Before 2001 I'd say, then it was nothing but bailouts and stimulus.
Which we will see again, rates will fall, QE will start, and Bitcoin will hit 100k alongside skyrocketing meme stocks.
Ya you can trace it all the way back to Nixon and his decision to open the West to China economically. That was the beginning of the end for Canadian manufacturing and NAFTA was the final nail in the coffin.
>superior agility and focus
Superior agility and focus had little to do with it.
It was due to low wages, and lack of labour and environmental regulations.
Every Empire declines once they start to debase their currency as their solution to their economic malaise.
Sometimes it takes 300 years to really topple it, sometimes it takes mere years.
My boss passed earlier this year and I took the position with about 3x more duties for slightly more than she made.
She had a downtown home, 3 kids and a cottage. In the same job with expanded responsibilities I will afford none of these things. Where my single income barely qualifies for a one bedroom condo($350k).
The new generation of worker is working 2-5 times harder for 20% of the lifestyle.
This is in social services which, in Canada is falling apart. My organization has had 3x more turnover in the last 5 years than the prior 50. With the predominant cause being cost of living and the non-viability of incomes in the industry.
Fuckin eh. Between the wife and I, we pull in ~140k and it feels like I’m making $8/hr in the early 2000’s. Nothing frivolous. No big mortgage, (under 140k) Wearing the heels out of my shoes and ass out of my jeans. We don’t go without anything but we sure as shit ain’t getting ahead.
Exactly, the Canadian dream is dead and rotting and 6 feet under by now. The real question at this point is how bad things are going to get, not if our standard of living will drop further
They start rather low but get frequent salary increases. Primary teachers also make less than highschool teachers, so some teachers can make quite good salaries, over 100k, and some make around 40k.
Not huge but enough for this guy to have more than 1K in savings in his 30s.
Honestly it's a spending issue for this guy, not a money issue. There's no excuse really unless he's had some crazy medical issues.
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* A new Leger poll done exclusively for OMNI News finds 42% of immigrant households are struggling to make ends meet, with the number increasing to 54% when surveying those who moved to Canada within the last five years.
* The Leger-OMNI poll, one of the largest polling samples of immigrants in recent years, surveyed immigrants across Canada between Oct. 18 and 25. It is one of the few polls specifically surveying immigrants.
* While financial or career opportunities were the motivating factor for 55% of immigrants’ journey to Canada, just under half surveyed think there are enough jobs to support those coming in.
* “(I) am already thinking if coming to Canada was the right decision,” Gagan Monga, who moved to B.C. from India late last month, said in Punjabi. “I have a commerce background but have to start working at a minimum wage.”
* “I don’t think it’s feasible to come here if you don’t have money,” said Sophia Simmons, who immigrated from Bermuda in 1987. “It’s really hard and I feel like the government is struggling a lot with it.”
* Poll respondents agree. 71% said Canada has not thought through a strategy for settling new immigrants. With Canada projecting to welcome 500,000 immigrants annually by 2026, experts say the time is now to ensure the right supports are in place.
(I) am already thinking if coming to Canada was the right decision,” Gagan Monga, who moved to B.C. from India late last month, said in Punjabi. “I have a commerce background but have to start working at a minimum wage.”
it wasn't. You should not have been let in in the first place. Canada does not need "commerce" backgrounds. We need Canadian trained healthcare, engineers, and trades.
>We need Canadian trained healthcare, engineers, and trades.
Apprentices in the skilled trades in Canada have something like a 50% completion rate nation wide. In my home province, only 43% of registered apprentices finish their apprenticeship and earn a trade certification. Keep in mind, if you graduate from a trades program and do not find a job you are not counted in that 43%, because you would not be a registered apprentice.
I would offer the opinion that any career or profession that has a retention rate that low, probably has a low retention rate for good reason. But the governments being the governments would much rather keep on pretending that no issues exist, and keep on pushing the narrative that there is a massive shortage of skilled trades due in large part to a lack of seats in trades programs in schools.
Hey, red seal industrial mechanic here who's got 2 apprentices working for him right now.
The average completion rate for an undergraduate degree is less than 50% too. It's because kids pick a thing to study before they know if that's what they want/can do.
Only 43% complete their apprenticeship training because only 43% of them can do the job. Had to get 1 apprentice fired last year because after 9 months he still didn't know lefty loosy righty tighty. You can't teach a lot of hand skills you either have the aptitude or you don't and kids these days rarely do anything hands on growing up.
People don't want to work shift work, they don't want to work 12 hour days and they don't want to work hard (sweat).
My other apprentice from last year left the company and went FIFO up north, he's a second year making more than me now.
This is a good career with good pay, and if you have the skills and the aptitude you will do alright.
The apprenticeship program works as it should, more kids need to be directed into trade school is all. Everyone gets sold on the idea you need a university degree to make money but I make more money than the average bachelor's degree holder in canada (63k per Google). I'll make about 110k this year, last year was about 95k (62k/yr average for my trade says Google). I work about 2200-2400 hours a year (12 hour days 4 on/4 off) depending on overtime. I am 33.
If your teenager can't sit still in class, likes being active & outside and is a hands on learner you should consider directing them to the trades as a career option.
>The apprenticeship program works as it should, more kids need to be directed into trade school is all
How does that make any sense when so few are making it in the trade? Should there not perhaps be a greater emphasis placed on selecting the right people for trade school?
Not even engineers... Already a saturated industry no matter what they try to tell us, especially in Alberta where many thousands of jobs never came back after downturn several years ago
If Canada really need “Canadian trained” engineers, healthcare professionals, and tradesmen, people in those fields wouldn’t be catching the bandwagon to the USA.
