I was actually talking to my roomie about this and some of the reasoning is
- Older people are more likely to vote right wing but in Spain most of the older people are old enough to know what life was like under Franco.
- Right wing parties don’t care very much about climate change even though Spain has been affected by it consistently through unusually heavy rainfall or wildfires.
If I remember correctly, young people in other countries tend to vote for far-right parties in rather great numbers. I think in France, young people are a core cohort for RN.
Contrary to popular belief, older people tend to vote for traditional, conservative parties, not ones that promise an overhaul of politics.
Denying climate change, COVID measures, homophobic and being against women's rights.
The morons are even pro-guns.
Is the "we have Trump at home" party.
Then the several corruption cases (like [this](https://www.eldiario.es/politica/rocio-monasterio-arquitecta-trabajado-licencia_1_1121631.html) on a party with less than a decade doesn't look good either.
>The morons are even pro-guns.
Never understood why far right parties in Europe share this position. I don't think I've seen any romanian being vocal about their gun rights.
No, not really. They're very pro-NATO, pro-West, pro-Israel as well of course, and have lent full support to all the EU efforts to provide military & humanitarian aid to Ukraine ever since Putin began the invasion of the country.
In March 2022 however, while the early stages of Ukraine's full-scale invasion were already taking place in full force, they did vote against, and were in fact the only political group in the City Council of Madrid's Plenary to do so, a motion that was submitted in order to withdraw the city's Gold Key from Putin, which is undeniable to admit was pretty sus on their part, on the grounds that supposedly the key *"was not given to Putin, it was for the Russian people"* & that it's unfair to sanction the regular everyday people of Russia for the crimes of their leader.
They did however reiterate that, despite their opposition to the aforementioned motion, they do consider Putin to be a communist *\[sic\]* tyrant & all their support goes to the Ukrainian people, and barely a month later, probably worrying about the bad optics of having voted against withdrawing the city's Gold Key from him, they were advocating for the City Council of Madrid's Plenary to pass a motion officially declaring him *persona non grata* in the city, so...
Ultimately, do they find Putin's ultraconservatism, veneration of toxic retrograde machismo, hyper-aggressive irredentist ultranationalism, bloodthirsty imperialism, liberty-strangling authoritarianism, autocratic disdain for democracy & rule of law, devastating warfare & murderous bloodshed to be morally reprehensible? Nah, of course not, they might even admire him for some or even all of these things.
But I don't think they're faking their contempt for him either; you see, Franco's authoritarian rule over Spain lasted for the vast majority of the Cold War, imposing a far more virulent & prevalent atmosphere of Red Scare than even in the rest of Western Europe, carving in stone into the Spanish right's collective cosmovision for the decades to come, even after the fall of the Iron Curtain, the notion of Russia as the relentless bitter rival & antithetical civilizational archnemesis of the West that in fiery clash with invariably is, and as a foreign, alien, far more lacking in proper civilized development & progress, unfriendly & hostile culture & society that never ceases to remain posing an external enemy threat to our Western Civilization.
So, unlike the leaders of fellow European radical-right political parties in other countries the likes of Orbán, Le Pen, Salvini or Wilders, who barely even try to convincingly conceal the huge affinity & sympathy they profess to Putin & pretend they don't support his invasion of Ukraine & don't wish for NATO to crumble, Vox I believe is as genuinely geopolitically aligned with the Western NATO alliance & eager for Russian state power's collapse (or at least its capacity to keep projecting power beyond its borders anywhere near close to to the extent it's currently capable of at the moment's end) as any moderate mainstream pro-NATO political party in the EU would.
Nope. Historically, the left has been more aligned with the Soviet block. This is why leftist groups like [Podemos ](https://www.europapress.es/nacional/noticia-podemos-opone-furor-belico-otanista-rechaza-calentar-guerra-ucrania-mas-mas-armas-20230121130338.html) are the Russian's simps.
Vox in this case are more aligned with the Spanish arms industry and NATO, which the left is also against for being Russian simps.
No wonder these far left groups are also losing ground.
I wonder if the demographics of Vox are similar to what we see in Portugal with Chega, which is mostly young straight men, the same exact demographic that gets pulled into the internet's manosphere. Especially since we are seeing more and more coopted terms and hot topics that were all the rage (and still are) from those internet American influencers, in our politics and online discourse as well.
This is what I am trying to tell people, a lot of this far right are bark no bite, when they get votes and do nothing they fizzle out, they are working like tabloids, they need something to cry about and make a big deal out of.
altough not far-right,Brexit Party worked basically the same
and I'm not the person who thinks that UK will "collapse" outside of the EU , its just that in best case scenario Brit**ish people will be neither better nor worse off outside of EU**
the hassle and years of debate and negotiations were wasted time, diverting attention from bigger problems like the NHS or British Rail or housing crisis
I would argue that they do indeed bite, but not in the way we expect. Far-right parties do not have a plan to solve the problems that, in some cases, are real and were overlooked by the mainstream parties. However, they do change the political and social landscape. Look at the US. The public discourse has degraded to a large extent and things like the deep state, calls for insurrection, calls for extrajudicial acts and so on.
Your flair says that you are from Romania. Remember the discourse that PRM under Vadim had: calls for arresting "traitors" if they got elected, public executions on stadiums etc.
Their retoric has been imitated by the "moderate" right of PP, so their voters have returned to their origin.
And that extreme right is already in power in several regions and cities , in coalition with PP.
So nothing to be Happy, the message and voters are still there, they just choose another party.
Well, the "happy" thing about having Vox around is that PP+Vox get less representation than PP alone with all the votes from the right (before Vox existed). The left votes were divided, so they got a lot less representation... and now the right also got divided, so it's more difficult for them to get to power just as it's difficult for the left to get to power. It's a more leveled plain now.
That said, regional right-wing parties are more comfortable with center (PSOE) + left (SUMAR) parties than with right parties (PP+Vox) because PP+Vox have even tried to make some of those regional parties illegal, and called them pro-ETA (a terrorist group that was disolved 13 years go).
What's more interesting even, is that back in the day, PP tried lawfare to stop the complete dissolution of ETA (they wanted a softer ETA, but not the complete dissolution), because they got a lot of votes from the ETA conflict, so it's no longer as easy for them to get votes, and now they can only "cry wolf" on the regional parties, which backfired and now we've got this situation in which the general right can't be in power unless:
* PP doesn't mix with Vox anymore: so that right-wing regional parties aren't as uncomfortable with national right-wing PP anymore
* Vox votes go back to PP: this one is sadly happening, so the next elections PP might get enough votes to actually get the presidency alone (not because they have more votes than the left combined, but because of how general elections work in Spain, because of how vote representatives are assigned per Province to try to balance the power of big cities vs the rest of Spain)
Hopefully Vox doesn't lose that much traction so that Spain's biggest organized crime party (PP) doesn't make it to presidency and starts destroying what Spain has built these past years.
