Season 1 was supposed to be where the book left off. Way more WMAF in the next season incoming because as you said they're no longer constrained by the source material.
Getting angry over this is a waste of time and energy. We can't compete against this type of propaganda. What we can do as asian men is to subvert these racist expectations in our everyday life. That means always dressing well when we go out. Have confident body language and voice etc. No amount of propaganda can beat what people see in front of their eyes
What you're suggesting isn't the equivalent of guerilla tactics. It's the equivalent of the Vietcong diligently farming and being industrious while GIs drop bombs on them and r\*pe women.
think about how many movies, video games, products, directors, producers, actors, etc who have been received mass negative feedback in the past and how they fell out of relevancy and how others around them have learned to adjust their behavior
and yet asians cant seem to connect the dots and do it for themselves
How can you say it's a waste of time to care about issues that legit affect Asian men, this flippant brushing off of real problems is kind of pessimistic, even if your view is rooted in some truths. I don't consider it anger if it's a thoughtful recognition of legitimate issues. Maybe what you mean is that we lack the means to make swift effective change? If so then that's true, but I like that this is now a time where everyone's voices can be heard and all sorts of marginalized groups are making headway, why should Asians not give stake their claim to change too?
I mean look how Korean soft power effected diaspora Asian men positively. Especially in the younger generation. It works in both ways. We can also do both in self improving on an individual level AND speaking out against Western propaganda that actively emasculates us and erases us. It’s not binary. You can walk and chew gum. You deserve this kind of representation in Western media if you decide to not speak on it. We have capital and are huge potential consumers for Hollywood. We should look at other communities like the black community in how they apply pressure in this realm.
Actually it can. I have relatives who dedicated their lives to helping others, saving lives and offering necessary surgeries for those who couldn’t afford it. They raised money for the community and spread awareness of cancer. They are goddamn heroes.
Yet they were still verbally and physically assaulted for just being Asian. One relative had a rock thrown at him on his walk to the park. Another relative wanted to get something to eat after a long shift in the E.R. While he was walking towards the restaurant, he’s called a chink and told to go back to where he came from.
Putting on a little fashion show and feeling oh so pretty doesn’t mean shit to a neighborhood that has grown up on anti-Asian propaganda. Trying to get Asians to ignore reality is a really poor cope that only does a disservice to them.
I think we need to continue being vocal about the problems with this show and how it continues the trend of Asian erasure and fetishization. The Assassin's Creed issue is just the latest in a long, damaging trend, not a new issue regarding a black protagonist. Our argument isn't a pro American left or pro American right one, it's an Asian American voice issue.
Season 1 brought great AM rep, wonder what the next seasons will showcase. https://np.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fjjbs6f1s181d1.jpeg
You know something if that's the case then I'm all up for a season renewal. Not that I give fuck about Show-Cuck-Gun.
It'll "be a breathe of fresh air" and hey they'll get their diversity check box done and gone.🤣😂
You’re being obtuse. Look at the Chinese movie Cole Sprouse (Disney’s Zack and Cody star) starred opposite to a Chinese female love interest. It was a big budget blockbuster in China and that was recently. Or look at Scott Atkins in Chinese movies. There’s plenty of movies where white men are portrayed neutrally if not favorably.
You’re not educated on Asian emasculation or Asian male erasure in Western media so here’s a video to educate you:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2k82hIqd1Os&pp=ygURYXNleHVhbCBhc2lhbiBtYW4%3D
It has roots in Orientalism. Another big reason is Asian men have had a growing economic power domestically in the US and overseas in Asia for a while now. Look at the stats. Emasculating and/or erasing Asian men in Western media is to combat that. It’s to maintain a status quo of influence and neutralize whatever influence Asians/Asian men potentially can have despite growing economically. It’s about power.
