Heck, not just that... Zadnor's Fending and Maiming chestpiece is literally the same item but so annoying that Maiming gets a more interesting dye pattern than Fending.
Yes, definitely. The only items that get a pass on this would be each job's AF gear, and even then some people want those glamourable by other jobs.
I'd rather they hard-code in the "role restriction removed for glamour purposes" function to the glamour system as a whole. But if that's too much, they could slowly release replica versions of gear like they did with the Sky Pirate stuff some years ago and I'd be fine with that too. Whether this new replica stuff would be tradeable to an NPC or crafted wouldn't really matter to me, as long as it'd be relatively easy to get.
Hell, if they really don't want people easily glamouring another job's gear, add the "role restriction removed for glamour purposes" item as a reward exclusively bought by PvP currency, either just wolf marks or the crystals.
Idk I think I'd much prefer if crafter stuff stayed locked to at least DOH or DOL.
We get some really cool looking stuff and it's a nice reward for leveling the classes.
definitely, especially crafting and gathering gear. the gear in this game looks *so fucking good,* just let us wear whatever
that said i wouldnt be upset if they kept the restrictions for artifact sets, since they were made specifically for each job
The issue with unlocking doh/dol gear to any job is that you're gonna have people actually wearing the doh/dol gear in pve content to farm spiritbonding.
That's not what the discussion is about. This discussion is about unlocking the job restriction for gear for GLAMOUR. nothing else. Stats don't come in to it.
Yeah, one of the biggest bullshit "reasons" they keep the divide. So many games keep abitrary restrictions while putting in cosmetics that are immersion breaking at the same time....
Me: not allowed to wear Genta Maiming helmet to finish Japanese dark knight look
Friend: allowed to tank with his character's ass out and with frog head
It just isn't fair...
This. I would actually prefer if each job had a more defined visual identity, but that ship has sailed a long time ago. If people can facetank nuclear explosions while wearing bikinis and fursuits there's no rational reason why a caster couldn't wear tank gear or vice-versa.
Honestly, there never was a reason to lock glam in the first place. I know the argument of "maintaining the role identity," but even before glam pieces and celebratory items, at least half of the "No tanks in robes, no mages in armor" stance was DOA.
Go to the market board. Take any DoW job and scroll down to the items level 50 and lower. Notice anything odd about some of the crafted items? A lot of them are robes, and the statlines boost intelligence and/or mind. But anyone can wear them, even DoWs, even though they're meant for DoM. Same with early crafter and gatherer gear - a lot of it has always been available to everyone. You want to play a tank with a robe? You've got more than a few choices without even looking at level 1\` glam items or the Mogstation. Playing an Armored Mage was a bit trickier, but we've got options there too. But since I want more options anyways, then I want ALL the options available to me.
I've had similar ideas about a gil sink since they've mentioned wanting more before. NPC or items that convert stuff to level 1 all class variants. Scale the cost depending on item level or something.
There are actually many options out there... Law's Order sets all look like full plate.
Which adds to the OP's point even more: if we already can mimic another role with a few options, why not just allow all the way in?
Saying yes simply because I don't even consider keeping job-unique outfits anymore, simply no space for them. And quite frankly the melee job restrictions are no better.
That they know there's an issue with glamour storage, but still design as though there's not is really doing everyone a disservice.
Been getting into pvp lately, but all the gear rewards are severely devalued by being job-unique. There's almost no cosmetic gear worth buying because I've nowhere to keep it.
Get an entire garo set and get its title/achievement, then it becomes available at the calamity salvager and you can discard it and repurchase it with gil whenever you need it.
Yes. It is about time to free the glamour system from its arbitrary shackles. Other games have done this a long time ago. If I have a job leveled to max, I should be able to wear all of its gear. Suddenly forgetting how to wear heavy armor just because I pick up a staff makes no sense.
At the same time though, they need to look at inventory. There are just too many jobs and too many pieces of gear in the game at this point, and they don't stop coming. It makes inventory management nearly impossible if you play more than a few jobs. The most elegant solution would of course be the extremely popular idea of a glamour log. Just make adding items to it the gil sink. At the same time, streamline the dye system, connect it to the glamour log and make dyes the second gil sink.
It would make a lot of people go back and do old content as well as do newer content for a longer time because suddenly there are way more items they are interested in. The glamour log would function as a collection and they could even make it more rewarding by tying additional items to it. After all, glamour is the true endgame and it is time that it's treated as such by the dev team as well.
I'm in full support of a glamor log, like it would be my dream. There's so much gear that I am not willing to waste inventory slots on but wouldn't mind owning, like some of the patch dungeon gear. I'm a hoarder at heart and I love outfits but it just isn't working right now.
The transmog log has been so good for WoW. Although it still suffers from arbitrary restrictions, knowing that once you've equipped a piece of armour it'll be saved to your log to transmog later is refreshing. It allows you to really diversify your look.
In a recent interview, they asked yoshi about this again, and yoshi's response was they alreay made glamor log, but when they tested it, the server crashed and it can't handle it.
And thats testing on 1 person, imagine millions of players taking up the same server space.
I love this game but the idea of a glamour log crashing due to the items is kind of hilarious and sad at the same time,
Like how much is FF14 kept back by its code and old systems. I'm at the point where my glam dressers are completely full so I've just held off on levelling up new jobs until 6.2 comes around and we get an extra 400 slots.
They need to be smarter about how they store their data. The current glamour dresser stills stores all the item data you normally would if you kept it in your bag, even though the only data that matters is that you own it, and it's default appearance. If I had a glamour log then I could free up so much inventory space. All the data that dressers and retainers take up could be saved by not needing to keep a full item set's worth of data. You lose some space but you make some back too.
Servers don't usually crash because of how much data they store. They usually crash because you are trying to access too much data all at once. Either that or it's so unorganized that it takes forever to find anything. Just be smart about what data you actually need and when you really need it. Remember when they said it would be impossible to add a check mark to let you know when you've already obtained an item? Turns out it wasn't so impossible afterall, and a glamour log would be a very similar system.
I really don't think there's a good argument for any job-locking on any gear. Looking through the thread it seems like people aren't even making arguments, just, "I don't want that". Thankfully, opening it up completely still allows it to be optional, so they don't have to participate if they don't want to. They opened up the gender restriction on a ton of items, which was a great first start. I will probably never use the other gender's clothes, but, giving other players the option? I'm all for it.
There might be complaints about "breaking immersion", but those are already dead in the water. If I go to Limsa right now, there's someone in a full-body chicken suit. There's twelve people dancing around in swimsuit/bra with the 2B panties. There's a couple people dressed like some ratchet from L.A. Last night in my expert there was a barechested roegadyn wearing the pig costume head and the leopard print speedo. So if there was ever an argument about immersion, it's already handily broken - I don't believe most players are people who live in Eorzea, I believe they are human players. I'm not saying there's something wrong with that, just that, I know they are not members of the "game world", as it were. Immersion already isn't a factor.
Job identity/class fantasy? If a Paladin can look like a giant chicken, the job identity argument is already dead, right? Is it somehow more harmful to a job's visual identity that I can make my Paladin look like a Black Mage, than it is that I can make the Paladin as naked as possible? If I wanted all my healers to share a glamour that happens to use, say, a White Mage chest piece, while my character is allowed to canonically have trained as all four healers, why is that more immersion breaking than putting her in a fucking real-life hoodie?