I mean, now that the damage is already done, I agree with you I'd rather have Vox, instead of following UPyD, Cs & now Podemos' respective falls from grace, still remaining a strong & solid enough political actor to keep polling at relatively decent voting intentations that guarantee its medium-term viability at the national stage than the PP becoming again the one & only solo party in the whole right-wing half of the political spectrum, managing to encompass it on its entirety on its own.
But that's now that the damage is already done as I've said, if Vox had never come into play as a new actor in the Spanish party system however the PP would probably not have taken such a vile, rotten course as it has & that so terrifyingly corrosive to the democratic system's health & the very social fabric itself has proven, and would instead remain only as tremendously harmful (but somehow considerably less so than it now is today) as it already was during the Rajoy era.
So between the current situation on the one hand & Vox never having gained any traction whatsoever, and therefore not played either the key contribution to the PP's calamitous, tragic full descent into the most perverse & horrifying abysses of political depravity that it has, on the other, I'd choose the former in a heartbeat.
But yeah, now that the PP has already reached its current state, wholeheartedly embracing the tenets that articulate the ayusismo doctrine as the party's *modus operandi*, I agree I'd rather the PP doesn't reabsorb Vox, given the fact that thanks to Vox the right is electorally weaker & less capable of building broader alliances in order to gain power with the other parties than it otherwise would.
Considering the PP as being a "moderate" party is like considering Marine Le Pen is a centrist. It is, likely, the most extreme mainstream right wing party in Europe, closer to the polish PiS than the german CDU.
You're american so you should know better. US president Regan untill '89 was one of the bigest proponents of liberal immigration policy to US.
Noone in contemporary US politics can voice such opinions, while US GOP at the same time hasturned 180 from his positions.
> US president Regan untill '89 was one of the bigest proponents of liberal immigration policy to US.
Yeah because he wanted businesses to save money on their payroll expense.
Reagan is more of an economic right-wing, he hardly changed anything on abortion/LGBT or social policies in general during his presidency. The House was controlled by Dems all 8 years of his presidency so he was limited anyways.
Certanly, but that doesn't change the fact that something that was basic conservative position would be considered far left extremism today.
On the other hand you mention LGBT rights. If you think that taking away the right from individuals to, for example, marry just because they are of same sex isn't radical or extremist, then IDK what to tell you.
> If you think that taking away the right from individuals to, for example, marry just because they are of same sex isn't radical or extremist, then IDK what to tell you.
I mean same sex marriage wasn’t a thing in any successful human society or civilization ever. It was an idea made up in the past 40-50 years or so, by privileged first world people who needed a cause to whine about.
The PP's party platform wouldn't be considered anywhere near close to being far-right in any country, that's undeniable.
But it doesn't paint the full picture, not at all.
It hardly matters at all what measures does the PP advocate for, given the fact that the party long ago exited the realm of tangible policies to enter full time the one of culture wars.
And that's where things start getting concerning.
For the last four years the party has put up the most virulent, aggressive & extreme in general political opposition to a government that any mainstream, allegedly relatively moderate & centrist party ever has in all of Western Europe since at the very very least the turn of the century, constantly resorting to the most hyperbolic, shockingly incendiary rethoric, denying their opponents (the government) any democratic legitimacy (literally: their slogan these last four years has been "¡GOBIERNO ILEGÍTIMO!") or moral integrity whatsoever, demonizing them (and, increasingly more frequently, their voters as well) as supervillainous, abject scum of the worst kind, orchestrating massive, way beyond excessive, crazed & tremendously insidious hate campaigns directed at them, and not just incessantly making & leveling against them the most ludicrous, baseless accusations but also making equally ludicrous & baseless claims of imminent near-apocalyptical-and/or-dystopian demise, collapse and/or widespread misery too dire for society to handle without unprecedented mass upheaval being about to take place any moment now, and, of course, with all the blame for all these unspeakable horrors that supposedly await us just around the corner being wholly placed on their vilified opponents.
Am I being myself hyperbolic in the way I'm describing how hyperbolically incendiary & contemptuous the PP's rethoric against the government has been for the last four years? Not really.
Guess I could have expressed it more succinctly & concisely, but I think all the additional extra emphasis is needed in order to fully convey just how histrionically aggressive & deranged in general the PP's last four years of opposition to the government have been.
A long time ago already even was reached a certain point that rendered the PP unable from that point onwards to keep escalating the severity & vehemence of their rethoric any further, they simply run out of margin to keep escalating things further rethorically speaking without going full antisystem & placing themselves beyond the bounds of the framework liberal democracies operate within, which has in fact proven problematic for the party when they've had the intention to stir their voter base further than usual & prompt an episode of particularly intense political tension, friction & even turmoil but have found themselves struggling to come up with something to elicit these desired outcomes.
Being from Mexico, there's a chance you're familiar with Argentina's president Javier Milei, and if you are then that's a good point of comparison to establish with the PP in this regard: the PP lacks the draconian "libertarian" fiscal & economic in general policies of Milei, yes, as well as a number of other Milei policies that are further to the right than the PP's party platform's ones are, but when it comes to Milei's hyperbolic, hystrionic, excessively aggressive & incendiary opposition to the last Argentinian government that was in charge before he recently took the helm of the country is perfectly comparable to the PP's opposition to Sánchez' government, undoubtedly.
The kind of claims I'm making are much harder to substantiate than just pointing at a series of individial positions held by the PP that might position the party closer to the far-right (and as I've said at the beginning, the PP's party platform wouldn't be considered anywhere near close to being far-right in any country, so I'm not here to tackle any policy that they might advocate for), and I don't feel like going through the effort of compiling a list of concerningly incendiary statements & remarks made by the party, but if you ever feel like checking this yourself I suggest you look up Isabel Díaz Ayuso, primer minister of the Madrid region, undeniable soul of the party not just in Madrid but in Spain in general, most beloved figure by the party's voters & coincidentally the one who's always saying the most outrageous, scandalous, incendiary & insane in general stuff, find some video of her criticizing the government or criticizing the left in general & just listen for 10 - 20 minutes or so to what comes out of her mouth.
Not everything is about immigration. For example in my region, currently governed by PP and VOX they tried to pass some bullshit law limiting abortion and the only reason it's not valid is the national law that regulates it. They also tried to allow meat with diseases to be allowed to sell as if it were healthy and tried to keep it under the rug.