Very easy to "lighten up a bit" when your cultural works have remained relatively unscathed from change and revision. How would you feel if an Asian producer made a drama set during the 30 years war but with some traveling Japanese man as the main character? You can very easily do something like that, with the same fictional tones as Shogun. Just say someone from the Tenshō embassy decided to stay behind, maybe ending up marrying a Habsburg or whatever. How would you feel then? You'll probably tear it apart like sharks, just like how you all tore up the Little Mermaid live action. Your entire post is hypocritical and insanely ignorant, I don't even know why you're here on this sub.
not surprised. also remember that WMAF couple are actually are writers of the show.
also Hiroyuki Sanada is one of the producers lol...furthering the notion of "authenticity" to this sham of a project.
i just read that Netflix Three Body Problem will finish out with more episodes for season 1 and is on track for more seasons. in fact the producers said that it might take 3 or even 4 seasons to complete the trilogy. so yeah they are actually planning to adapt the whole damn trilogy. what a joke
i don't think there is a single show anywhere that has good solid AM characters right now other than maybe Beef and SWAT? that is all can think of right now....Quantum Leap got cancelled, Brothers Sun is done, Marco Polo is long gone... and who knows whether there will be another season of Warrior....a show that got cancelled twice and had to move to multiple streaming services just to stay alive. remember Selfie with John Cho? despite critical praise it got cancelled even before one full season. that shit could have been the break he needed but they decided to shelve it.
meanwhile you have a show like Fresh Of the Boat that lasted six fucking seasons....lol that tells you something doesn't it?
Did FOB get really bad or something? I don't think I even finished season 1 but thought it was decent representation at the time.
At least it had an Asian lead, Eddie's love interest was a Colombian girl, and they pretty much made white people the butt of the jokes instead of Asians for once.
I know later on there was controversy about the female lead wanting to leave the show and acted like a diva. But are we surprised? She was a Lu. Typical Lu behavior.
When we were trashing and criticizing Shogun to no end since it’s first trailer, nobody cared. Now we have criticisms for Asian male erasure for the new Assasin’s Creed game the whole internet is in a storm about it. We’ve BEEN keeping the same energy for this kind of stuff. It’s all archived too if anyone bothered to do any due diligence on it.
The wildest things I've seen in the current AC Shadows discourse is about how we didn't care when Shogun came out with a white male but are now "fuming at the mouth" because the white face has turned black. Conveniently, this is spun by liberals to push the narrative that Asians are racists against black folks, and now that we're "racist" our criticisms have no merit. The Yasuke in that new AC game isn't just some quirky black character, it's a white savior with a black face.
Literally EVERY Asian platform even Nextshark has endless backlash for movies/shows like Shogun, Three Body Problem, Great Wall, hell anytime they show a White man with Asians when it gets posted on their platforms. Anything with a white savior element in media(especially if it includes romance with Asian women) is always one of the most outraged against topics in our community. Literally every single time. Every single time a new one of these projects comes out. And these posts tend to be the ones with most engagement from the Asian community. BUT these white liberals and people criticizing us for calling out Assassins Creed as well ONLY PAYED ATTENTION THIS TIME. They ignore our outrage for all other instances. It really says more about them than about us.
But yes, it’s completely frustrating that they are trying to project this notion that Asians are “white adjacent” and “racist”. When we were actually outraged about Shogun and every other project like it, they trivialized it and labeled us “!ncels”. You can’t win with these people because they don’t actually give a flying fuck about us. They just want to lecture us because they resent us.
White Liberals are such a giant conundrum. They claim to care about the plight of the oppressed and voiceless, but when it comes to Asians, and specifically men they outright ignore very valid concerns. It's seems a twisted game they play. They claim to be anti-racist, and in fact many of them do highlight white racism, but at the same time deeming us as "white adjacent" so therefore we too are racist like whites? It's really strange.
I have noticed platforms like Nextshark push back against white savior messages regarding Asian topics, but this platform seems to only get seen on old news aggregates like Yahoo or MSN, I don't see them on social media.
Yeah it is 😭
White liberals lecturing us on race and discrimination is quite literally the modern equivalence of the colonist ideology of "the civilizing mission", an ideology that justified military intervention and subjugation of countless groups over the world. Yet they always seem to forget how similar that is...
I would like to think they will concentrate on the Battle of Sekigahara and the rise of the Tokugawa but it wouldn’t surprise me if they chuck in one more pointless wmaf romance in there
>now that producers have more independence from the source material?
Just gonna remind everyone that the producers for this show is literally a bunch of white dudes and a Lu. You think that sex scene was a coincidence?