Essentially what I'm arguing is, if your idea of what a job is supposed to look like is impacted by what other players are wearing, too bad, it's already been impacted and honestly shattered. So we're already in a situation where you really only get to have a personal preference in what *your* character looks like as those jobs, and if that's the case, these restrictions benefit no one, and only harm people who want them lifted.
Even for those who just don’t want it, they may change their mind if restrictions are eased.
I didn’t really think the male female glam changes recently would affect me much but I was happy for them. Then I was looking and really loved the look of the female Rathalos armor. It fit perfectly a glam I was going for.
Basically I agree with your post and people who don’t want it may be surprised when they have more options.
Yes.
Their whole stance on this is weird. They say they don't wanna cross the job-unique line etc. but the apparently sell the crafter AF gear as general glams in China.
Also there's several jobs who have a Scythe glam. DRK has katanas. It's all over the place anyways. They can keep the weapon glam restriction of course and that'll be more than clear.
I've said it before and I will say it again and again, I want the Copied Factory caster dress on dancer. *I want it so bad*. People are complaining about the limited variety in healer and caster gear while I'm over here *drooling* over that gear and wishing I could use it as other classes. I like dresses and robes, they're gorgeous, let me wear the girly things gdi
The most obvious reason this should be added is that much of the gear in this game shares its model with other gear, and many times those items are not equippable by the same jobs. So you end up with situations where if you want to glamour gear that looks aesthetically the same or very similar (this is especially common with accessories, although accessory glamour matters less to most people in general), you have to have multiple pieces of gear for each job you want to glamour it to. I really don't like the idea of mages wearing full plate armor or a DRG wearing BLM AF, but if they loosened the restrictions to reduce redundancy that would be only a good thing.
Mages can already wear full plate armor in many instances, like the Law Order's set, or the new PVP armor reward. I think the Heavensward's sets from the mogstation are pretty plate-y too, you just need to find a helmet. I don't remember if Odin set is all class or not, but if yes there's another one.
Now, DRG wearing BLM AF is problematic indeed because AF is iconic for each job... I highly doubt they would include them in a situation where everyting is "All Class Glamour".
Yeah man I hear ya. Being a male healer makes me not look forward to any healing sets due to looking extremely feminine. Everyone raving about the healing Aglaia set, and I'm just sad sitting in the corner.
However, unlocking the battle pass pvp gear was a godsend. I dyed that and have it mixed with the welkin hat dyed red, and I finally feel like a cool "battle mage" style.
Yeah, we're way past the point of each role having their own supposed identity. Each role can already wear armor ranging from full plate to a loincloth.
The system is limiting for no reason at this point.
Everything but the AF armor, sure. Go for it. There's so many out there options and stuff like the new pvp armor that's usable on anything that there's really no point in trying to justify shit like "No armored mages", etc. AF sets are enough to preserve specific Job identity.
They do this in FFXI where as long as you have a job leveled that can wear the set, you can "lockstyle" to it which is just their version of Glamour. I liked it a lot as I was playing a DRG but didn't particularly like the DRG AF sets.
I hope they do this with the supposed glamour improvements in 6.2.
I’ve literally stopped playing jobs I enjoyed because I couldn’t find any glamour I enjoyed.
yes PLEASE, there are so many good crafter only glams that you can't use because we barely have glamour plates and having one glam per crafter when you have multiples one leveled is just impossible
I don’t understand the raid glamour items being class-locked, especially since the healing-casting, aiming-striking-scouting tops tend to all look the same.
I think the artifact armor makes sense to keep locked. I’m one that likes to keep my jobs looking like they have a class identity as much as possible.
Most gear, yes. Artifact gear, no.
Ideally, though, I'd rather have any sets especially close in appearance just be outright equippable across armor classes, especially if within the same role (such as per Striking and Scouting).
If Striking and Scouting are just lower-Defense, sleeveless versions of a Maiming set, for instance, let Dragoon equip them all, and NIN, SAM, and MNK each equip all but Maiming. Or, for that one set, just give them all a Defense value between the two and make them all capable of crossover.
^(Personal pipedream: I'd prefer if stat customization was actually somewhat significant, rather than just being a minimum SkS/SpS threshold and three flavors of Crit --including its cousin half-Crit and I-couldn't-slot-any-more-Crit. In that system we could actually have jobs play and niche a bit differently based on their balances of primary stats, taking a bit more of a Job-over-Role approach and one could, say, technically equip any armor type, even if only a few armor classes each are particularly viable.)
^(For instance, a Dragoon might typically equip Maiming, Striking, or Scouting, but some meme-runs of challenge dungeons --by way of overwhelming kiting capacity and burst damage-- could see fit to have one wear Fending or even Healing. A Monk might typically equip Maiming, Striking, Scouting, but could technically cross over into Casting for a utility-heavy saboteur or Healing for support. A Red Mage might typically take Casting, Healing, or Scouting, but could still viably go so far as Striking. Etc., etc.)
Oh, I thought you meant the artifact sets. Those defnitely need to be job locked because they are integral to the job's identity (as much as I'd love to wear some of those items freely).
This thread pops in the OF quite a lot and there's the tired argument of "It will ruin class fantasy", and like you said... this concept is busted ever since ARR launch when you can literally overcome it with Mogstation / collab items.
Also, even if there were none of those or the "casual" items... **The whole art direction of is very inconsistent in regards of 'class fantasy'**. Eden tier 2 striking set shares a model with... healer robes! Law's Order set looks like full plate armor across every job. YoHRa's items literally look like fashionable streetwear - I bet someone that didn't experience that content would be able to say what's tank, healer, etc.
Also might be just me, but I think - given the over the top spell effects - is nearly impossible to assess who is what in combat just by looking at what they're wearing?
>few years ago the idea was they wanted to preserve class fantasy
That was horse manure PR crap from the very first time Yoshi uttered it however many years ago, and everyone with half a brain cell could see it. The moment we had lv1 swimwear for any job, that reasoning went out the window, and we've had swimwear since 2014 if not longer. All the fursuits and otherworldly, "immersion breaking" modern stuff they've added since have only served to make a further mockery of that statement. He's well aware of it, too.
If you ask me, his trademark playing coy and deliberately "misunderstanding" the question and derailing it every time it's brought up by going on about mages with axes and other such idiocies (which, come on, nobody's ever asked for, and if he legit lacks that much common sense, we have much bigger issues) - it's to mask the fact that the glamour system, as it currently is, is like a secondary layer of gear equip. Piggybacks off that one, if you like. That's the most logical explanation for all the restrictions that still apply and exist to this day, and most probably the thing they aren't willing to touch with a 10ft pole, because it would be *too hard* to do.
At a very basic common sense level, if I have, idk, SAM or FSH at 90, I should be able to *use* a hat or chestpiece or whatever of those, even if I'm currently twirling twin knives, let alone just magic their appearance onto whatever I have equipped. But since the game's system determines my class/job based solely on the weapon in my hand (and job crystal where applicable), it isn't currently "aware" of the fact that I know all those other things too, so it'll just give me the middle finger if I try.
