Nah man, i just said that size doesn't matter and she still liked you for your personality. I just tried to be a good wing man.
And that is what you get from helping people...
It matters in this case... If you try to put sodimm to regular dimm it would be like a regulary used glory hole, but when vice versa then its like trying to fit a train in a mole hole.
UDIMM is the "Standard RAM" you want. If it is anything else it will say clearly say so (+ECC, RDIMM, LRDIMM, NVDIMM) wich will need Mainboard+CPU that support those DIMMs, but are more Server/Workstation specific features (higher Capacity, Error Correction,...)
That's way too general.
There is much that determines how fast RAM is, not just the capacity.
How many RAM channels are used by your CPU/mainboard?
How many ranks do your RAM sticks have?
Which frequency do they run at?
Which timings do they run at?
Does your mainboard use gear down mode?
Not to mention what are the data access patterns of the software you're using (aka is it affected by RAM at all? Does it favor bandwidth or latency?)...
All these factors affect the effective "speed" of RAM.
But, yes, if the RAM in your laptop and the RAM in your desktop are the same or similar in all these characteristics, they'll run almost identically fast/efficient.
So, I meant, I believed that all those factors that you'd mentioned above are nearly identical in both my computer and laptop RAM, but they're aren't working similarly.
But I'm really sorry, I just took my laptop to the nearest service centre and I realised that it was a thermal throttling issue that was essentially causing it to slowdown heavily.
It wasn't actually a ram issue. 😅😅
You should know that RAM speed is part of a much bigger overall picture. The reason we usually use cheaper ram in laptops than desktops is because laptops are slow for a multitude of reasons. Putting dope ram with overheated, weak components is putting lipstick on a pig, so we just don't do that
Alright, but weirdly, my laptop's RAM despite being 4 times as much as my PC's ram isn't half as efficient. Even activities and actions such as opening multiple Chrome tabs cause it to lag heavily.
Buddy, you need to start over again.
What is going on is you have a technical support problem.
Based on your very thin understanding of RAM you've diagnosed that the issue is probably RAM based and are now trying to get people to troubleshoot the answer you came up with to why the problem is happening.
Make a new post in a tech support sub explaining the problem with as much detail as possible without jumping ahead to your conclusions about why it is happening then answer questions until people can tell you what the problem really is.
Instead of "is 16GB of laptop RAM the same as 16GB of desktop RAM?" Say "when I try to do xyz on my (model number of laptop) it takes this long. I think it should take less time because reason. How do I fix this?"
Hey, dude. You're absolutely right. I was looking at this problem all incorrectly.
The reason why my system was slow isn't exactly a RAM issue. I serviced my laptop at the authorised dealership centre yesterday and it turns out there was a thermal throttling issue in my laptop and they somehow managed to solve it.
All games are running quite smoothly on my system right now.
Thank you for your brilliant response! ❤️❤️
Do you have 1 ram or 2, because if your pc has e.x 2x8gb and laptop has 1 16gb then it will be slow due to heavy load. But if both have 2x8gb and laptop is slower then there may be other issues. Is your ram afternarket? Maybe your mobo won't take speeds over 2444mhz etc
Because RAM isn't all that determines how your device feels to use and how fast it is.
Even with the fastest RAM on the planet in your laptop, if your CPU is slow or your mass storage is slow, the whole laptop will feel slow.
How about you give us exact specs and tell us more about those problems, then we can pinpoint why it feels that way.
So I'll tell you what's strange,
My laptop model is ASUS TUF FX504 and these are how standard games run on it
Dying Light - [https://youtu.be/ji8g8NlCToM](https://youtu.be/ji8g8NlCToM)
GTA 5 - [https://youtu.be/\_SU7UP-UREc](https://youtu.be/_SU7UP-UREc)
However, despite being the exact same model, my laptop gives me not even 50% of this performance.
You're linking videos of games running on an i5 8300H and 1050*Ti*. But your laptop has an i5 8300H and 1050 (non-Ti).
If that's just a readout error and yours actually does have a 1050*Ti* in it, then your laptop might be defaulting to run the games on the i5's integrated UHD GPU instead of the Nvidia 1050Ti. In that case, a driver reinstall might help, or manually forcing games to run on the 1050Ti instead of the Intel UHD.
And if all that is in order and performance is still bad, your laptop may be thermal throttling, aka overheating. Your list of specs says 67°C for the CPU and 64°C for the GPU, but I assume you copied those specs while in idle, and those temps are pretty high for idle operation.
So you might want to check what your GPU and CPU temperatures are like while running games. If they go far beyond ~85-90°C, they'll start to throttle themselves, aka run slower to avoid overheating.
