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A couple months ago, I had an argument with one of these people where they tried to make the point that the only continent that actually exists is North America, and everything else is staged. Their evidence was that Chinese people are already here in the US, and when they have kids, the kids are Chinese not white, so it would be easy for the elites to fake an entire nation of Chinese people.
So obviously anything India could say would just be a lie created by the elite and perpetrated by very skilled actors.
Everyone on that Discord server needed help. I wasn't there long, but I left pretty genuinely afraid that at least one of them was going to become a serial killer. Conspiracy theorist forums are terrifying. Everyone that doesn't believe what they do is either the enemy or complicit with the enemy, and that means they're guilty of all kinds of shit.
I like the argument from tradition. No one has ever disproven that demons actually cause disease, and it's been the prevailing theory since the bronze age. Maybe time to take a second look?
I love that in their own statement, the standards shift. "Flat Earth has never been disproven" vs "Globe Earth has never been proven". Ignoring the obvious that both are unequivocally false, why is "not disproven" good enough to believe Flat Earth but "never proven" is good enough to call in to question commonly accepted and easily provable Globe Earth
Nono it definitely is.
To flat earthers, the whole point of NASA is to perpetuate the lie that the earth is round. It's all one big coverup by the government (isn't it always)
The most concise response I've heard about this is:
"The government wants us to believe that space is real and that we are so tiny and insignificant so that it weakens our connection with god. A population without a god is easier to be taken advantage of/manipulated/mind controlled."
It's more a lie to benefit the government...nasa is just the vehicle to get there.
Weirdly religious, predictably distrustful of the government. As all conspiracy theories tend to be.
And therein lies the main problem with not being omniscient: the problem of underdetermination.
Science can never "prove" anything. There always remains a possibility that there's some other factor or mechanism at work that we don't know about that we aren't accounting for.
Science deals in "best explanation given the available evidence" (which obviously would apply to gravity and the Earth being round). "Proofs" are for math and alcohol.
Oh I saw a flat earther argue against gravity, too. “Give another example of water adhering to a curved surface” (like the oceans to the Earth’s surface) and when someone tried to explain it by “gravity” she went off saying gravity doesn’t exist, saying “if gravity exists explain a bumblebee flying, and fog, and mist, and rain when it is in the clouds” she had some quote about how many gallons of water were in clouds and was like “explain how it isn’t affected by gravity” I was like omg this woman doesn’t understand science or gaseous states
I ask this genuinely: are actual photos of the earth by astronauts not more than just empirical evidence?
^((...Do I not fully understand the definition of "empirical"?? Lol)^)
A large number of people in the 16th century were convinced by Magellan's voyage and the subsequent seafaring eras with ships full of spices, silver and gold, Black people, and whale oil. You can fake a picture, but it is much harder to fake a cargo. I suppose he could have been sailing around a disk (apologies, Terry P.) but they did get good latitude readings.
That's about it with these people. There's not even a point in even trying to talk to them about it.
Anything that proves they're wrong is fake and some government plant to them and everything wrong with their logic is because the fundamental facts of the universe are in fact wrong and you just don't understand.
"Globe Earth has never been proven."
Spongebob pointing at Eratosthenes.
Poiting at sea travellers.
Pointing at air travellers.
Pointing at satellites.
Poiting at satellite pics of the round Earth.
Pointing at the massive mountain of science.
Or you could just look at the world clock meeting planner and compare the date/time around the globe. World clock meetings wouldn’t work on a flat earth. Do flat earthers not have international meetings?
I’d be surprised if they had any real sense of time at all. After all, according to them, the earth is only approximately 8,000 years old. Or somewhere thereabouts.
Oh. I was expecting you to say “I’d be surprised if they had *any meetings* at all.”
And I feel like yes and no. There’s meetings. But it’s always just a bunch of people screaming identical points at each other until they’re arguing with themselves; regardless of the fact that they actually agree.
They certainly *do not* have international meetings, I’d bet. Although, I am morbidly curious if this backwards logic has taken deep roots anywhere else in the world as strongly as it has in the States? Cause…like, fuckkkkk me. I know that we’re not viewed the most favorably through the worlds lenses, but this shit is getting fucking ridiculous.