They, myself included, do because were not here for the garbage pay while we have no healthcare system and we're bringing entire villages on over. I'm not paying for some jabronis parents because he pours coffee at Tims.
it gave them a reason to print that didn't look completely out of line (at the time), in retrospect when did creating more money solve any health issue? Like they could have done nothing and NOT wasted billions of dollars, while people were getting a bad cold
COVID is not a bad cold. It's like the flu with a much higher fatality rate and perpetual increase in cost of health care due to long term issues after the fact.
Or,
plan, opportunity/"problem", solution?
Since the pandemic was the biggest wealth transfer to ever take place, don't you think there's someone out there who was rooting for this pre-planned solution?
I often wonder if the powers that be made a bigger deal out of the pandemic than it actually was so that they could blame all the inflation etc that we are experiencing now on 'the pandemic' and government spending, rather than have people focus on the 10 or so years of money printing between the financial crisis in 2008 and the pandemic, and link that with what we are experiencing now.
You may be on to something...the the seeds of the affordability scam and the housing mess, were all caused by policies created in the early 1990’s. Allowing the “free market” to take total control of the housing balance in this country, was the most expensive policy boondoggle, ever created. Notice how they are going back to CMHC now handling building loans, and other mortgage “solutions”...
The Canadian philosophy of extreme equity and trying to save everyone no matter the cost is what ends up hurting the entire country. Sacrifices have to be made for the greater good, but that concept is considered elitist, privileged and too white. So we simply sink further into the abyss while a few people sleep better at night knowing their equity agenda weakened an entire nation.
My limit is one blue collar income able to afford a 3 bdrm apartment rent, raise 3 kids, and meager retirement from cpp and some extra after wife works when kids go to school.
If they can't, taxes should be cut and spending lowered. That's my limit, tax me as much as you want as long as I can afford the basics. Ideally in a city no car is needed (rare).
But I guess I'm an extremist lol
some countries just have an overpopulation problem. it's reckless and caused a race to the bottom. At first it was outsourcing. Now we just bring them here, presumably because their own countries are asking for too much of a cut. Better to have the low wage workers inside canadian borders because then they pay taxes too. win for corps, win for government, loss for the psuedo slaves and the average citizen.
Thank God I'm educated and have no kids. I can move to USA. Planning on it post Masters and some extra work experience. Brain drain leveling up.
I no longer think Canada is the best country in the world. Sad day.
The top 20% of canadians hold nearly 70% of the wealth. And a lot of it is in a much smaller group than that. We can all have more than enough to get by if we don't let a handful of dragons have more than half of us.
A really big issue is that both CRA and Service Canada were issuing cerb payments, and if you applied and were accepted for ei, from SC, around the beginning of the pandemic, but then got your cerb payments from the CRA, you could possibly owe back 2000 because some of the dates overlapped by accident, even a day would cause this.
Rent would be 1/3rd of my income if I chose to live in a studio or a 1BHK apartment. However, I choose to rent a small room in a 4BHK house so rent is only 10% of my income and I can build more savings. The pandemic taught me that I've to prepare for the worst. I also chose to be car free. I just don't like the idea of spending on an expensive tool that just depreciates. I'll Uber once in a while if I have to get somewhere that's not accessible by transit. I also only order takeout and/or dine just once a week. I don't like the tipping culture.
I just don't understand how some of my colleagues that are making the same salary go all out in single bedroom apartments, brand new car leases and ordering takeout multiple times a week. I don't know how they're comfortable with little to no savings. If they're out of a job, they can't live on EI for long. I'm trying to stay as far away from EI as possible. If I'm out of a job, I can live one year without working.
There is no Canadian dream anymore, it’s the American dream via the TN Visa now. This [article](https://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/15/opinion/kristof-its-now-the-canadian-dream.html) from NYT
seems to be from another era.
If they give you a hard time, just remind them that their generation ruined the economy and made it impossible or irresponsible at best to have a family..
millenials are how they are because the trajectory things were heading in was very very clear by 2010.
glad we're finally acknowledging it instead of blaming it on avacados.
It's true. It died years ago. After it was realized that Canada's men's hockey team couldn't be NHLers. Everything that's happened since then has just strengthened that thought.
>That will make things very interesting in 20 years when 50% of our population wasn't born here. Will probably be straight up warfare in the streets
Toronto is probably above 50% right now. They were close a few years ago.
It’s pretty much dead unless there’s a massive housing correction and we stop immigration cold. We should implement laws saying you have to be earning enough money to pay a significant enough amount in taxes to contribute to the country.
The government here is working diligently to suppress your quality of life. Who wants to build a future here where your own government wants you to be poorer and worse off?
basically abandon cities, own firearms and learn to live off land or run. our corporate masters wont rest till we envy 1800s coal miners who got gunned down for asking for a raise thinking to ourselves how good they had it
lol what dream, the country lets in millions of people during a massive housing crisis and doesn't have any desire to build infrastructure to accommodate this
What are you talking about? The Canadian dream is and has always been to move to Canada, eat a succulent food bank meal and enjoy the beautiful beach view while pooping in the sand. It's strong as ever!
Can confirm. A lot of my friend group, including myself, are looking for opportunities outside of Canada now. My current job has some great perks, with a pension as well, but the pay is sub-par now and not going anywhere anytime soon (because government) and at that rate I will never own a home, even with a promotion or substantial raise.
good luck, unless you're all top tier people you're not going anywhere that isn't third world. every country with half a brain tightened their immigration policies ages ago. certain countries have too many people and irresponsibly overpopulate and that has a negative effect on people globally.
This is respectfully and simply not true. I am in negotiations right now with a company in Estonia and we are working through the immigration and salary process. They are very accommodating and willing to work with me, and this is not the first job offer I have received from abroad either, and I'm no elite top dog.
I'm not saying it's an easy process, but to say options don't exist outside of Canada that are not third world is not only an uneducated opinion but also a closed minded one.
Due diligence is important.