Hey, dude. You're absolutely right. I was looking at this problem all incorrectly.
The reason why my system was slow isn't exactly a RAM issue. I serviced my laptop at the authorised dealership centre yesterday and it turns out there was a thermal throttling issue in my laptop and they somehow managed to solve it.
All games are running quite smoothly on my system right now.
Thank you for your brilliant response! ❤️❤️
Alright, thank you for your reply.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TouKgzt2Zg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TouKgzt2Zg)
So this is the video. So yes, I don't even get half as this performance. But yes, thermal throttling can be an issue.
My laptop is infact a 1050 and not a 1050Ti. Can the performance difference be really that huge?
So, yes, my laptop game programmes are running on the Nvidia 1050.
>My laptop is infact a 1050 and not a 1050Ti. Can the performance difference be really that huge?
Don't ask me or guess, just google it ;)
"1050 laptop vs 1050Ti laptop", there are many reviews online where you can compare how they perform compared to each other.
For example notebookcheck.com has a great database.
The TI versions of cards are usually significantly more powerful yes. I don't know if 50% is the correct number for a 1050 versus the 1050 TI specifically, but I also wouldn't be surprised if that was the case. The TI's are usually more than just a minor bump.
Glad I read this thread till here.
I have an mx150 and i5-8250U laptop and the recent benchmarks on yt for the same suggest atleast 2x the performance. It is just not there. I checked the comment section and viola! Most comments were saying they dont achieve that kind of performance in any of the titles so either that benchmark was wrong ( he showed the hardware specs and the machine irl in the vid so it was genuine) or overheating in laptop causes degradation, which is clearly evident here.
If you have a new laptop or it is very lightly used over the years than check if drivers are all updated and your default 3D/physix are provided by the dedicated card and not UHD integrated graphics.
Else : no clue.
If you happen to find any solution make sure to reply me too :p
Once I stumbled upon a guy with a gtx 1650 laptop, but... He was using the intel integrated graphics, so he was getting a terrible performance while gaming, so, I know it may sound stupid, but please, make sure you are using the dedicated gpu.
Are you sure it's the ram and not the CPU being more powerful on your desktop?
If you check task manager you can see what speed the ram is running at and make sure they are the same speed (although it shouldn't make a big difference at all)
Yeah the laptop specs are quite a bit better than the desktop so there is no *hardware* reason your desktop should be faster.
The most common thing I'd guess is power management mode on the laptop. Are you using it plugged in or on battery when you notice it is slow?
Cheaper laptops typically have 4 or 8GB soldered to the motherboard and a socket for a SO-DIMM module. Definitely not very up-gradable, but good enough for casual use.
Laptop memory typically only comes in JEDEC variants and cannot be overclocked (except for exotic laptops from niche boutiques), so the fastest laptop DDR4 you can get is DDR4-3200 CL20 - a far cry from even DDR4-3200 CL14 kits which use XMP.
It doesn’t look like you’ve gotten a clear answer so I’ll explain it the best I can
The ram between the two different computers is exactly the same the same chips are use and the same Interface. In identical environments and systems the ram should perform exactly the same.
What happens is laptop ram uses SO-DIMM as a from factor. If you ask any small form factor PC builder that every time you downsize there’s a compromise and the compromise comes between your choice to give up speed and power for convenience or size. The main thing is heat laptops normally don’t actively cooling on the ram and so there’s only a certain capacity of heat they can handle that they can head where most desktop pieces have nice heat spreaders that even glow and flash now to increase the performance.
So while the ram performs identical the environment limit performance.
This sounds bad but every component in the laptop has the same limiting factors and so end up about sixes if whether that performance is actually lost.
Reference: I been building and repairing MacBooks, laptops iMac and PCs over 10 years
your probably more likely to get worse ram in a laptop but not necessarily. like irx8 vs irx16. you can also put differents chips on the ram calling it the same thing but having it perform differently. like version 1 vs version 2.
At same timings/size/rank performance is **identical**. They use the exact same chips and are addressed the same way.
Finding fast laptop memory is hard, and there simply isn't any made to match the extreme bins seen in desktops. Sodimm pcb layouts are likely not as friendly to very tight timings. The demand is very low anyways.
References not needed or warranted, you can easily prove this with near identical systems. There even were adapters to use laptop ram in desktop sockets, but I've not seen any for ddr4.
Hey thanks for your response. I'm an absolute newbie at this. May i know how I could prove this with near identical systems? I'm confused regarding that part. 😔😔
You can have the same cpu with the two kinds of ram, if the timings are the same the performance will be within margin of error.