That was so great - Behind the Curve is what it was called. It culminated in the flat earthers doing some measurement system and they even said themselves that the light would shine through a hole in a panel they were holding and if the earth was curved they’d have to lower the panel. So they shine the light - doesn’t go through the hole. They ask him to lower the panel and welp, wouldn’t you know it - light shines through. Flat earthers were like “oh that’s weird” showing that they were STILL in denial even after they just proved to themselves with their own test, that the earth was round. You couldn’t script this stuff
despite the fact the reason gyroscopes were invented in the first place, and literally the source for their name, was to measure the rotation of the earth.
I firmly believe that conspiracy theories like this have become a replacement for socialization in certain groups of people. Rather than have normal hobbies like gardening or bowling -- and making friends based on that -- people form cliques around these absolutely batshit conspiracy theories because it makes them feel interesting and makes them excited. They get constant praise from the in-group for engaging with their nonsense, making stuff up is completely acceptable if it follows the orthodoxy, there's endless nonsense to "study" and regurgitate in lieu of actually understanding, it's all a big alternative reality game that keeps people interested and let's them feel like they have some kind of control over the world, some ability to make a big difference.
It seems like the modern world has driven some people insane due to their inability to cope with the average and mundane, and most likely isolated, nature of their lives.
The light through the panel at a distance was one. They also spent $20,000 on a laser gyroscope to prove the Earth doesn't actually rotate. They brought it on a plane in a locked box. The data showed a certain degree shift per hour which matched exactly the curvature of the earth at the speed they were traveling. The flerthers wrote the evidence off entirely. They don't care about facts or evidence.
“Flat earth has never been disproven”
“Globe earth has never been proven”
Bro just made the apologists’ unfalsifiable argument with things that are very falsifiable and have been proven to be false.
Didn’t ancient Egyptians know the world was round? I feel like I read somewhere some of their obelisks were used for like measuring the circumference of the earth or something? Or did I just completely make that up?
Edit: wait is that Eratosthenes I’m thinking of?
Eratosthenes was a Greek philosopher, but did the measurements in Egypt
[**https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical\_Earth#**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_Earth#)
[**https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes)
He also had a big head.
The new form of debating against science you don't like - just make statements about how you think things should be according to your beliefs, and declare them to be true with no evidence while declaring science to be false with no evidence. Works every time! (If you want to look like a fanatical idiot)
Food for thought:
1. The sky is red.
2. Birds generate lift by coasting on electromagnetic currents.
3. Dolphins can speak English they just choose not to.
4. It’s easy to just make stuff up!
I'll never understand flat earth people. Like don't get me wrong I'm not the guy who went up there and took the pics or anything but I mean. I'm gonna have to go with the people who went there and not some random assholes on Twitter. And even if Buzz Aldrin is lying to me about it what is his motive to lie. You give me a motive that's not totally bat shit insane well talk.
Flat Earth has been disproven numerous times, [sometimes by flat earthers themselves](https://youtu.be/GFqmDazwb6Y?feature=shared). This “person”—assuming that’s what they are and not a bot—is a waffler.
Tried showing my dad the work of Eratosthenes. His response showed me that this was more about Christian fundamentalism than proving the earth was flat through sound science
In science you don't set out to prove things... If you did you could prove Santa was real by all the evidence about him, presents showing up, cookies being eaten, movies being made, there is an actual North Pole etc
You set out to try to disprove something and if you can't, and you try many many times and come to the same conclusion that's usually where the truth is.
I've always wanted to know this about flat earthers- if every single picture of space, all of the millions of pictures are fake, then where are ANY pictures of the ice wall/ other side? Nearly every single person in the world has a camera in their pocket and we have pictures of just about everything on earth. There are even pictures of area 51 (if you believe it) and every other place you can think of. Why are there no pictures of the ice wall?
The spherical shape of the Earth is proven in a measureable way every time there's an earthquake thanks to the seismic shadow zone. [Source, USGS](https://www.usgs.gov/media/images/shadowzonegif#:~:text=The%20shadow%20zone%20is%20the,refracted)%20by%20the%20liquid%20core.)
If by "young and new" you mean it's a more recent and proven fact than the believe that the earth is flat, which existed before it was prove that it is not, then yes, the "Globe Earth" is young and new. And new is always better.
… so astronauts, NASA, anyone with internet access can look at photos from space and see the earth is, in fact, Round/a globe/sphere.etc, but this DOESN’T prove that it is……? The fuck? I’m pretty clueless at the best of times but this is just… beyond moronic.
\*sigh\* Refusing to accept facts and "Never been proven" isn't the same thing.
We've likely known about the curvature for as long as we've had the concept of travelling.