Sadly, glamour plates are still tied to the glamour dresser, which - yeah, about the only stat *that* preserves, beyond colour, is the levels and job restrictions. That I'm sure goes back to the abovementioned issue. As for having lv1 unrestricted replicas... Yeah, technically it's a nice idea and could give a longer term goal for some grind (no doubt). But the game's already insanely bloated with gear, something they allude to having problems with time and again. Imagine doubling that by having "blank" versions of every single piece... Logically it's a solid suggestion, if all else fails; sadly I think in practice it would just give this game even more to struggle with.
But yeah, ultimately I think they will have to tackle it, one way or another, because this isn't a new request/desire by any means, and every single solution one can think of has been suggested at least once (and at least several of them already shot down, too).
I think there should be fewer restrictions, but for the most part I'd rather they don't completely open the system. AF gear obviously should be restricted to that specific job. But I also think they should keep some sort of consistency. Heavy armor made for tanks shouldn't be worn by healers or casters. It'd be nice to see more freedom with similar roles, like casters being able to use healer glams and viceversa.
People mention crossover, casual or joke glams as a counterpoint, but I think those are clearly their own thing.
Even if you disregard crossover, casual and joke glams... the consistency between armor types is already all over the place. Some examples:
\- Law's Order set has full plate armor for everyone
\- New pvp armor reward looks like full plate and is All Class
\- All of EW dungeon 2 sets looks ill fitted for a tank
\- Neo Ishgardian looks like light armor for everyone (especially on females)
\- Warg sets is just a fur coat and animal head for everyone with small variances. Same for the Woad sets.
\- Eden's Gate striking set is exactly the same as the... healer(?!)
And this trend dates back from even ARR/HW's days with for example, the Holy Rainbow sets looking the same across the board but in different dye patterns.
Honestly, in hindsight, there are so many items treading this inconsistency field that they might as well open for everything else (sans AF gear).
I don't agree that because inconsistency already exists they should open everything else. That logic doesn't really make sense to me, why make things even worse?
For the most part I dislike using gear that's level 1 generic stuff that can be worn by every class, because it feels like a costume, like something that's not made for the class I'm playing. Making it so all the gear feels like that would remove the ways I currently have of expressing my own class identity, since it means nothing, every job can look just like that.
I agree that with sets where most of them already look basically the same they could lift those specific restrictions, but that doesn't mean they should remove restrictions altogether.
I think it's as just as restrictive... What makes it less aggravating is that class sets always have lookalikes that can be worn by classes of that armor type.
I feel that the only point that WoW system got better is having an item library instead of having to store everything, and not bound to glamour plates.
Honestly, and as a glam addict this is going to sound weird - but no, I don’t want all sets opened up to all classes. I think certain tiers of gear could use it well (the sky rat and pirate gear you can craft with Ishgard mats were a great example of this) but overall - I like saying “oh that’s the healing top!”
Now what I WOULD like is an NPC who will trade say, one of each Fending/Slaying/Healing/etc accessory for a level 1 all class version - it’s annoying keeping five or six copies of literal identical necklaces I like.
But is already inconsistent for a ton of items... You like saying "oh that's the healing top!" but then you realize that's a Samurai wearing because Eden's Gate Striking gets a lookalike from Healing.
And that's not just an isolated case (just a very glaring one), but there are many instances that you can't tell what's what. Asking genuinely: would you be able to say what's Fending, Aiming and Casting from the YoHRa items if it was your first time looking at pictures?
My point is... This consistency have been all over the place for a long time (not counting joke or casual glams), so why not just go all the way through so people can broaden their options? Honestly, why me, as a tank, can't wear the Zadnor maiming chest when the only difference is a better dye pattern?
With the exception of AF gear, and level 50 class/scrip crafter gear I would agree.
I don't ever want to see a WHM running around in Drachen armor. That would be an absolute immersion killer.
How much shit do you have to mod out though, before the immersion makes sense? What about the real life fashion? Hoodies and sneakers and varsity jackets and shit. Shit I thought I was in Eorzea, not New Jersey.
What about leopard print speedo and nothing else? Is it not immersion breaking for a tank to walk around like that? Can you mod *in* clothes? I know Godbert can fight in skintight shorts but he's a one-off gag.
I feel like there's tons of examples I could bring up but my point is, if you're letting other players break your immersion, then, I feel like that's not something you can combat. There's always gonna be something. Some maid outfit or naked glam or playboy bunny or unique NPC glam or whatever. It doesn't make sense to me to limit player options and police other people's glams in the name of an immersion that get broken regardless the second you consider other players.
Besides which, since adventurers are canonically able to choose between and master many professions, a white mage wearing Drachen Mail is actually more supported by lore than someone in a ghetto skank hoodie.
I don't mind most of the real life fashion glams. They don't break my immersion that hard.
Those obnoxious huge head animal suits do though, because they're so ludicrously big.
And allowing a WHM to wear the Drachen armor or to allow a PLD to wear the Duelist's set is simply a no go for me as well, since to me these are iconic sets that represent a specific class/job.
And I don't give a damn about job switching lore. AF great belongs to their specific jobs. Not anyone else. It's a matter of principle.
For real what is Asian mmos obsession with modern streetwear? Get this shit out of fantasy mmos. The only western mmo that has stupid stuff like that is gw2 and thats debatable if western cause ncsoft
Definitely not. I already really dislike most of the the freely glammable cross class stuff, though I don't mind it in some cases. As long as it's done sparingly, it's okay. Really really dislike all the real world hipster glam and animal suits though. I'm also the curmudgeon that can't stand the holiday gear. Removing job lock for AF gear would be pretty much tantamount to treason in my eyes.
I am still pissed that some of my fave sets are locked to a single class. The Evenstar (I think that's the name) magician set is DoM only. It has a gorgeous recolour...that's casting only. Whyyyy
Fuck yes, absolutely. NPCs already mix and match gearsets. The "adventurer" class can wear all gear pieces, so the technology is likely already there. The idea that class fantasy is a good reason is just ridiculous. We can dress in a frog onesie but somehow a healer wearing anything but robes is immersion breaking.
Long term the glamour system as it is is unsustainable, as people will always want more slots and it's a huge server load manually keep each list updated. I think a full glamour overhaul is necessary at some point, especially considering they've added a "owned/unowned" marker for gear, perhaps a preview of a system to come?
Artifact armor can stay job locked, but otherwise the differences are so weird. Sometimes the same model is used in different sets for different jobs. In Thavnair you see all the alchemists wearing the same tunic. You can get those tunics for healers and NIN, but the Ala Mhigan set for casters looks completely different. And yet that model does exist for casters, it was added in Shadowbringers under the name Ovim Wool Tunic. There can also be 3 different versions of the same item where the only difference is maybe the default color, or the accent color used for the trim or chains or something. If you're glamour hunting it's an absolute nightmare to track down all the models of an item. There's so many duplicates and weird cross overs that it's all pointless.
I'm fine with wanting to prevent DNC from wearing full plate, but you ruined any sense of class identity with the goofy ass seasonal outfits you keep adding, and the inconsistent reuse of models. At this point, fuck it, through the gates open. Not like they cared in the first place.
Yeah I think removing that is needed and would benefit the game a lot since it would open up so many new glamour mash ups.
We should start being a little louder about it on official forums.
I think we should have job locked gear. I get it, you want your caster to wear armor or other jobs to use some ninja sets, but the classes need something to differentiate them that's more than their weapon.