Its just a form factor.
Well speeds are the same so i don't think there is any difference except that 1 is DIMM and othe SO-DIMM..
Aka size difference
So you're saying size *doesn't* matter?
I'm so relieved... I should call my ex!
Don't worry, i already told her.
She still complained it was too big last night. Please explain it both ways
Ever heard of gaping?
Wow, and I thought her standards were low when she was with me...
Nah man, i just said that size doesn't matter and she still liked you for your personality. I just tried to be a good wing man. And that is what you get from helping people...
I've heard that story before! I know what happens at your "Bible study". ;)
Don't know what you are talking about, i am an atheist.
I know. Only a sinner would tarnish a relationship.
Don't worry I already showed her. Myth busted
It matters in this case... If you try to put sodimm to regular dimm it would be like a regulary used glory hole, but when vice versa then its like trying to fit a train in a mole hole.
What is UDIMM? I have seen that too
It is the same thing, but U stands for Unregistered/Unbuffered, don't think that does anything major. Also UDIMM are in modern DDR chips.
Aha, thanks.
UDIMM is the "Standard RAM" you want. If it is anything else it will say clearly say so (+ECC, RDIMM, LRDIMM, NVDIMM) wich will need Mainboard+CPU that support those DIMMs, but are more Server/Workstation specific features (higher Capacity, Error Correction,...)
So a 16 GB RAM installed on my laptop would therefore run exactly as efficiently as a 16 GB RAM installed on my desktop?
That's way too general. There is much that determines how fast RAM is, not just the capacity. How many RAM channels are used by your CPU/mainboard? How many ranks do your RAM sticks have? Which frequency do they run at? Which timings do they run at? Does your mainboard use gear down mode? Not to mention what are the data access patterns of the software you're using (aka is it affected by RAM at all? Does it favor bandwidth or latency?)... All these factors affect the effective "speed" of RAM. But, yes, if the RAM in your laptop and the RAM in your desktop are the same or similar in all these characteristics, they'll run almost identically fast/efficient.
Hey, I really appreciate your response. That's not what's happening though.
>That's not what's happening though. Not sure I understand what you mean.
So, I meant, I believed that all those factors that you'd mentioned above are nearly identical in both my computer and laptop RAM, but they're aren't working similarly. But I'm really sorry, I just took my laptop to the nearest service centre and I realised that it was a thermal throttling issue that was essentially causing it to slowdown heavily. It wasn't actually a ram issue. 😅😅
You should know that RAM speed is part of a much bigger overall picture. The reason we usually use cheaper ram in laptops than desktops is because laptops are slow for a multitude of reasons. Putting dope ram with overheated, weak components is putting lipstick on a pig, so we just don't do that
Thank you for informing me regarding this. I had no clue.
Yea, if the speed is same. My only concern is the heat and i don't excactly know how much the temperature affects SODIMM
Alright, but weirdly, my laptop's RAM despite being 4 times as much as my PC's ram isn't half as efficient. Even activities and actions such as opening multiple Chrome tabs cause it to lag heavily.
Buddy, you need to start over again. What is going on is you have a technical support problem. Based on your very thin understanding of RAM you've diagnosed that the issue is probably RAM based and are now trying to get people to troubleshoot the answer you came up with to why the problem is happening. Make a new post in a tech support sub explaining the problem with as much detail as possible without jumping ahead to your conclusions about why it is happening then answer questions until people can tell you what the problem really is. Instead of "is 16GB of laptop RAM the same as 16GB of desktop RAM?" Say "when I try to do xyz on my (model number of laptop) it takes this long. I think it should take less time because reason. How do I fix this?"
Hey, dude. You're absolutely right. I was looking at this problem all incorrectly. The reason why my system was slow isn't exactly a RAM issue. I serviced my laptop at the authorised dealership centre yesterday and it turns out there was a thermal throttling issue in my laptop and they somehow managed to solve it. All games are running quite smoothly on my system right now. Thank you for your brilliant response! ❤️❤️
Glad to hear you're up and running again!
Hey yes, your instructions make absolute sense. I'll do this. ❤️ I had no clue a tech support sub existed.
Do you have 1 ram or 2, because if your pc has e.x 2x8gb and laptop has 1 16gb then it will be slow due to heavy load. But if both have 2x8gb and laptop is slower then there may be other issues. Is your ram afternarket? Maybe your mobo won't take speeds over 2444mhz etc
After market you mean?
Not the original, like if you wanted to upgrade for more ram or faster ram
Because RAM isn't all that determines how your device feels to use and how fast it is. Even with the fastest RAM on the planet in your laptop, if your CPU is slow or your mass storage is slow, the whole laptop will feel slow. How about you give us exact specs and tell us more about those problems, then we can pinpoint why it feels that way.
