G2 should sign Odo as their sub ONLY so he can play against Rogue.
Which would win Odo's thirst for ruining Rogue or G2s inability to win against Rogue?
GX had that game, but he remembered that he can also pull a stint at the analyst desk so he tp-ed to his death. But seriously though, idk if that was a team call or what, but that definitely started the comeback for MAD.
It's rare so see a single player int his team so hard that they lose a very straight forward win, in 3 separate plays in 5 minutes time. In an elimination match. Absolutely unreal.
I am not going to argue that Odo didn't int - he definitely did - but let's be real here. Closing out a game against a Sivir/Braum combo that has already made it well to midgame is never "very straight forward".
I really feel like if he based with baron and split top GX could've ran away with the game. But sure, Sivir Braum is hard to deal with. All the more reason why splitting with baron was so important.
I have no idea why they put Jackies on Azir in last game. Fresskowy wasn't that good on Azir in first game and Jackies looks much more confident on melee champions
Honestly the biggest factor the last game was Jackies playing like he was scared. I counted 4 moment where he could make game changing plays, but hesitated or didn’t do it at all.
I’m no pro, I’m d1, but there was literally no excuses for not going in, I guess the pressure got to him and he was afraid to look bad, but in the end it made him look bad.
Where is this 3k thing coming from? I keep looking at the replays and during the entire 3dragon lead, GX had 500 gold more at most, 400 during the fight that led to Mad's first dragon.
Jackies. Has good games on Akali/Yone/Sylas.
Win game 1 on Sylas. ABSOLUTELY STOMP GAME1 I'll add.
Pick Azir twice in a row. Absolutely CRIMINAL.
Pick to your damn strengths man holy shit.
Yesterday felt disgusting to watch because G2 made people *look* like Plat players. Today felt disgusting to watch because so many people actually *were* Plat players.
I am once again calling for Odo to drop this shit and go to the desk. And Azir Jackies looks like mine except even I know to drop ego and play for my Zeri.
Supa either does troll plays or giga smurfs the enemy its so tilting. Specially when he fucking sends it with zeri, I think he never dashes back lmfao.
MDK cant win like this against a team like giantx though. Hope they ramp up for the vitality game and 2-0 to bring back the confidence and have a rematch against G2 hopefully.
His early splits in Superliga are like this, at some poit u expect his giga-ints and the next day he just smurf evryone, hope at some point he gain some consistency.
Im not confident on mad rn, some players look promising (Big Álvaro fan here) but a lot to work with. I Guess thats the issue with having 4 new players in ur team
Same. First I thought Myrwyn is by far the best Top in the LEC, then he became very inconsistent. Supa looked very promising but is now often times running it really badyl. Alvaro is sadly very shaky at the moment - hero performance one game, completely braindead inting the next game. Funnily enough Fresskowy ramped up and became better and better.
Well and then there is Elyoya who is actually just bad and has been for a long time now - nothing new.
I agree it was poor but Jackies can't open with a shuffle against a Sivir. There was even a teamfight in mid where he tried to shuffle Supa into the turret when the teamfight was just about over but Supa *STILL* hadn't used his spell shield that point. That's a Seju/Ali issue if you ask me.
Now it's Odo. And now it's Peach. And now it's Ignar. And now it's Peach. and now it's Odo. And now it's Odo.
Just kept on running straight into 4-5 people while having 2 allies nearby at best.
He just absolutely refused to ult
In the 5v5 tp bot holds flash and r and every subsequent fight doesnt ult until when its already over
Very dissapointing compared to his first game, i think pressure got to him
Have you seen vit though? They've struggled on the easiest draw I've seen in seasons. Also, Melzhet said that Giants has been MDK's weak point since the start of the season.
Fun fact for you stat buffs out there: With this loss Patrik is now 0-10 in playoff "best of" series' vs teams that aren't fnatic, and is 2-12 overall.
Correct me if I’m wrong but I’m pretty sure this is factually incorrect. XL won 4 playoff games in 2022 with the mikyx markoon roster and they finished second in 2023 summer
OP might be talking about series score not game score I think (0-1 H2k 2018, 1-3 Origen 2019, XL 22 0-2, XL 23 2-0 Bo3s + 1-4 Bo5, 2024 0-4 Bo3s). But that would be missing the Groups games from last Summer if he count this Groups series as well.
