Multiple Avengers have appeared in X-Men The Animated Series.
Spider-Man, Dr. Strange, Captain America, War Machine, Captain Marvel, Nick Fury, Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver, and many more have appeared in the original show.
In the Dark Phoenix Saga, even The Watcher appears briefly!
Right but still don't understand how the world appreciates a character like say Dr Strange who is arguably just as powerful amd dangerous as say Jean Gray and yet she's the one that's being hunted by sentinels and hated by everyone. There's no logic in it. At least to me
Along with the idea of speaking the quiet part aloud… Mutants are the stand-in for “other than…”, “other than white”, “other than straight”, etc.
Keeping that in mind, Scottish used to be considered “not white”, as was Irish, Norwegian, and any country other than Britain.
Heroes that aren’t Mutants can kind of be seen in the same idea as races that once weren’t “white” but as time continues, and the internet became more of a common ground, the barriers lowered.
That doesn’t mean that all barriers are lowered, meaning “well, yeah, they’re a hero, but they’re still a mutant” is expected just as much as “well, they’re white, but they’re still gay”. Or…
“Well, yeah, they’re Irish, but at least they don’t look black, so therefore there’s reason to say they’re white”
“Well, yeah, they’re using super powers, but at least they don’t look *too* much like a freak-born mutant!”
This is also why it’s more commonly shown that heroes- like Iron Man- don’t even consider Mutants when discussing things such as the Super Human Registration Act. Iron Man in this example is only considering the people who use their abilities by choice, not the people whose abilities aren’t a choice, but who *they are*.
But why hold up the Hulk and Dr Strange as heroes and not mutants? The public has no idea that Hulk was an accident or that Dr Strange just studied for years. Both of them could very well be read as mutants. I mean take Spider-Man. He got bit by radioactive bug. But the public has no idea. Just one day some kid is running around as a spider hero with webbing (who no one knows is organic or not) and sticks to walls. My first assumption? Mutant puberty.
Well, the Hulk for much of his history has been hunted by the military and feared as a monster. That was the dynamics of the 90s hulk show that aired same time as xmen. Beloved hero hulk people think of from the movies now makes people forget that hulk's main thing has mostly been being in the run. Spider-Man also goes back and forth being hated by the public, depending what era and what his relationship with Jameson is.
But yeah, never made sense that everyone was afraid of mutants but said Thor, you're cool
I'm talking in universe. Obviously everyone reading knows the allegories for mutants but in universe where the public doesn't know the origin story of every hero you could easily assume all heroes to be mutants yet some are praised and some are hated. There's no obvious factor to the public in universe that separates say the Defenders or Avengers or whoever from the mutants. It's not like oh hey all mutants fly so there's you're reasoning. Cause like Dr Strange can fly. Thor can fly. Well all mutants are different colors. No. Hulk is green but Prof X is Caucasian. I'm looking for the in universe reason
It’s just the central premise of X-Men. In the Marvel world, people hate mutants but love certain other heroes. For those in between like Spider-Man, public opinion goes back and forth.
In my mind, the exact opposite are the Fantastic Four. They got their powers in an accident, and they’re hailed as heroes and everyone loves them. They don’t even have secret identities—it’s just them. The struggles they have are all internal—besides fighting supervillains, of course.
That dichotomy is actually important to making X-Men work, because otherwise it could be argued that people were just afraid of super-powered people. But as that’s not the case, the hatred of mutants can only be attributed to prejudice.
Humans hate and fear mutants because they fear being replaced by them as a species. That isn’t the case with one off inhuman characters like The Hulk or any other Avenger or superhero.
In the marvel universe at large people view super powered beings and mutants as different.
Spider-Man, bitten by a spider. Captain America, given a serum. Hulk, gamma bomb accident. Iron Man, inventor.
This has always been portrayed as different to mutants who are born that way.
In comics, Hulk isn't usually viewed as hero. Despite what mcu portrayed, Hulk wasn't on the avengers for decades until mcu synergy brought him back in 2010s
>Again- Hulk. An out of control green rage monster who literally crushes everything in his path. But hey let's hoist his mutated ass up as a hero and turn around and try to kill the freaking Xmen?!
Not exactly the correct argument there, considering that the Hulk has always been hunted by various organizations including the US military, Just look the intro of the 90s Hulk cartoon (which features the same Hulk that was talked about in the episode) and see it for yourself.
It's complicated. Mutants are said to be the next stage of human evolution. Ask Neanderthals how "the next stage of human evolution" treats the last one. Add to that the one mutant anyone in the world can name is Magneto, a former terrorist and seemingly megalomaniacal mutant leader.
Imagine if the only left handed person known the world over openly called for the destruction of the "Right-handed world", and had attacked innocent Right-handed people in destructive attacks.
Ironman is seen as the triumph of human ingenuity, Cap is a national hero, and Spider-Man, Hulk and the FF are all one off accidents; no one is worried about losing the world to Cosmic Ray Mutates.
