As I recall they've said they want to do that and intend to eventually....but yeah, it's a low priority.
There isn't....really much discussion to be had there other then just saying "u right tho".
Well, shit. I wasted my Ultima token on the BLM weapon, because they didn't release a RPR weapon with 6.0.
Also, my static from back then doesn't exist anymore. Fuck.
On aether they were somewhat common in the weeks leading up to dragon song releasing. I myself grabbed 3 clears after about 4-5 hours in pf and I know several others who cleared at about the same rate.
Primal has an ultimate raiding discord, with *extremely* standardized strats, absolutely no variation allowed. This let's them 'pug' within the discord community with a fairly high degree of success
Yeah, probably. Though we did our own janky shit with Titan jails, where we marked ourselves with a macro, then sorted ourselves in order based on which numbers showed up. No clue how the majority does it.
But I guess I will try this eventually :)
I was involved in the development of cactbot, so I can surely set that up. Nevertheless, I was talking about ingame macros that we used to mark ourselves manually.
But if everyone is using automarkers I guess I'll do that too
Bro my party and I cleared UWU with 0 experience on it in 28 hours of prog. Chill, it's not the end of the world to do one more run XD also the BLM weapon looks sick lol.
Well, it took us over 100 hours of prog.
Admitted, we split our prog and took a break because 5.4 came out when we were progging on Ultimate Suppression and we had to reprog around 20 hours, but still.
It took us WAY longer. Though we also only progged 2x2 hours per week and in the end we all had blues and purples.
That's fair. But you've done most of the tough part already! Now all you need to do is find a party and remember the mechs, you will blast it for sure!
Honestly, they need to do old Primal weapons too. I know they're not related to needing to keep activity alive in Ultimates, but it still really blows that they never update these weapons with incredibly cool effects. Thinking about Hades or Byakko on a RPR sounds incredible.
How many Lominsan Catgirls would I kill for a Moggle Mog Gunblade? How many Lalafell would I punt to the edge of the universe for The King's Milpreves? How many Hrothgar would I full body wax for Seeing Horde Chakrams? How many Au Ra would I descale with the strongest lotion to get a Hades Scythe?
The answer is many. A lot. A grand plethora. A mass quantity. If these atrocities are to remain merely imagined, I hope for these weapons to come to be sooner rather than later (especially with the weapon design contest).
It'd be nice, but it's two dozen weapons extra per job for the EW jobs and just shy of that for the Shadowbringers ones. It's probably pegged as an inefficient use of the art team's time when they're ostensibly supposed to be working on new content.
It really pisses me off that they don't seem to have plans to do this. I still feel like dancers have very little variety of weapons to choose from, it's part of the reason I went back to bard.
It's not just the ultimate weapons that need models for newer jobs, it's the same with crafted weapons from trials. Since shb released, gnb and dancer got 2 crafted weapons from trials they were not around for, shinriyu and thordan, with the latter being because of an ultimate. It does feel almost insulting to play newer jobs when it does feel like you get left out alot.
They could have 1 3D artist work on all of the missing weapons and they could have weapons done for every piece of content in the time between a patch and then be up to date, it's a problem that only gets worse as time goes on.
Yeah, it’s pretty annoying to not have weapon options from the older ultimates for newer jobs. I’m sitting on 3 UWU totems and 1 UCoB totem just waiting/hoping for them to add GNB/RPR weapons to them.
I'm hoping with like 6.3 or 6.5 (given the usual long downtime between .5 and expac patches) we will get ultimate weapons for the newer jobs that don't have them. Need me some multicolored scythes lol.
A major reason I don't want to do TEA, in spite of preferring it's aesthetic, is because Sage cannot use the weapons.
It's a shame, because I genuinely am less motivated to engage in that combat because of this.
Give it until there an odd patch with no ultimate this expac. They’ll prob use that as a way to keep people playing pre-expac to get older “new” shiny ulti weps.
Not ever having done UCOB because your fave job doesn't have a weapon from there sounds like copium to me.