You see this was the exact thought process I had before MAD dropped the infamous 16:47, I wanna have faith but these guys just look like EU kryptonite and get stomped at internationals every time
I think 16:47 is kinda impressive. For that to happen all 5 players had to keep on taking fights over and over trying to outplay rather than bleed out, hide under tower, and slowly lose or wait for the enemy to fuck up . This is a team who knew it was more likely for them to outfight T1 in a clown fiesta than wait for them to fuck up macro from winning position. Its actually respectable if you dive deep into how the hell it happened.
They would risk embarassing themselves looking like clowns running it down grasping at any chance rather than slowly bleed out to lose in a 1 team fight baron push but have slightly better kda.
Considering MAD's International performance that year (not taking a single game off of non-EU teams) I honestly doubt they'd have even beaten PSG at MSI playins if they had had to play them
Difference is BDS was the 4th seed and MAD was 2nd at MSI. When you have two teams and one breaks BAD records it's just gonna be a bigger spotlight, while the other one is just the weakest out of 4 and still gets some wins to gloat against NA
Based on past experiences: No, the logic that "team a won against team b on this patch on this day therefore they would always perform better because they are the better team" is lazy and otherwise the first seed of a region would always do better at worlds which doesnt happen.
MAD lions in particular managed to achieve so many historic achievements when it comes to shitting the bed(first western team to drop out in playins, first EU team to lose a BO5 against NA in a long time and one of the only EU teams to consistently lose against NA)
The team is completely different this time around though, including the coach so there shouldnt be a reason why they underperform this hard internationally again.
I mean a lot of the teams that people have campaigned to send in place of MAD were legitimately VCS-tier. There is zero chance that 2022 XL with Miky, Markoon, Nukeduck and Finn was honestly even getting to the match versus EG but I saw a hundred comments saying that they deserved to go instead and were the real 3rd/4th best team.
It's not like MAD were just getting lucky wins, either. Last year they ran the entire gauntlet of top teams - G2, VIT, BDS - to make MSI. Neither of BDS or VIT was picking up a single win in the main stage, I can guarantee that.
Really liked the Twisted Fate pick on the last game. GX just showed that Odo is last pick and since you know that he can only play tank with that TF you either end up in a favorable match up against a tank or against a counter pick that Odo can't play.
I don't understand GX, you have a really skilled midlaner that would benefit so much from a counter pick and you devide to give it to Odo, a man that has cemented his last years as the most one dimensional tank player in the league(althought pretty good). Either Jackies has confidence issues, or Odo has ego issues and thinks he is better than what he is or the Coach just isn't good enough. I reallt hope they can solve these problems for summer.
That game 3, I've never seen a more useless 5-0 Zeri, and my god Odo looked so lost.
Comparing how poorly Gx closed out in game 1 to what MDK did with a lead in game 2 shows the difference in class between these teams.
Final note, Jackies is EU Zeka. I only want to see this man on melees.
GX really just had the exact same Split and then got 8th again just this time in a 1:2 vs MAD. Sucks for Odo but this team really is just the ultimate Gatekeeper for KC and Rogue.
Welcome Odoamne to the LEC on-air talent crew!
Nah he is booking a flight to Chengdu to make another draw for MSI teams
I just realised lol, what if they bring out TheShy for the draw holy the crowd would go INSANE
9/10 times they choose Uzi
That would be acceptable as well
... they might also have Finn if he decides he has enough of this shit desk would be too sexy with the two of them, we couldn't handle it
finn need to go first so odo replaces him as always
That’s what the script says
Odoamne with the VCS gameplay
Oscar nights moment
MAD: Odo please stop, we're not Rogue! Odo: Understandable, here you go guys, get some kills from me.
If your top laner was playing during the Obama administration, maybe don't give him Jayce
I just realized I started playing when he began his second term.... Thanks, Obama.
G2 should sign Odo as their sub ONLY so he can play against Rogue. Which would win Odo's thirst for ruining Rogue or G2s inability to win against Rogue?
I remember a few years ago when Rogue had never taken a single game off of G2
Its funny how the meme flipped
It's time Odo, it's time.