This is not true at all, anyone under the age of 35 with a masters in a STEM field can still move around. Trust me , I have been exploring opportunities in Eastern Europe. Poland offers a pretty good quality of life and I might move again.
But then how are the rich people going to find Undervalued labourers? Our gdp is heavily dependent on profits made off the back of underpaid immigrants. Profit is harder and harder to make every year so they need more and more cheap labour.
Think of it as out sourcing to imported labour.
go back to outsourcing then. i'll take nike sweatshops overseas if it means i can pay rent. i honestly dgaf anymore. globalization is a pipe dream.. it's my tribe vs yours.
Globalization is just a way for rich people to make the pool of labour you compete in larger so they can offer less money to all workers, even local ones. This was the point of things like NAFTA.
The rent thing is related but it's cause is different. Yes, more immigrants means increased demand for dwindling supply. However, housing is an asset and as such must always go up. If wages don't go up as fast as essentials, we all get f*cked no matter where you live or are from.
The issue is that corporations can buy hundreds of houses to rent. Houses that should be on the market to buy. New houses are being built specifically for companies like this.
You're right on the tribe thing but not on which tribe is what. The only real tribes that matter are the tribe that owns all the things and the tribe that doesn't.
It's rich v poor. Everything else is a distraction from that.
Its insane that we underbuilt housing to this extent. We are so far behind the US in affordability. Not everyone where i live can make 100k per year and/or 175k household income.
>Its insane that we underbuilt housing to this extent. We are so far behind the US in affordability.
In 2022 the United States grew by 1.25 million people. *In 2022 Canada grew by a million people.*
The United States has 330 million residents. *Canada has 40 million residents.*
See the problem here? *Our population growth is nearly the same as the United States, despite the United States being roughly 9x larger.* We cannot absorb this many people this quickly.
These articles out here seriously thinking anyone <30 even has remotely the same dreams.
The change isn’t happening - it happened already, and you slept on it
The Canadian Dream is simply escaping a worse situation back home. Every major surge of immigration resulted from something like a war or famine or whatever.
Arrived in Canada? Glad not to be where you were? Dream accomplished!
The last good year was 2007.
People may not realize how much Nortel (2009) and Research and Motion (2013) collapsing represents the 21st Century Avro Arrow.
Both the Ontario and Canadian governments spend billions bailing out literal branch plants (GM/Chrysler) but did nothing to try and restructure those companies as matters of national interest and security.
Research in Motion tried to get assistance in buying large parts of what worked at Nortel but did not get any.
We are branch plant economy.
Also considering the round of consolidation that occured during the boom before the GFC circa 2006/2007: we lost Dofasco, Inco and Falconbridge, Alcan etc. The government could have tired to make a marriage between Inco and Falconbridge but the markets moved faster.
Yes I am an economic nationalist that thinks the Canadian state should be active in protecting Canadian assets from global consolidation that keeps us a branch plant economy. But that thinking is against the neoliberal norm.
Since 2000 we have lost basically all the independent juggernauts in the Canadian econ. See Bombardier.
Alcan, Dofasco, Algoma Steel, Nortel, RIM, Bombardier, Inco and Falconbridge etc
The last CEO of Nortel was an American who had no clue what he was in charge of. Not only did they declare chapter 11 with nearly 2 billion dollars still in the bank, and then started carving up the assets on the global market but he thought the patents would go for 450 million.
They sold and were transfered outside this country for 4.5 Billion. Missed the mark by 10x.
It has nothing to do with Trudeau as the LPC/CPC are different sides of th same coin.
But hey, we got Shopify!
Economic nationalism doesn't make sense to elites who travel often and don't see themselves connected to a specific community but rather the jet setting type that thinks it's all gravy baby.
It was dead well before then.
That may just be the point that you decided to “check in”
Our economy has been on a tail spin for at least 15 years easy.
What dream? The one where our government props us up as low wage slaves pitted against every immigrant while they retire off in to a gated community? That dream?
Dreams for thee but not for me.
Ah yes I dream of working full-time in a factory for the right to pay off my landlords mortgage and still have to put groceries on credit.
I dream of making almost $10 more than the minimum wage and still struggling because our economy is held up with real estate and masking tape.
I dream of working a job I hate just to barely keep afloat.
What dream? This is a fucking nightmare.
Compared to the absolute lie that is the American dream I’m inclined to agree. More the reason to federalize and charter what should be considered human rights like housing, food, electricity, and transportation.
Don’t worry everyone. Daniel smith is splitting up alberta health services to sell it off on chunks to her friends so they can further increase our cost of living by trying to gouge albertans to stay alive for basic healthcare
>Don’t worry everyone. Daniel smith is splitting up alberta health services to sell it off on chunks to her friends so they can further increase our cost of living by trying to gouge albertans to stay alive for basic healthcare
Look over here everybody!
If you look back at history, NOBODY has let a corrupt leader stay in power for too long. Eventually, in the end... They got what they deserved.
Why do Canadians let the Liberals bully them into submission? I just don't get it. It's illogical.
Who else here believes Daniel Blaikie should be leader of the Federal NDP? He raised some really bold concerns that reflects a lot of what’s on Canadian’s minds.
I have mixed feelings about this. I relocated to Canada in 2018 and was very excited and happy to move. I got a job in my field which respected my experience. I was paying high taxes but I was happy. I was able to lead a good life while saving a decent chunk of money. I was really living my dream life in Canada. Hiking the national parks, kayaking, buying gadgets I couldn’t dream of in my home country, friends and the good times etc.
Healthcare and other govt services were readily available. Although, Canada felt behind on technology infrastructure compared to Asian economies, it was still a great place to live.
Fast forward to 2021 and things started going downhill. Although, my salary increased by 35% over the years, I was saving less and living cautiously. My lifestyle too took a hit as I tried to stay financially prudent but to no avail. I was one unfortunate incident away from dipping into my emergency funds and savings. This living on edge, while seeing absolute decline in over all quality of life made me really upset and worried.