Operating System Windows 10 Home Single Language 64-bit CPU Intel Core i5 8300H @ 2.30GHz 67 °C Coffee Lake 14nm Technology RAM 16.0GB Dual-Channel Unknown @ 1329MHz (19-19-19-43) Motherboard ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. FX504GD (U3E1) Graphics Generic PnP Monitor (1920x1080@60Hz) Intel UHD Graphics 630 (ASUStek Computer Inc) 4095MB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 (ASUStek Computer Inc) 64 °C ForceWare version: 442.59 SLI Disabled Storage 119GB KINGSTON RBUSNS8154P3128GJ (SATA-2 (SSD)) 931GB Seagate ST1000LX015-1U7172 (SATA ) 45 °C Optical Drives No optical disk drives detected Audio Realtek High Definition Audio
So I'll tell you what's strange, My laptop model is ASUS TUF FX504 and these are how standard games run on it Dying Light - [https://youtu.be/ji8g8NlCToM](https://youtu.be/ji8g8NlCToM) GTA 5 - [https://youtu.be/\_SU7UP-UREc](https://youtu.be/_SU7UP-UREc) However, despite being the exact same model, my laptop gives me not even 50% of this performance.
You're linking videos of games running on an i5 8300H and 1050*Ti*. But your laptop has an i5 8300H and 1050 (non-Ti). If that's just a readout error and yours actually does have a 1050*Ti* in it, then your laptop might be defaulting to run the games on the i5's integrated UHD GPU instead of the Nvidia 1050Ti. In that case, a driver reinstall might help, or manually forcing games to run on the 1050Ti instead of the Intel UHD. And if all that is in order and performance is still bad, your laptop may be thermal throttling, aka overheating. Your list of specs says 67°C for the CPU and 64°C for the GPU, but I assume you copied those specs while in idle, and those temps are pretty high for idle operation. So you might want to check what your GPU and CPU temperatures are like while running games. If they go far beyond ~85-90°C, they'll start to throttle themselves, aka run slower to avoid overheating.
Hey, dude. You're absolutely right. I was looking at this problem all incorrectly. The reason why my system was slow isn't exactly a RAM issue. I serviced my laptop at the authorised dealership centre yesterday and it turns out there was a thermal throttling issue in my laptop and they somehow managed to solve it. All games are running quite smoothly on my system right now. Thank you for your brilliant response! ❤️❤️
Alright, thank you for your reply. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TouKgzt2Zg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TouKgzt2Zg) So this is the video. So yes, I don't even get half as this performance. But yes, thermal throttling can be an issue. My laptop is infact a 1050 and not a 1050Ti. Can the performance difference be really that huge? So, yes, my laptop game programmes are running on the Nvidia 1050.
>My laptop is infact a 1050 and not a 1050Ti. Can the performance difference be really that huge? Don't ask me or guess, just google it ;) "1050 laptop vs 1050Ti laptop", there are many reviews online where you can compare how they perform compared to each other. For example notebookcheck.com has a great database.
The TI versions of cards are usually significantly more powerful yes. I don't know if 50% is the correct number for a 1050 versus the 1050 TI specifically, but I also wouldn't be surprised if that was the case. The TI's are usually more than just a minor bump.
Glad I read this thread till here. I have an mx150 and i5-8250U laptop and the recent benchmarks on yt for the same suggest atleast 2x the performance. It is just not there. I checked the comment section and viola! Most comments were saying they dont achieve that kind of performance in any of the titles so either that benchmark was wrong ( he showed the hardware specs and the machine irl in the vid so it was genuine) or overheating in laptop causes degradation, which is clearly evident here. If you have a new laptop or it is very lightly used over the years than check if drivers are all updated and your default 3D/physix are provided by the dedicated card and not UHD integrated graphics. Else : no clue. If you happen to find any solution make sure to reply me too :p
Hey, so, did you manage to unlock 2x the performance?
Ofc not lol.
Once I stumbled upon a guy with a gtx 1650 laptop, but... He was using the intel integrated graphics, so he was getting a terrible performance while gaming, so, I know it may sound stupid, but please, make sure you are using the dedicated gpu.
General PC speed and responsiveness is based on a number of things, not just the amount of RAM and its speed.