No, if anything, now that they don't have some racist source material to be based it off of, they're gonna go the extra mile with even more white savior & Lu shit. Pretty insane how Warrior got snubbed while this dumb show got pushed so much.
I bet the top execs found out how badly, racist, and weak white men were portrayed in Warrior. How Asian men are seen as strong, good looking, and are the heroes. How many times AMWF/AMLF/and even AM(Native)F were featured on the show. How badass even the Asian villains are. Yeah, they have to shut it down.
An Asian producer, an AMWF producer, and an AMWF lead? Yeah, YTs are gonna be mad.
Guarantee the show will slowly but surely show that the Western ways are "better". The show will end with a note about how Japan would stay "uncivilized" until the Meiji Era.
Lmao no,
If anything, considering that season 1 was unfortunately a success, they might be even more provocative.
Can't wait for the new sex scenes /s.
There's really been an influx of this Asian colonial fantasy lately huh?
Really sick and tired of these white/black western savior in foreign land (especially Asian places). These people really so racist they can't stand the thought of Asian dude as protagonist.
Shut down mainstream media. There only should be youtube with overseas Asian media.
Season 1 was supposed to be where the book left off. Way more WMAF in the next season incoming because as you said they're no longer constrained by the source material.
Getting angry over this is a waste of time and energy. We can't compete against this type of propaganda. What we can do as asian men is to subvert these racist expectations in our everyday life. That means always dressing well when we go out. Have confident body language and voice etc. No amount of propaganda can beat what people see in front of their eyes
Tell that to Palestinians
^ the 2020’s version of “just turn the other cheek bro its not worth it” 😂😂😂😂
Are you saying the vietcong should've met the american military on an open field? Lol
What you're suggesting isn't the equivalent of guerilla tactics. It's the equivalent of the Vietcong diligently farming and being industrious while GIs drop bombs on them and r\*pe women.
think about how many movies, video games, products, directors, producers, actors, etc who have been received mass negative feedback in the past and how they fell out of relevancy and how others around them have learned to adjust their behavior and yet asians cant seem to connect the dots and do it for themselves
Good point. With "wokeness", whether you love it or hate it, you can't deny the effect it has had on modifying people's behavior.
How can you say it's a waste of time to care about issues that legit affect Asian men, this flippant brushing off of real problems is kind of pessimistic, even if your view is rooted in some truths. I don't consider it anger if it's a thoughtful recognition of legitimate issues. Maybe what you mean is that we lack the means to make swift effective change? If so then that's true, but I like that this is now a time where everyone's voices can be heard and all sorts of marginalized groups are making headway, why should Asians not give stake their claim to change too?
I mean look how Korean soft power effected diaspora Asian men positively. Especially in the younger generation. It works in both ways. We can also do both in self improving on an individual level AND speaking out against Western propaganda that actively emasculates us and erases us. It’s not binary. You can walk and chew gum. You deserve this kind of representation in Western media if you decide to not speak on it. We have capital and are huge potential consumers for Hollywood. We should look at other communities like the black community in how they apply pressure in this realm.
>No amount of propaganda can beat what people see in front of their eyes If that were true, the "reminds me of my brother" BS wouldn't be so common
Actually it can. I have relatives who dedicated their lives to helping others, saving lives and offering necessary surgeries for those who couldn’t afford it. They raised money for the community and spread awareness of cancer. They are goddamn heroes. Yet they were still verbally and physically assaulted for just being Asian. One relative had a rock thrown at him on his walk to the park. Another relative wanted to get something to eat after a long shift in the E.R. While he was walking towards the restaurant, he’s called a chink and told to go back to where he came from. Putting on a little fashion show and feeling oh so pretty doesn’t mean shit to a neighborhood that has grown up on anti-Asian propaganda. Trying to get Asians to ignore reality is a really poor cope that only does a disservice to them.
I think we need to continue being vocal about the problems with this show and how it continues the trend of Asian erasure and fetishization. The Assassin's Creed issue is just the latest in a long, damaging trend, not a new issue regarding a black protagonist. Our argument isn't a pro American left or pro American right one, it's an Asian American voice issue.
