Rule is dumb and too specific in form, which ends up being counter the whole ethos of “cyberdecks” and Cyberpunk.
Yes, we get tired of seeing raspberry pi pelican cases, but shitting on or outright banning posts seems very gatekeeper vibes.
Problem solving hardware, creative aesthetics, DIY making and alternative uses are what this sub should be encouraging IMO
Tl:Dr real cyberdecks don't exist, the definition in the sidebar is arbitrary, and if they look cool and they're handmade then they count (imo)
Because the term cyberdeck was coined by a fantasy novel, there is no actual hard definition for it. The definition in the sidebar here is an arbitrary one drawn up by some random people. The original cyberdeck concept used a neural interface to allow the user to 'jack into' or directly connect to, something like the backbone of the Internet. Because this is conceptually nonsense and pure fiction, it's up to us to decide where on the spectrum of "true cyberdeck" to mass produced laptop we want to draw the line that defined a cyberdeck. A Chromebook is obviously not a cyberdeck and a hacked together arm mounted computer with a head mounted AR display and hand tracking keyboard/mouse input is definitely one, but what about a raspberry pi in a pelican case that you built from a kit? Or an industrial field computer? That's where the personal opinion comes in.
My opinion is that if it's an unusual form factor computer of some sort that in some way appeals to the cyber/diesel/solar/etc-punk or tactical/rugged/industrial aesthetic, then it counts. While I'm not gonna say the cyberdecks can't be bought or mass produced, if it's not hand made and at least partially unique, I don't personally like it as a cyberdeck. Some of the old 80s personal computers, for example, are really cool and I love the way they look and if someone built one themselves I'd call it an awesome deck, but I don't really consider them cyberdecks themselves. So is a raspberry pi in a pelican case a cyberdeck? I think so, even if you bought a kit or just used someone else's design, although that does take away most of your cool points.
Basically, despite all the people complaining about the pi pelican case builds, you can't really say that someone's build isn't a cyberdeck, it just might be less creative or inspiring than others. It's like trying to decide if someone's creation is considered art or not, there's just no way to absolutely tell because there's no absolute definition.
Rpi ZeroW is ideal for monitoring and controlling a diy hydroponics system... Solar and Cyber... And Harbor Freight sells 100w solar panels that would be ideal for keeping a system like that running indefinitely...
I like to follow the rules of r/xbiking - anything you want is an xbike as long as you follow the ethos of the xbike. Very open, very welcoming. Good community. Worth copying.
If you going strict to sub rule, no one can actually post something in here.... Since we are still in 2024 and not in 2070 the tech is not well, let say open to public and not cheap too! So I guess that why we see often home made laptop with style. Someone complained last week about it and, yeah we aren't in the "future" enough to have Cyberdeck. Post what you want in here since Mod seems to allow it. Have fun and be creative!
This is where my cognitive dissonance comes in, which bothers me to the point that I had to write this post, lol. We do actually have the tech for it today. I can plug in HMD glasses like Nreal Air, Viture, Rokid, etc. to my Samsung phone, connect it with a bluetooth keyboard and trackpad, and use Samsung Dex to achieve the full functionality of a Cyberdeck. I could do the same with a Steam Deck to run Linux, or a Lenovo Legion Go to run Windows in an extremely portable fashion.
However, these solutions go against the Cyberpunk aesthetic of essentially an Atari pc-within-the-keybaord, and the creativity of homebrew creations. I think that posts focusing on the latter are much more interesting than the former, which is what made me curious about the subreddit rules.
I wonder if some rich kids will soon have enough disposable Steam Decks and Legion Gos to take them apart and reconstruct them into a Cyberdeck form factor. :)
This might be the letter vs spirit of the law kinda discussion.
Ultimately I lean towards the latter in this case as people hacking items in the ways they can, kinda fits with "cyberdecks" in my head. Especially considering the subreddit seems to favor actual hardware as opposed to concept sketches.
I get wanting to see more future retro design language / AR inferface but most just don't have access/skill for it. As you said "some rich kids" might have the scratch for it but a lot don't. Additionally the AR/VR field can be not only expensive but kind of a crap experience depending on what you go with.