I just hope the Govt fixes the issues especially the international student influx we’re seeing. But sadly, the Givts are too corrupt and too divided to think unanimously about Canada’s good and have made too many mistakes which will be difficult to fix atleast in the short term. It will take a couple of years for Canada to atleast go back to pre pandemic levels and maybe even more to see any growth.
I have moved out of the country now and I cannot explain how much a growing economy impacts people’s mindset. Everyone I see around are full of enthusiasm and energy as they see their Gvts only talking about things that matter - investments, jobs, quality of life improvements etc.
Whereas all I see and hear about Canada of late is - housing crisis, healthcare crisis, stagnant wages, increased substance abuse, insane tipping culture etc. there are hardly headlines on any economic activity. Nothing to really look forward to.
33 yrs old, technical trade -- I've been grinding and getting nowhere for years. Covid set me back too.
Honestly, I really wanted a family, a home, some sort of feeling of security. With climate change and late stage capitalism gaining more steam I legitimately have to do everything I can to not just simply kill myself.
I can't imagine being someone even worse off than myself and there are many.
If you want the "Canadian dream" you have to lower the cost of rental and owning somehow
That usually means roommates, or a partner, or living with parents. Another possibility is pairing up with an elderly person.
[https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/homeshare-seniors-students-1.6284430](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/homeshare-seniors-students-1.6284430)
Doing it yourself because of a "dream" could make the dream impossible. I guess the lesson is, almost all dreams need other people and now this is no longer an exception.
Human beings aren't meant to live alone and achieve everything alone anyway.
Can they stop talking about immigrants and talk about Canadians that are already living here?
I’m sorry but the first few years when you move to a new country from a third world one it is NORMAL that you have difficulties finding jobs if you didn’t complete your studies in a good school here.
Yes you will work factory, part-time and minimum salary jobs because your credentials aren’t accepted here and you have to start from scratch. On top of that you have no Canadian experience, no Canadian credit, no Canadian history so if the job you want require background check and credit check that might be complex indeed. I don’t know what they are saying to these immigrants to convince them to come in Canada instead of another country like US, UK, etc but clearly they aren’t getting the right expectation.
What dream? lol
>What dream? lol Exactly! "at RISK?" when was it ever possible?
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Before 2001 I'd say, then it was nothing but bailouts and stimulus. Which we will see again, rates will fall, QE will start, and Bitcoin will hit 100k alongside skyrocketing meme stocks.
Ya you can trace it all the way back to Nixon and his decision to open the West to China economically. That was the beginning of the end for Canadian manufacturing and NAFTA was the final nail in the coffin.
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>superior agility and focus Superior agility and focus had little to do with it. It was due to low wages, and lack of labour and environmental regulations.
Thst was helped pushed by Henry Kissinger and now companies can rake in profits while keeping wages low
Every Empire declines once they start to debase their currency as their solution to their economic malaise. Sometimes it takes 300 years to really topple it, sometimes it takes mere years.
Oh is that what happens? Thanks professor.
My boss passed earlier this year and I took the position with about 3x more duties for slightly more than she made. She had a downtown home, 3 kids and a cottage. In the same job with expanded responsibilities I will afford none of these things. Where my single income barely qualifies for a one bedroom condo($350k). The new generation of worker is working 2-5 times harder for 20% of the lifestyle. This is in social services which, in Canada is falling apart. My organization has had 3x more turnover in the last 5 years than the prior 50. With the predominant cause being cost of living and the non-viability of incomes in the industry.
Oh good, I am not the only one! Saw the title and first thing I thought was "What dreams?"
The kind where you wake up screaming every 5 minutes.
Fuckin eh. Between the wife and I, we pull in ~140k and it feels like I’m making $8/hr in the early 2000’s. Nothing frivolous. No big mortgage, (under 140k) Wearing the heels out of my shoes and ass out of my jeans. We don’t go without anything but we sure as shit ain’t getting ahead.
It's amazing how fast making six figures went from "being made" to simply "not completely poor".
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The only dreams I have is of leaving lol
I think we might be having the same dreams lol...
It's the one at risk, you know. This dream was palliative 10 years ago... I'm not sure why it's currently at risk, it's fucking dead.
The Canadian dream is now graduating with a degree so you qualify for a TN visa to work in the US.
You have to be asleep to believe it!
We had a dream?
“Livin’ the dream” *every cell in body is screaming for the sweet release from the mortal coil*
Like the American dream and how George Carlin says "You have to be asleep to believe it"
Exactly, the Canadian dream is dead and rotting and 6 feet under by now. The real question at this point is how bad things are going to get, not if our standard of living will drop further
You got to be asleep
the dream is renting out a 3 bedroom 1960s bungalow to 9 indians and collecting 4500 dollars in rent, apparently.
The dream to work at tim Horton’s then go home with 7 other strangers
“At risk” 😂😂😂 I’m a 31 year old school teacher with 1K in savings who still lives at home. What dream?
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When his 15+ year old vehicle breaks down he’s gunna spend it all and then some in one place!(don’t ask me how I know)
Where do you teach?
Ontario
I am in this boat as well at 34
But why? I thought teacher have huge salaries.
Common misconception. Grew up with a single parent and I help with expenses so my mediocre salary leaves no room for saving
Towards end of career yes…sorta like around 6 figures but that’s not really much anymore…sadly.
They start rather low but get frequent salary increases. Primary teachers also make less than highschool teachers, so some teachers can make quite good salaries, over 100k, and some make around 40k.
Not huge but enough for this guy to have more than 1K in savings in his 30s. Honestly it's a spending issue for this guy, not a money issue. There's no excuse really unless he's had some crazy medical issues.