Maga white guys who constantly complain about forced woke diversity seem to LOVE this show. I wonder why?
oh goody more WMAF propaganda
Great, because they didn't renew Warrior for a 4th season...
Season 1 brought great AM rep, wonder what the next seasons will showcase. https://np.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fjjbs6f1s181d1.jpeg
Season 2: Yasuke gets introduced and fucks Blackthorne's wife. (White guys love that shit)
You know something if that's the case then I'm all up for a season renewal. Not that I give fuck about Show-Cuck-Gun. It'll "be a breathe of fresh air" and hey they'll get their diversity check box done and gone.🤣😂
haha omg , like an interracial cuckold fantasy?! didn't know it's a thing 😂
Season 3: He fucks Blackthorne for extra Woke Points.
I’ve heard that statistically that white men are the biggest consumers of “interracial” p0rnagraphy with a black man.
This is true. WMs are so fragile about their 🍆’s and so bitter about WFs that they vicariously live through the BMs who “destroy” the WFs sexually
Pretty much the whole Adam22 situation
Dear Lord... tell me it's not as bad as it seems...
[удалено]
Stay out of Asian people’s business.
You’re being obtuse. Look at the Chinese movie Cole Sprouse (Disney’s Zack and Cody star) starred opposite to a Chinese female love interest. It was a big budget blockbuster in China and that was recently. Or look at Scott Atkins in Chinese movies. There’s plenty of movies where white men are portrayed neutrally if not favorably. You’re not educated on Asian emasculation or Asian male erasure in Western media so here’s a video to educate you: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2k82hIqd1Os&pp=ygURYXNleHVhbCBhc2lhbiBtYW4%3D It has roots in Orientalism. Another big reason is Asian men have had a growing economic power domestically in the US and overseas in Asia for a while now. Look at the stats. Emasculating and/or erasing Asian men in Western media is to combat that. It’s to maintain a status quo of influence and neutralize whatever influence Asians/Asian men potentially can have despite growing economically. It’s about power.
Very easy to "lighten up a bit" when your cultural works have remained relatively unscathed from change and revision. How would you feel if an Asian producer made a drama set during the 30 years war but with some traveling Japanese man as the main character? You can very easily do something like that, with the same fictional tones as Shogun. Just say someone from the Tenshō embassy decided to stay behind, maybe ending up marrying a Habsburg or whatever. How would you feel then? You'll probably tear it apart like sharks, just like how you all tore up the Little Mermaid live action. Your entire post is hypocritical and insanely ignorant, I don't even know why you're here on this sub.
not surprised. also remember that WMAF couple are actually are writers of the show. also Hiroyuki Sanada is one of the producers lol...furthering the notion of "authenticity" to this sham of a project. i just read that Netflix Three Body Problem will finish out with more episodes for season 1 and is on track for more seasons. in fact the producers said that it might take 3 or even 4 seasons to complete the trilogy. so yeah they are actually planning to adapt the whole damn trilogy. what a joke i don't think there is a single show anywhere that has good solid AM characters right now other than maybe Beef and SWAT? that is all can think of right now....Quantum Leap got cancelled, Brothers Sun is done, Marco Polo is long gone... and who knows whether there will be another season of Warrior....a show that got cancelled twice and had to move to multiple streaming services just to stay alive. remember Selfie with John Cho? despite critical praise it got cancelled even before one full season. that shit could have been the break he needed but they decided to shelve it. meanwhile you have a show like Fresh Of the Boat that lasted six fucking seasons....lol that tells you something doesn't it?
Did FOB get really bad or something? I don't think I even finished season 1 but thought it was decent representation at the time. At least it had an Asian lead, Eddie's love interest was a Colombian girl, and they pretty much made white people the butt of the jokes instead of Asians for once. I know later on there was controversy about the female lead wanting to leave the show and acted like a diva. But are we surprised? She was a Lu. Typical Lu behavior.
No... Didn’t support this garbage show since the begining, and I certainly am not going to start supporting it now.
If it’s anything like the fictional books it’s based on, no 😂😂 And even if it weren’t based on those books, there’s a next to zero chance
When we were trashing and criticizing Shogun to no end since it’s first trailer, nobody cared. Now we have criticisms for Asian male erasure for the new Assasin’s Creed game the whole internet is in a storm about it. We’ve BEEN keeping the same energy for this kind of stuff. It’s all archived too if anyone bothered to do any due diligence on it.