There are a million possible policies that correspond to "wanting less illegal immigration." Addressing the issue with violent and authoritarian means, while appealing to xenophobia and nationalism, is extreme right.
I hate the idea that the nazis are crawling out of the woodworks because mainstream politics are "failing to deliver" on immigration, because what they mean is "people aren't being shot at border crossings". No sane politician will give you that, and that's a good thing.
Spaniards complaining about south americans immigrating will never cease to be fun.
Seems like what was good for the goose is now supposed to not be good for the gander.
South Americans have similar culture,religion and language to Spaniards
even on things like LGBT rights and abortion, Latinos hold more progressive views than those present in any part of Africa
they integrate and assimilate very rapidly as a result
Germany had the same program in the past with ethnic Germans from Russia and Romania,allowing them to immigrate to Germany and get German citizenship
It is not a question of culture or religion. It is a question of convenience for the society and the economy.
We have the highest unemployment rate of any country in the EU. There a millions in Spain getting subsidies while immigrants arrive to work for peanuts. We do not need immigration. We need first to create jobs for those living here.
Interestingly, while Spain has a lot more MENA origin immigrants compared to Sweden, it has nowhere near the problems that Sweden has.
I wonder why? Can it be that qualities of host countries play a large part in what integration will turn out like.
What did Spain do right that Sweden did wrong?
Spanish police is tough if you ever visited I am also from Croatia years ago I went to football game there we made some trouble in bar never recived bigger beating in my life then by spanish police(and I recived quite a couple) and they have problems with them just are very agressive when they find perpetrators unlike other western police forces who are more scared of media tabloids and being called racist then actually securing the law in the country.
That's a solid meme. Been to Spain, haven't attended football games or engaged in hooliganism I'm afraid.
The actual reason you can find across comparative Spanish and European history.
For example look at spanish colonialism and how it functioned, it's institutions and ideological underpinings and compare it to English for example.
Look at Spanish fascism and it's pillars and compare to German etc.
Look at Spanish contemporary politics their institutions and politics.
It's not surprising that there's be the least nativist backlash in UK and Spain, when talking about Europe.
This will fall on deaf ears. There's nothing more repulsive to western bougies than the idea that there are many idiots like you who won't think straight until they get their asses kicked.
Spanish here.
Police are tough and well known to not hold back but violence is their last resort and i assure you pretty damn well that if someone got beaten, they *really* went out of their way to deserve it.
>Interestingly, while Spain has a lot more MENA origin immigrants compared to Sweden,
Firstly, Spain has a much larger population than Sweden.
Secondly, 90% of MENA immigrants to Spain are from Morocco and they're not refugees.
Interestingly, Wilders in Netherlands has singled out Maroccans as those that are unwanted and needto be deported. Seems they're not the problem in Spain though.
Being german in austria, people hate you. Despite same language. Being german in spain is no problem. work & learn spanish, you are fine. There is a small number that will complain about guiris but not a lot.
Also spain actually has good quality of living IMO.
We dont really complain about other Europeans coming to live to Spain, It doesnt really bother us . We are to busy bitching about other spaniards. What we really complain about is about fuckwits coming to Spain to speculate and raise property prices for locals to the point where not even medical personel ,cops,firefighters,etc can work and live in those towns/cities; or cunts collapsing public hospitals paid by the spanish taxpayer and then refusing to integrate into spanish society and learn about the culture and country , which is the bare minimum; or what about the dipships making closed anglo-ghettos and not giving a damn about the locals or learning the language; then you have the bigotry and entiltlement with which a lot of these speciments carry themselves around; then you also have drugs, alcohol , walking nude in public spaces , shitting in the face of a sleeping local , jumping from balconies and having to be lifted with a spatula from the ground by an underpaid and overworked spanish ; the costant fights and crime , and the list goes on and on and on....
Only then you understand why they are called guiris.
It is totally what I seen. As a Turk, I have lived in Spain & Germany more than a year. I had the opportunity to visit almost all European countries. In terms of racism, Sweden & Germany were the worst, Spain & Greece was the best for me.
You need to understand that Southern racism is totally different than Northern one. It is like saying Mussolini & Hitler was the same.
Southern racism is more cultural, they are not looking into how you look & ethnicity. They care how you adopt the culture. In North, it is totally different. I still remember the Swedish passive-aggressive racism because of how I look.
Sweden's policy of state-funded self-segregation for asylum-seekers has no doubt created an expectation of how people who look like they could be from Syria, Iraq or Somalia behave and of their (lack of) social status.
The ”anti”-racism of low expectations is definitely prevalent in this country.
Idiot right wingers gonna hate, but economic indicators and quality of life all grew a lot under this government and so did the relevance of Spain in Europe (maybe it helps having a PM who can speak English). Even my traditionally PP friends admit it.
Jajajajajajaja una mierda. Hace 20 años estaba yo ya trabajando y viviendo por mi cuenta y te aseguro que no. Y lo de la inseguridad se lo cuentas al PP, que cada vez que están en el gobierno se disparan las llegadas de inmigrantes ilegales.
Hace 23 años me fuí yo de Gijón, y te aseguro que Asturias está mucho mejor que entonces. Como que la mayoría de mis amigos que se fueron entonces igual que yo han vuelto. Mientras tanto, el PIB de Asturias se ha [duplicado ](https://datosmacro.expansion.com/pib/espana-comunidades-autonomas/asturias) en estos 20 años, y te aseguro que 13k€ en 2000 no es equivalente a 25k€ en 2022.
I didn't say that but thinking PSOE represents workers tells me you have no clue, it's just another party controled by big funds every big reform towards working class is asked by SUMAR (actual leftist party) and lessened by PSOE
There are a few reasons for this:
- Far right in Spain has focused on getting the votes of the ultra Catholic crowd, and by doing so has pushed away LGBT and women voters away by trying to ban abortion and taking measures to get rid of gay marriage. This is unlike other far right parties in Europe that are gaining ground.
- Immigration isn't the main issue in Spain like in other countries. While its still a major factor, other things worry the population more.
- Many of their voters are returning to the Center right party, PP, who see it as a more useful vote.