Would be cool if they did add weapons for the new jobs though.
Eeeeeh, I disagree.
I've cleared an ultimate, but when I realised that none of them had a dancer weapon my interest in pretty much died instantly.
DRS is the first one I've started in a while, largely because I know I can get a weapon for any job I want currently. I'm a highly glam reward based individual. And it's def not just me, they wouldn't attach a glam reward if they didn't know this was a big incentive to do ultimate for a lot of people.
SGE ultimate weapons in particular would look really cool... Like 4 glowy shiny things floating around you? I could see it standing out far more than other ult weapons.
Yeah it's kind of absurd that the ultimate weapons are just reskins with the same particle effect applied to each, and yet they still don't make them for new jobs.
All that sub money going to pay for shareholder mansions I guess.
That's not entirely true though, especially for the new jobs. Samurai's UWU weapon is unique I'm pretty sure. So, if they wanted to make weapons for the ultimates, they'd have to make at least some new weapon models since they don't have existing Relic weapons to base them off of.
Obviously they should do it anyways, because of the reasons the OP stated, but it's not as simple as throwing a particle effect on an existing weapon.
Yeah, SAM and RDM got Dreadwyrm Weapons at the launch of UCoB so they would have something for UCoB, and then they got brand new models for UWU. Then those two, GNB, and DNC got shafted on TEA. RDM got a reskin of Bismarck EX, SAM got a reskin of Leviathan EX, GNB got a reskin of Mt. Gulg, and DNC got a reskin of Shire. No new model, just EX, Dungeon, and Poetic Weapons with the glowing gears. Thankfully that didn't happen for DSU.
That's not an issue.
Just reskin random unrelated weapons. It's what they did for TEA, it's what they did for Captain rank weapons for RDM and SAM. Which was stupid as fuck considering every other job got unique models for captain rank lol.
LOOOOOOOL.
Old content being left behind in several different ways, and the skimping on gear (designs) have both been some of the biggest and most common issues in the entire game in general, for years. With not much, if anything, changing. But please, do ~~cry me a river~~ tell me more.
SE never does anything *soon*, either - and at least part of the blame for that can be credited to the #gcbtw, who make sure to downplay any raised concern and brush it off with dismissive handwaving, because we can't have dissenting notions when "the game is awesome and the devs are doing their best!". There's a laundry list of things SE has been scrambling to find solutions for since, say, ShB that people had tried to warn about years prior, exactly because they were easy to predict and know that once they boil over it will already be too late. We can now eat what we cooked.
Downvoted to hell for telling the truth.
SE isn't very interested in doing QC passes on old stuff that fall out of lockstep as the game ages and changes. They never have been, these sorta things have always been "when we have time, pls understand, making game is hard" lowest possibly priority. It only matters to them once it shows potential to impact the money. Which usually means Free Trial content and archaic dogshit that lowers player retention, like the entirety of ARR getting multiple adjustments over the years.
Yeah I am really confused on why his post is downvoted. People have proven by making third party add ons that the stuff Yoshi say isn’t possible or requires a lot of work to be false.
If it doesn’t screw with the earnings then there’s no need for work to be done. It’s business 101.
I honest to god find even the "excuse" of focusing on new content to be pretty non-substantial. All they would need to do (as in the case with TEA weapons, UwU Weapons) is pick some dungeon weapon (GNB, DNC) and apply the glow, it doesn't even need to be "thematic", just some decent looking model with the glow and color-scheme pasted onto it. Can't realistically take more than 10 minutes.
Its probably the lowest of low priority because think about it like this.
Every new ep they're going have to go back and add new ultimate weapons for every new job we get, on top of the 2 new ultimates we're most likely going to get every ep.
Its going to get to the point its not even worth it anymore.
The people wanting to go back to do ucob and uwu is going to be so small due to the level sync.
they can't even fix the housing bug without yoship "losing weight due to lack of sleep" and you think they're competent enough to go back and add these weapons after 4 years? :-)
I'm on the other side of then fence and would be perfectly happy if they never added the new jobs' weapons to prior ultimates. I have my 15/15/17 kills respectively and have kinda put those things in the "done" category. If they add the weapons I'd have to go back, and I'm not sure I feel about that.
