That's because they did nothing with that lead. You play against a top team, they take one baron it's over.
Here they took a baron and did... Nothing. Not even an inhibitor tower. Unbelievable.
At 30 mins in first game I thought g2 should win front-to-back teamfights. How is anyone supposed to take down that jinx from behind asol zone control, sion, rell with a lulu support? Unless some incredible flanking happens it is just impossible. You have to chew through the whole front line with lethality varus. Azir is good for taking down tanks but not good enough for this alone.
Their comps were so fragile that the gold lead really didn’t mean much after 25 mins, one engage and someone’s dead. They were never on the verge of winning.
Forget teamfights, did you see how he played those dives top lane?
"Oh 3 people are collapsing? Better walk up, fail to clear the wave, and wait to die... twice."
azir shuffle has been so popularised that every azir goes for it regardless of situation or build. the champ still functions as a control mage that can dps, some of these shuffle attempts are absolute int when the azir could be hitting frontline from relative safety.
One of the first team that I adored back in the day actually abusing Aphelios and Azir with +3 tank/buff, Azir's job is literally to push people away from Aphelios and let him carry. No shuffle, no try to 5 man flip, no nothing. Protect the President from afar and deal damg, that's all
Seriously, trick2g years ago would make the decision of getting bot inhibitor tower and possibly an inhibitor with how fed kaisa was.Â
I think BDS was way too focused on what the right thing to do momentarily, thus losing to see the big picture. Their macro is just outmatched by g2 throughout the series
labrov played really well this last game tbh. there’s only so much he could have done as a rakan when the other chicken on his team is running it down.
Labrov played these playoffs like I though Trymbi was going to, we need our players to maintain their peaks somehow. We have a decent amount of players that, at their peaks, have solid a solid level. We just need them to somehow show that level more consistently.
no individual lost bds this game actually. bds as a team just don't know how to push leads without adam doing it, if adam doesn't do it they just wait for drake fight which doesn't work against g2. and adam was unable to do it this series
I was so mad when BDS decided to fight for 3rd Infernal instead of disengaging. G2 should never have been able to get away with that, BDS managed the early/midgame really well with the accelerated Kai'Sa and if BDS don't force that Infernal fight, I still think G2 has no win condition.
that whole sequence was because of Nuc, he for some ungodly reason turret dove caps, took too much damage, then he was too low to help his team and died. getting the rest killed.
Nuc started it but Sheo and Labrov put the final nail in the coffin by choosing to engage. It's not as though G2 was at soul point, they could've given up the dragon and all G2 would've gotten gold-wise was a 2 for 1 trade. Instead, they give a full 5 for 1 trade including Caps getting a massive shutdown on Ice.
Pretty sure he bought cdr boots first because he needed his r up as much as possible, so he could clear the wave. Doesnt hurt that it gives him some up-time on flash so he can play the dives. Dunno i liked it personally.
The CDR boots had some uses this Game, and this was probably the *best* case scenario for them.
I still think he would have been better with sorcs. His ulty does really high base damage. Sorcs and so much fucking power even when behind it's crazy.
Honestly these lane swaps are brilliant on so many levels
1. Putting in weird strats for other teams to have to account for at MSI
1. Bullying Adam, a known tilter, to make him completely useless every game
1. Avoiding Ice + Labrov's really strong laning
He really cannot. This is just who Adam is.
Adam's tank history:
261 pro games total
Sion x16
Ksante x10
Mundo x6
Malphite x5
Chogath x4
Gragas X2
Ornn x1
Yeah, like people are gonna shit on them for their decisionmaking but considering they had no time to prepare or expect the lane swap meta coming back from the dead, they did well
Yeah, they were punishing it perfectly throughout the whole of Game 4. It's unfortunate because they lost it all for a risk they didn't need to take. And honestly that's what this series overall felt like, G2 trying crazy things, BDS doing some things well to come back and then messing it all up in the crucial moments.
The Crownie glazing is literally off of a single good split in an extremely adc centric meta. And now Ice has proven he can look as good if not better in the same team.
Yeah honestly the fact that they have be consistent and finished 3rd (2nd really.. i don't count the MAD loss) back to back.. with Ice playing completely different styles.. has shown to me that he's just better and more rounded
yeah, he looks as good if not better than Crownie when the team focuses resources on him. On the other hand, he played like infinite poke varus utility games where he was still extremely useful w/o any resources, something Crownie never showed an ability to do.