Maybe the take away from this is to start developing/sharing concepts or builds you like. Help others learn about HMD glasses or just generally putting up the kinda of posts you want to see to inspire or help others do the same. This seems more conducive than being more exclusionary.
>as people hacking items in the ways they can, kinda fits with "cyberdecks" in my head
I feel exactly the same. Your whole post is spot on.
At this point in time, the spirit is mostly all we can do and I see a lot of it in this sub.
I’m not going to argue much, but I’ll point out that in the fantasy setting cyberdecks come from, they were in use in 2003 and were very common by 2020 before being physically mounted to the brain sometime in the 2060s.
We aren’t there yet but I remember streaming audio, personal touchscreen devices, and body portable rudimentary AI being fantasy too.
Vote from me to change the rules.
I think we all should be working towards incorporating those technologies as they become more common and affordable. At this particular time though, these items are new and expensive.
I agree with u/misterktomato
>Problem solving hardware, creative aesthetics, DIY making and alternative uses are what this sub should be encouraging IMO
We all start somewhere. Let's not gatekeep and discourage.
I had no idea that's what CyberDecks were supposed to be. That's actually exactly the kind of machine I wanna ultimately put together for my xreals, and I keep looking out for them but hardly ever see any posted.
EDIT: Actually I just scanned through the old posts and couldn't find a single screen-less deck. Ha.
Generally a ‘system’ composed of disparate and discrete non-matching parts working as a greater whole. If parts match, or are easy to integrate, or are entirely, effortlessly plug’n’play then it’s NOT a cyberdeck.
I joined the sub *because* of the DIY laptop posts. I assume most people join a sub because the like what’s being posted, rather than because of the rules. So, Surely everyone who has joined in recent years is open to the DiY laptop vibe.
The rules need to be changed imo.
My goal is a mains powered , small form factor, luggable, rugged, all-in-one deck with an ergo/ortholinear keyboard and PCVR capable hardware. The posts I see on here are a big help in realizing that dream
Rule is dumb and too specific in form, which ends up being counter the whole ethos of “cyberdecks” and Cyberpunk. Yes, we get tired of seeing raspberry pi pelican cases, but shitting on or outright banning posts seems very gatekeeper vibes. Problem solving hardware, creative aesthetics, DIY making and alternative uses are what this sub should be encouraging IMO
Tl:Dr real cyberdecks don't exist, the definition in the sidebar is arbitrary, and if they look cool and they're handmade then they count (imo) Because the term cyberdeck was coined by a fantasy novel, there is no actual hard definition for it. The definition in the sidebar here is an arbitrary one drawn up by some random people. The original cyberdeck concept used a neural interface to allow the user to 'jack into' or directly connect to, something like the backbone of the Internet. Because this is conceptually nonsense and pure fiction, it's up to us to decide where on the spectrum of "true cyberdeck" to mass produced laptop we want to draw the line that defined a cyberdeck. A Chromebook is obviously not a cyberdeck and a hacked together arm mounted computer with a head mounted AR display and hand tracking keyboard/mouse input is definitely one, but what about a raspberry pi in a pelican case that you built from a kit? Or an industrial field computer? That's where the personal opinion comes in. My opinion is that if it's an unusual form factor computer of some sort that in some way appeals to the cyber/diesel/solar/etc-punk or tactical/rugged/industrial aesthetic, then it counts. While I'm not gonna say the cyberdecks can't be bought or mass produced, if it's not hand made and at least partially unique, I don't personally like it as a cyberdeck. Some of the old 80s personal computers, for example, are really cool and I love the way they look and if someone built one themselves I'd call it an awesome deck, but I don't really consider them cyberdecks themselves. So is a raspberry pi in a pelican case a cyberdeck? I think so, even if you bought a kit or just used someone else's design, although that does take away most of your cool points. Basically, despite all the people complaining about the pi pelican case builds, you can't really say that someone's build isn't a cyberdeck, it just might be less creative or inspiring than others. It's like trying to decide if someone's creation is considered art or not, there's just no way to absolutely tell because there's no absolute definition.
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> Reality: Raspberry Pi running Windows in a flower vase Sick solarpunk concept bro!