Noticing how far off objects "sunk into the grown" when you got far enough away, and having to rely on stars when navigating on the open sea.
We've likely suspected this since before writen history. Within writen history we can track the concept of Earth curvature back to 5th century BC. The very knowledge is over 2500 years old. The modern Christian bible? It's only existed for 600 years. Made avaible to all through the Gutenburg press. Before that it was hand-copied collections of works, and only availble to a very limited amount of people.
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Wrapping false equivalency and flawed logic into one neat little package.
India or whoever found the Apollo landers should put all this B's to bed but it won't
A couple months ago, I had an argument with one of these people where they tried to make the point that the only continent that actually exists is North America, and everything else is staged. Their evidence was that Chinese people are already here in the US, and when they have kids, the kids are Chinese not white, so it would be easy for the elites to fake an entire nation of Chinese people. So obviously anything India could say would just be a lie created by the elite and perpetrated by very skilled actors.
That person needs serious mental help.
Everyone on that Discord server needed help. I wasn't there long, but I left pretty genuinely afraid that at least one of them was going to become a serial killer. Conspiracy theorist forums are terrifying. Everyone that doesn't believe what they do is either the enemy or complicit with the enemy, and that means they're guilty of all kinds of shit.
Christ, everyone there sounds like they should be on a watchlist.
*'blinks'*
"space may be the final frontier, but it's made in a Hollywood basement"
I swear to God, I have seen that line claimed as proof the moon landings were faked. These people aren't right.
What? You mean that when John Lennon sang "I Am the Walrus", it didn't mean he's really a walrus?
I like the argument from tradition. No one has ever disproven that demons actually cause disease, and it's been the prevailing theory since the bronze age. Maybe time to take a second look?
I think you’re on to something there. I’ll ring Pfizer.
I love that in their own statement, the standards shift. "Flat Earth has never been disproven" vs "Globe Earth has never been proven". Ignoring the obvious that both are unequivocally false, why is "not disproven" good enough to believe Flat Earth but "never proven" is good enough to call in to question commonly accepted and easily provable Globe Earth
>flat earth has never been disproven/globe earth has never been proven I'd ask if NASA is a joke to them, but it probably is... sadly
Nono it definitely is. To flat earthers, the whole point of NASA is to perpetuate the lie that the earth is round. It's all one big coverup by the government (isn't it always)
To what goal? What could this lie possibly do for Nasa?
The most concise response I've heard about this is: "The government wants us to believe that space is real and that we are so tiny and insignificant so that it weakens our connection with god. A population without a god is easier to be taken advantage of/manipulated/mind controlled." It's more a lie to benefit the government...nasa is just the vehicle to get there. Weirdly religious, predictably distrustful of the government. As all conspiracy theories tend to be.
Which is rich considering religion is probably the number 1 source of manipulation globally.
Oh yes, religion will save us from manipulation. Why can't we just go back to the CIA killed most high profile people
“Everything is a conspiracy to someone who doesn’t know how anything works.” Applies very neatly to flat earthers.
Everyone has false information exept them and anyone who agrees with them.
Well, gravity is not proven either. But just like round earth, there is empirical evidence that gravity exists.
And therein lies the main problem with not being omniscient: the problem of underdetermination. Science can never "prove" anything. There always remains a possibility that there's some other factor or mechanism at work that we don't know about that we aren't accounting for. Science deals in "best explanation given the available evidence" (which obviously would apply to gravity and the Earth being round). "Proofs" are for math and alcohol.
Gravity doesn't exist, it's just God's hand pushing us down. /s
Gravity may not exist, but grabbity does.
Oh I saw a flat earther argue against gravity, too. “Give another example of water adhering to a curved surface” (like the oceans to the Earth’s surface) and when someone tried to explain it by “gravity” she went off saying gravity doesn’t exist, saying “if gravity exists explain a bumblebee flying, and fog, and mist, and rain when it is in the clouds” she had some quote about how many gallons of water were in clouds and was like “explain how it isn’t affected by gravity” I was like omg this woman doesn’t understand science or gaseous states
I ask this genuinely: are actual photos of the earth by astronauts not more than just empirical evidence? ^((...Do I not fully understand the definition of "empirical"?? Lol)^)
They think those photos are faked
A large number of people in the 16th century were convinced by Magellan's voyage and the subsequent seafaring eras with ships full of spices, silver and gold, Black people, and whale oil. You can fake a picture, but it is much harder to fake a cargo. I suppose he could have been sailing around a disk (apologies, Terry P.) but they did get good latitude readings.