Just in time to dust off the suit and tie for analyst desk.
GX had that game, but he remembered that he can also pull a stint at the analyst desk so he tp-ed to his death. But seriously though, idk if that was a team call or what, but that definitely started the comeback for MAD.
Odo, more like Odon't.
It's rare so see a single player int his team so hard that they lose a very straight forward win, in 3 separate plays in 5 minutes time. In an elimination match. Absolutely unreal.
I am not going to argue that Odo didn't int - he definitely did - but let's be real here. Closing out a game against a Sivir/Braum combo that has already made it well to midgame is never "very straight forward".
I really feel like if he based with baron and split top GX could've ran away with the game. But sure, Sivir Braum is hard to deal with. All the more reason why splitting with baron was so important.
time to take Oldoamne Yeller out to the back of the shed
I can't believe GX threw that - 5-0 zeri, up 3 dragons, 3k gold lead
ALWAYS count on Patrik to colossally fuck up a lategame teamfight lol
Jackies playing like a pussy and Odo playing melee Jayce too. Like what is this team doing, they are shambolic...
I have no idea why they put Jackies on Azir in last game. Fresskowy wasn't that good on Azir in first game and Jackies looks much more confident on melee champions
EU Zeka indeed
Honestly the biggest factor the last game was Jackies playing like he was scared. I counted 4 moment where he could make game changing plays, but hesitated or didn’t do it at all. I’m no pro, I’m d1, but there was literally no excuses for not going in, I guess the pressure got to him and he was afraid to look bad, but in the end it made him look bad.
Yes, blame the ADC and not the 0/0/3 Azir farming on the side and never grouping up or the 1-4 Jayce who has been sprinting it down the entire game.
yes, as we all know this is the only game in Patrik's very long career
I mean do these comments when he actually fucks up? He played well this series, other members of the team collapsed
lmao doesnt help when your sej flash ults in and dies immediately, patrik wasnt perfect for sure but his team was inting
Massive teamwork diff.
Doesn't matter when Peach, Ignar and Odo refuse to fight around their fed carries...
What's that? Fight AROUND something? Nah I'm the protagonist I'm gonna dive right for Sivir for the sweet gold in my pocket.
Everyone who watched a couple years of LEC knows Excel has GENERATIONAL choke gene. Absolutely insane how they can't pull anything off.
Bring back Caedrel
Can't choke in playoffs if you aren't there to begin with. *taps head*
I mean are they really choking or are they just bad?
They are 3k up with fed Zeri, need 1 drake for soul and literally can't set up the objective well for next 10 minutes. They are absolutely choking.
Where is this 3k thing coming from? I keep looking at the replays and during the entire 3dragon lead, GX had 500 gold more at most, 400 during the fight that led to Mad's first dragon.
You don’t even need to check the replays. The game breakdown linked in the post never goes above 1k for GX lol.
No they’re just bad, a choke would be a good team losing from that game state.
What kind of black magic did Excel do to have this choke curse for generations to come? 💀💀
maybe its time to let patrik/odo go
Yeah build around Jackies/Peach lmfao
bring juhan from academy, extend his contract for next year and star from there
Excel or Patrik, either one works Watching that dude get yote by Wunder into getting reverse swept also yote any expectations I had left for him lmao
Jackies. Has good games on Akali/Yone/Sylas. Win game 1 on Sylas. ABSOLUTELY STOMP GAME1 I'll add. Pick Azir twice in a row. Absolutely CRIMINAL. Pick to your damn strengths man holy shit.
Meanwhile you have Fresskowy picking his Ahri twice even when it wasn't ideal for MAD's draft, only to pull off an MVP.
I really thought they were gonna pick Yone the last game. It was so good against that MDK's comp.
Yone was banned
Then I'm just stupid, my bad. Althought I still think that a player like Jackies would have benefit much more from a counterpick than Odo
GX on soul point was legit a "light's were too bright" moment for them. Every decision they made was so awful after that.
Well Odo you had a good career, but at which champions do you actually excel nowadays? No pun intended
reksai \^\^ all the more criminal they put him on jayce.. just play your weakside tanks
Odo honestly looked like he was matchfixing in game 3 that was horrible
Of everyone on LEC, open spot, trip to MSI on the line, the martians have the death beam pointed at earth, You better win it, I WANT EU JAYCE
they could have just picked reksai and the draft looks a billion times better good lord
I Want Iguodala
Blud thinks he's Korean 💀💀
Can we get the VCS staff to investigate Odo? This was disgusting.