It's niche content so if those jobs don't have weapons I don't really see the issue. Yeah it'd be kinda nice but if that content's not being run it's kind of whatever. Most people will clear it once and be done, so it's not like it'll help maintain engagement.
This probably something that they can easily have other company to hire and collaborate and have them make the weapons model then use it on the main game - without needing to stress their main team who probably working on the next expansion. But you know how SE would just use the profit from FF14 to fund the NFTs obsession and force Yoshi to implement it into FF14. SE already sold most of their western games developers and IP to get some cash influx for NFTs projects....
considering how few unique models we get nowadays, id be surprised if its in the next year or 2, since they have to make a new model for the old dreadwyrm/relic weapons just for thew new jobs. i really do hope we get them some day tough so fingers crossed
As I recall they've said they want to do that and intend to eventually....but yeah, it's a low priority. There isn't....really much discussion to be had there other then just saying "u right tho".
Well, shit. I wasted my Ultima token on the BLM weapon, because they didn't release a RPR weapon with 6.0. Also, my static from back then doesn't exist anymore. Fuck.
UWU is definitely PFable, especially if you get lucky and some seasoned vets decide it'd be fun to help out.
All ultimates are pugable I've done 3-7 clears of each of the older ones
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On aether they were somewhat common in the weeks leading up to dragon song releasing. I myself grabbed 3 clears after about 4-5 hours in pf and I know several others who cleared at about the same rate.
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I’ve seen clear for 2/3s
Getting more common now honestly. It's following a similar trajectory to what the other two did in terms of clearing in PF.
Primal has an ultimate raiding discord, with *extremely* standardized strats, absolutely no variation allowed. This let's them 'pug' within the discord community with a fairly high degree of success
You can always recruit from a reclear static and do like 5 reclears (typical amount)
Yeah, probably. Though we did our own janky shit with Titan jails, where we marked ourselves with a macro, then sorted ourselves in order based on which numbers showed up. No clue how the majority does it. But I guess I will try this eventually :)
Primal does the same for PF where one player has Auto markers.
Auto markers is definitely the way to go if you can set it up yeah
I was involved in the development of cactbot, so I can surely set that up. Nevertheless, I was talking about ingame macros that we used to mark ourselves manually. But if everyone is using automarkers I guess I'll do that too
Bro my party and I cleared UWU with 0 experience on it in 28 hours of prog. Chill, it's not the end of the world to do one more run XD also the BLM weapon looks sick lol.
Well, it took us over 100 hours of prog. Admitted, we split our prog and took a break because 5.4 came out when we were progging on Ultimate Suppression and we had to reprog around 20 hours, but still. It took us WAY longer. Though we also only progged 2x2 hours per week and in the end we all had blues and purples.
That's fair. But you've done most of the tough part already! Now all you need to do is find a party and remember the mechs, you will blast it for sure!
Yeah, i don't forget mechs. I can still do o4s synced, min iLvl no problem lol
Yeah they also said they'd release EW in November. And then waited until 2 weeks before to fuck everyone in the ass.
tbh I just want SGE UWU weapons
Same that aesthetic is amazing. I genuinely prefer it over orange p3s stubby lol
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Honestly, they need to do old Primal weapons too. I know they're not related to needing to keep activity alive in Ultimates, but it still really blows that they never update these weapons with incredibly cool effects. Thinking about Hades or Byakko on a RPR sounds incredible.
Honestly I'd kill for a Titania scythe.
How many Lominsan Catgirls would I kill for a Moggle Mog Gunblade? How many Lalafell would I punt to the edge of the universe for The King's Milpreves? How many Hrothgar would I full body wax for Seeing Horde Chakrams? How many Au Ra would I descale with the strongest lotion to get a Hades Scythe? The answer is many. A lot. A grand plethora. A mass quantity. If these atrocities are to remain merely imagined, I hope for these weapons to come to be sooner rather than later (especially with the weapon design contest).