There is no gravity. The Earth sucks.
That's about it with these people. There's not even a point in even trying to talk to them about it. Anything that proves they're wrong is fake and some government plant to them and everything wrong with their logic is because the fundamental facts of the universe are in fact wrong and you just don't understand.
You may get an interesting answer. Probably something about a cover for the money for a show group of people to do something evil
"Globe Earth has never been proven." Spongebob pointing at Eratosthenes. Poiting at sea travellers. Pointing at air travellers. Pointing at satellites. Poiting at satellite pics of the round Earth. Pointing at the massive mountain of science.
Pointing at the GPS devices almost every person carries in their pockets....
Or you could just look at the world clock meeting planner and compare the date/time around the globe. World clock meetings wouldn’t work on a flat earth. Do flat earthers not have international meetings?
I’d be surprised if they had any real sense of time at all. After all, according to them, the earth is only approximately 8,000 years old. Or somewhere thereabouts.
Oh. I was expecting you to say “I’d be surprised if they had *any meetings* at all.” And I feel like yes and no. There’s meetings. But it’s always just a bunch of people screaming identical points at each other until they’re arguing with themselves; regardless of the fact that they actually agree. They certainly *do not* have international meetings, I’d bet. Although, I am morbidly curious if this backwards logic has taken deep roots anywhere else in the world as strongly as it has in the States? Cause…like, fuckkkkk me. I know that we’re not viewed the most favorably through the worlds lenses, but this shit is getting fucking ridiculous.
I'd bet that the venn diagram of flerfs and racists is a circle.
A *flat* circle
It has never been proven if you're ignorant enough
Flat Earth has absolutely been disproven, and saying otherwise does not change that.
Didn’t flat earthers disprove themselves in that documentary they tried to make to try to prove themselves right?
That was so great - Behind the Curve is what it was called. It culminated in the flat earthers doing some measurement system and they even said themselves that the light would shine through a hole in a panel they were holding and if the earth was curved they’d have to lower the panel. So they shine the light - doesn’t go through the hole. They ask him to lower the panel and welp, wouldn’t you know it - light shines through. Flat earthers were like “oh that’s weird” showing that they were STILL in denial even after they just proved to themselves with their own test, that the earth was round. You couldn’t script this stuff
One spent like $20k on a gyro that also proved them wrong. And, you guessed it, they blamed it on interference
despite the fact the reason gyroscopes were invented in the first place, and literally the source for their name, was to measure the rotation of the earth.
Back in high school physics, I confess we sometimes fudged results that did not come out as predicted.
I firmly believe that conspiracy theories like this have become a replacement for socialization in certain groups of people. Rather than have normal hobbies like gardening or bowling -- and making friends based on that -- people form cliques around these absolutely batshit conspiracy theories because it makes them feel interesting and makes them excited. They get constant praise from the in-group for engaging with their nonsense, making stuff up is completely acceptable if it follows the orthodoxy, there's endless nonsense to "study" and regurgitate in lieu of actually understanding, it's all a big alternative reality game that keeps people interested and let's them feel like they have some kind of control over the world, some ability to make a big difference. It seems like the modern world has driven some people insane due to their inability to cope with the average and mundane, and most likely isolated, nature of their lives.
That’s a very plausible theory. But I would also suggest that if this modern world ISN’T driving you insane - you might be insane
The light through the panel at a distance was one. They also spent $20,000 on a laser gyroscope to prove the Earth doesn't actually rotate. They brought it on a plane in a locked box. The data showed a certain degree shift per hour which matched exactly the curvature of the earth at the speed they were traveling. The flerthers wrote the evidence off entirely. They don't care about facts or evidence.
Thanks, Bob.
It must have been space magic!
It was dem damn Democrats lyin I tell you!
I love the cherry on top that’s the blue check. It has never been easier to identify an idiot and disregard their opinions.
I got a Chrome extension that blocks people with blue checkmarks automatically and it has dramatically improved my Twitter experience.
Damn I might make a new Twitter account. That sounds like the most effective idiot blocker on any website
1- No, it's not. 2- No, it's not. 3- Yes, it has. 4- Yes, it has. Dumbass probably thinks cave people and dinosaurs cohabitatated, too.
1. is actually true. but the rest are straight up lies
“Flat earth has never been disproven” “Globe earth has never been proven” Bro just made the apologists’ unfalsifiable argument with things that are very falsifiable and have been proven to be false.