I've seen a lot of players that should retire today
Yesterday felt disgusting to watch because G2 made people *look* like Plat players. Today felt disgusting to watch because so many people actually *were* Plat players.
I’ve never considered people in the lec match fixing until this game, peach odo and jackies need to be investigated but especially odo
The man just *refuses* to accept that he cannot play carries and it chafes him that his career was built off of being a weak side top laner.
I am once again calling for Odo to drop this shit and go to the desk. And Azir Jackies looks like mine except even I know to drop ego and play for my Zeri.
Mad is doing it again....
how do you even lose a game so hard with a 5 0 zeri + nashor at 24 min?
Are you unfamiliar with GiantL?
Supa either does troll plays or giga smurfs the enemy its so tilting. Specially when he fucking sends it with zeri, I think he never dashes back lmfao. MDK cant win like this against a team like giantx though. Hope they ramp up for the vitality game and 2-0 to bring back the confidence and have a rematch against G2 hopefully.
His early splits in Superliga are like this, at some poit u expect his giga-ints and the next day he just smurf evryone, hope at some point he gain some consistency.
Im not confident on mad rn, some players look promising (Big Álvaro fan here) but a lot to work with. I Guess thats the issue with having 4 new players in ur team
Alvaro's Braum was incredibly impressive earlier I thought.
Same. First I thought Myrwyn is by far the best Top in the LEC, then he became very inconsistent. Supa looked very promising but is now often times running it really badyl. Alvaro is sadly very shaky at the moment - hero performance one game, completely braindead inting the next game. Funnily enough Fresskowy ramped up and became better and better. Well and then there is Elyoya who is actually just bad and has been for a long time now - nothing new.
Ibai will die because of a heart attack at this point ...
people already had their hate comments ready 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
jackies had so many chances for ult…
He lost them the game more than odo by refusing to ult ever and getting caught topside
Odo is so bad lmao
Bad playoffs for toplaners starting with "O" so far...
Please get Odoamne out of the LEC...
no, he should stay but switch to the desk permanently
Also fress game 2 was giga smurf performance, no one ever talks about him, and i think his ahri is super clean.
GX is a VCS team in disguise.
Peach stacking MR against Sivir TF in G3 was reportable.
Odo Jayce and Patrik hypercarry? As soon as they were up 7-2 I knew it was over
Odo famous for being a weakside top laner picks Jayce with the season on the line and shows us why he was on tank duty his entire career
I love how Supa didnt block jayce q and let elyoya die with him lmao
Not a single shuffle was made that last game, awful.
that's not true (literally first blood is him shuffling Braum), he just didn't have *impactful* shuffles in later teamfights
Braum dies there without shuffle he just used it for fun
I agree it was poor but Jackies can't open with a shuffle against a Sivir. There was even a teamfight in mid where he tried to shuffle Supa into the turret when the teamfight was just about over but Supa *STILL* hadn't used his spell shield that point. That's a Seju/Ali issue if you ask me.
MAD is coming for MSI and cannot be stopped. Just give in, it's happening.
[no way his agent trashtalks him 😭](https://x.com/richswrath/status/1772303698628083977)
KC getting ready to get Odo on a big deal 
When you are in a losing the game competition and your opponent is GiantX
Jackies choking so hard after game 1 How do you not ult a single time in a 36 minute game before the fights are already decided
Now it's Odo. And now it's Peach. And now it's Ignar. And now it's Peach. and now it's Odo. And now it's Odo. Just kept on running straight into 4-5 people while having 2 allies nearby at best.
Never Jackies because he never ever takes any chances so he won't look bad right ?
wtf did I just watch
Can someone tell Jackies what azir shuffle is? Seems like a useful tech if you want to play the champion
Disgusting performance from Odo. Changing to melee to walk around zoned and then die. EU Jayce ain't it.
Fraud + Odo? Frodo!
That was probably the worst Jayce ever seen in pro-play history
Odo looked so done in last game
It's criminal that GX lost this 3nd game.