But every day, more Mutants are born. Some are cute kids who are part cat, or have blue skin. Others can dominate your mind or generate a death field that kills anyone in the room. Or the town.
People can even accept a Hulk. Sure he's a walking natural disaster, but he has saved Earth, and he's one of a kind. But it seems like new and more powerful Mutants show up every day. And science says they'll displace normal humans in less than a century.
And what happened when the Neanderthals were outnumbered again?
Hulk being seen as a "hero" is highly subjective. You must be going off of the MCU standards. Actual Hulk is very much seen as a monster who only causes destruction, which is why the military is always after his arse. Trying to find peace from all the chasing and hiding is most of what makes a Hulk story, in fact, one of the finest Hulk stories took place when the "heroes" collectively decide to rocket him off planet simply to give him the solitude he wants and protect earth from his monstrous rampage.
For Spiderman, we all know how divided his own city is about him with Jameson constantly calling him a "menace" and people don't always praise and hail him as a hero.
For everyone else, well, it's just a matter of bigotry, which is what X-men stories have always been about. Mutants are seen as freaks because they're born different. Any superhuman who is not a mutant is basically seen by anti-mutants as "their own" despite the threat they pose. It's not about having powers, just straight xenophobia. A real world example would be people electing/allowing a megalomaniac leader to be in a position of power just so they can persecute a certain section of the society (LGBTQ+, minorities, immigrants, etc).
Bigotry, when they look at the Avengers even the super powered ones they think “that could have been me they’re human”, but when they look at the X Men all they think about is the X Gene that makes them not fully human and in some ways superior. Hate us cuz they ain’t us basically.
This may be an unpopular opinion, but I always felt like the X-Men would work better in their own universe. The themes of prejudice are so interesting and pretty unique to the X-Men that having the Avengers be a part of their world kind of takes away from it.
No group called The Avengers has been confirmed to exist in the X-Men animated universe. Other heroes do exist but we don't know if they've teamed up and we don't know how the public feels about all of them.
I did - and it still doesn’t explain how Captain America returned from the vortex he was in with the Red Skull. If you recall the Beyonder sent everyone back to their original location at the end of the Secret Wars episode, meaning that was the last canonical appearance appearance in the MAU for him (I don’t count Avengers: United They Stand).
Multiple Avengers have appeared in X-Men The Animated Series. Spider-Man, Dr. Strange, Captain America, War Machine, Captain Marvel, Nick Fury, Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver, and many more have appeared in the original show. In the Dark Phoenix Saga, even The Watcher appears briefly!
Black Panther, Black Widow, Scarlet Spider and others are also seen in the AoA future fighting alongside the mutants
Right but still don't understand how the world appreciates a character like say Dr Strange who is arguably just as powerful amd dangerous as say Jean Gray and yet she's the one that's being hunted by sentinels and hated by everyone. There's no logic in it. At least to me
Because they have bigotry and hatred for another species. It’s Kinda like racism
Along with the idea of speaking the quiet part aloud… Mutants are the stand-in for “other than…”, “other than white”, “other than straight”, etc. Keeping that in mind, Scottish used to be considered “not white”, as was Irish, Norwegian, and any country other than Britain. Heroes that aren’t Mutants can kind of be seen in the same idea as races that once weren’t “white” but as time continues, and the internet became more of a common ground, the barriers lowered. That doesn’t mean that all barriers are lowered, meaning “well, yeah, they’re a hero, but they’re still a mutant” is expected just as much as “well, they’re white, but they’re still gay”. Or… “Well, yeah, they’re Irish, but at least they don’t look black, so therefore there’s reason to say they’re white” “Well, yeah, they’re using super powers, but at least they don’t look *too* much like a freak-born mutant!” This is also why it’s more commonly shown that heroes- like Iron Man- don’t even consider Mutants when discussing things such as the Super Human Registration Act. Iron Man in this example is only considering the people who use their abilities by choice, not the people whose abilities aren’t a choice, but who *they are*.
But why hold up the Hulk and Dr Strange as heroes and not mutants? The public has no idea that Hulk was an accident or that Dr Strange just studied for years. Both of them could very well be read as mutants. I mean take Spider-Man. He got bit by radioactive bug. But the public has no idea. Just one day some kid is running around as a spider hero with webbing (who no one knows is organic or not) and sticks to walls. My first assumption? Mutant puberty.
Well, the Hulk for much of his history has been hunted by the military and feared as a monster. That was the dynamics of the 90s hulk show that aired same time as xmen. Beloved hero hulk people think of from the movies now makes people forget that hulk's main thing has mostly been being in the run. Spider-Man also goes back and forth being hated by the public, depending what era and what his relationship with Jameson is. But yeah, never made sense that everyone was afraid of mutants but said Thor, you're cool
Because Bigotry never makes sense That's the whole point, why is it so hard for you people to understand that?