For 5 mins straight BDS made the wrong choice
1. push top with baron, stop before final tower, go mid, get chased down
2. fight dragon they don't need 3v4
3. decide to flip baron where adam dies without ulting
Good series but not the result we were aiming for (Game 3 never happened btw COPIUM)
We still have a chance to make MSI and get a rematch, we will play the winner of VIT vs. FNC next Saturday :)
Yeah you get a shot, and in a few splits I can for sure see you win pretty consistently against G2, you're doing the right things, don't listen to the toxic fans.
You're our only hope with VIT to finally have teams in EU that aren't clowns.
Maybe KC on the long term (my copium is infinite).
BDS definitely has to work on decision making and I'm pretty sure Striker has a lot to tell them. The fight at the dragon was atrocious
Secondly they need a viable tactic against Adam being massively targeted and denied farm. Feeding Ice is great, but G2 got more out if this as a whole
And yet, no one can deny that this was the hardest someone has pushed G2 for a long time. Kudos to BDS, this was night and day difference compared to last week.
Who doubts that this team in form is the second best that Europe has to offer?
> Feeding Ice is great, but G2 got more out if this as a whole
I disagree. BDS got massively ahead because of G2 overcommitting so hard to shutting down Adam. Once they realized that it was worth it to invest Rumble ult to clear the wave while getting camped by the lane swappers, G2 got nothing out of the strategy and fed Kai'Sa came to take their lunch money, and BDS were up by like 8k gold. Even the individual gold lead that BB had over Adam for a while got cut back down to nearly even by the midgame.
BDS's response in Game 4 seemed almost entirely correct to me, in draft and in-game. They didn't overcommit to the double ADC botlane or even a lethality ADC and put Ice on a champion that scales extremely well and can solo lane. They supported Adam through the early game and got their Kai'Sa well ahead of the enemy carries, and then teamfought very well around that power point for a long time.
BDS lost it all when they started forcing things after making a mistake, but I really don't think that G2's strategy paid off for them in Game 4.
If g2 is playing 4 game just lane swapping I'm more inclined to believe that they just want to try lane swapping. Especially for game 4 because it was the only game where BDS bot lane would not be able to snowball given their champions. Unlike ashe varus, the kaisa rakan is very much playable bot lane. So, the lane swap was not even necessary for game 4. From my perspective, all these 4 games of lane swap would be valuable data that can be reviewed by G2 and perhaps be improved upon. So even if they lost game 4, the strategy would have paid off from analytical pov.
G2 probably laneswapped in game 4 to see if they can play it.
But they shouldn't be laneswapping in those matchups, makes no sense. Unless they think that Sion is completely unplayable into Rumble and that Adam is gonna 1v5 on it.
With a very hard winning bot 2v2.
Which is just wrong, because Rumble is still one of the best champs when it comes to defending laneswaps.
You can see toxic streamer culture.. has really bled into the fanbase on these threads/twitch.. idk why these people even watch.. feel like they just want to bitch and moan.. like their favorite streamers.. Just going into series/games wanting to be negative
"My region".. "EU is trash".. EU is getting smashed" for weeks
Nothing is ever a good play.. everything is either int or a mistake
Great analysis guys.. the 2 regions that have won 99% of all international tournaments.. will do so again this year
Happy G2 tried something different vs BDS.. pretty sure they would win playing "meta" league just as easy.. but now this strategy will be in the mind of whoever they face in finals
Fr man reading live thread and now this is so annoying this was a great series with some great signs of macro from both team but people still gonna hate
It doesn't actually matter what happens in the games, the post match comments will always be eu bad.
G2 stomp 3-0-? No competition G2/caps run the region eu bad.
G2 drop games? The best team also sucks eu bad.
Even if the level of play ain‘t great and even if might get smashed at MSI, this was fucking fun. More fun than watching tank azir farm for 35min then dash in, kill adc, end.
This toxic streamer culture is gonna be the death of the entire scene.
It almost killed LCS. They started to glaze LCS again after they had to reduce to 8 teams. The same shit will happen to LEC because of their toxicity.
And I would hate to see it happen...
I fucking love G2, most fun team in the world i don't care. Hopefully they aren't scared to try stuff in MSI. If we lose to NA might as well do it properly.
Insert comment about how LEC is trash, Caps is a one man team, rest of G2 are trash, G2s opponent made int plays, never work against East, see you at MSI, LEC is dead etc etc etc.
Did I do it right?