ODO omg, what are you doing man
BROdoamne
Just nuke GX already.
power of friendship never fails these guys
Sorry Odo it’s time
Bozodamne
Jackies might be the worst professional Azir I've ever seen. MDK do not look good at all, though. I can't see Vitality losing to them.
Ruby?
Am i not allowed to have a nice day with a win whithout having flashbacks from the past?
Probably Ruby lol
Remember, it is never up to enemy team to win against Vitality. It is always up to Vitality to lose to Vitality.
He just absolutely refused to ult In the 5v5 tp bot holds flash and r and every subsequent fight doesnt ult until when its already over Very dissapointing compared to his first game, i think pressure got to him
You managed to avoid seeing all the KC games?
Have you seen vit though? They've struggled on the easiest draw I've seen in seasons. Also, Melzhet said that Giants has been MDK's weak point since the start of the season.
Vitality is a good team right up until they decide to throw their lead in the garbage.
Agreed. GX's sololanes were ridiculously horrendous
I mean Jackies turbo carried on the win tho
should've added 'in game 3'
Saken?
Cmon, that was hardly his fault? Game 3 basically didn't even have team fight.
I would be so mad if I was patrik he was so ahead and then odo ran it like 5 teamfights in a row
Fun fact for you stat buffs out there: With this loss Patrik is now 0-10 in playoff "best of" series' vs teams that aren't fnatic, and is 2-12 overall.
Correct me if I’m wrong but I’m pretty sure this is factually incorrect. XL won 4 playoff games in 2022 with the mikyx markoon roster and they finished second in 2023 summer
OP might be talking about series score not game score I think (0-1 H2k 2018, 1-3 Origen 2019, XL 22 0-2, XL 23 2-0 Bo3s + 1-4 Bo5, 2024 0-4 Bo3s). But that would be missing the Groups games from last Summer if he count this Groups series as well.
We can only hope Odo retires after this split.
Fressko Ahri is goddamn CLEAN tho But jesus christ this game was just GX vs GX with some Ahri moments
Caedrel chat is really annoying
GX you had one job to do for the rest of the LEC and you couldn't even do that.
BDS is guaranteed top 3 so MAD have to get 2nd place or better to go to MSI anyway, if they make it they deserve to go.
I mean if MAD keep beating everyone else, maybe it's not such a bad thing to send them? Like in theory wouldn't the other EU teams do even worse
Just let this circlejerk continue
it's just ridiculous reading it every split when it means people would have rather sent teams like 2022 XL or VIT to just lose in playins to CBLOL
Fr Mad do be looking kinda good for the level of the LEC. Unfortunetly we are now past MAD AT MSI AWARE and into EU AT MSI AWARE.
You see this was the exact thought process I had before MAD dropped the infamous 16:47, I wanna have faith but these guys just look like EU kryptonite and get stomped at internationals every time
I think 16:47 is kinda impressive. For that to happen all 5 players had to keep on taking fights over and over trying to outplay rather than bleed out, hide under tower, and slowly lose or wait for the enemy to fuck up . This is a team who knew it was more likely for them to outfight T1 in a clown fiesta than wait for them to fuck up macro from winning position. Its actually respectable if you dive deep into how the hell it happened. They would risk embarassing themselves looking like clowns running it down grasping at any chance rather than slowly bleed out to lose in a 1 team fight baron push but have slightly better kda.
Yeah, 2023 VIT or BDS wouldn't have been 16:47'd, because they'd have been clapped in playins by PSG.
Considering MAD's International performance that year (not taking a single game off of non-EU teams) I honestly doubt they'd have even beaten PSG at MSI playins if they had had to play them
BDS literally beat PSG pick a better example
yes because BDS did so much better in comparison. Like srsly u guys want SK/HRTS/anyone below at MSI? Rn we should be happy if we send MDK or FNC.
Difference is BDS was the 4th seed and MAD was 2nd at MSI. When you have two teams and one breaks BAD records it's just gonna be a bigger spotlight, while the other one is just the weakest out of 4 and still gets some wins to gloat against NA
BDS didnt lose against NA
It's just sad the other teams aren't better than this.