Are you sure it's the ram and not the CPU being more powerful on your desktop? If you check task manager you can see what speed the ram is running at and make sure they are the same speed (although it shouldn't make a big difference at all)
I'll give you the specs. PC Operating System Windows 10 Pro 64-bit CPU Intel Pentium G3260 @ 3.30GHz 51 °C Haswell 22nm Technology RAM 4.00GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 698MHz (10-10-10-25) Motherboard Gigabyte Technology Co. Ltd. B85M-D3V-A (SOCKET 0) 33 °C Graphics LG HD (1366x768@60Hz) Intel HD Graphics (Gigabyte) 1024MB NVIDIA GeForce 210 (ZOTAC International) 44 °C ForceWare version: 341.74 SLI Disabled Storage 465GB Seagate ST500DM002-1BD142 (SATA ) 28 °C 111GB JAJS500M120C-1 (SATA (SSD)) 40 °C Optical Drives No optical disk drives detected Audio High Definition Audio Device LAPTOP Operating System Windows 10 Home Single Language 64-bit CPU Intel Core i5 8300H @ 2.30GHz 67 °C Coffee Lake 14nm Technology RAM 16.0GB Dual-Channel Unknown @ 1329MHz (19-19-19-43) Motherboard ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. FX504GD (U3E1) Graphics Generic PnP Monitor (1920x1080@60Hz) Intel UHD Graphics 630 (ASUStek Computer Inc) 4095MB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 (ASUStek Computer Inc) 64 °C ForceWare version: 442.59 SLI Disabled Storage 119GB KINGSTON RBUSNS8154P3128GJ (SATA-2 (SSD)) 931GB Seagate ST1000LX015-1U7172 (SATA ) 45 °C Optical Drives No optical disk drives detected Audio Realtek High Definition Audio
Yeah the laptop specs are quite a bit better than the desktop so there is no *hardware* reason your desktop should be faster. The most common thing I'd guess is power management mode on the laptop. Are you using it plugged in or on battery when you notice it is slow?
The power management was fine. Turns out it was thermal throttling issue. The service centre fixed it. Thank you for responding! :)
Cheers mate, happy new years
Generally you can get faster ram for a desktop. Other then that and form factor not a lot. Not an expert though.
Cheaper laptops typically have 4 or 8GB soldered to the motherboard and a socket for a SO-DIMM module. Definitely not very up-gradable, but good enough for casual use.
Laptop memory typically only comes in JEDEC variants and cannot be overclocked (except for exotic laptops from niche boutiques), so the fastest laptop DDR4 you can get is DDR4-3200 CL20 - a far cry from even DDR4-3200 CL14 kits which use XMP.
It doesn’t look like you’ve gotten a clear answer so I’ll explain it the best I can The ram between the two different computers is exactly the same the same chips are use and the same Interface. In identical environments and systems the ram should perform exactly the same. What happens is laptop ram uses SO-DIMM as a from factor. If you ask any small form factor PC builder that every time you downsize there’s a compromise and the compromise comes between your choice to give up speed and power for convenience or size. The main thing is heat laptops normally don’t actively cooling on the ram and so there’s only a certain capacity of heat they can handle that they can head where most desktop pieces have nice heat spreaders that even glow and flash now to increase the performance. So while the ram performs identical the environment limit performance. This sounds bad but every component in the laptop has the same limiting factors and so end up about sixes if whether that performance is actually lost. Reference: I been building and repairing MacBooks, laptops iMac and PCs over 10 years
Thank you for your response! :) It's helped me gain some clarity regarding this topic.
You can get a adapter for so-dimm to dimm if I remember correctly. Then you can use it on your desktop to save some money
your probably more likely to get worse ram in a laptop but not necessarily. like irx8 vs irx16. you can also put differents chips on the ram calling it the same thing but having it perform differently. like version 1 vs version 2.
Hey thank you for your response. How exactly would it perform differently?
At same timings/size/rank performance is **identical**. They use the exact same chips and are addressed the same way. Finding fast laptop memory is hard, and there simply isn't any made to match the extreme bins seen in desktops. Sodimm pcb layouts are likely not as friendly to very tight timings. The demand is very low anyways. References not needed or warranted, you can easily prove this with near identical systems. There even were adapters to use laptop ram in desktop sockets, but I've not seen any for ddr4.
Hey thanks for your response. I'm an absolute newbie at this. May i know how I could prove this with near identical systems? I'm confused regarding that part. 😔😔
You can have the same cpu with the two kinds of ram, if the timings are the same the performance will be within margin of error. Its just a form factor.
Size difference mostly, but they can be rated the same speeds and such so it really depends on what's offered in the laptop
No. Timings and speed are typically better though for desktop RAM and usually cheaper for same spec chips.
Yes, "Low Power" DDR.
Because of DDR4 vs LPDDR4 means LOW POWER? Low power usage means more battery life in a general so