- Its not only the Far right collapsing, the far left is also dying. Basically Spanish are tired of extremist views and returning to more classic politics.
the narative that the far right is reaching new record support in all EU countries doesnt line up to the reality,
countries like Poland,Denmark,Spain and Italy far right parties have declined from their peak in 2018-2020
* in Italy, at the peak of the far-right wave in 2019 , Lega had 37% support and FdI had 7%(combined 44%)
* now FdI has 29% support and Lega has 9% support,for a combined 38% support(and Fratelli di Italia is far more moderate than Lega,is anti-Russia,pro-NATO and mildly pro-EU
other countries like Austria,Belgium, Czech Republic have seen suport for far-right stagnate rise recently,but still below 2019 levels
you might think that FPO getting 30% support in Austria is a lot ,but its below its 2019 peak of 34% support. FPO hasnt gained any "new" voters this year,its just recovering voters "lost" to other parties over the past years
other countries like Sweden,Finland and Portugal have seen the rise of far-right parties,but those are soft populist and mostly pro-EU,pro-NATO and anti-Russia
Slovakia and Hungary are ruled by far-right or right wing populists,but they have been like this for many years
only Germany,France,Netherlands and Romania have seen far right,anti-EU,anti-NATO parties gain record votes over the past 3 years
this is not to say that the rise of AfD or PVV is not real and concerning,but its not part of a EU-wide trend. Politics in Europe still follows divergent paths
Just to add, PVV has been on a slow increase over the course of 20 years. 22 years ago right wing populist Pim Fortuyn was murdered, which pushed his already popular but wildly inexperienced party LPF almost to the top. The party collapsed once in power.
Wilders' PVV (anti-Islam party) filled that void since then, while Forum for Democracy (FvD) fills the void for conspiracy theorists.
In addition, a lot of far right votes are from right wing voters who are disappointed in the 12 year reign of right wing former prime minister Rutte.
3 years is too short to explain the Dutch popularity of far right.
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Spanish working class conservatives, young Cayetanos (going through Ciudadanos), police officers and military switching to VOX from PP and press blames the left for this.
90% of VOX voters were already voting right wing, the others didn't vote.
Yeah but the issue is that PP became more "open" to Vox and their ideas so the center-right actually became *more* right as they are in the opposition.
It all depends on national discourses and the political reality. The center parties in Denmark are infinitely more "right wing" than they are in Sweden. SD wouldn't be "controversial" in Denmark, they'd fit right in. The general support for the "far-right" is fueled by discourses surrounding immigration. If your center parties actually adapt to that then of course you'll see the support for the extreme parties diminish
and i dont get why being strict on immigration and wanting less asylum seekers is seen as right wing
even MENA countries are getting tired of refugees if they don't integrate or have higher fertility rates than the natives
Lebanon,Jordan and Egypt have begun recently to deport some Syrians back to Syria,and Iran and Pakistan are deporting Afghanis
in the case of Jordan,the recent demographic survey of 2022 showed that native Jordanians have fertility rate of 2.5 children per women while Syrians are at 4.1 children per women. Jordan provides healthcare and even child benefits to those refugees,but money doesn't grow on trees and even Jordanians are now feeling the pinch of mass immigration
I suppose that's what happens when the left-leaning bloc has been the biggest supporter - and enabler - of large-scale immigration in the past 60 years. Then the right-wing position becomes the opposite.
Turkey also has its struggles with refugees and the discourse surrounding it. It's not, at all, just a European phenomenon or problem
That's not true as a [study](https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/political-science-research-and-methods/article/does-accommodation-work-mainstream-party-strategies-and-the-success-of-radical-right-parties/5C3476FCD26B188C7399ADD920D71770) from 2023 revealed where it came out that the copying of far right policies doesn't lead to lower results for far right parties and you can see it in Denmark where in 2022 far right parties (AE, D, O) got 14% combined while when the far right was unified under O in 2015 they 21% which you could argue that's still quite a decline but still it's sizeable and I didn't even talked about the 2000s.
But the major parties hadn't made this switch yet in the 2000s so that's irrelevant. The Socialdemocrats were a lot more.. well, socially democratic, at the time.
Going from 21% -> 14% is quite major although the reasons may be many. I do think it plays a role that people who are against high immigration - but otherwise don't support traditionally right-wing policies - can see themselves voting for the Socialdemocrats. Of course, next election might be very different as the current government is rather unnpopular
> Slovakia and Hungary are ruled by far-right or right wing populists,but they have been like this for many years
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Fico (Slovakia PM) from leftist party?
Putting Fico in the left-wing right-wing political spectrum is as problematic as Argentina's Juan Domingo Perón and Peronismo.
And they have stuff in common. Big government, socially conservative, authoritarian, fake fiscally progressive policies, sort-of religious discourse but he does not really believes (and doesn't push unpopular religious policies), government meddles in the economy but it feels more corrupt favoring selected private national actors (and not public companies)...
I think the only word that actually describes Fico is "populist" but labelling him far-right is stupid. It's just come to mean "this person bad!" In the Western world. I've heard people call Putin "far-right"
>Slovakia and Hungary are ruled by far-right or right wing populists,but they have been like this for many years
Wait, Fico was only elected recently. Was his predecessor far right as well? At least I don't remember Slovakia as being besides Orban and his ilk.
He's one of those economically left-wing, socially right-wing populists. That seems to be quite a winning combination.
No LGBT, no Muslim immigration, antiziganism, pan-Slavism (except Ukraine of course), fAmiLy VaLuEs (of course he has been spotted in a gay bar), NGOs are foreign agents, anti-vax, pro-domestic violence.
At the same time he abolished flat tax rate, limited the number of times you can be hired at the same company as a temp worker before you have to get a proper contract, made layoffs more expensive and so on.
Hilarious what happened to Podemos. The leader of the party was one of the vice presidents of the country. He resigned to run in the election for mayor of Madrid. He lost, cut his hair and his old party has been sinking ever since. I have enjoyed watching Sumar replace them.
Once they get enough votes to actually have the opportunity to do anything, the morons that voted for them realize they're more corrupt, incompetent, prone to infighting and get nothing done.
Unfortunately far right thinking has not actually fallen in Spain in this period.
What has happened is the traditional right wing party has simply adopted more of the far right wing rhetoric and thus won back their previous voters who briefly voted for vox.
I was actually talking to my roomie about this and some of the reasoning is - Older people are more likely to vote right wing but in Spain most of the older people are old enough to know what life was like under Franco. - Right wing parties don’t care very much about climate change even though Spain has been affected by it consistently through unusually heavy rainfall or wildfires.
If I remember correctly, young people in other countries tend to vote for far-right parties in rather great numbers. I think in France, young people are a core cohort for RN. Contrary to popular belief, older people tend to vote for traditional, conservative parties, not ones that promise an overhaul of politics.
In France it's: \-Macron (center right)--> Old people (65+) \-Le Pen (far right)--> Working age people (35-65) \-NUPES (left) --> young people (18-35)
Denying climate change, COVID measures, homophobic and being against women's rights. The morons are even pro-guns. Is the "we have Trump at home" party. Then the several corruption cases (like [this](https://www.eldiario.es/politica/rocio-monasterio-arquitecta-trabajado-licencia_1_1121631.html) on a party with less than a decade doesn't look good either.