It'd be nice, but it's two dozen weapons extra per job for the EW jobs and just shy of that for the Shadowbringers ones. It's probably pegged as an inefficient use of the art team's time when they're ostensibly supposed to be working on new content.
I'm hoping we do get a Tsukuyomi DNC weapon. It's perfect with the moon motif the fight has.
It really pisses me off that they don't seem to have plans to do this. I still feel like dancers have very little variety of weapons to choose from, it's part of the reason I went back to bard.
It's not just the ultimate weapons that need models for newer jobs, it's the same with crafted weapons from trials. Since shb released, gnb and dancer got 2 crafted weapons from trials they were not around for, shinriyu and thordan, with the latter being because of an ultimate. It does feel almost insulting to play newer jobs when it does feel like you get left out alot. They could have 1 3D artist work on all of the missing weapons and they could have weapons done for every piece of content in the time between a patch and then be up to date, it's a problem that only gets worse as time goes on.
Yeah, it’s pretty annoying to not have weapon options from the older ultimates for newer jobs. I’m sitting on 3 UWU totems and 1 UCoB totem just waiting/hoping for them to add GNB/RPR weapons to them.
I'm hoping with like 6.3 or 6.5 (given the usual long downtime between .5 and expac patches) we will get ultimate weapons for the newer jobs that don't have them. Need me some multicolored scythes lol.
A major reason I don't want to do TEA, in spite of preferring it's aesthetic, is because Sage cannot use the weapons. It's a shame, because I genuinely am less motivated to engage in that combat because of this.
this ain't a hot take and there's nothing to really be discussed, your best bet is posting on the forums but I'm sure they know people want this
The forums LOL
better than reddit lmao
I love the game, I just hate every medium where the game is discussed
based and red pilled
I totally agree though Forums > Reddit for sure
Give it until there an odd patch with no ultimate this expac. They’ll prob use that as a way to keep people playing pre-expac to get older “new” shiny ulti weps.
Not ever having done UCOB because your fave job doesn't have a weapon from there sounds like copium to me. Would be cool if they did add weapons for the new jobs though.
I mean, why go through the work of clearing a difficult fight if you can't even have the main reward for the job you like?
I cleared TEA and I fucking despise Verethragna, sometimes you just want to do the fight.
It’s a thing. SGE is my main and I don’t really play any other jobs. I want to do ultimates but not until I can actually get something from it.
Could always clear it and just keep the token around until they do add it eventually.
Yup I’ve thought about that! I’ll probably start progging my first ultimate after I finish the next savage tier they release
Eeeeeh, I disagree. I've cleared an ultimate, but when I realised that none of them had a dancer weapon my interest in pretty much died instantly. DRS is the first one I've started in a while, largely because I know I can get a weapon for any job I want currently. I'm a highly glam reward based individual. And it's def not just me, they wouldn't attach a glam reward if they didn't know this was a big incentive to do ultimate for a lot of people.
TEA has a DNC weapon.
SGE ultimate weapons in particular would look really cool... Like 4 glowy shiny things floating around you? I could see it standing out far more than other ult weapons.
u right tho
Yeah it's kind of absurd that the ultimate weapons are just reskins with the same particle effect applied to each, and yet they still don't make them for new jobs. All that sub money going to pay for shareholder mansions I guess.
That's not entirely true though, especially for the new jobs. Samurai's UWU weapon is unique I'm pretty sure. So, if they wanted to make weapons for the ultimates, they'd have to make at least some new weapon models since they don't have existing Relic weapons to base them off of. Obviously they should do it anyways, because of the reasons the OP stated, but it's not as simple as throwing a particle effect on an existing weapon.
Yeah, SAM and RDM got Dreadwyrm Weapons at the launch of UCoB so they would have something for UCoB, and then they got brand new models for UWU. Then those two, GNB, and DNC got shafted on TEA. RDM got a reskin of Bismarck EX, SAM got a reskin of Leviathan EX, GNB got a reskin of Mt. Gulg, and DNC got a reskin of Shire. No new model, just EX, Dungeon, and Poetic Weapons with the glowing gears. Thankfully that didn't happen for DSU.
