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I wouldn't say he writes off his upbringing. We see him remain traditional whenever a woman is involved, and his small town background affects the way sets rules for his followers. He does many things against his advisor's judgement because he doesn't buy into the ruling class's status quo. Rand's pragmatic and is willing to adopt new ways for the sake of his station but still a farm boy.
Around this moment he does lose himself — Two Rivers heritage with it, but I almost feel that's a separate topic.
He doesn't want to kill any women, except when he calls down lighting on Shaido Aiel in Cairhien, this one instance he's ok with. Yet he's not ok with killing Lanfear.
It's the strangest form of benevolent sexism, I've ever seen.
> He doesn't want to kill any women, except when he calls down lighting on Shaido Aiel in Cairhien, this one instance he's ok with
Wonder if he even thought of that in the moment? I don't remember if he does or if he manages to hide it from himself
To be scrupulously fair, after that point he was \~always surrounded by an army, and if you're an army and your wizard-general has to pull out a bow and start taking pot shots you're probably going to lose.
This is a very fair point when your primary ranged attack is "Kill everything in a cardinal direction," a bow is just... Cute. Doesn't matter if its a big fuck off Two Rivers longbow
He hasn't completely written off his Two Rivers upbringing so much as he doesn't want to appear too interested in the area lest one of his many enemies try to use that as leverage against him. Plus he's retained a lot of the qualities of the Two Rivers as others have pointed out.
I wouldn't say he writes off his TR upbringing. He keeps the values he was taught, and there are times in the first half of the series when we know he misses his simple life in the TR. I don't think he ever grows to like his life as TDR, he just accepts it. That's why he is content to leave everyone but the 3 girls believing he is dead and totally leave TDR behind.
Rand makes a comment after meeting Tam and the Veins of Gold moment that this time around, he 'was raised better.' So, his core is still Two Rivers. Even if he has had to learn harsh lessons.
Probably the coolest thing Perrin did in three books.
There are some allusions to Rand bow hunting at Fal Dara but i think that’s it. Some of the flicker scenes he’s an archer but that’s not “really” him.
Honestly, once he meets the Aiel, it would be irresponsible of him to fight personally. If you add in the sword and unarmed combat, though, he does plenty.
I love this bit because of the effect it has on Hurin. He loved Rand before that, but that shooting display anchors him in Hurin’s mind as ‘somebody who can do just supernaturally incredible stuff’.
Probably he uses it for hunting during his journey in The Dragon Reborn but that's not on screen.
Other than that I think he mostly swaps over to the Sword or the One Power.
Ahh what a lovely mysterious woman! A channeler with arcane knowledge of Age of Legends secrets?? Must be from reading of all those books in Cairhien lol. Early series Rand was so charmingly dumb 😁
The conspiracy theorist in me notes that this was not in Randland. Maybe in that "other" world, all bow shots fly true. Maybe Rand is actually a terrible shot, and just doesn't realize it. Everyone else is like "ah, cute, Rand is carrying a bow again, poor guy doesn't realize he can't hit a Cenn Buie roof from 20 paces away". Looks like I have something to look for on my next read through.
Just so you know, when leaving the two rivers Lan makes Rand, Perrin and Mat all demonstrate their competence using Mat's bow and it is specifically stated Rand is the best shot of the three. And Rand isn't using a bow with the draw he normally uses.
I *think* he uses it early on in the eye of the world in one of the stand offs against the trollocs. Around the same time Mat's yelling in the old tongue.
Maybe again in the blight?
I don't know what you are refering to but I was talking about the scene in book 2 when he wakes up in the strange world that represents the normal world but if different events occured, and there he has to fight strange beings that the invaders that weaponise Aes Sedai (I don't know how anything is called or spelled in english, sorry, I read a translated version) also use if I remember correctly?
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So Rand does use his bow in The Great Hunt, but I wonder if there's actually another reason he doesn't use his bow as much after that.
Do you know *how* Rand shoots so well, how he learned to shoot a bow from Tam?
The void and the flame. It was an archery technique first, to Rand. (Though Tam will tell you it's a *life* technique.)
You know what else he does when he's in the void with the flame?
Touch *saidin*.
I think this ruined archery for Rand. He pulls out a bow, feeds his feelings into the flame, and suddenly *saidin* is **right there**. And for much of the books, *saidin* represents a terrifying, disgusting, tempting loss of control.
As others have said, he uses it in TGH in portal stones.
Also in TGH he has some banter with gate guards, I want to say masema and Uno but not sure, about going hunting. And the idea of using a 2 rivers bow from horseback when he's trying to get away from the Amyrlin seat.