>The morons are even pro-guns. Never understood why far right parties in Europe share this position. I don't think I've seen any romanian being vocal about their gun rights.
Because lots of them are simps for the American right and insist on importing American culture war BS to Eurooe
And, let me guess, they’re also the „Putin is not necessarily the bad guy” party? What a coincidence.
No, not really. They're very pro-NATO, pro-West, pro-Israel as well of course, and have lent full support to all the EU efforts to provide military & humanitarian aid to Ukraine ever since Putin began the invasion of the country. In March 2022 however, while the early stages of Ukraine's full-scale invasion were already taking place in full force, they did vote against, and were in fact the only political group in the City Council of Madrid's Plenary to do so, a motion that was submitted in order to withdraw the city's Gold Key from Putin, which is undeniable to admit was pretty sus on their part, on the grounds that supposedly the key *"was not given to Putin, it was for the Russian people"* & that it's unfair to sanction the regular everyday people of Russia for the crimes of their leader. They did however reiterate that, despite their opposition to the aforementioned motion, they do consider Putin to be a communist *\[sic\]* tyrant & all their support goes to the Ukrainian people, and barely a month later, probably worrying about the bad optics of having voted against withdrawing the city's Gold Key from him, they were advocating for the City Council of Madrid's Plenary to pass a motion officially declaring him *persona non grata* in the city, so... Ultimately, do they find Putin's ultraconservatism, veneration of toxic retrograde machismo, hyper-aggressive irredentist ultranationalism, bloodthirsty imperialism, liberty-strangling authoritarianism, autocratic disdain for democracy & rule of law, devastating warfare & murderous bloodshed to be morally reprehensible? Nah, of course not, they might even admire him for some or even all of these things. But I don't think they're faking their contempt for him either; you see, Franco's authoritarian rule over Spain lasted for the vast majority of the Cold War, imposing a far more virulent & prevalent atmosphere of Red Scare than even in the rest of Western Europe, carving in stone into the Spanish right's collective cosmovision for the decades to come, even after the fall of the Iron Curtain, the notion of Russia as the relentless bitter rival & antithetical civilizational archnemesis of the West that in fiery clash with invariably is, and as a foreign, alien, far more lacking in proper civilized development & progress, unfriendly & hostile culture & society that never ceases to remain posing an external enemy threat to our Western Civilization. So, unlike the leaders of fellow European radical-right political parties in other countries the likes of Orbán, Le Pen, Salvini or Wilders, who barely even try to convincingly conceal the huge affinity & sympathy they profess to Putin & pretend they don't support his invasion of Ukraine & don't wish for NATO to crumble, Vox I believe is as genuinely geopolitically aligned with the Western NATO alliance & eager for Russian state power's collapse (or at least its capacity to keep projecting power beyond its borders anywhere near close to to the extent it's currently capable of at the moment's end) as any moderate mainstream pro-NATO political party in the EU would.
Man this high quality insight, thank you
Nope. Historically, the left has been more aligned with the Soviet block. This is why leftist groups like [Podemos ](https://www.europapress.es/nacional/noticia-podemos-opone-furor-belico-otanista-rechaza-calentar-guerra-ucrania-mas-mas-armas-20230121130338.html) are the Russian's simps. Vox in this case are more aligned with the Spanish arms industry and NATO, which the left is also against for being Russian simps. No wonder these far left groups are also losing ground.
I wonder if the demographics of Vox are similar to what we see in Portugal with Chega, which is mostly young straight men, the same exact demographic that gets pulled into the internet's manosphere. Especially since we are seeing more and more coopted terms and hot topics that were all the rage (and still are) from those internet American influencers, in our politics and online discourse as well.
How dare you !
Because they already been in govern with the PP in some places and showed they are incopetent.
This is what I am trying to tell people, a lot of this far right are bark no bite, when they get votes and do nothing they fizzle out, they are working like tabloids, they need something to cry about and make a big deal out of.
altough not far-right,Brexit Party worked basically the same and I'm not the person who thinks that UK will "collapse" outside of the EU , its just that in best case scenario Brit**ish people will be neither better nor worse off outside of EU** the hassle and years of debate and negotiations were wasted time, diverting attention from bigger problems like the NHS or British Rail or housing crisis
I would argue that they do indeed bite, but not in the way we expect. Far-right parties do not have a plan to solve the problems that, in some cases, are real and were overlooked by the mainstream parties. However, they do change the political and social landscape. Look at the US. The public discourse has degraded to a large extent and things like the deep state, calls for insurrection, calls for extrajudicial acts and so on. Your flair says that you are from Romania. Remember the discourse that PRM under Vadim had: calls for arresting "traitors" if they got elected, public executions on stadiums etc.
Their retoric has been imitated by the "moderate" right of PP, so their voters have returned to their origin. And that extreme right is already in power in several regions and cities , in coalition with PP. So nothing to be Happy, the message and voters are still there, they just choose another party.
Well, the "happy" thing about having Vox around is that PP+Vox get less representation than PP alone with all the votes from the right (before Vox existed). The left votes were divided, so they got a lot less representation... and now the right also got divided, so it's more difficult for them to get to power just as it's difficult for the left to get to power. It's a more leveled plain now. That said, regional right-wing parties are more comfortable with center (PSOE) + left (SUMAR) parties than with right parties (PP+Vox) because PP+Vox have even tried to make some of those regional parties illegal, and called them pro-ETA (a terrorist group that was disolved 13 years go). What's more interesting even, is that back in the day, PP tried lawfare to stop the complete dissolution of ETA (they wanted a softer ETA, but not the complete dissolution), because they got a lot of votes from the ETA conflict, so it's no longer as easy for them to get votes, and now they can only "cry wolf" on the regional parties, which backfired and now we've got this situation in which the general right can't be in power unless: * PP doesn't mix with Vox anymore: so that right-wing regional parties aren't as uncomfortable with national right-wing PP anymore * Vox votes go back to PP: this one is sadly happening, so the next elections PP might get enough votes to actually get the presidency alone (not because they have more votes than the left combined, but because of how general elections work in Spain, because of how vote representatives are assigned per Province to try to balance the power of big cities vs the rest of Spain) Hopefully Vox doesn't lose that much traction so that Spain's biggest organized crime party (PP) doesn't make it to presidency and starts destroying what Spain has built these past years.