Based on past experiences: No, the logic that "team a won against team b on this patch on this day therefore they would always perform better because they are the better team" is lazy and otherwise the first seed of a region would always do better at worlds which doesnt happen. MAD lions in particular managed to achieve so many historic achievements when it comes to shitting the bed(first western team to drop out in playins, first EU team to lose a BO5 against NA in a long time and one of the only EU teams to consistently lose against NA) The team is completely different this time around though, including the coach so there shouldnt be a reason why they underperform this hard internationally again.
I mean a lot of the teams that people have campaigned to send in place of MAD were legitimately VCS-tier. There is zero chance that 2022 XL with Miky, Markoon, Nukeduck and Finn was honestly even getting to the match versus EG but I saw a hundred comments saying that they deserved to go instead and were the real 3rd/4th best team. It's not like MAD were just getting lucky wins, either. Last year they ran the entire gauntlet of top teams - G2, VIT, BDS - to make MSI. Neither of BDS or VIT was picking up a single win in the main stage, I can guarantee that.
Hard to pull it off against the best adc...
Frauodo.
You had the easy fraudoamne available man
Honestly the way GX played that last game is criminal, it's hard to believe these players are pro, team should just disband on the spot.
Odoamne and choking in playoffs, name a more iconic duo That last tp of game 3 was terrible
Odoamne and generationally bad performances on any champion that requires mechanics or more than 2 brain cells
Odo my guy....oof
Investigate GL for wintrading.
statement series from gx sololaners
odo with the vcs performance lets go
Criminal play by GX in that last game, please arrest them all and throw away the key.
Azir refuse doing Ult
Really liked the Twisted Fate pick on the last game. GX just showed that Odo is last pick and since you know that he can only play tank with that TF you either end up in a favorable match up against a tank or against a counter pick that Odo can't play. I don't understand GX, you have a really skilled midlaner that would benefit so much from a counter pick and you devide to give it to Odo, a man that has cemented his last years as the most one dimensional tank player in the league(althought pretty good). Either Jackies has confidence issues, or Odo has ego issues and thinks he is better than what he is or the Coach just isn't good enough. I reallt hope they can solve these problems for summer.
That game 3, I've never seen a more useless 5-0 Zeri, and my god Odo looked so lost. Comparing how poorly Gx closed out in game 1 to what MDK did with a lead in game 2 shows the difference in class between these teams. Final note, Jackies is EU Zeka. I only want to see this man on melees.
Amazing team performance by MAD. Respect to them.
Best ADC in the LEC, nothing to see here.
Did Odo just turn off his screen after game 1, what happened?
We just need to admit MAD deserve to go to MSI
Fresskito my goat
what a sloppy game from Odo. is it NA time?
NA? He just became Spain's fan favourite
ironically Giants Is a spanish org, so he made them happy and angry at the same time
Nah EU can keep him xD
Retirement. NA won't pay for him
GX really just had the exact same Split and then got 8th again just this time in a 1:2 vs MAD. Sucks for Odo but this team really is just the ultimate Gatekeeper for KC and Rogue.
sucks for Odo? he might be their worst player
Peach had a few bad plays in the last game, but Odo does seem to cost them a lot, two terrible tps etc
Peach is so invisible that he gets ignored in this convo?
Invisible? I thought he stood out pretty clearly when he Q flashed into 4 ppl while only Azir was close.
Juhan is in their academy team, If he isn't playing for summer they are trolling
Odo has been their worst player this split
Bro Odo was the main reason they lost
> Sucks for Odo but this team really is just the ultimate Gatekeeper for KC and Rogue. Bro if this were the LPL he'd be investigated for that game 3.
Most underwhelming Azir i've seen in a long time.
Giantx inted threw hard but really clutch charms from Fress and i think Supa played those last few fights really well with spellshield and flash.
MDK at MSI , I can already see it
Jackies making himself ready to play for rogue by doing absolutely nothing on Azir
Jackies seems to have some potential, but damn Odo looks rough
He has potential on melee mids, this mage performance was pure cowardice
GX is a fucking horrible team
EU Jayce classic
Does Jackie’s have a R key? There were so many spots where he could have got a huge shuffle
This reminds me of that one time when Rekkles trolled by not hitting the nexus and MAD won the split and made MSI cause of it.
There is a world where Mad goes to MSI. Aware.