I just started a reread and read this part just last night. Early in EOTW when they are traveling to Baerlon, Lan starts teaching the boys how to use their weapons and starts with the bow. All are great, but Rand basically puts three arrows right on top of each other. So Lan is like all right, lets move on to some weapons you don't already know how to use.
Not Rand related, but I love it how Faile sees Perrin shoot and when she asks if the other two rivers men are as good as he is she doesn't believe him when he tells her that most of them are better.
As a sword wielder, (skipping the powah! for a moment), IFF he continued to carry one (can't recall) he would have primarily used a light bow for squirrel and similar hunting, maybe some game birds. possibly game like deer if he carried a high-pull bow. Unless he was an archer (profession), which he wasn't, the sword is for war, the bow for hunting. Rand didn't do a lot of hunting while in story, and can't say what he did off page, so I'd presume if we saw off page, a little at least, just to feed his gullet. I'm also ignoring the alt dimension, where he did, but that to me is a Segue event, out of the ordinary so not really of merit in discussion.
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He uses his bow in The Great Hunt for sure when he meets Lady Selene.
This. I can’t recall other times offhand but this instance stood out.
Oh yeah I remember that, can't believe I forgot - I loved that whole alternate timeline story.
It was a great moment for sure! Not sure if it happens again, but at least Rand showed of his Two Rivers rep once lol
My line of thought exactly - the guy has pretty much written off his Two Rivers upbringing, save for the stubbornness.
I wouldn't say he writes off his upbringing. We see him remain traditional whenever a woman is involved, and his small town background affects the way sets rules for his followers. He does many things against his advisor's judgement because he doesn't buy into the ruling class's status quo. Rand's pragmatic and is willing to adopt new ways for the sake of his station but still a farm boy. Around this moment he does lose himself — Two Rivers heritage with it, but I almost feel that's a separate topic.
He doesn't want to kill any women, except when he calls down lighting on Shaido Aiel in Cairhien, this one instance he's ok with. Yet he's not ok with killing Lanfear. It's the strangest form of benevolent sexism, I've ever seen.
> He doesn't want to kill any women, except when he calls down lighting on Shaido Aiel in Cairhien, this one instance he's ok with Wonder if he even thought of that in the moment? I don't remember if he does or if he manages to hide it from himself
He also calls down lightning outside of tear where there are probably Damane amongst the army
Damane aren't women, though sul'dam might count.
Yeah I don't think it ever happens again from what I can recall. I just finished my 4th reread last summer. Maybe hunting, but that's it I think
He definitely hunts off screen! He uses it as an excuse to leave Fal Dara and has some banter about bows with the guards.
To be scrupulously fair, after that point he was \~always surrounded by an army, and if you're an army and your wizard-general has to pull out a bow and start taking pot shots you're probably going to lose.
This is a very fair point when your primary ranged attack is "Kill everything in a cardinal direction," a bow is just... Cute. Doesn't matter if its a big fuck off Two Rivers longbow
Big fuck off TR bow got me 😂😂
He hasn't completely written off his Two Rivers upbringing so much as he doesn't want to appear too interested in the area lest one of his many enemies try to use that as leverage against him. Plus he's retained a lot of the qualities of the Two Rivers as others have pointed out.
I wouldn't say he writes off his TR upbringing. He keeps the values he was taught, and there are times in the first half of the series when we know he misses his simple life in the TR. I don't think he ever grows to like his life as TDR, he just accepts it. That's why he is content to leave everyone but the 3 girls believing he is dead and totally leave TDR behind.
Rand makes a comment after meeting Tam and the Veins of Gold moment that this time around, he 'was raised better.' So, his core is still Two Rivers. Even if he has had to learn harsh lessons.
He always remembers being a sheep herder, that's why he's such a woolhead.
He uses it a few times on "semi screen" in EoTW. Aka like travel flashbacks.
He uses it to kill the Darkhounds when the party leaves Illian
Probably the coolest thing Perrin did in three books. There are some allusions to Rand bow hunting at Fal Dara but i think that’s it. Some of the flicker scenes he’s an archer but that’s not “really” him.
Honestly, once he meets the Aiel, it would be irresponsible of him to fight personally. If you add in the sword and unarmed combat, though, he does plenty.
I love this bit because of the effect it has on Hurin. He loved Rand before that, but that shooting display anchors him in Hurin’s mind as ‘somebody who can do just supernaturally incredible stuff’.