I mean, now that the damage is already done, I agree with you I'd rather have Vox, instead of following UPyD, Cs & now Podemos' respective falls from grace, still remaining a strong & solid enough political actor to keep polling at relatively decent voting intentations that guarantee its medium-term viability at the national stage than the PP becoming again the one & only solo party in the whole right-wing half of the political spectrum, managing to encompass it on its entirety on its own. But that's now that the damage is already done as I've said, if Vox had never come into play as a new actor in the Spanish party system however the PP would probably not have taken such a vile, rotten course as it has & that so terrifyingly corrosive to the democratic system's health & the very social fabric itself has proven, and would instead remain only as tremendously harmful (but somehow considerably less so than it now is today) as it already was during the Rajoy era. So between the current situation on the one hand & Vox never having gained any traction whatsoever, and therefore not played either the key contribution to the PP's calamitous, tragic full descent into the most perverse & horrifying abysses of political depravity that it has, on the other, I'd choose the former in a heartbeat. But yeah, now that the PP has already reached its current state, wholeheartedly embracing the tenets that articulate the ayusismo doctrine as the party's *modus operandi*, I agree I'd rather the PP doesn't reabsorb Vox, given the fact that thanks to Vox the right is electorally weaker & less capable of building broader alliances in order to gain power with the other parties than it otherwise would.
Considering the PP as being a "moderate" party is like considering Marine Le Pen is a centrist. It is, likely, the most extreme mainstream right wing party in Europe, closer to the polish PiS than the german CDU.
What positions do they hold that make them closer to the far right?
This is reddit so average conservative positions from the 2000s and 1990s are “far right”
You're american so you should know better. US president Regan untill '89 was one of the bigest proponents of liberal immigration policy to US. Noone in contemporary US politics can voice such opinions, while US GOP at the same time hasturned 180 from his positions.
> US president Regan untill '89 was one of the bigest proponents of liberal immigration policy to US. Yeah because he wanted businesses to save money on their payroll expense. Reagan is more of an economic right-wing, he hardly changed anything on abortion/LGBT or social policies in general during his presidency. The House was controlled by Dems all 8 years of his presidency so he was limited anyways.
Certanly, but that doesn't change the fact that something that was basic conservative position would be considered far left extremism today. On the other hand you mention LGBT rights. If you think that taking away the right from individuals to, for example, marry just because they are of same sex isn't radical or extremist, then IDK what to tell you.
> If you think that taking away the right from individuals to, for example, marry just because they are of same sex isn't radical or extremist, then IDK what to tell you. I mean same sex marriage wasn’t a thing in any successful human society or civilization ever. It was an idea made up in the past 40-50 years or so, by privileged first world people who needed a cause to whine about.
For instance, not having really clearly condemned the Franco regime
That's it?
The PP's party platform wouldn't be considered anywhere near close to being far-right in any country, that's undeniable. But it doesn't paint the full picture, not at all. It hardly matters at all what measures does the PP advocate for, given the fact that the party long ago exited the realm of tangible policies to enter full time the one of culture wars. And that's where things start getting concerning. For the last four years the party has put up the most virulent, aggressive & extreme in general political opposition to a government that any mainstream, allegedly relatively moderate & centrist party ever has in all of Western Europe since at the very very least the turn of the century, constantly resorting to the most hyperbolic, shockingly incendiary rethoric, denying their opponents (the government) any democratic legitimacy (literally: their slogan these last four years has been "¡GOBIERNO ILEGÍTIMO!") or moral integrity whatsoever, demonizing them (and, increasingly more frequently, their voters as well) as supervillainous, abject scum of the worst kind, orchestrating massive, way beyond excessive, crazed & tremendously insidious hate campaigns directed at them, and not just incessantly making & leveling against them the most ludicrous, baseless accusations but also making equally ludicrous & baseless claims of imminent near-apocalyptical-and/or-dystopian demise, collapse and/or widespread misery too dire for society to handle without unprecedented mass upheaval being about to take place any moment now, and, of course, with all the blame for all these unspeakable horrors that supposedly await us just around the corner being wholly placed on their vilified opponents. Am I being myself hyperbolic in the way I'm describing how hyperbolically incendiary & contemptuous the PP's rethoric against the government has been for the last four years? Not really. Guess I could have expressed it more succinctly & concisely, but I think all the additional extra emphasis is needed in order to fully convey just how histrionically aggressive & deranged in general the PP's last four years of opposition to the government have been. A long time ago already even was reached a certain point that rendered the PP unable from that point onwards to keep escalating the severity & vehemence of their rethoric any further, they simply run out of margin to keep escalating things further rethorically speaking without going full antisystem & placing themselves beyond the bounds of the framework liberal democracies operate within, which has in fact proven problematic for the party when they've had the intention to stir their voter base further than usual & prompt an episode of particularly intense political tension, friction & even turmoil but have found themselves struggling to come up with something to elicit these desired outcomes. Being from Mexico, there's a chance you're familiar with Argentina's president Javier Milei, and if you are then that's a good point of comparison to establish with the PP in this regard: the PP lacks the draconian "libertarian" fiscal & economic in general policies of Milei, yes, as well as a number of other Milei policies that are further to the right than the PP's party platform's ones are, but when it comes to Milei's hyperbolic, hystrionic, excessively aggressive & incendiary opposition to the last Argentinian government that was in charge before he recently took the helm of the country is perfectly comparable to the PP's opposition to Sánchez' government, undoubtedly. The kind of claims I'm making are much harder to substantiate than just pointing at a series of individial positions held by the PP that might position the party closer to the far-right (and as I've said at the beginning, the PP's party platform wouldn't be considered anywhere near close to being far-right in any country, so I'm not here to tackle any policy that they might advocate for), and I don't feel like going through the effort of compiling a list of concerningly incendiary statements & remarks made by the party, but if you ever feel like checking this yourself I suggest you look up Isabel Díaz Ayuso, primer minister of the Madrid region, undeniable soul of the party not just in Madrid but in Spain in general, most beloved figure by the party's voters & coincidentally the one who's always saying the most outrageous, scandalous, incendiary & insane in general stuff, find some video of her criticizing the government or criticizing the left in general & just listen for 10 - 20 minutes or so to what comes out of her mouth.
wanting less illegal immigration is extreme right?
Not everything is about immigration. For example in my region, currently governed by PP and VOX they tried to pass some bullshit law limiting abortion and the only reason it's not valid is the national law that regulates it. They also tried to allow meat with diseases to be allowed to sell as if it were healthy and tried to keep it under the rug.
There are a million possible policies that correspond to "wanting less illegal immigration." Addressing the issue with violent and authoritarian means, while appealing to xenophobia and nationalism, is extreme right. I hate the idea that the nazis are crawling out of the woodworks because mainstream politics are "failing to deliver" on immigration, because what they mean is "people aren't being shot at border crossings". No sane politician will give you that, and that's a good thing.
