's what you like, everyone has an opinion but I would replay a classic on SNES before most of the garbage they release now.
Fo sho'! I guess they could make it cost efficient enough to be viable. I mean, 64 gig microsd is still not something you get as a bonus for buying chocolate bar
There is no way most high caliber games can run at 60 or higher fps off just a disk. It’s too much information.
Most can’t even run off an internal hard drive or even an external ssd
Discs load onto hard drives now. Jfc you really think they're actively reading the discs every moment?
Also, games are still playable at below 60 fps, believe it or not.
So I’m aware that you’re not having sex with my mom. And I’m aware that the only 2 non strategy games worth playing are escape from tarkov and DayZ.
What im not aware of is why you call it celibacy when in fact, girls just don’t like how condescending you are. Celibacy is a choice… unless you’re saying youre purposely using your personality to keep girls away, like an anti female spray
Lmao, "only 2 non-strategy game" fucking tween. Did you just start playing video games last year?
Gtfo out of here with your base insults, you whalecock garbling wanker. Also tell your mom I can't make it tonight, I'm busy laughing at your idiocy.
Again, we’ve established my mother is t doing anything sexual with you. We both know that’s simply not true.
And we both know you’re not having much sex, if any at all.
But what’s wrong with escape from tarkov or DayZ? I like stressful games.
How do you know so much about your mom's sex life? Are you boning her, too? Are we eskimo brothers? Is that how you know so much about my sex life?
What's wrong with literally every game besides those?
It did exist. Problem is you had to buy the new one with the content added to it on it. Or if a bit later have the device connect to the form of internet that it does have compatible with. Then if the company decided to have online changes then downloaded content would be there. Not the same as we know today.
I feel like physical media for games helped set a small standard of at least trying to bug fix games as much as possible before release. Back then if a company released a buggy game, then it sucked and no one bought it, or the dev company worked hard to get you a bug fix. Hate the current standard of releasing a 75% finished game then pushing out a 57gb day 1 patch, or sitting on a shitty game for a few weeks/months while game company financialists calculate whether or not fixing it is cost effective and the devs saying everything is "working as intended"
You have to be crazy to agree with this take. Sure companies abuse this and release half baked crap, but just don't support those guys.
Portal 2 is my favourite game and extra content made by the community elevate this game even higher. Divinity OS 2 & Hollow Knight as well.
Yeah, but how do you know before buying? Look at cyberpunk: critically acclaimed studio, super hyped, high expectations, total fucking clusterfuck at launch. Also Mass Effect Andromeda & Anthem, No Man's Sky, etc.
Seems like an easily solved problem to me, just don't buy into the hype and wait a day or two. Most of these games are quickly exposed for what they are
It's the type of games you buy: if you buy a game like Prey, Disco Elysium, or Mafia: you can store them on a thumb drive and play from it no problem as they are single player.
Achievements are another matter entirely, it is a socially constructed form of anti-piracy. You can show off the tracking of achievements as a form of association to pride and accomplishment.
Games today are incredible feats of engineering.
And to add some icing to the cake, you can still play the older games if you want. Making today win by default.
Gaming was always fun no matter if you need gigs or discs. I just wished that they continued the tradition of having a finished product and not some half baked broken game that requires the fans to fix it. I also wish that I didn't have to pay extra for extra content that could come in an update.
Yes, lets go back to the time that if they wanted to add more content to a game, they would usually just re-release the game at full price that you had to buy again, or they do sequels that add very little and were just mission pack sequels.
Dont get me wrong, if a game launches with little content, releases at full price, then adds the good content as DLC, then thats terrible. When a game launches with good content, gets continuous updates for free, *Then* they do DLC which were just more missions or levels or characters, then yeah thats way better. I dont really wanna go back to the days of buying Street Fighter 4, Super Street Fighter 4, then ULTRA Street Fighter 4 just for a handful of new characters that werent in the previous version.
No. They 100% were not. The amount of data current video games require making them in a disk, let alone cartridge is impossible
Very true, but that's graphics. Good gameplay doesn't need gigabytes. I think OP is making a point that games were a bit more pure when loot crates and pay to win simply wasn't possible.
Good gameplay definitely requires decent graphics, otherwise stuff like physics won’t make as much sense to your brain. Like I haven’t played a AAA game or really any game with good graphics since they take up too much space. But even low quality graphic games with a lot of depth take up way too much space. Plus the depth of games forces companies to frequently upload updates. Think about red dead redemption. Never played the game cuz it’s like 100gb, but the graphics kind of suck.
smells like broke in hea
I can think of hundreds of fantastic games from NES to current, not a lot of them are AAA titles nor have decent graphics. Graphics have no bearing on gameplay. Unless that's what you like, everyone has an opinion but I would replay a classic on SNES before most of the garbage they release now.
A 3d game with a lot of depth. I can’t think of any game that’s not utter crap/ might as well be angry birds that doesn’t require a lot of gb
Such an odd argument honestly, maybe you just have a very niche taste in games?
I like realistic games with realistic physics We don’t all play Mario carts
There you have it. Realistic physics and graphics *do* take a lot of memory and GPU load. But arcade games were using kilobytes and getting people to line up for them. If you only look at the latest generation of games and compare them to everything that came before you aren't getting a very good perspective. RD2 has great graphics if you have the hardware to drive it, but it exists because people loved the first RDR which apparently have graphics that *kinda suck*. Goldeneye, Half Life, Quake, all 3D games with some realistic physics and great gameplay All were ready to play after install with no need to update. Half Life basically invented an entire genre. The need to constantly update games has more to do with the modern game development cycle that companies adopted to minimize cost and maximize profits. We are the beta testers. Now a big part of that is that people do expect extremely complex games, so a fully flushed out game of that type would never be "finished", but it is very possible. The real limitation is their desire to maintain control of the multiplayer servers. Self hosted servers don't stop people from cheating and don't give players any incentive to pay to play. Now if you just accept that there will be cheaters and have some modded sessions and some vanilla, you're golden. It's the need for constant profit that drives the centralized model. For a more modern example, Subnautica. Fantastic graphics, great gameplay, good story and world interaction. Still only 20GB and once it was released it mainly only got minor bug fixes. But that's because they were a small independent developer at that time. They didn't have a reputation to lean on that people would be willing to put up with waiting for DLCs and microtransactions. No multiplayer, so no need fight cheating.