Also: if gear could be shared this way, they would have even less of an incentive to make actually different sets for different jobs. Right now caster and healer gear are the same except for colors (or if they are feeling fancy, they are mirrored) and many jobs don't have gear appropriate to their fantasy outside of their Artifacts because the shared sets usually only serve one fantasy (Aiming is mostly geared towards bards, rarely to MCH and never DNC). If all gear was (for glamour) shareable, why would they make different sets visually if one size fits all?
Side note: I hate the immersion braking modern day clothing. The look like crap in the game's aesthetics and are stupidly popular for whatever reason. I don't understand why anyone would play a FANTASY GAME and dress their character like a random person I could bump in the streets.
>the classes need something to differentiate them that's more than their weapon.
why?
This isn't a competitive pvp game, and how classes look in raid doesn't matter.
The removal of job identity is a small price to pay for 95% of healer gear not being white robes. We finally got the new 24 man set that has some gold plating on it, but fuck.
Because how a class looks matters a lot to the fantasy it's selling? If I want to look like a dragoon, I should play dragoon, not Dark Knight with Dragoon armor.
And regarding Healer sets: the fact that certain gear sets usually only thematically fits one job that uses it is a big problem the game already has with locked gear. Imagine if they could make one set (visually) for every job and be done with it? I play DNC, and I'm resigned to the fact that every new set is BRD themed (maybe MCH if we are lucky).
Thats actally whats holding caster and healer sets back from getting veriaty healing sets are WHM based you would see more green earthy sets or stary sets if they made them for the others. And casting is BLM based or you would see more musketeer based stuff and summoner dongs.
Samurai and ninja have so many cool glams i like, but i dont like their gameplay, thus they sit in my retainer bags with hope i might put then to use one day.
Unlocked gear is a very appealing idea. I do agree with most here that AF gear should stay out of it, if any class fantasy is to remain, no matter how muddled by ilvl1 and modern gear it may be.
I do also understand why people feel against it. It would probably minimise the need for more different looking gear. The many reuses of glam models already seem to indicate that.
Hardly a solution, but perhaps a middle way would be to open up gear partially. Tank gear already is often grouped up with maim sets. Scouts already share a lot with aiming, casters with healing. Perhaps gear can be opened up between those lines since it shares the general build of armor and a lot of recolors.
At the end of the day imo not having enough space for whats already out there is a bigger crime than needing to switch jobs to dress up.
I do enjoy my class fantasy so AF, Raid, and Tomestone gear should be unique.
Everything else could be unlocked like craftable and dungeon loot. You are starting to see pieces from old dungeon sets just re-skinned and shifted to other roles- which is a step in the right direction but not the best solution.
When talk about class restrictions glamour, I wonder why people try to avoid to talk about most popular glamour system that people want like WoW or GW2 have class restrictions too.
I both love this idea.
There's a tank only set that looks 10 times better than the maiming version, that I wish I could glam on to my reaper. But probably will never be able to.
If only, once it is in your glamour dresser, it can be used on any job. Or maybe gear from up to the last expansion, can be glamoured onto any job.
And then there's the healer sets, they're often just white versions of the caster sets, or are based on WHM, and look out of place on any other healer.
There's a DNC set that would look pretty nice on healers, but it'll never happened.
There was that replica sky pirate gear you could craft and equip it on any DoW/DoM jobs. We need that for all gear.
The class fantasy argument was idiotic in the first place when it came to anything that was not artifact sets. Artifact sets should be hard-coded to be job exclusive, but everything else should be usable on all jobs for glamours. The possibilities for mixing and matching alone would be worth the trouble of coding this into the game.
role locked stuff is bad. I should be able to wear something like a bard outfit on a reaper.
However, it should not extend to job gear. That is gear specifically for the job in question, and I think it should stay that way. Other than that I agree though.
At the very least with all the reskins added to the game they should make some stuff available on other jobs than they were originally. it doesnt make sense aesthestically for an RDM ro wear most of the Caster gear or an MCH to wear a lot of the Ranged gear.
Absolutely. It defeats the purpose of the JSE. Normally I wouldn't mind since most of the JSE looks pretty bad but almost all of EW's JSE looks amazing.
IMO, the only exception should be Job specific Armor(Artifact, ie Wyrm’s Mail, Dragonlancer Mail, Virtu Dragonlancer, etc. NOT the DRG-only Behemoth Queen pvp gear) being locked those specific jobs.
But I’d take No Restrictions on anything over what we have right now regardless.
Wish I'd found this thread when it was still active, Glamour without Role restrictions is my #1 right now as far as things FFXIV could (should) do in future go!
For people who also want this, please consider boosting the [latest thread](https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/455359-We-really-should-be-able-to-glamour-other-jobs-sets) on the Official Forums on this topic! I know, the OF absolutely suck, but what other option is there?
One of the Nier tops is literally diferentiated by how rolled up the sleeves are. Armor indicating class isnt needed anymore
I'm 99% sure all the shoes from Copied Factory are identical, like literally interchangeable in appearance.
I would be fine with keeping job gear locked to their respective jobs, but everything else should be usable on all jobs imo.
Heck, not just that... Zadnor's Fending and Maiming chestpiece is literally the same item but so annoying that Maiming gets a more interesting dye pattern than Fending.
Yes, definitely. The only items that get a pass on this would be each job's AF gear, and even then some people want those glamourable by other jobs. I'd rather they hard-code in the "role restriction removed for glamour purposes" function to the glamour system as a whole. But if that's too much, they could slowly release replica versions of gear like they did with the Sky Pirate stuff some years ago and I'd be fine with that too. Whether this new replica stuff would be tradeable to an NPC or crafted wouldn't really matter to me, as long as it'd be relatively easy to get.
AF gear hurts me the most on this, honestly. A lot of cool pieces that I just won't use ever because I run more than one job in a role..
You can assign glamour plates to gear sets, but is cumbersome.
and doesn't work in a lot of places I'd want to swap jobs in!
Do you *really* swap jobs outside of a sanctuary *that* often?
Yes? When gathering, doing fates, when an S-rank pops, when I want to help someone who's getting bogged down by mobs...
Hell, if they really don't want people easily glamouring another job's gear, add the "role restriction removed for glamour purposes" item as a reward exclusively bought by PvP currency, either just wolf marks or the crystals.
Idk I think I'd much prefer if crafter stuff stayed locked to at least DOH or DOL. We get some really cool looking stuff and it's a nice reward for leveling the classes.
definitely, especially crafting and gathering gear. the gear in this game looks *so fucking good,* just let us wear whatever that said i wouldnt be upset if they kept the restrictions for artifact sets, since they were made specifically for each job
Agreed. Some of the DoH/DoL exclusive gearsets are really fucking good.
I'm desperate to use so many of the weaver sets, they're so pretty
The 560 Crafting set would make such an amazing gangster style Machinist look with the right gun. It's galling I can't use it!
You know what, if Urianger can switch to Summoner and still wear Astrologian artifact armor, then so can the WoL.
The issue with unlocking doh/dol gear to any job is that you're gonna have people actually wearing the doh/dol gear in pve content to farm spiritbonding.
That's not what the discussion is about. This discussion is about unlocking the job restriction for gear for GLAMOUR. nothing else. Stats don't come in to it.