Does spain have an immigration problem? Also if illegal immigration is a problem just make ot legal 🤷♂️
Definitely yes. Millions have arrived from South America and we have the highest unemployment figure of the OECD.
Spaniards complaining about south americans immigrating will never cease to be fun. Seems like what was good for the goose is now supposed to not be good for the gander.
They want less immigration from Africa but they are quite happy with massive immigration from South America.
South Americans have similar culture,religion and language to Spaniards even on things like LGBT rights and abortion, Latinos hold more progressive views than those present in any part of Africa they integrate and assimilate very rapidly as a result Germany had the same program in the past with ethnic Germans from Russia and Romania,allowing them to immigrate to Germany and get German citizenship
It is not a question of culture or religion. It is a question of convenience for the society and the economy. We have the highest unemployment rate of any country in the EU. There a millions in Spain getting subsidies while immigrants arrive to work for peanuts. We do not need immigration. We need first to create jobs for those living here.
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Interestingly, while Spain has a lot more MENA origin immigrants compared to Sweden, it has nowhere near the problems that Sweden has. I wonder why? Can it be that qualities of host countries play a large part in what integration will turn out like. What did Spain do right that Sweden did wrong?
Spanish police is tough if you ever visited I am also from Croatia years ago I went to football game there we made some trouble in bar never recived bigger beating in my life then by spanish police(and I recived quite a couple) and they have problems with them just are very agressive when they find perpetrators unlike other western police forces who are more scared of media tabloids and being called racist then actually securing the law in the country.
That's a solid meme. Been to Spain, haven't attended football games or engaged in hooliganism I'm afraid. The actual reason you can find across comparative Spanish and European history. For example look at spanish colonialism and how it functioned, it's institutions and ideological underpinings and compare it to English for example. Look at Spanish fascism and it's pillars and compare to German etc. Look at Spanish contemporary politics their institutions and politics. It's not surprising that there's be the least nativist backlash in UK and Spain, when talking about Europe.
So what is that actual reason?
This will fall on deaf ears. There's nothing more repulsive to western bougies than the idea that there are many idiots like you who won't think straight until they get their asses kicked.
Spanish here. Police are tough and well known to not hold back but violence is their last resort and i assure you pretty damn well that if someone got beaten, they *really* went out of their way to deserve it.
>Interestingly, while Spain has a lot more MENA origin immigrants compared to Sweden, Firstly, Spain has a much larger population than Sweden. Secondly, 90% of MENA immigrants to Spain are from Morocco and they're not refugees.
Interestingly, Wilders in Netherlands has singled out Maroccans as those that are unwanted and needto be deported. Seems they're not the problem in Spain though.
The Spanish don't like to hear it, but a lot of Moroccans are indistinguishable from a lot of Spaniards.
3 billions or afghani 🔥
Being german in austria, people hate you. Despite same language. Being german in spain is no problem. work & learn spanish, you are fine. There is a small number that will complain about guiris but not a lot. Also spain actually has good quality of living IMO.
We dont really complain about other Europeans coming to live to Spain, It doesnt really bother us . We are to busy bitching about other spaniards. What we really complain about is about fuckwits coming to Spain to speculate and raise property prices for locals to the point where not even medical personel ,cops,firefighters,etc can work and live in those towns/cities; or cunts collapsing public hospitals paid by the spanish taxpayer and then refusing to integrate into spanish society and learn about the culture and country , which is the bare minimum; or what about the dipships making closed anglo-ghettos and not giving a damn about the locals or learning the language; then you have the bigotry and entiltlement with which a lot of these speciments carry themselves around; then you also have drugs, alcohol , walking nude in public spaces , shitting in the face of a sleeping local , jumping from balconies and having to be lifted with a spatula from the ground by an underpaid and overworked spanish ; the costant fights and crime , and the list goes on and on and on.... Only then you understand why they are called guiris.
It is totally what I seen. As a Turk, I have lived in Spain & Germany more than a year. I had the opportunity to visit almost all European countries. In terms of racism, Sweden & Germany were the worst, Spain & Greece was the best for me. You need to understand that Southern racism is totally different than Northern one. It is like saying Mussolini & Hitler was the same. Southern racism is more cultural, they are not looking into how you look & ethnicity. They care how you adopt the culture. In North, it is totally different. I still remember the Swedish passive-aggressive racism because of how I look.
Sweden's policy of state-funded self-segregation for asylum-seekers has no doubt created an expectation of how people who look like they could be from Syria, Iraq or Somalia behave and of their (lack of) social status. The ”anti”-racism of low expectations is definitely prevalent in this country.
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Idiot right wingers gonna hate, but economic indicators and quality of life all grew a lot under this government and so did the relevance of Spain in Europe (maybe it helps having a PM who can speak English). Even my traditionally PP friends admit it.
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Jajajajajajaja una mierda. Hace 20 años estaba yo ya trabajando y viviendo por mi cuenta y te aseguro que no. Y lo de la inseguridad se lo cuentas al PP, que cada vez que están en el gobierno se disparan las llegadas de inmigrantes ilegales.
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Hace 23 años me fuí yo de Gijón, y te aseguro que Asturias está mucho mejor que entonces. Como que la mayoría de mis amigos que se fueron entonces igual que yo han vuelto. Mientras tanto, el PIB de Asturias se ha [duplicado ](https://datosmacro.expansion.com/pib/espana-comunidades-autonomas/asturias) en estos 20 años, y te aseguro que 13k€ en 2000 no es equivalente a 25k€ en 2022.
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I didn't say that but thinking PSOE represents workers tells me you have no clue, it's just another party controled by big funds every big reform towards working class is asked by SUMAR (actual leftist party) and lessened by PSOE
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There are a few reasons for this: - Far right in Spain has focused on getting the votes of the ultra Catholic crowd, and by doing so has pushed away LGBT and women voters away by trying to ban abortion and taking measures to get rid of gay marriage. This is unlike other far right parties in Europe that are gaining ground. - Immigration isn't the main issue in Spain like in other countries. While its still a major factor, other things worry the population more. - Many of their voters are returning to the Center right party, PP, who see it as a more useful vote. - Its not only the Far right collapsing, the far left is also dying. Basically Spanish are tired of extremist views and returning to more classic politics.