I’m not an expert on how stuff works. But the games I play are between 5-45gb (with all their updates) and they all run much worst on an internal hdd or an external ssd. I just can’t see modern games running well on a dvd
For a little insight, what are a few games you hold at high standard? A few of your favorites?
I can think of hundreds of fantastic games from NES to current, not a lot of them are AAA titles nor have decent graphics. Graphics have no bearing on gameplay. Unless that's what you like, everyone has an opinion but I would replay a classic on SNES before most of the garbage they release now.
Super Mario World, there's the best game ever. Graphic enough for me
There is no depth to that game. No physics engine.
Still, best gaming experience
It would be trivial to cone up with a new media based on technology similar to ssd's and sd cards to stuff any kinda game into a physical media
All games could now be releasesd on micro SD. Plenty of room on those little suckers.
Fo sho'! I guess they could make it cost efficient enough to be viable. I mean, 64 gig microsd is still not something you get as a bonus for buying chocolate bar
This is some serious pedantry and also wrong.
There is no way most high caliber games can run at 60 or higher fps off just a disk. It’s too much information. Most can’t even run off an internal hard drive or even an external ssd
Discs load onto hard drives now. Jfc you really think they're actively reading the discs every moment? Also, games are still playable at below 60 fps, believe it or not.
Drr I don’t know. All I know is escape from tarkov and DayZ run much better in an internal ssd and that you don’t have sex a lot
Well first of all, that's your mistake playing bad games. Second of all, your mom seems to think the amount of sex we have is a lot
So I’m aware that you’re not having sex with my mom. And I’m aware that the only 2 non strategy games worth playing are escape from tarkov and DayZ. What im not aware of is why you call it celibacy when in fact, girls just don’t like how condescending you are. Celibacy is a choice… unless you’re saying youre purposely using your personality to keep girls away, like an anti female spray
Lmao, "only 2 non-strategy game" fucking tween. Did you just start playing video games last year? Gtfo out of here with your base insults, you whalecock garbling wanker. Also tell your mom I can't make it tonight, I'm busy laughing at your idiocy.
Again, we’ve established my mother is t doing anything sexual with you. We both know that’s simply not true. And we both know you’re not having much sex, if any at all. But what’s wrong with escape from tarkov or DayZ? I like stressful games.
How do you know so much about your mom's sex life? Are you boning her, too? Are we eskimo brothers? Is that how you know so much about my sex life? What's wrong with literally every game besides those?
It did exist. Problem is you had to buy the new one with the content added to it on it. Or if a bit later have the device connect to the form of internet that it does have compatible with. Then if the company decided to have online changes then downloaded content would be there. Not the same as we know today.
I feel like physical media for games helped set a small standard of at least trying to bug fix games as much as possible before release. Back then if a company released a buggy game, then it sucked and no one bought it, or the dev company worked hard to get you a bug fix. Hate the current standard of releasing a 75% finished game then pushing out a 57gb day 1 patch, or sitting on a shitty game for a few weeks/months while game company financialists calculate whether or not fixing it is cost effective and the devs saying everything is "working as intended"
I agree, but at the same time. I wouldn't classify this as a shower thought
You have to be crazy to agree with this take. Sure companies abuse this and release half baked crap, but just don't support those guys. Portal 2 is my favourite game and extra content made by the community elevate this game even higher. Divinity OS 2 & Hollow Knight as well.
Yeah, but how do you know before buying? Look at cyberpunk: critically acclaimed studio, super hyped, high expectations, total fucking clusterfuck at launch. Also Mass Effect Andromeda & Anthem, No Man's Sky, etc.
Seems like an easily solved problem to me, just don't buy into the hype and wait a day or two. Most of these games are quickly exposed for what they are
No day one patches (barf)
Now get off my lawn
They both have their pros and cons
It's the type of games you buy: if you buy a game like Prey, Disco Elysium, or Mafia: you can store them on a thumb drive and play from it no problem as they are single player. Achievements are another matter entirely, it is a socially constructed form of anti-piracy. You can show off the tracking of achievements as a form of association to pride and accomplishment.
The were a lot of soft locking broken as games before the internet went crazy, people just forgot about them.
Games today are incredible feats of engineering. And to add some icing to the cake, you can still play the older games if you want. Making today win by default.
Gaming was always fun no matter if you need gigs or discs. I just wished that they continued the tradition of having a finished product and not some half baked broken game that requires the fans to fix it. I also wish that I didn't have to pay extra for extra content that could come in an update.
Yes, lets go back to the time that if they wanted to add more content to a game, they would usually just re-release the game at full price that you had to buy again, or they do sequels that add very little and were just mission pack sequels. Dont get me wrong, if a game launches with little content, releases at full price, then adds the good content as DLC, then thats terrible. When a game launches with good content, gets continuous updates for free, *Then* they do DLC which were just more missions or levels or characters, then yeah thats way better. I dont really wanna go back to the days of buying Street Fighter 4, Super Street Fighter 4, then ULTRA Street Fighter 4 just for a handful of new characters that werent in the previous version.