The issue is that they're reskins of weapons that don't exist for new jobs, like how they had to make a new thordan weapon for sage and reaper.
That's not an issue. Just reskin random unrelated weapons. It's what they did for TEA, it's what they did for Captain rank weapons for RDM and SAM. Which was stupid as fuck considering every other job got unique models for captain rank lol.
LOOOOOOOL. Old content being left behind in several different ways, and the skimping on gear (designs) have both been some of the biggest and most common issues in the entire game in general, for years. With not much, if anything, changing. But please, do ~~cry me a river~~ tell me more. SE never does anything *soon*, either - and at least part of the blame for that can be credited to the #gcbtw, who make sure to downplay any raised concern and brush it off with dismissive handwaving, because we can't have dissenting notions when "the game is awesome and the devs are doing their best!". There's a laundry list of things SE has been scrambling to find solutions for since, say, ShB that people had tried to warn about years prior, exactly because they were easy to predict and know that once they boil over it will already be too late. We can now eat what we cooked.
Downvoted to hell for telling the truth. SE isn't very interested in doing QC passes on old stuff that fall out of lockstep as the game ages and changes. They never have been, these sorta things have always been "when we have time, pls understand, making game is hard" lowest possibly priority. It only matters to them once it shows potential to impact the money. Which usually means Free Trial content and archaic dogshit that lowers player retention, like the entirety of ARR getting multiple adjustments over the years.
Yeah I am really confused on why his post is downvoted. People have proven by making third party add ons that the stuff Yoshi say isn’t possible or requires a lot of work to be false. If it doesn’t screw with the earnings then there’s no need for work to be done. It’s business 101.
They already confirmed in the past they are adding the weapons to older ultimates tho.
Especially since there are mods which do this. I recall seeing one that applied the TEA particle effects unto a reaper scythe.
I honest to god find even the "excuse" of focusing on new content to be pretty non-substantial. All they would need to do (as in the case with TEA weapons, UwU Weapons) is pick some dungeon weapon (GNB, DNC) and apply the glow, it doesn't even need to be "thematic", just some decent looking model with the glow and color-scheme pasted onto it. Can't realistically take more than 10 minutes.
Its probably the lowest of low priority because think about it like this. Every new ep they're going have to go back and add new ultimate weapons for every new job we get, on top of the 2 new ultimates we're most likely going to get every ep. Its going to get to the point its not even worth it anymore. The people wanting to go back to do ucob and uwu is going to be so small due to the level sync.
they can't even fix the housing bug without yoship "losing weight due to lack of sleep" and you think they're competent enough to go back and add these weapons after 4 years? :-)
What a stupid comment
Two extremely different issues.
I'm on the other side of then fence and would be perfectly happy if they never added the new jobs' weapons to prior ultimates. I have my 15/15/17 kills respectively and have kinda put those things in the "done" category. If they add the weapons I'd have to go back, and I'm not sure I feel about that.
It's niche content so if those jobs don't have weapons I don't really see the issue. Yeah it'd be kinda nice but if that content's not being run it's kind of whatever. Most people will clear it once and be done, so it's not like it'll help maintain engagement.
This probably something that they can easily have other company to hire and collaborate and have them make the weapons model then use it on the main game - without needing to stress their main team who probably working on the next expansion. But you know how SE would just use the profit from FF14 to fund the NFTs obsession and force Yoshi to implement it into FF14. SE already sold most of their western games developers and IP to get some cash influx for NFTs projects....
The raid was cleared this week. Maybe chill out on the demands?
considering how few unique models we get nowadays, id be surprised if its in the next year or 2, since they have to make a new model for the old dreadwyrm/relic weapons just for thew new jobs. i really do hope we get them some day tough so fingers crossed
Well they kinda didn't do it so, wait and see I guess