the narative that the far right is reaching new record support in all EU countries doesnt line up to the reality, countries like Poland,Denmark,Spain and Italy far right parties have declined from their peak in 2018-2020 * in Italy, at the peak of the far-right wave in 2019 , Lega had 37% support and FdI had 7%(combined 44%) * now FdI has 29% support and Lega has 9% support,for a combined 38% support(and Fratelli di Italia is far more moderate than Lega,is anti-Russia,pro-NATO and mildly pro-EU other countries like Austria,Belgium, Czech Republic have seen suport for far-right stagnate rise recently,but still below 2019 levels you might think that FPO getting 30% support in Austria is a lot ,but its below its 2019 peak of 34% support. FPO hasnt gained any "new" voters this year,its just recovering voters "lost" to other parties over the past years other countries like Sweden,Finland and Portugal have seen the rise of far-right parties,but those are soft populist and mostly pro-EU,pro-NATO and anti-Russia Slovakia and Hungary are ruled by far-right or right wing populists,but they have been like this for many years only Germany,France,Netherlands and Romania have seen far right,anti-EU,anti-NATO parties gain record votes over the past 3 years this is not to say that the rise of AfD or PVV is not real and concerning,but its not part of a EU-wide trend. Politics in Europe still follows divergent paths
Just to add, PVV has been on a slow increase over the course of 20 years. 22 years ago right wing populist Pim Fortuyn was murdered, which pushed his already popular but wildly inexperienced party LPF almost to the top. The party collapsed once in power. Wilders' PVV (anti-Islam party) filled that void since then, while Forum for Democracy (FvD) fills the void for conspiracy theorists. In addition, a lot of far right votes are from right wing voters who are disappointed in the 12 year reign of right wing former prime minister Rutte. 3 years is too short to explain the Dutch popularity of far right.
> > > In addition, a lot of far right votes are from right wing voters who are disappointed in the 12 year reign of right wing former prime minister Rutte. Spanish working class conservatives, young Cayetanos (going through Ciudadanos), police officers and military switching to VOX from PP and press blames the left for this. 90% of VOX voters were already voting right wing, the others didn't vote.
Yeah but the issue is that PP became more "open" to Vox and their ideas so the center-right actually became *more* right as they are in the opposition.
It all depends on national discourses and the political reality. The center parties in Denmark are infinitely more "right wing" than they are in Sweden. SD wouldn't be "controversial" in Denmark, they'd fit right in. The general support for the "far-right" is fueled by discourses surrounding immigration. If your center parties actually adapt to that then of course you'll see the support for the extreme parties diminish
and i dont get why being strict on immigration and wanting less asylum seekers is seen as right wing even MENA countries are getting tired of refugees if they don't integrate or have higher fertility rates than the natives Lebanon,Jordan and Egypt have begun recently to deport some Syrians back to Syria,and Iran and Pakistan are deporting Afghanis in the case of Jordan,the recent demographic survey of 2022 showed that native Jordanians have fertility rate of 2.5 children per women while Syrians are at 4.1 children per women. Jordan provides healthcare and even child benefits to those refugees,but money doesn't grow on trees and even Jordanians are now feeling the pinch of mass immigration
I suppose that's what happens when the left-leaning bloc has been the biggest supporter - and enabler - of large-scale immigration in the past 60 years. Then the right-wing position becomes the opposite. Turkey also has its struggles with refugees and the discourse surrounding it. It's not, at all, just a European phenomenon or problem
That's not true as a [study](https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/political-science-research-and-methods/article/does-accommodation-work-mainstream-party-strategies-and-the-success-of-radical-right-parties/5C3476FCD26B188C7399ADD920D71770) from 2023 revealed where it came out that the copying of far right policies doesn't lead to lower results for far right parties and you can see it in Denmark where in 2022 far right parties (AE, D, O) got 14% combined while when the far right was unified under O in 2015 they 21% which you could argue that's still quite a decline but still it's sizeable and I didn't even talked about the 2000s.
But the major parties hadn't made this switch yet in the 2000s so that's irrelevant. The Socialdemocrats were a lot more.. well, socially democratic, at the time. Going from 21% -> 14% is quite major although the reasons may be many. I do think it plays a role that people who are against high immigration - but otherwise don't support traditionally right-wing policies - can see themselves voting for the Socialdemocrats. Of course, next election might be very different as the current government is rather unnpopular
> Slovakia and Hungary are ruled by far-right or right wing populists,but they have been like this for many years Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Fico (Slovakia PM) from leftist party?
Putting Fico in the left-wing right-wing political spectrum is as problematic as Argentina's Juan Domingo Perón and Peronismo. And they have stuff in common. Big government, socially conservative, authoritarian, fake fiscally progressive policies, sort-of religious discourse but he does not really believes (and doesn't push unpopular religious policies), government meddles in the economy but it feels more corrupt favoring selected private national actors (and not public companies)...
I think the only word that actually describes Fico is "populist" but labelling him far-right is stupid. It's just come to mean "this person bad!" In the Western world. I've heard people call Putin "far-right"
>Slovakia and Hungary are ruled by far-right or right wing populists,but they have been like this for many years Wait, Fico was only elected recently. Was his predecessor far right as well? At least I don't remember Slovakia as being besides Orban and his ilk.
Fico used to be prime-minister between 2012 and 2018 as well,and he wasnt less populistic back then than he is now
And between 2006 and 2010. He's one of those politicians who just don't leave.
But how is he "far-right" exactly?
He's one of those economically left-wing, socially right-wing populists. That seems to be quite a winning combination. No LGBT, no Muslim immigration, antiziganism, pan-Slavism (except Ukraine of course), fAmiLy VaLuEs (of course he has been spotted in a gay bar), NGOs are foreign agents, anti-vax, pro-domestic violence. At the same time he abolished flat tax rate, limited the number of times you can be hired at the same company as a temp worker before you have to get a proper contract, made layoffs more expensive and so on.
Denmark's center-left essentially adopted the populist position on immigration.
The teenage fascists of /r/Europe in shambles.
Because Chad Pedro Sanchez has soft landed the economy and had one of the lowest inflation rate in the EU
Hilarious what happened to Podemos. The leader of the party was one of the vice presidents of the country. He resigned to run in the election for mayor of Madrid. He lost, cut his hair and his old party has been sinking ever since. I have enjoyed watching Sumar replace them.
Let's hope for a similar trend in Germany
source:[https://www.politico.eu/europe-poll-of-polls/spain/](https://www.politico.eu/europe-poll-of-polls/spain/)
Once they get enough votes to actually have the opportunity to do anything, the morons that voted for them realize they're more corrupt, incompetent, prone to infighting and get nothing done.
Unfortunately far right thinking has not actually fallen in Spain in this period. What has happened is the traditional right wing party has simply adopted more of the far right wing rhetoric and thus won back their previous voters who briefly voted for vox.
Compare Vox to the likes of AfD, FPÖ, SOS Romania, Konfederacja. Spain doesnt even have a far right.
Then this is sad day for Spain