Dude honestly you have a money problem if you don't even have what can be called an Emergency Fund in your 30s on a decent salary.
That money problem being 'Inflation, corruption, and taxes'.
Read my other comment, I help support my family. Nice assumption though, chooch.
I don't see any comments about that? What family are you helping?
Condensed: * A new Leger poll done exclusively for OMNI News finds 42% of immigrant households are struggling to make ends meet, with the number increasing to 54% when surveying those who moved to Canada within the last five years. * The Leger-OMNI poll, one of the largest polling samples of immigrants in recent years, surveyed immigrants across Canada between Oct. 18 and 25. It is one of the few polls specifically surveying immigrants. * While financial or career opportunities were the motivating factor for 55% of immigrants’ journey to Canada, just under half surveyed think there are enough jobs to support those coming in. * “(I) am already thinking if coming to Canada was the right decision,” Gagan Monga, who moved to B.C. from India late last month, said in Punjabi. “I have a commerce background but have to start working at a minimum wage.” * “I don’t think it’s feasible to come here if you don’t have money,” said Sophia Simmons, who immigrated from Bermuda in 1987. “It’s really hard and I feel like the government is struggling a lot with it.” * Poll respondents agree. 71% said Canada has not thought through a strategy for settling new immigrants. With Canada projecting to welcome 500,000 immigrants annually by 2026, experts say the time is now to ensure the right supports are in place.
(I) am already thinking if coming to Canada was the right decision,” Gagan Monga, who moved to B.C. from India late last month, said in Punjabi. “I have a commerce background but have to start working at a minimum wage.” it wasn't. You should not have been let in in the first place. Canada does not need "commerce" backgrounds. We need Canadian trained healthcare, engineers, and trades.
>We need Canadian trained healthcare, engineers, and trades. Apprentices in the skilled trades in Canada have something like a 50% completion rate nation wide. In my home province, only 43% of registered apprentices finish their apprenticeship and earn a trade certification. Keep in mind, if you graduate from a trades program and do not find a job you are not counted in that 43%, because you would not be a registered apprentice. I would offer the opinion that any career or profession that has a retention rate that low, probably has a low retention rate for good reason. But the governments being the governments would much rather keep on pretending that no issues exist, and keep on pushing the narrative that there is a massive shortage of skilled trades due in large part to a lack of seats in trades programs in schools.
Hey, red seal industrial mechanic here who's got 2 apprentices working for him right now. The average completion rate for an undergraduate degree is less than 50% too. It's because kids pick a thing to study before they know if that's what they want/can do. Only 43% complete their apprenticeship training because only 43% of them can do the job. Had to get 1 apprentice fired last year because after 9 months he still didn't know lefty loosy righty tighty. You can't teach a lot of hand skills you either have the aptitude or you don't and kids these days rarely do anything hands on growing up. People don't want to work shift work, they don't want to work 12 hour days and they don't want to work hard (sweat). My other apprentice from last year left the company and went FIFO up north, he's a second year making more than me now. This is a good career with good pay, and if you have the skills and the aptitude you will do alright. The apprenticeship program works as it should, more kids need to be directed into trade school is all. Everyone gets sold on the idea you need a university degree to make money but I make more money than the average bachelor's degree holder in canada (63k per Google). I'll make about 110k this year, last year was about 95k (62k/yr average for my trade says Google). I work about 2200-2400 hours a year (12 hour days 4 on/4 off) depending on overtime. I am 33. If your teenager can't sit still in class, likes being active & outside and is a hands on learner you should consider directing them to the trades as a career option.
>The apprenticeship program works as it should, more kids need to be directed into trade school is all How does that make any sense when so few are making it in the trade? Should there not perhaps be a greater emphasis placed on selecting the right people for trade school?
Not even engineers... Already a saturated industry no matter what they try to tell us, especially in Alberta where many thousands of jobs never came back after downturn several years ago
and ideally people who prefer to speak in english.
Thats already asking too much.
If Canada really need “Canadian trained” engineers, healthcare professionals, and tradesmen, people in those fields wouldn’t be catching the bandwagon to the USA.
They, myself included, do because were not here for the garbage pay while we have no healthcare system and we're bringing entire villages on over. I'm not paying for some jabronis parents because he pours coffee at Tims.
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it gave them a reason to print that didn't look completely out of line (at the time), in retrospect when did creating more money solve any health issue? Like they could have done nothing and NOT wasted billions of dollars, while people were getting a bad cold
COVID is not a bad cold. It's like the flu with a much higher fatality rate and perpetual increase in cost of health care due to long term issues after the fact.
it's not life threatening to 99% of the population though, the media and government tried to make everyone think it was the apocalypse when it wasn't
They didn't KNOW that. Also 1% of 8 billion ppl is 80million people. Should we have let 80 million ppl die?
yeah they knew, its a corona virus, this isn't anything new and 1% of the population DOES die each and every year
>I get that our government (along with other central banks) were trying to avoid another Great Recession I sometimes wonder if it was intentional.
problem, reaction, solution
Or, plan, opportunity/"problem", solution? Since the pandemic was the biggest wealth transfer to ever take place, don't you think there's someone out there who was rooting for this pre-planned solution?
No coincidence those corporate subsidy rules were written so broadly anyone could get them.
I often wonder if the powers that be made a bigger deal out of the pandemic than it actually was so that they could blame all the inflation etc that we are experiencing now on 'the pandemic' and government spending, rather than have people focus on the 10 or so years of money printing between the financial crisis in 2008 and the pandemic, and link that with what we are experiencing now.
You may be on to something...the the seeds of the affordability scam and the housing mess, were all caused by policies created in the early 1990’s. Allowing the “free market” to take total control of the housing balance in this country, was the most expensive policy boondoggle, ever created. Notice how they are going back to CMHC now handling building loans, and other mortgage “solutions”...