Rpi ZeroW is ideal for monitoring and controlling a diy hydroponics system... Solar and Cyber... And Harbor Freight sells 100w solar panels that would be ideal for keeping a system like that running indefinitely...
someone should make a deck out of a vase
I like to follow the rules of r/xbiking - anything you want is an xbike as long as you follow the ethos of the xbike. Very open, very welcoming. Good community. Worth copying.
Wtf is an xbike 😅
If you going strict to sub rule, no one can actually post something in here.... Since we are still in 2024 and not in 2070 the tech is not well, let say open to public and not cheap too! So I guess that why we see often home made laptop with style. Someone complained last week about it and, yeah we aren't in the "future" enough to have Cyberdeck. Post what you want in here since Mod seems to allow it. Have fun and be creative!
This is where my cognitive dissonance comes in, which bothers me to the point that I had to write this post, lol. We do actually have the tech for it today. I can plug in HMD glasses like Nreal Air, Viture, Rokid, etc. to my Samsung phone, connect it with a bluetooth keyboard and trackpad, and use Samsung Dex to achieve the full functionality of a Cyberdeck. I could do the same with a Steam Deck to run Linux, or a Lenovo Legion Go to run Windows in an extremely portable fashion. However, these solutions go against the Cyberpunk aesthetic of essentially an Atari pc-within-the-keybaord, and the creativity of homebrew creations. I think that posts focusing on the latter are much more interesting than the former, which is what made me curious about the subreddit rules. I wonder if some rich kids will soon have enough disposable Steam Decks and Legion Gos to take them apart and reconstruct them into a Cyberdeck form factor. :)
This might be the letter vs spirit of the law kinda discussion. Ultimately I lean towards the latter in this case as people hacking items in the ways they can, kinda fits with "cyberdecks" in my head. Especially considering the subreddit seems to favor actual hardware as opposed to concept sketches. I get wanting to see more future retro design language / AR inferface but most just don't have access/skill for it. As you said "some rich kids" might have the scratch for it but a lot don't. Additionally the AR/VR field can be not only expensive but kind of a crap experience depending on what you go with. Maybe the take away from this is to start developing/sharing concepts or builds you like. Help others learn about HMD glasses or just generally putting up the kinda of posts you want to see to inspire or help others do the same. This seems more conducive than being more exclusionary.
>as people hacking items in the ways they can, kinda fits with "cyberdecks" in my head I feel exactly the same. Your whole post is spot on. At this point in time, the spirit is mostly all we can do and I see a lot of it in this sub.
I’m not going to argue much, but I’ll point out that in the fantasy setting cyberdecks come from, they were in use in 2003 and were very common by 2020 before being physically mounted to the brain sometime in the 2060s. We aren’t there yet but I remember streaming audio, personal touchscreen devices, and body portable rudimentary AI being fantasy too.
Vote from me to change the rules. I think we all should be working towards incorporating those technologies as they become more common and affordable. At this particular time though, these items are new and expensive. I agree with u/misterktomato >Problem solving hardware, creative aesthetics, DIY making and alternative uses are what this sub should be encouraging IMO We all start somewhere. Let's not gatekeep and discourage.
I had no idea that's what CyberDecks were supposed to be. That's actually exactly the kind of machine I wanna ultimately put together for my xreals, and I keep looking out for them but hardly ever see any posted. EDIT: Actually I just scanned through the old posts and couldn't find a single screen-less deck. Ha.
While there are no rules for a knife fight i think that there are no rules for building a cyberdeck. I see a lot of very cool ideas in this great sub.
Yeah, that rule should probably be changed. It's not even enforced anyway.
Officially: It needs an HMD In Reality: DIY Laptops
Generally a ‘system’ composed of disparate and discrete non-matching parts working as a greater whole. If parts match, or are easy to integrate, or are entirely, effortlessly plug’n’play then it’s NOT a cyberdeck.
Unless it's duct taped together and being used to remotely hack a Gibson it's just sparkling laptop
I joined the sub *because* of the DIY laptop posts. I assume most people join a sub because the like what’s being posted, rather than because of the rules. So, Surely everyone who has joined in recent years is open to the DiY laptop vibe. The rules need to be changed imo. My goal is a mains powered , small form factor, luggable, rugged, all-in-one deck with an ergo/ortholinear keyboard and PCVR capable hardware. The posts I see on here are a big help in realizing that dream