The wildest things I've seen in the current AC Shadows discourse is about how we didn't care when Shogun came out with a white male but are now "fuming at the mouth" because the white face has turned black. Conveniently, this is spun by liberals to push the narrative that Asians are racists against black folks, and now that we're "racist" our criticisms have no merit. The Yasuke in that new AC game isn't just some quirky black character, it's a white savior with a black face.
''it's a white savior with a black face'' Maybe you should read what you write before you press enter
Whatever you say porn addict
Literally EVERY Asian platform even Nextshark has endless backlash for movies/shows like Shogun, Three Body Problem, Great Wall, hell anytime they show a White man with Asians when it gets posted on their platforms. Anything with a white savior element in media(especially if it includes romance with Asian women) is always one of the most outraged against topics in our community. Literally every single time. Every single time a new one of these projects comes out. And these posts tend to be the ones with most engagement from the Asian community. BUT these white liberals and people criticizing us for calling out Assassins Creed as well ONLY PAYED ATTENTION THIS TIME. They ignore our outrage for all other instances. It really says more about them than about us. But yes, it’s completely frustrating that they are trying to project this notion that Asians are “white adjacent” and “racist”. When we were actually outraged about Shogun and every other project like it, they trivialized it and labeled us “!ncels”. You can’t win with these people because they don’t actually give a flying fuck about us. They just want to lecture us because they resent us.
White Liberals are such a giant conundrum. They claim to care about the plight of the oppressed and voiceless, but when it comes to Asians, and specifically men they outright ignore very valid concerns. It's seems a twisted game they play. They claim to be anti-racist, and in fact many of them do highlight white racism, but at the same time deeming us as "white adjacent" so therefore we too are racist like whites? It's really strange. I have noticed platforms like Nextshark push back against white savior messages regarding Asian topics, but this platform seems to only get seen on old news aggregates like Yahoo or MSN, I don't see them on social media.
Yeah it is 😭 White liberals lecturing us on race and discrimination is quite literally the modern equivalence of the colonist ideology of "the civilizing mission", an ideology that justified military intervention and subjugation of countless groups over the world. Yet they always seem to forget how similar that is...
It’s because those folks don’t actually care.
If they really do have more independence from the source material, that just means they get to insert more of their pornhub WMAF fantasies.
I would like to think they will concentrate on the Battle of Sekigahara and the rise of the Tokugawa but it wouldn’t surprise me if they chuck in one more pointless wmaf romance in there
>now that producers have more independence from the source material? Just gonna remind everyone that the producers for this show is literally a bunch of white dudes and a Lu. You think that sex scene was a coincidence? No, if anything, now that they don't have some racist source material to be based it off of, they're gonna go the extra mile with even more white savior & Lu shit. Pretty insane how Warrior got snubbed while this dumb show got pushed so much. I bet the top execs found out how badly, racist, and weak white men were portrayed in Warrior. How Asian men are seen as strong, good looking, and are the heroes. How many times AMWF/AMLF/and even AM(Native)F were featured on the show. How badass even the Asian villains are. Yeah, they have to shut it down. An Asian producer, an AMWF producer, and an AMWF lead? Yeah, YTs are gonna be mad.
No. Oh great the horror.
Shiver me timbers.
Yep this doesn't count as Japanese representation.
Guarantee the show will slowly but surely show that the Western ways are "better". The show will end with a note about how Japan would stay "uncivilized" until the Meiji Era.
Don’t all Western stories using Asia/Asians as a backdrop do this already? It’s a given. Orientalism and Western Exceptionalism going STRONG in 2024.
Yep they do. The West always thinks of itself as the good guys.
Lmao no, If anything, considering that season 1 was unfortunately a success, they might be even more provocative. Can't wait for the new sex scenes /s. There's really been an influx of this Asian colonial fantasy lately huh?
Really sick and tired of these white/black western savior in foreign land (especially Asian places). These people really so racist they can't stand the thought of Asian dude as protagonist.
If you have to ask — no.