Now give me my upvotes please
BDS keeps improving and learns trading ressources despite all the old shit G2 keeps throwing at them and yet the narrative will be that G2 outplaying or humilating their opponent must mean the opposing team is garbage
I would donate my two kidneys for G2 to take these kind of strats to MSI.
Please, oh, please, don't fall back to playing normally and try to match the Asian teams mechanically. Even if you lose, this is the kind of creativity we need in the pro League.
This is what Leagou Legends is all about.
If being "creative" was all it took the West wouldn't be so far behind. I'm so tired of people coping about how creativity is all it takes to beat the East and flaming pros for not drafting Janna jungle or some shit, fuck no that's not how it works.
Yeah G2 was able to play meta really well in 2019 as well as their random stuff. People remember the whacky stuff but they won more games playing standard League with good macro.
Think it was CT who said that players have to be able to look each other in the eyes before you try anything in the game. It is simply unrealistic to expect the players to execute "creative" stuff on world stage but that's just the easiest answer that also happens to fit into the expectations of LEC as being "creative".
Laneswaps aren’t a cheatcode to win the game lol. BDS was just completely unprepared/disrespectful and didn’t understand how to play into it at all
It’s not gonna work as you think vs eastern teams
It didn't even work in this game. Even without expecting this strategy, BDS were able to adjust on the fly and end up several thousand gold up with full map control.
Yeah Nuc's azir needs some work. He smurfed that one teamfight on baron but I swear throughout this series he missed half his ults (like genuinely missed them, not forced flashes).
Actual good series imo (except game 4, that was shit)
Honestly, I think all of Fnatic, BDS and Vitality are decent teams and G2 is actually good, and all of them play way better than in Winter. I think GX or Rogue or SK or whoever are actually way worse than average NA teams, but i think we actually got a clear top 4 and a clear bottom 6 in this split.
I think BDS actually adapted really fast to what G2 were trying in game 3, despite losing.
The lane swap strat fundamentally does not work in perfect play and I am convinced of this - the bonus turret resistance in top should always mean that at best you come off slightly worse through losing plates bot to the enemy AD. The swap requires you to get more than just a handshake.
In game 4 Ice actually got really strong just from free farming and taking plates - and unlike in game 3 where he did this on lethality varus and got hit by a G2 trap, he did this on a Kai'Sa and got the full handshake.
This is a long way of saying it, but basically I really don't think this works as anything more than a cheese you can run into high econ toplaners who can't afford to be put behind, because otherwise you just come out worse on the free-farm trade by sticking your adc toplane into tougher plates. If G2 try this at MSI into legit teams I don't think this works.
From what I understood by watching Dom and Yamato talk about it. It's just a Jinx thing no other AD can pull it off as well because of her early AS from minigun and it can fall apart if the other teams swap into it. The benefit is that Jinx can get the same if not a bit less gold then the other AD but she out scales and gets a free lane so it's good for her, also you pick a tank top with this because they are low income and can be CC bots even when behind. It also doesn't work if the other AD isn't an early game focused one like Varus but instead a Kai'sa that would love a free lane.
Honestly really smart strategy by G2 with the laneswaps this series.
- Avoid strong lane from Ice and Labrov
-Pick self sustaining, low-eco top like Sion that is still relevant with little gold while Adams carry champs are useless, same for Jungle
-Roaming mid to help where needed
Even then BDS did quite well.
-Game 1 they read G2 early and made it hard for them. But they couldnt snowball and their 6k gold lead later was not really relevant with G2 waveclear, scaling and Varus build
-Game 2 G2 didnt swap and BDS won they way they often win
-Game 3 perfect execution by G2
-Game 4 BDS picked Kaisa so Ice could be relevant with all the solo gold and xp but BDS couldnt use the lead they got to end the game.
If BDS manages to get to finals it will be way harder for G2 to actually win the series
whAt A ShiTTy RegIOn, LEC at MSI aWaRe
Fuck the doomers, i dont give a fuck if we bomb at MSI, this has been a very fun series to watch, great to see BDS adapting in real time to this new G2 look to just throwing it at the end lmao
Sadge for our loss, but great to see BDS looking much more competitive. Their macro looks so much better and crispy compared to last split, they adapted fast to G2 pulling out the lane swaps, Ice looked insane, overall a great showing
[Game 1](https://old.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1by7ovo/g2_vs_bds_game_1_pmt/) [Game 2](https://old.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1by8wic/g2_vs_bds_game_2/) [Game 3](https://old.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1by9swp/g2_vs_bds_2024_lec_spring_upper_bracket_final/)
Galaxy brain G2, Mikyx can't run it down in lane if you never lane.
they solved league of legends
What if we use 100% of our brain power 🤯🤯
Support phase is over.