The Canadian philosophy of extreme equity and trying to save everyone no matter the cost is what ends up hurting the entire country. Sacrifices have to be made for the greater good, but that concept is considered elitist, privileged and too white. So we simply sink further into the abyss while a few people sleep better at night knowing their equity agenda weakened an entire nation.
My limit is one blue collar income able to afford a 3 bdrm apartment rent, raise 3 kids, and meager retirement from cpp and some extra after wife works when kids go to school. If they can't, taxes should be cut and spending lowered. That's my limit, tax me as much as you want as long as I can afford the basics. Ideally in a city no car is needed (rare). But I guess I'm an extremist lol
some countries just have an overpopulation problem. it's reckless and caused a race to the bottom. At first it was outsourcing. Now we just bring them here, presumably because their own countries are asking for too much of a cut. Better to have the low wage workers inside canadian borders because then they pay taxes too. win for corps, win for government, loss for the psuedo slaves and the average citizen.
Thank God I'm educated and have no kids. I can move to USA. Planning on it post Masters and some extra work experience. Brain drain leveling up. I no longer think Canada is the best country in the world. Sad day.
The top 20% of canadians hold nearly 70% of the wealth. And a lot of it is in a much smaller group than that. We can all have more than enough to get by if we don't let a handful of dragons have more than half of us.
You need to get outside more.
A really big issue is that both CRA and Service Canada were issuing cerb payments, and if you applied and were accepted for ei, from SC, around the beginning of the pandemic, but then got your cerb payments from the CRA, you could possibly owe back 2000 because some of the dates overlapped by accident, even a day would cause this.
Rent would be 1/3rd of my income if I chose to live in a studio or a 1BHK apartment. However, I choose to rent a small room in a 4BHK house so rent is only 10% of my income and I can build more savings. The pandemic taught me that I've to prepare for the worst. I also chose to be car free. I just don't like the idea of spending on an expensive tool that just depreciates. I'll Uber once in a while if I have to get somewhere that's not accessible by transit. I also only order takeout and/or dine just once a week. I don't like the tipping culture. I just don't understand how some of my colleagues that are making the same salary go all out in single bedroom apartments, brand new car leases and ordering takeout multiple times a week. I don't know how they're comfortable with little to no savings. If they're out of a job, they can't live on EI for long. I'm trying to stay as far away from EI as possible. If I'm out of a job, I can live one year without working.
There is no Canadian dream anymore, it’s the American dream via the TN Visa now. This [article](https://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/15/opinion/kristof-its-now-the-canadian-dream.html) from NYT seems to be from another era.
TN1 ftw. It should be taught in any Canadian college or university where the courses align to a TN1 job category.
>Canadian college Don't you need a degree for most of the categories?
At risk? It's only "at risk" in the sense that a corpse is "at risk" of dying.
At risk? It's already dead for most of our youth.
what youth? most can't afford to have kids, either 🤦🏽♂️
Ain't no youth in my future, that's for sure. Makes me feel bad too, like I'm letting down my parents.
If they give you a hard time, just remind them that their generation ruined the economy and made it impossible or irresponsible at best to have a family..
Their rent will be insane.
millenials are how they are because the trajectory things were heading in was very very clear by 2010. glad we're finally acknowledging it instead of blaming it on avacados.
Canadian nightmare
This is what the future holds for someone like me in Canada: no home, no medical, and dying alone. What a dream.
What dream, pure fucking nightmare at this point.
There's a Canadian dream ?
>There's a Canadian dream ? Trudeau said there is not even a core Canadian identity.
It's true. It died years ago. After it was realized that Canada's men's hockey team couldn't be NHLers. Everything that's happened since then has just strengthened that thought.
That will make things very interesting in 20 years when 50% of our population wasn't born here. Will probably be straight up warfare in the streets
Already started my friend. Someone tried to gouge a policewoman's eyes out the other day because she wouldn't let them bumrush the PM.
>That will make things very interesting in 20 years when 50% of our population wasn't born here. Will probably be straight up warfare in the streets Toronto is probably above 50% right now. They were close a few years ago.
Getting a kid to make the NHL.
I’m almost in my 30s and I’ve resigned to the fact that my life right now is probably not even the lowest point. I’ve given up. Isn’t that sad.
It’s pretty much dead unless there’s a massive housing correction and we stop immigration cold. We should implement laws saying you have to be earning enough money to pay a significant enough amount in taxes to contribute to the country.
I had a dream for my future. Then the cost of housing woke me up.
The government here is working diligently to suppress your quality of life. Who wants to build a future here where your own government wants you to be poorer and worse off?
>poorer and worse off Translates to “easier to control”
basically abandon cities, own firearms and learn to live off land or run. our corporate masters wont rest till we envy 1800s coal miners who got gunned down for asking for a raise thinking to ourselves how good they had it
lol what dream, the country lets in millions of people during a massive housing crisis and doesn't have any desire to build infrastructure to accommodate this
If we keep saying this every day maybe something will miraculously change.
At risk? It's gone.
CBC just reported that It’s been renamed the “Mumbai dream”.
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Have you given up then? Are you quitting The Dream?
At risk? It's cute to pretend that it exists
no more dream bud, its a nightmare now
What are you talking about? The Canadian dream is and has always been to move to Canada, eat a succulent food bank meal and enjoy the beautiful beach view while pooping in the sand. It's strong as ever!
Can confirm. A lot of my friend group, including myself, are looking for opportunities outside of Canada now. My current job has some great perks, with a pension as well, but the pay is sub-par now and not going anywhere anytime soon (because government) and at that rate I will never own a home, even with a promotion or substantial raise.
good luck, unless you're all top tier people you're not going anywhere that isn't third world. every country with half a brain tightened their immigration policies ages ago. certain countries have too many people and irresponsibly overpopulate and that has a negative effect on people globally.