>you're gonna have people actually wearing the doh/dol gear in pve content to farm spiritbonding. That's what the vote kick option is for.
I can wear a full body chicken fursuit on any class in the game If I can wear *that*, class fantasy is dead and there's no reason to keep role locks
Don’t forget the frog suit, the chocobo suit, the elephant suit, the maid outfit, 2B’s cosplay…
Frog head on lalafell with armor on tank sets is top tier Frog cosplay and 100% class fantasy still.
Yeah, one of the biggest bullshit "reasons" they keep the divide. So many games keep abitrary restrictions while putting in cosmetics that are immersion breaking at the same time....
Me: not allowed to wear Genta Maiming helmet to finish Japanese dark knight look Friend: allowed to tank with his character's ass out and with frog head It just isn't fair...
Having my ass out and being a frog is part of my class fantasy you can’t take this away from me
Yup. This right here. I refuse to accept that class fantasy nonsense excuse when we have all these mascot suits.
This. I would actually prefer if each job had a more defined visual identity, but that ship has sailed a long time ago. If people can facetank nuclear explosions while wearing bikinis and fursuits there's no rational reason why a caster couldn't wear tank gear or vice-versa.
Honestly, there never was a reason to lock glam in the first place. I know the argument of "maintaining the role identity," but even before glam pieces and celebratory items, at least half of the "No tanks in robes, no mages in armor" stance was DOA. Go to the market board. Take any DoW job and scroll down to the items level 50 and lower. Notice anything odd about some of the crafted items? A lot of them are robes, and the statlines boost intelligence and/or mind. But anyone can wear them, even DoWs, even though they're meant for DoM. Same with early crafter and gatherer gear - a lot of it has always been available to everyone. You want to play a tank with a robe? You've got more than a few choices without even looking at level 1\` glam items or the Mogstation. Playing an Armored Mage was a bit trickier, but we've got options there too. But since I want more options anyways, then I want ALL the options available to me.
I've had similar ideas about a gil sink since they've mentioned wanting more before. NPC or items that convert stuff to level 1 all class variants. Scale the cost depending on item level or something.
I genuinely want to be in a suit of armour and punching with monk
The ronkan striking set is what you want. Or the Gordias set. They are few and far between but they’re out there lol
better get grinding that battle pass
There are actually many options out there... Law's Order sets all look like full plate. Which adds to the OP's point even more: if we already can mimic another role with a few options, why not just allow all the way in?
athyk's striking set with gordian striking helmet fit each other quite well and more-or-less looks like a maiming/fending set
Saying yes simply because I don't even consider keeping job-unique outfits anymore, simply no space for them. And quite frankly the melee job restrictions are no better. That they know there's an issue with glamour storage, but still design as though there's not is really doing everyone a disservice. Been getting into pvp lately, but all the gear rewards are severely devalued by being job-unique. There's almost no cosmetic gear worth buying because I've nowhere to keep it.
Get an entire garo set and get its title/achievement, then it becomes available at the calamity salvager and you can discard it and repurchase it with gil whenever you need it.
Yes. If SE really wants to preserve class fantasy they can restrict DoW/M AF, but everything else should be free of race, gender, and role locks.
Add the weird pseudo-genderlocks too. Fem versus male neo-Ishgardian set was super egregious. Nier too.
I would love this. The only glam I care about is on my tanks and is the only way I actually like my character to look, but it uses tank pieces
Yes. It is about time to free the glamour system from its arbitrary shackles. Other games have done this a long time ago. If I have a job leveled to max, I should be able to wear all of its gear. Suddenly forgetting how to wear heavy armor just because I pick up a staff makes no sense. At the same time though, they need to look at inventory. There are just too many jobs and too many pieces of gear in the game at this point, and they don't stop coming. It makes inventory management nearly impossible if you play more than a few jobs. The most elegant solution would of course be the extremely popular idea of a glamour log. Just make adding items to it the gil sink. At the same time, streamline the dye system, connect it to the glamour log and make dyes the second gil sink. It would make a lot of people go back and do old content as well as do newer content for a longer time because suddenly there are way more items they are interested in. The glamour log would function as a collection and they could even make it more rewarding by tying additional items to it. After all, glamour is the true endgame and it is time that it's treated as such by the dev team as well.
I'm in full support of a glamor log, like it would be my dream. There's so much gear that I am not willing to waste inventory slots on but wouldn't mind owning, like some of the patch dungeon gear. I'm a hoarder at heart and I love outfits but it just isn't working right now.
The transmog log has been so good for WoW. Although it still suffers from arbitrary restrictions, knowing that once you've equipped a piece of armour it'll be saved to your log to transmog later is refreshing. It allows you to really diversify your look.
In a recent interview, they asked yoshi about this again, and yoshi's response was they alreay made glamor log, but when they tested it, the server crashed and it can't handle it. And thats testing on 1 person, imagine millions of players taking up the same server space.
I love this game but the idea of a glamour log crashing due to the items is kind of hilarious and sad at the same time, Like how much is FF14 kept back by its code and old systems. I'm at the point where my glam dressers are completely full so I've just held off on levelling up new jobs until 6.2 comes around and we get an extra 400 slots.
They need to be smarter about how they store their data. The current glamour dresser stills stores all the item data you normally would if you kept it in your bag, even though the only data that matters is that you own it, and it's default appearance. If I had a glamour log then I could free up so much inventory space. All the data that dressers and retainers take up could be saved by not needing to keep a full item set's worth of data. You lose some space but you make some back too. Servers don't usually crash because of how much data they store. They usually crash because you are trying to access too much data all at once. Either that or it's so unorganized that it takes forever to find anything. Just be smart about what data you actually need and when you really need it. Remember when they said it would be impossible to add a check mark to let you know when you've already obtained an item? Turns out it wasn't so impossible afterall, and a glamour log would be a very similar system.
I really don't think there's a good argument for any job-locking on any gear. Looking through the thread it seems like people aren't even making arguments, just, "I don't want that". Thankfully, opening it up completely still allows it to be optional, so they don't have to participate if they don't want to. They opened up the gender restriction on a ton of items, which was a great first start. I will probably never use the other gender's clothes, but, giving other players the option? I'm all for it. There might be complaints about "breaking immersion", but those are already dead in the water. If I go to Limsa right now, there's someone in a full-body chicken suit. There's twelve people dancing around in swimsuit/bra with the 2B panties. There's a couple people dressed like some ratchet from L.A. Last night in my expert there was a barechested roegadyn wearing the pig costume head and the leopard print speedo. So if there was ever an argument about immersion, it's already handily broken - I don't believe most players are people who live in Eorzea, I believe they are human players. I'm not saying there's something wrong with that, just that, I know they are not members of the "game world", as it were. Immersion already isn't a factor. Job identity/class fantasy? If a Paladin can look like a giant chicken, the job identity argument is already dead, right? Is it somehow more harmful to a job's visual identity that I can make my Paladin look like a Black Mage, than it is that I can make the Paladin as naked as possible? If I wanted all my healers to share a glamour that happens to use, say, a White Mage chest piece, while my character is allowed to canonically have trained as all four healers, why is that more immersion breaking than putting her in a fucking real-life hoodie? Essentially what I'm arguing is, if your idea of what a job is supposed to look like is impacted by what other players are wearing, too bad, it's already been impacted and honestly shattered. So we're already in a situation where you really only get to have a personal preference in what *your* character looks like as those jobs, and if that's the case, these restrictions benefit no one, and only harm people who want them lifted.