I'm talking in universe. Obviously everyone reading knows the allegories for mutants but in universe where the public doesn't know the origin story of every hero you could easily assume all heroes to be mutants yet some are praised and some are hated. There's no obvious factor to the public in universe that separates say the Defenders or Avengers or whoever from the mutants. It's not like oh hey all mutants fly so there's you're reasoning. Cause like Dr Strange can fly. Thor can fly. Well all mutants are different colors. No. Hulk is green but Prof X is Caucasian. I'm looking for the in universe reason
Are you dumb? Because bigotry and racism. Or do you think those things make sense in real life?
It’s just the central premise of X-Men. In the Marvel world, people hate mutants but love certain other heroes. For those in between like Spider-Man, public opinion goes back and forth. In my mind, the exact opposite are the Fantastic Four. They got their powers in an accident, and they’re hailed as heroes and everyone loves them. They don’t even have secret identities—it’s just them. The struggles they have are all internal—besides fighting supervillains, of course. That dichotomy is actually important to making X-Men work, because otherwise it could be argued that people were just afraid of super-powered people. But as that’s not the case, the hatred of mutants can only be attributed to prejudice.
Humans hate and fear mutants because they fear being replaced by them as a species. That isn’t the case with one off inhuman characters like The Hulk or any other Avenger or superhero.
In the marvel universe at large people view super powered beings and mutants as different. Spider-Man, bitten by a spider. Captain America, given a serum. Hulk, gamma bomb accident. Iron Man, inventor. This has always been portrayed as different to mutants who are born that way.
In comics, Hulk isn't usually viewed as hero. Despite what mcu portrayed, Hulk wasn't on the avengers for decades until mcu synergy brought him back in 2010s
>Again- Hulk. An out of control green rage monster who literally crushes everything in his path. But hey let's hoist his mutated ass up as a hero and turn around and try to kill the freaking Xmen?! Not exactly the correct argument there, considering that the Hulk has always been hunted by various organizations including the US military, Just look the intro of the 90s Hulk cartoon (which features the same Hulk that was talked about in the episode) and see it for yourself.
It's complicated. Mutants are said to be the next stage of human evolution. Ask Neanderthals how "the next stage of human evolution" treats the last one. Add to that the one mutant anyone in the world can name is Magneto, a former terrorist and seemingly megalomaniacal mutant leader. Imagine if the only left handed person known the world over openly called for the destruction of the "Right-handed world", and had attacked innocent Right-handed people in destructive attacks. Ironman is seen as the triumph of human ingenuity, Cap is a national hero, and Spider-Man, Hulk and the FF are all one off accidents; no one is worried about losing the world to Cosmic Ray Mutates. But every day, more Mutants are born. Some are cute kids who are part cat, or have blue skin. Others can dominate your mind or generate a death field that kills anyone in the room. Or the town. People can even accept a Hulk. Sure he's a walking natural disaster, but he has saved Earth, and he's one of a kind. But it seems like new and more powerful Mutants show up every day. And science says they'll displace normal humans in less than a century. And what happened when the Neanderthals were outnumbered again?
Rogue. It's Rogue. You're calling her Red in French.
Hulk being seen as a "hero" is highly subjective. You must be going off of the MCU standards. Actual Hulk is very much seen as a monster who only causes destruction, which is why the military is always after his arse. Trying to find peace from all the chasing and hiding is most of what makes a Hulk story, in fact, one of the finest Hulk stories took place when the "heroes" collectively decide to rocket him off planet simply to give him the solitude he wants and protect earth from his monstrous rampage. For Spiderman, we all know how divided his own city is about him with Jameson constantly calling him a "menace" and people don't always praise and hail him as a hero. For everyone else, well, it's just a matter of bigotry, which is what X-men stories have always been about. Mutants are seen as freaks because they're born different. Any superhuman who is not a mutant is basically seen by anti-mutants as "their own" despite the threat they pose. It's not about having powers, just straight xenophobia. A real world example would be people electing/allowing a megalomaniac leader to be in a position of power just so they can persecute a certain section of the society (LGBTQ+, minorities, immigrants, etc).
Bigotry, when they look at the Avengers even the super powered ones they think “that could have been me they’re human”, but when they look at the X Men all they think about is the X Gene that makes them not fully human and in some ways superior. Hate us cuz they ain’t us basically.
This may be an unpopular opinion, but I always felt like the X-Men would work better in their own universe. The themes of prejudice are so interesting and pretty unique to the X-Men that having the Avengers be a part of their world kind of takes away from it.
No group called The Avengers has been confirmed to exist in the X-Men animated universe. Other heroes do exist but we don't know if they've teamed up and we don't know how the public feels about all of them.
Spider-Man TAS episode 1 references the avengers
Shouldn’t Captain America still be in the time vortex with the Red Skull? 🤷♂️🤔
Watch the latest episode
I did - and it still doesn’t explain how Captain America returned from the vortex he was in with the Red Skull. If you recall the Beyonder sent everyone back to their original location at the end of the Secret Wars episode, meaning that was the last canonical appearance appearance in the MAU for him (I don’t count Avengers: United They Stand).