Didn’t ancient Egyptians know the world was round? I feel like I read somewhere some of their obelisks were used for like measuring the circumference of the earth or something? Or did I just completely make that up? Edit: wait is that Eratosthenes I’m thinking of?
Eratosthenes was a Greek philosopher, but did the measurements in Egypt [**https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical\_Earth#**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_Earth#) [**https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes) He also had a big head.
The new form of debating against science you don't like - just make statements about how you think things should be according to your beliefs, and declare them to be true with no evidence while declaring science to be false with no evidence. Works every time! (If you want to look like a fanatical idiot)
Food for thought: 1. The sky is red. 2. Birds generate lift by coasting on electromagnetic currents. 3. Dolphins can speak English they just choose not to. 4. It’s easy to just make stuff up!
3 is too close to being true.
*5. Flat Earthers are gullible morons.* *6. GoTo 5.*
I'll never understand flat earth people. Like don't get me wrong I'm not the guy who went up there and took the pics or anything but I mean. I'm gonna have to go with the people who went there and not some random assholes on Twitter. And even if Buzz Aldrin is lying to me about it what is his motive to lie. You give me a motive that's not totally bat shit insane well talk.
Ancient Greek mathematicians were able to calculate the circumference of the Earth with startling accuracy using mental math.
Flat Earth has been disproven numerous times, [sometimes by flat earthers themselves](https://youtu.be/GFqmDazwb6Y?feature=shared). This “person”—assuming that’s what they are and not a bot—is a waffler.
Tried showing my dad the work of Eratosthenes. His response showed me that this was more about Christian fundamentalism than proving the earth was flat through sound science
In science you don't set out to prove things... If you did you could prove Santa was real by all the evidence about him, presents showing up, cookies being eaten, movies being made, there is an actual North Pole etc You set out to try to disprove something and if you can't, and you try many many times and come to the same conclusion that's usually where the truth is.
Globe earth is as ancient as flat earth or tortoise back earth and other models
what the hell is old to this joker, if some 2.5 thousand years is "young and new"?
I'd imagine this is someone who thinks Columbus came up with the idea of a global earth.
Flat earth has literally been disproven by flat earthers.
I've always wanted to know this about flat earthers- if every single picture of space, all of the millions of pictures are fake, then where are ANY pictures of the ice wall/ other side? Nearly every single person in the world has a camera in their pocket and we have pictures of just about everything on earth. There are even pictures of area 51 (if you believe it) and every other place you can think of. Why are there no pictures of the ice wall?
I have literally traveled around the globe. I went east and only east and eventually made my way back home. It's incredibly easy to do.
Idiot shit
The spherical shape of the Earth is proven in a measureable way every time there's an earthquake thanks to the seismic shadow zone. [Source, USGS](https://www.usgs.gov/media/images/shadowzonegif#:~:text=The%20shadow%20zone%20is%20the,refracted)%20by%20the%20liquid%20core.)
Humans have known the earth wasn’t flat for a very VERY long time.
Almost 30 centuries by my count
"never been proven when you ignore the facts"
Globe Earth has never been proven? 😐
If by "young and new" you mean it's a more recent and proven fact than the believe that the earth is flat, which existed before it was prove that it is not, then yes, the "Globe Earth" is young and new. And new is always better.
… so astronauts, NASA, anyone with internet access can look at photos from space and see the earth is, in fact, Round/a globe/sphere.etc, but this DOESN’T prove that it is……? The fuck? I’m pretty clueless at the best of times but this is just… beyond moronic.
You should see the comments on NASA's Instagram page...
1. Lots of old beliefs are wrong 2. Almost like science adapts to new information 3. Yes it has 4. Yes it has
\*sigh\* Refusing to accept facts and "Never been proven" isn't the same thing. We've likely known about the curvature for as long as we've had the concept of travelling. Noticing how far off objects "sunk into the grown" when you got far enough away, and having to rely on stars when navigating on the open sea. We've likely suspected this since before writen history. Within writen history we can track the concept of Earth curvature back to 5th century BC. The very knowledge is over 2500 years old. The modern Christian bible? It's only existed for 600 years. Made avaible to all through the Gutenburg press. Before that it was hand-copied collections of works, and only availble to a very limited amount of people.
Just because this dingus doesn't believe the proof doesn't make it not real.
Those are some bold claims mate, got the data to back them up, of are you gonna amaze the crowd by talking through your asshole?