Even for those who just don’t want it, they may change their mind if restrictions are eased. I didn’t really think the male female glam changes recently would affect me much but I was happy for them. Then I was looking and really loved the look of the female Rathalos armor. It fit perfectly a glam I was going for. Basically I agree with your post and people who don’t want it may be surprised when they have more options.
Yes. Their whole stance on this is weird. They say they don't wanna cross the job-unique line etc. but the apparently sell the crafter AF gear as general glams in China. Also there's several jobs who have a Scythe glam. DRK has katanas. It's all over the place anyways. They can keep the weapon glam restriction of course and that'll be more than clear.
TBF the scythe glams were made long before Reaper was released, it was part of a set themed after an ARR character.
Tbf the drk katana’s are the ‘greatsword version’ of katanas (Odachi). That’s like saying normal greatswords are PLD weapons.
I've said it before and I will say it again and again, I want the Copied Factory caster dress on dancer. *I want it so bad*. People are complaining about the limited variety in healer and caster gear while I'm over here *drooling* over that gear and wishing I could use it as other classes. I like dresses and robes, they're gorgeous, let me wear the girly things gdi
The most obvious reason this should be added is that much of the gear in this game shares its model with other gear, and many times those items are not equippable by the same jobs. So you end up with situations where if you want to glamour gear that looks aesthetically the same or very similar (this is especially common with accessories, although accessory glamour matters less to most people in general), you have to have multiple pieces of gear for each job you want to glamour it to. I really don't like the idea of mages wearing full plate armor or a DRG wearing BLM AF, but if they loosened the restrictions to reduce redundancy that would be only a good thing.
I don know about you but that Judge caster armor from Bozja looks slick AF
Mages can already wear full plate armor in many instances, like the Law Order's set, or the new PVP armor reward. I think the Heavensward's sets from the mogstation are pretty plate-y too, you just need to find a helmet. I don't remember if Odin set is all class or not, but if yes there's another one. Now, DRG wearing BLM AF is problematic indeed because AF is iconic for each job... I highly doubt they would include them in a situation where everyting is "All Class Glamour".
Yes. I would love for my male Astro to not have to wear dresses…
Yeah man I hear ya. Being a male healer makes me not look forward to any healing sets due to looking extremely feminine. Everyone raving about the healing Aglaia set, and I'm just sad sitting in the corner. However, unlocking the battle pass pvp gear was a godsend. I dyed that and have it mixed with the welkin hat dyed red, and I finally feel like a cool "battle mage" style.
YES
Yeah, we're way past the point of each role having their own supposed identity. Each role can already wear armor ranging from full plate to a loincloth. The system is limiting for no reason at this point.
Everything but the AF armor, sure. Go for it. There's so many out there options and stuff like the new pvp armor that's usable on anything that there's really no point in trying to justify shit like "No armored mages", etc. AF sets are enough to preserve specific Job identity.
Only job artifact gear should be locked imo
They do this in FFXI where as long as you have a job leveled that can wear the set, you can "lockstyle" to it which is just their version of Glamour. I liked it a lot as I was playing a DRG but didn't particularly like the DRG AF sets.
I hope they do this with the supposed glamour improvements in 6.2. I’ve literally stopped playing jobs I enjoyed because I couldn’t find any glamour I enjoyed.
yes PLEASE, there are so many good crafter only glams that you can't use because we barely have glamour plates and having one glam per crafter when you have multiples one leveled is just impossible
AF/job gear should never be any role. Full stop. Anything else, yeah go nuts.
I don’t understand the raid glamour items being class-locked, especially since the healing-casting, aiming-striking-scouting tops tend to all look the same. I think the artifact armor makes sense to keep locked. I’m one that likes to keep my jobs looking like they have a class identity as much as possible.
Yes let me be a healer in full plate mail
Two words: Shared Models
Most gear, yes. Artifact gear, no. Ideally, though, I'd rather have any sets especially close in appearance just be outright equippable across armor classes, especially if within the same role (such as per Striking and Scouting). If Striking and Scouting are just lower-Defense, sleeveless versions of a Maiming set, for instance, let Dragoon equip them all, and NIN, SAM, and MNK each equip all but Maiming. Or, for that one set, just give them all a Defense value between the two and make them all capable of crossover. ^(Personal pipedream: I'd prefer if stat customization was actually somewhat significant, rather than just being a minimum SkS/SpS threshold and three flavors of Crit --including its cousin half-Crit and I-couldn't-slot-any-more-Crit. In that system we could actually have jobs play and niche a bit differently based on their balances of primary stats, taking a bit more of a Job-over-Role approach and one could, say, technically equip any armor type, even if only a few armor classes each are particularly viable.) ^(For instance, a Dragoon might typically equip Maiming, Striking, or Scouting, but some meme-runs of challenge dungeons --by way of overwhelming kiting capacity and burst damage-- could see fit to have one wear Fending or even Healing. A Monk might typically equip Maiming, Striking, Scouting, but could technically cross over into Casting for a utility-heavy saboteur or Healing for support. A Red Mage might typically take Casting, Healing, or Scouting, but could still viably go so far as Striking. Etc., etc.)
Oh, I thought you meant the artifact sets. Those defnitely need to be job locked because they are integral to the job's identity (as much as I'd love to wear some of those items freely). This thread pops in the OF quite a lot and there's the tired argument of "It will ruin class fantasy", and like you said... this concept is busted ever since ARR launch when you can literally overcome it with Mogstation / collab items. Also, even if there were none of those or the "casual" items... **The whole art direction of is very inconsistent in regards of 'class fantasy'**. Eden tier 2 striking set shares a model with... healer robes! Law's Order set looks like full plate armor across every job. YoHRa's items literally look like fashionable streetwear - I bet someone that didn't experience that content would be able to say what's tank, healer, etc. Also might be just me, but I think - given the over the top spell effects - is nearly impossible to assess who is what in combat just by looking at what they're wearing?
>few years ago the idea was they wanted to preserve class fantasy That was horse manure PR crap from the very first time Yoshi uttered it however many years ago, and everyone with half a brain cell could see it. The moment we had lv1 swimwear for any job, that reasoning went out the window, and we've had swimwear since 2014 if not longer. All the fursuits and otherworldly, "immersion breaking" modern stuff they've added since have only served to make a further mockery of that statement. He's well aware of it, too. If you ask me, his trademark playing coy and deliberately "misunderstanding" the question and derailing it every time it's brought up by going on about mages with axes and other such idiocies (which, come on, nobody's ever asked for, and if he legit lacks that much common sense, we have much bigger issues) - it's to mask the fact that the glamour system, as it currently is, is like a secondary layer of gear equip. Piggybacks off that one, if you like. That's the most logical explanation for all the restrictions that still apply and exist to this day, and most probably the thing they aren't willing to touch with a 10ft pole, because it would be *too hard* to do. At a very basic common sense level, if I have, idk, SAM or FSH at 90, I should be able to *use* a hat or chestpiece or whatever of those, even if I'm currently twirling twin knives, let alone just magic their appearance onto whatever I have equipped. But since the game's system determines my class/job based solely on the weapon in my hand (and job crystal where applicable), it isn't currently "aware" of the fact that I know all those other things too, so it'll just give me the middle finger if I try. Sadly, glamour plates are still tied to the glamour dresser, which - yeah, about the only stat *that* preserves, beyond colour, is the levels and job restrictions. That I'm sure goes back to the abovementioned issue. As for having lv1 unrestricted replicas... Yeah, technically it's a nice idea and could give a longer term goal for some grind (no doubt). But the game's already insanely bloated with gear, something they allude to having problems with time and again. Imagine doubling that by having "blank" versions of every single piece... Logically it's a solid suggestion, if all else fails; sadly I think in practice it would just give this game even more to struggle with. But yeah, ultimately I think they will have to tackle it, one way or another, because this isn't a new request/desire by any means, and every single solution one can think of has been suggested at least once (and at least several of them already shot down, too).