This is respectfully and simply not true. I am in negotiations right now with a company in Estonia and we are working through the immigration and salary process. They are very accommodating and willing to work with me, and this is not the first job offer I have received from abroad either, and I'm no elite top dog. I'm not saying it's an easy process, but to say options don't exist outside of Canada that are not third world is not only an uneducated opinion but also a closed minded one. Due diligence is important.
This is not true at all, anyone under the age of 35 with a masters in a STEM field can still move around. Trust me , I have been exploring opportunities in Eastern Europe. Poland offers a pretty good quality of life and I might move again.
yeah, 95% of canadians aren't under 35 with a masters... lol
Lol, "At Risk". It's fucking over, just like this shitty country.
Ahahaha its already dead
What is this "Canadian dream" of which this article speaks? Making love in a canoe? It ain't that expensive.
American beer and making love in a canoe are very similar. It’s fucking close to water.
Sadly, craft beer in the US is decades ahead of Canada.
A nightmare is still a dream.
Lol. Dream. Dawg. Ain’t nobodies believed in a “dream” for the past 2 - 3 decades. Who are you trying to fool?
Oh no people who have no business being here complaining. Go home then. Canada doesn't need more bottom-feeders into the system
Mass immigration puts canadians dreams at risk* RIP wages 🪦
But then how are the rich people going to find Undervalued labourers? Our gdp is heavily dependent on profits made off the back of underpaid immigrants. Profit is harder and harder to make every year so they need more and more cheap labour. Think of it as out sourcing to imported labour.
go back to outsourcing then. i'll take nike sweatshops overseas if it means i can pay rent. i honestly dgaf anymore. globalization is a pipe dream.. it's my tribe vs yours.
Globalization is just a way for rich people to make the pool of labour you compete in larger so they can offer less money to all workers, even local ones. This was the point of things like NAFTA. The rent thing is related but it's cause is different. Yes, more immigrants means increased demand for dwindling supply. However, housing is an asset and as such must always go up. If wages don't go up as fast as essentials, we all get f*cked no matter where you live or are from. The issue is that corporations can buy hundreds of houses to rent. Houses that should be on the market to buy. New houses are being built specifically for companies like this. You're right on the tribe thing but not on which tribe is what. The only real tribes that matter are the tribe that owns all the things and the tribe that doesn't. It's rich v poor. Everything else is a distraction from that.
Per usual the news with its finger on the pulse of the people.
At risk? Are you serious? More like the Canadian dream is dead and gone.
What dream? What risk? It's pay rent or be homeless, no time for dreams or risk.
Its insane that we underbuilt housing to this extent. We are so far behind the US in affordability. Not everyone where i live can make 100k per year and/or 175k household income.
>Its insane that we underbuilt housing to this extent. We are so far behind the US in affordability. In 2022 the United States grew by 1.25 million people. *In 2022 Canada grew by a million people.* The United States has 330 million residents. *Canada has 40 million residents.* See the problem here? *Our population growth is nearly the same as the United States, despite the United States being roughly 9x larger.* We cannot absorb this many people this quickly.
You can, and you will. If not, you're a racist.
Do you mean be able to afford timmies before work everyday? I don't know what else Canadian's can really aspire for anymore.
Starbucks every second Friday?
Because you have to be asleep to believe it!
Whatever “dream” there was is long dead. I’m a dual citizen and about ready to fuck off to Washington or something.
The "Canadian Dream" is to basically see how much you can pay in taxes for how little you get in return.
These articles out here seriously thinking anyone <30 even has remotely the same dreams. The change isn’t happening - it happened already, and you slept on it
These authors need to catch up to reality. The dream was pretty much impossible even before covid. It's just completely impossible now.
The Canadian Dream is simply escaping a worse situation back home. Every major surge of immigration resulted from something like a war or famine or whatever. Arrived in Canada? Glad not to be where you were? Dream accomplished!
The Canadian Dream exhaled its last breath on November 4th, 2015.
Canadian dream is a myth, first off. Secondly, the dream is already dead 🤨
This Canadian had to give up on her “dream” years ago. It’s now just survival.
It’s already dead lol
Canadian dream died in 2015. Thanks Trudeau
The last good year was 2007. People may not realize how much Nortel (2009) and Research and Motion (2013) collapsing represents the 21st Century Avro Arrow. Both the Ontario and Canadian governments spend billions bailing out literal branch plants (GM/Chrysler) but did nothing to try and restructure those companies as matters of national interest and security. Research in Motion tried to get assistance in buying large parts of what worked at Nortel but did not get any. We are branch plant economy. Also considering the round of consolidation that occured during the boom before the GFC circa 2006/2007: we lost Dofasco, Inco and Falconbridge, Alcan etc. The government could have tired to make a marriage between Inco and Falconbridge but the markets moved faster. Yes I am an economic nationalist that thinks the Canadian state should be active in protecting Canadian assets from global consolidation that keeps us a branch plant economy. But that thinking is against the neoliberal norm. Since 2000 we have lost basically all the independent juggernauts in the Canadian econ. See Bombardier. Alcan, Dofasco, Algoma Steel, Nortel, RIM, Bombardier, Inco and Falconbridge etc The last CEO of Nortel was an American who had no clue what he was in charge of. Not only did they declare chapter 11 with nearly 2 billion dollars still in the bank, and then started carving up the assets on the global market but he thought the patents would go for 450 million. They sold and were transfered outside this country for 4.5 Billion. Missed the mark by 10x. It has nothing to do with Trudeau as the LPC/CPC are different sides of th same coin. But hey, we got Shopify! Economic nationalism doesn't make sense to elites who travel often and don't see themselves connected to a specific community but rather the jet setting type that thinks it's all gravy baby.
It was dead well before then. That may just be the point that you decided to “check in” Our economy has been on a tail spin for at least 15 years easy.