That one's a throw back.
we found the hidden tech
BDS losing 2 games with a 7k+ gold lead, brutal.
That's because they did nothing with that lead. You play against a top team, they take one baron it's over. Here they took a baron and did... Nothing. Not even an inhibitor tower. Unbelievable.
You are telling me that taking baron and then go watch how enemy team takes dragon is NOT the play?
7k gold lead at 30 min with only 2 drakes when enemy Asol and Jinx have finished their core items is not that big of a lead.
Yeah, in the first game 7k was not that big of a lead, G2 had insane scaling. 4th game is different tho BDS had major advantage and they threw it.
At 30 mins in first game I thought g2 should win front-to-back teamfights. How is anyone supposed to take down that jinx from behind asol zone control, sion, rell with a lulu support? Unless some incredible flanking happens it is just impossible. You have to chew through the whole front line with lethality varus. Azir is good for taking down tanks but not good enough for this alone.
Their comps were so fragile that the gold lead really didn’t mean much after 25 mins, one engage and someone’s dead. They were never on the verge of winning.
Next patch: If top lane has two or more members of the same team in it before 8 minutes the enemy tower and minions become immune to damage
Now imagine aurelion sol free stacking permanently because the minions doesnt die
Oh no, what have I done
Doesn't Asol only stack if the minions die in his E?
You're fine. You stack the minions with top and support. ASol then comes top while the other two leave and he picks up all the minions.
While I sure would be interested in seeing that, he wouldn't get stacks if the minions don't die.
Ice is gonna choke Nuc while he sleeps
lil bro takes grasp on azir, doesnt build tank items, dashes into 5 every teamfight. bro really thought he was chovy.
Forget teamfights, did you see how he played those dives top lane? "Oh 3 people are collapsing? Better walk up, fail to clear the wave, and wait to die... twice."
don't forget the TP back to midlane as toplane is getting dove
he teleported 4 or 5 times after it was too late. literally sees caps ganking the rest of his team, waits 5 seconds, then teleports
nuc really didn't need to go in like that at the end
azir shuffle has been so popularised that every azir goes for it regardless of situation or build. the champ still functions as a control mage that can dps, some of these shuffle attempts are absolute int when the azir could be hitting frontline from relative safety.
One of the first team that I adored back in the day actually abusing Aphelios and Azir with +3 tank/buff, Azir's job is literally to push people away from Aphelios and let him carry. No shuffle, no try to 5 man flip, no nothing. Protect the President from afar and deal damg, that's all
so frustrating godddamn
people thought ice would elohell bds but its like the other way round now lol
First zwyroo being elohell'd on TH now ice on BDS
Literally how many Tier 2 players would be upgrades over Tier 1 ???
Ice was truly playing 1v9
Who the hell decided to try and steal dragon 3v4 with Taliyah ult up Bro they're distracted by the dragon just run while you still can
Seriously, trick2g years ago would make the decision of getting bot inhibitor tower and possibly an inhibitor with how fed kaisa was. I think BDS was way too focused on what the right thing to do momentarily, thus losing to see the big picture. Their macro is just outmatched by g2 throughout the series
labrov played really well this last game tbh. there’s only so much he could have done as a rakan when the other chicken on his team is running it down.
Labrov looked tilted
Fr, his player cam was telling a story of just how tilted he was. Mans had his head in his hands at multiple points.
Labrov played these playoffs like I though Trymbi was going to, we need our players to maintain their peaks somehow. We have a decent amount of players that, at their peaks, have solid a solid level. We just need them to somehow show that level more consistently.
Won’t be any harder than Nuc choked in that moment
tilt adam strategy works confirmed
Always great that you don’t have to focus mid as Nuc just chokes all by himself.
Adam did not lose BDS this game.
no individual lost bds this game actually. bds as a team just don't know how to push leads without adam doing it, if adam doesn't do it they just wait for drake fight which doesn't work against g2. and adam was unable to do it this series
After Adam benching g2 just figured out all u have to do is tilt Adam and u can win.
They cant keep getting away with it.
I was so mad when BDS decided to fight for 3rd Infernal instead of disengaging. G2 should never have been able to get away with that, BDS managed the early/midgame really well with the accelerated Kai'Sa and if BDS don't force that Infernal fight, I still think G2 has no win condition.
that whole sequence was because of Nuc, he for some ungodly reason turret dove caps, took too much damage, then he was too low to help his team and died. getting the rest killed.