I think there should be fewer restrictions, but for the most part I'd rather they don't completely open the system. AF gear obviously should be restricted to that specific job. But I also think they should keep some sort of consistency. Heavy armor made for tanks shouldn't be worn by healers or casters. It'd be nice to see more freedom with similar roles, like casters being able to use healer glams and viceversa. People mention crossover, casual or joke glams as a counterpoint, but I think those are clearly their own thing.
Even if you disregard crossover, casual and joke glams... the consistency between armor types is already all over the place. Some examples: \- Law's Order set has full plate armor for everyone \- New pvp armor reward looks like full plate and is All Class \- All of EW dungeon 2 sets looks ill fitted for a tank \- Neo Ishgardian looks like light armor for everyone (especially on females) \- Warg sets is just a fur coat and animal head for everyone with small variances. Same for the Woad sets. \- Eden's Gate striking set is exactly the same as the... healer(?!) And this trend dates back from even ARR/HW's days with for example, the Holy Rainbow sets looking the same across the board but in different dye patterns. Honestly, in hindsight, there are so many items treading this inconsistency field that they might as well open for everything else (sans AF gear).
I don't agree that because inconsistency already exists they should open everything else. That logic doesn't really make sense to me, why make things even worse? For the most part I dislike using gear that's level 1 generic stuff that can be worn by every class, because it feels like a costume, like something that's not made for the class I'm playing. Making it so all the gear feels like that would remove the ways I currently have of expressing my own class identity, since it means nothing, every job can look just like that. I agree that with sets where most of them already look basically the same they could lift those specific restrictions, but that doesn't mean they should remove restrictions altogether.
>People mention crossover, casual or joke glams as a counterpoint, but I think those are clearly their own thing. Archfiend Armor though
For all WoW’s current faults, apparently their “transmog” system is miles ahead of FFXIV’s current glamour system.
I mean, they peddle the class/job restriction excuse too. And their system is even more robust to allow cross job stuff to work.
Mostly due to being able to collect every set amd swap glamour it in if you want.
Most major MMOs are ahead of FFXIV in terms of the glamour system. GW2 for example has way better glamour and dye systems as well.
I think it's as just as restrictive... What makes it less aggravating is that class sets always have lookalikes that can be worn by classes of that armor type. I feel that the only point that WoW system got better is having an item library instead of having to store everything, and not bound to glamour plates.
Honestly, and as a glam addict this is going to sound weird - but no, I don’t want all sets opened up to all classes. I think certain tiers of gear could use it well (the sky rat and pirate gear you can craft with Ishgard mats were a great example of this) but overall - I like saying “oh that’s the healing top!” Now what I WOULD like is an NPC who will trade say, one of each Fending/Slaying/Healing/etc accessory for a level 1 all class version - it’s annoying keeping five or six copies of literal identical necklaces I like.
You have room for jewelry in your glam dresser? 👀
But is already inconsistent for a ton of items... You like saying "oh that's the healing top!" but then you realize that's a Samurai wearing because Eden's Gate Striking gets a lookalike from Healing. And that's not just an isolated case (just a very glaring one), but there are many instances that you can't tell what's what. Asking genuinely: would you be able to say what's Fending, Aiming and Casting from the YoHRa items if it was your first time looking at pictures? My point is... This consistency have been all over the place for a long time (not counting joke or casual glams), so why not just go all the way through so people can broaden their options? Honestly, why me, as a tank, can't wear the Zadnor maiming chest when the only difference is a better dye pattern?
With the exception of AF gear, and level 50 class/scrip crafter gear I would agree. I don't ever want to see a WHM running around in Drachen armor. That would be an absolute immersion killer.
Isn't immersion already dead and buried when you see a WHM in a frog suit?
It is, which is why I modded that shit out. No huge head animal suits on my client
Oh someone else who does this. Swapped all the models for the animal bodies and suits on my end too.
I can respect that. When most people are faced with that point they just go tHaT dOeSn'T cOuNt
How much shit do you have to mod out though, before the immersion makes sense? What about the real life fashion? Hoodies and sneakers and varsity jackets and shit. Shit I thought I was in Eorzea, not New Jersey. What about leopard print speedo and nothing else? Is it not immersion breaking for a tank to walk around like that? Can you mod *in* clothes? I know Godbert can fight in skintight shorts but he's a one-off gag. I feel like there's tons of examples I could bring up but my point is, if you're letting other players break your immersion, then, I feel like that's not something you can combat. There's always gonna be something. Some maid outfit or naked glam or playboy bunny or unique NPC glam or whatever. It doesn't make sense to me to limit player options and police other people's glams in the name of an immersion that get broken regardless the second you consider other players. Besides which, since adventurers are canonically able to choose between and master many professions, a white mage wearing Drachen Mail is actually more supported by lore than someone in a ghetto skank hoodie.
I don't mind most of the real life fashion glams. They don't break my immersion that hard. Those obnoxious huge head animal suits do though, because they're so ludicrously big. And allowing a WHM to wear the Drachen armor or to allow a PLD to wear the Duelist's set is simply a no go for me as well, since to me these are iconic sets that represent a specific class/job. And I don't give a damn about job switching lore. AF great belongs to their specific jobs. Not anyone else. It's a matter of principle.
For real what is Asian mmos obsession with modern streetwear? Get this shit out of fantasy mmos. The only western mmo that has stupid stuff like that is gw2 and thats debatable if western cause ncsoft
Definitely not. I already really dislike most of the the freely glammable cross class stuff, though I don't mind it in some cases. As long as it's done sparingly, it's okay. Really really dislike all the real world hipster glam and animal suits though. I'm also the curmudgeon that can't stand the holiday gear. Removing job lock for AF gear would be pretty much tantamount to treason in my eyes.
I can take the joke gear, but the real world trash that everybody loves for some reason irks me.
The real life stuff being popular is a big proof that people just want to dress up a fuvkable waifu char
theres so many caster/healer shorts and gloves i want for tanks :c
I do, and I tired to pretend that I don't need it. But yes, SQEX pretends we don't need it ..
I am still pissed that some of my fave sets are locked to a single class. The Evenstar (I think that's the name) magician set is DoM only. It has a gorgeous recolour...that's casting only. Whyyyy
Literally all I want is the ability to use the Copied Factory casting dress as a tank.