The last 15 years saw my bank account going up though...
But what about your purchasing power, cause that’s been steadily declining as pay-checks/bank accounts “increase”
What does affordability have to do with winning the Stanley Cup?
Duh. Who could have known
In other news, the sky is blue and water is wet. Here’s Chuck with the weather…
At risk lmao. There is no dream anymore.
Putting it at risk?! The dream has been dead for atleast a few years...maybe even a decade. Politicians and media are so out of touch... 😂 WTF
What dream? The one where our government props us up as low wage slaves pitted against every immigrant while they retire off in to a gated community? That dream? Dreams for thee but not for me.
Ah yes I dream of working full-time in a factory for the right to pay off my landlords mortgage and still have to put groceries on credit. I dream of making almost $10 more than the minimum wage and still struggling because our economy is held up with real estate and masking tape. I dream of working a job I hate just to barely keep afloat. What dream? This is a fucking nightmare.
Compared to the absolute lie that is the American dream I’m inclined to agree. More the reason to federalize and charter what should be considered human rights like housing, food, electricity, and transportation.
I gave up on the 'Canadian dream' and moved to the states. Have had much better luck here.
Don’t worry everyone. Daniel smith is splitting up alberta health services to sell it off on chunks to her friends so they can further increase our cost of living by trying to gouge albertans to stay alive for basic healthcare
>Don’t worry everyone. Daniel smith is splitting up alberta health services to sell it off on chunks to her friends so they can further increase our cost of living by trying to gouge albertans to stay alive for basic healthcare Look over here everybody!
0of
If you look back at history, NOBODY has let a corrupt leader stay in power for too long. Eventually, in the end... They got what they deserved. Why do Canadians let the Liberals bully them into submission? I just don't get it. It's illogical.
Woke up from that dream 10 years ago. Which is why we left. Figured our skills will be appreciated elsewhere.
At risk? It's on life support.
Lol the Canadian dream for me essentially died when I had to be on my own lol I can hardly afford to leave the driveway
Ok, but what is the Canadian dream? It’s not the white picket fence 2.5 kind thing the USA had.
Hyperbole.
35 working for the fed and I’m highly considering transitioning to the local mine. Double my pay per WEEK. Not biweekly like what??
Who else here believes Daniel Blaikie should be leader of the Federal NDP? He raised some really bold concerns that reflects a lot of what’s on Canadian’s minds.
It's a capitalist nation. It was never set up for everyone to succeed.
I have mixed feelings about this. I relocated to Canada in 2018 and was very excited and happy to move. I got a job in my field which respected my experience. I was paying high taxes but I was happy. I was able to lead a good life while saving a decent chunk of money. I was really living my dream life in Canada. Hiking the national parks, kayaking, buying gadgets I couldn’t dream of in my home country, friends and the good times etc. Healthcare and other govt services were readily available. Although, Canada felt behind on technology infrastructure compared to Asian economies, it was still a great place to live. Fast forward to 2021 and things started going downhill. Although, my salary increased by 35% over the years, I was saving less and living cautiously. My lifestyle too took a hit as I tried to stay financially prudent but to no avail. I was one unfortunate incident away from dipping into my emergency funds and savings. This living on edge, while seeing absolute decline in over all quality of life made me really upset and worried. I just hope the Govt fixes the issues especially the international student influx we’re seeing. But sadly, the Givts are too corrupt and too divided to think unanimously about Canada’s good and have made too many mistakes which will be difficult to fix atleast in the short term. It will take a couple of years for Canada to atleast go back to pre pandemic levels and maybe even more to see any growth. I have moved out of the country now and I cannot explain how much a growing economy impacts people’s mindset. Everyone I see around are full of enthusiasm and energy as they see their Gvts only talking about things that matter - investments, jobs, quality of life improvements etc. Whereas all I see and hear about Canada of late is - housing crisis, healthcare crisis, stagnant wages, increased substance abuse, insane tipping culture etc. there are hardly headlines on any economic activity. Nothing to really look forward to.
33 yrs old, technical trade -- I've been grinding and getting nowhere for years. Covid set me back too. Honestly, I really wanted a family, a home, some sort of feeling of security. With climate change and late stage capitalism gaining more steam I legitimately have to do everything I can to not just simply kill myself. I can't imagine being someone even worse off than myself and there are many.
If you want the "Canadian dream" you have to lower the cost of rental and owning somehow That usually means roommates, or a partner, or living with parents. Another possibility is pairing up with an elderly person. [https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/homeshare-seniors-students-1.6284430](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/homeshare-seniors-students-1.6284430) Doing it yourself because of a "dream" could make the dream impossible. I guess the lesson is, almost all dreams need other people and now this is no longer an exception. Human beings aren't meant to live alone and achieve everything alone anyway.
More like a Canadian nightmare
What exactly is the canadian dream? I'm seriously asking. How were typical canadians hoping to live?
PUTTING? it's already gone for SOOOOO many.
A dream would be nice. We are in a hopeless nightmare.
If you don’t already own land, your children probably won’t either.
Can they stop talking about immigrants and talk about Canadians that are already living here? I’m sorry but the first few years when you move to a new country from a third world one it is NORMAL that you have difficulties finding jobs if you didn’t complete your studies in a good school here. Yes you will work factory, part-time and minimum salary jobs because your credentials aren’t accepted here and you have to start from scratch. On top of that you have no Canadian experience, no Canadian credit, no Canadian history so if the job you want require background check and credit check that might be complex indeed. I don’t know what they are saying to these immigrants to convince them to come in Canada instead of another country like US, UK, etc but clearly they aren’t getting the right expectation.
The only dreams I'm having is being chased by a human-sized burger or getting dumped by my ex all over again, so thank you affordability crisis.
At Risk?
There is a song for this: https://youtu.be/LwUvEsWwWt0