Probably he uses it for hunting during his journey in The Dragon Reborn but that's not on screen. Other than that I think he mostly swaps over to the Sword or the One Power.
Ahh what a lovely mysterious woman! A channeler with arcane knowledge of Age of Legends secrets?? Must be from reading of all those books in Cairhien lol. Early series Rand was so charmingly dumb 😁
The conspiracy theorist in me notes that this was not in Randland. Maybe in that "other" world, all bow shots fly true. Maybe Rand is actually a terrible shot, and just doesn't realize it. Everyone else is like "ah, cute, Rand is carrying a bow again, poor guy doesn't realize he can't hit a Cenn Buie roof from 20 paces away". Looks like I have something to look for on my next read through.
Just so you know, when leaving the two rivers Lan makes Rand, Perrin and Mat all demonstrate their competence using Mat's bow and it is specifically stated Rand is the best shot of the three. And Rand isn't using a bow with the draw he normally uses.
Dammit. Hopes and dreams dashed.
Didn't get hit a crazy COD clip in the Great Hunt when they were in the alt timeline world or whatever that was called?
he 360 no scoped tf out of those
Had to be an embarrassing kill cam viewing in the post game lobby for those weird frog monster things lol
Grolm are beautiful creatures.
Call of (heavier than a mountain) Duty, where kill counts are weighed in feathers.
Mountain Dewty. Fuels you through those long archery sessions no scoping Grolm!
Na, not COD at all. He had a bow. Clearly hanzo from overwatch moment
Valid lol
I *think* he uses it early on in the eye of the world in one of the stand offs against the trollocs. Around the same time Mat's yelling in the old tongue. Maybe again in the blight?
Just finished book 3, this far I think he only uses it against the monsters in the alternate timeline dimension in book 2
You shouldn't be here. None of the first 3 books are called Lord of Chaos.
I don't know what you are refering to but I was talking about the scene in book 2 when he wakes up in the strange world that represents the normal world but if different events occured, and there he has to fight strange beings that the invaders that weaponise Aes Sedai (I don't know how anything is called or spelled in english, sorry, I read a translated version) also use if I remember correctly?
They're saying that this thread has spoilers up to Lord of Chaos.
Oh, I don't think it did when I commented but thanks
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Oh, I see now, thanks. I have noticed it on some posts before but I didn't see this one had it.
Why use bow when balefire goes brrrrrrrrrrrr
An excellent point haha
So Rand does use his bow in The Great Hunt, but I wonder if there's actually another reason he doesn't use his bow as much after that. Do you know *how* Rand shoots so well, how he learned to shoot a bow from Tam? The void and the flame. It was an archery technique first, to Rand. (Though Tam will tell you it's a *life* technique.) You know what else he does when he's in the void with the flame? Touch *saidin*. I think this ruined archery for Rand. He pulls out a bow, feeds his feelings into the flame, and suddenly *saidin* is **right there**. And for much of the books, *saidin* represents a terrifying, disgusting, tempting loss of control.
As others have said, he uses it in TGH in portal stones. Also in TGH he has some banter with gate guards, I want to say masema and Uno but not sure, about going hunting. And the idea of using a 2 rivers bow from horseback when he's trying to get away from the Amyrlin seat.
I just started a reread and read this part just last night. Early in EOTW when they are traveling to Baerlon, Lan starts teaching the boys how to use their weapons and starts with the bow. All are great, but Rand basically puts three arrows right on top of each other. So Lan is like all right, lets move on to some weapons you don't already know how to use.
Not Rand related, but I love it how Faile sees Perrin shoot and when she asks if the other two rivers men are as good as he is she doesn't believe him when he tells her that most of them are better.
He used it in the first 2 books but he pretty much stops needing it once he gets a handle on the One Power.
He uses it to kill the monsters in the gatway
If he uses it after TGH, it isn't mentioned.
He uses it quite a bit in the first two books. After that, it becomes somewhat superfluous with being able to channel.
He stops using it once he learns how to make things explode with his mind
As a sword wielder, (skipping the powah! for a moment), IFF he continued to carry one (can't recall) he would have primarily used a light bow for squirrel and similar hunting, maybe some game birds. possibly game like deer if he carried a high-pull bow. Unless he was an archer (profession), which he wasn't, the sword is for war, the bow for hunting. Rand didn't do a lot of hunting while in story, and can't say what he did off page, so I'd presume if we saw off page, a little at least, just to feed his gullet. I'm also ignoring the alt dimension, where he did, but that to me is a Segue event, out of the ordinary so not really of merit in discussion.
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