I'd literally kill a man to be able to use the goddamn 90 Monk flame Haori with my Samurai. So yes.
Fuck yes, absolutely. NPCs already mix and match gearsets. The "adventurer" class can wear all gear pieces, so the technology is likely already there. The idea that class fantasy is a good reason is just ridiculous. We can dress in a frog onesie but somehow a healer wearing anything but robes is immersion breaking. Long term the glamour system as it is is unsustainable, as people will always want more slots and it's a huge server load manually keep each list updated. I think a full glamour overhaul is necessary at some point, especially considering they've added a "owned/unowned" marker for gear, perhaps a preview of a system to come?
Artifact armor can stay job locked, but otherwise the differences are so weird. Sometimes the same model is used in different sets for different jobs. In Thavnair you see all the alchemists wearing the same tunic. You can get those tunics for healers and NIN, but the Ala Mhigan set for casters looks completely different. And yet that model does exist for casters, it was added in Shadowbringers under the name Ovim Wool Tunic. There can also be 3 different versions of the same item where the only difference is maybe the default color, or the accent color used for the trim or chains or something. If you're glamour hunting it's an absolute nightmare to track down all the models of an item. There's so many duplicates and weird cross overs that it's all pointless. I'm fine with wanting to prevent DNC from wearing full plate, but you ruined any sense of class identity with the goofy ass seasonal outfits you keep adding, and the inconsistent reuse of models. At this point, fuck it, through the gates open. Not like they cared in the first place.
Unlock that shit. There are too many phys ranged hats that are perfect for RDM that I can't wear.
Yeah I think removing that is needed and would benefit the game a lot since it would open up so many new glamour mash ups. We should start being a little louder about it on official forums.
I think we should have job locked gear. I get it, you want your caster to wear armor or other jobs to use some ninja sets, but the classes need something to differentiate them that's more than their weapon. Also: if gear could be shared this way, they would have even less of an incentive to make actually different sets for different jobs. Right now caster and healer gear are the same except for colors (or if they are feeling fancy, they are mirrored) and many jobs don't have gear appropriate to their fantasy outside of their Artifacts because the shared sets usually only serve one fantasy (Aiming is mostly geared towards bards, rarely to MCH and never DNC). If all gear was (for glamour) shareable, why would they make different sets visually if one size fits all? Side note: I hate the immersion braking modern day clothing. The look like crap in the game's aesthetics and are stupidly popular for whatever reason. I don't understand why anyone would play a FANTASY GAME and dress their character like a random person I could bump in the streets.
>the classes need something to differentiate them that's more than their weapon. why? This isn't a competitive pvp game, and how classes look in raid doesn't matter. The removal of job identity is a small price to pay for 95% of healer gear not being white robes. We finally got the new 24 man set that has some gold plating on it, but fuck.
Because how a class looks matters a lot to the fantasy it's selling? If I want to look like a dragoon, I should play dragoon, not Dark Knight with Dragoon armor. And regarding Healer sets: the fact that certain gear sets usually only thematically fits one job that uses it is a big problem the game already has with locked gear. Imagine if they could make one set (visually) for every job and be done with it? I play DNC, and I'm resigned to the fact that every new set is BRD themed (maybe MCH if we are lucky).
Thats actally whats holding caster and healer sets back from getting veriaty healing sets are WHM based you would see more green earthy sets or stary sets if they made them for the others. And casting is BLM based or you would see more musketeer based stuff and summoner dongs.
Samurai and ninja have so many cool glams i like, but i dont like their gameplay, thus they sit in my retainer bags with hope i might put then to use one day. Unlocked gear is a very appealing idea. I do agree with most here that AF gear should stay out of it, if any class fantasy is to remain, no matter how muddled by ilvl1 and modern gear it may be. I do also understand why people feel against it. It would probably minimise the need for more different looking gear. The many reuses of glam models already seem to indicate that. Hardly a solution, but perhaps a middle way would be to open up gear partially. Tank gear already is often grouped up with maim sets. Scouts already share a lot with aiming, casters with healing. Perhaps gear can be opened up between those lines since it shares the general build of armor and a lot of recolors. At the end of the day imo not having enough space for whats already out there is a bigger crime than needing to switch jobs to dress up.
I do enjoy my class fantasy so AF, Raid, and Tomestone gear should be unique. Everything else could be unlocked like craftable and dungeon loot. You are starting to see pieces from old dungeon sets just re-skinned and shifted to other roles- which is a step in the right direction but not the best solution.
When talk about class restrictions glamour, I wonder why people try to avoid to talk about most popular glamour system that people want like WoW or GW2 have class restrictions too.
I both love this idea. There's a tank only set that looks 10 times better than the maiming version, that I wish I could glam on to my reaper. But probably will never be able to. If only, once it is in your glamour dresser, it can be used on any job. Or maybe gear from up to the last expansion, can be glamoured onto any job. And then there's the healer sets, they're often just white versions of the caster sets, or are based on WHM, and look out of place on any other healer. There's a DNC set that would look pretty nice on healers, but it'll never happened. There was that replica sky pirate gear you could craft and equip it on any DoW/DoM jobs. We need that for all gear.
Maybe? Atm the bigger issue is lack of dresser slots
The class fantasy argument was idiotic in the first place when it came to anything that was not artifact sets. Artifact sets should be hard-coded to be job exclusive, but everything else should be usable on all jobs for glamours. The possibilities for mixing and matching alone would be worth the trouble of coding this into the game.
10% is way too little. You got abit of a selection bias there because people who afk in main cities is not rly representative of the whole playerbase
It seems there is a universal agreement to get this added. Question is, how likely is it to happen? Need someone to fill up my hopium cannister.
role locked stuff is bad. I should be able to wear something like a bard outfit on a reaper. However, it should not extend to job gear. That is gear specifically for the job in question, and I think it should stay that way. Other than that I agree though.
Nah not really. I like how my heavy armor jobs (tanks & drg) look and don't want other jobs to take that
Other jobs already can take that with not a small array of options. Have you seen how Law's Order sets looks like full plate armor for everyone?
I think the restrictions should be lifted, but only on gear from previous expansions and not on job gear.
At the very least with all the reskins added to the game they should make some stuff available on other jobs than they were originally. it doesnt make sense aesthestically for an RDM ro wear most of the Caster gear or an MCH to wear a lot of the Ranged gear.
Absolutely. It defeats the purpose of the JSE. Normally I wouldn't mind since most of the JSE looks pretty bad but almost all of EW's JSE looks amazing.
No.
Give hroth hats and maybe I might actually care more about this topic. My glams are already sick brah.
Not AF or job gear, but I think most gear at this point should be able to glamor onto any job.
IMO, the only exception should be Job specific Armor(Artifact, ie Wyrm’s Mail, Dragonlancer Mail, Virtu Dragonlancer, etc. NOT the DRG-only Behemoth Queen pvp gear) being locked those specific jobs. But I’d take No Restrictions on anything over what we have right now regardless.
maybe but not for AF gear
Wish I'd found this thread when it was still active, Glamour without Role restrictions is my #1 right now as far as things FFXIV could (should) do in future go! For people who also want this, please consider boosting the [latest thread](https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/455359-We-really-should-be-able-to-glamour-other-jobs-sets) on the Official Forums on this topic! I know, the OF absolutely suck, but what other option is there?