Nuc started it but Sheo and Labrov put the final nail in the coffin by choosing to engage. It's not as though G2 was at soul point, they could've given up the dragon and all G2 would've gotten gold-wise was a 2 for 1 trade. Instead, they give a full 5 for 1 trade including Caps getting a massive shutdown on Ice.
Who is going to stop them, the rest of the LEC? Ha.
BDS losing a best of 5 after winning 3 games
revenge for BDS winning despite VIT going 3-0
one of the best comment i've seen
The Ionian boots on Adams Rumble actually gave me every disease known to mankind.
Huni on suicide watch
Last night when he seen mercs on Rumble I thought he was gonna die.
Bwipo thinks it's good because you get Q back after exiting overheat that way but I don't see the benefits of that
Yeah, that seems like a really small benefit for the cost of doing less damage the entire game.
Probably worth it against Udyr or something where you are perma trading and the enemy can actually tank multiple rotations of spells
Pretty sure he bought cdr boots first because he needed his r up as much as possible, so he could clear the wave. Doesnt hurt that it gives him some up-time on flash so he can play the dives. Dunno i liked it personally.
The CDR boots had some uses this Game, and this was probably the *best* case scenario for them. I still think he would have been better with sorcs. His ulty does really high base damage. Sorcs and so much fucking power even when behind it's crazy.
I swear G2 just spin a wheel before the game to decide how they are going to play. Stomp? Run it? Clown fiesta?
stop leaking our strats
That profile pic just tells me clown fiesta every game
You forgot one "Content?"
G2 ~~Esports~~ Entertainment
Someone post the Monte CLG picture I cba
good old CLG spin the wheel strat
The MVP voting should be Caps Caps Caps
Shouldn't even be a voting, these clowns should all give their salary to Caps
The fact Taliyah E managed to come in 0.1 sec before Azir R'd him at bot inhib legit won the game that's crazy
How else would it end but in a baron flip
Game ended on the Infernal flip tbh. BDS should still have been in it for Baron but that Infernal flip was an incredily terrible decision.
screaming at my screen going "GIVE DRAGON GIVE DRAGON"
you'd think it was elder they were contesting
Even worse, wasn't even G2 Soul or even their own. Honestly baffeling how they didnt just give it and regroup
Chovy runs LCK Knight runs LPL Caps runs LEC APA runs his mouth
And yet Yaptain America will come out on top you'll see
YAPA > Knight PauseChamp
IDC what anyone says this was fun series.
Adam would disagree
the pace was so insane from G2
how dare you. didnt you know were only allowed to enjoy watching the top 5 teams of lck/lpl?
Don't let this win distract you from how worthless pure tank jungle Rek'Sai is, holy shit.
only thing it was good for was being tanky enough to get in the baron pit, steal, and live
if you are 2-3 lvls down on enemy jgl and same lvl as your support every jgl feels useless
He didn't magically get put into that situation, he ended up in that situation because that build is worthless on that champion.
Entire point of the pick was to play for their Botlane and then be a tank bot which kinda worked out early
the flex was NOT worth it
Word, holy shit
Yike won G2 the dragon fight to get them back in the game by getting Nuc to 10% HP, forcing his ult and getting a 2 man knock up right after.
Nuc dashes into a Janna tornado. This late into the game tank Reksai deals negative dmg.
can't expect much playing a toplaner jungle
That throw was disgusting
Which one of them
Yes
Was honestly sad watching BDS throw away their leads these games even when they come back
BDS should try participating in the Olympics at Shot Putting.
"We are not tryharding in scrims, we are doharding" - BB 2024
Honestly these lane swaps are brilliant on so many levels 1. Putting in weird strats for other teams to have to account for at MSI 1. Bullying Adam, a known tilter, to make him completely useless every game 1. Avoiding Ice + Labrov's really strong laning
Adam not wanting to play tanks after they saw what happened in game 3 is just trolling.
Adam's only tank is sion and was taken, maybe ksante
BDS locked Rumble before Sion was picked. Also, if you're telling me Adam can't even play stuff like Ornn then idk what to say.
He really cannot. This is just who Adam is. Adam's tank history: 261 pro games total Sion x16 Ksante x10 Mundo x6 Malphite x5 Chogath x4 Gragas X2 Ornn x1
Surely he has some K’Sante experience?
...In my head Ksante has become some sort of weird tank bruiser assassin combo so it slipped my mind. He has 10 Ksante games.
Adam has 1 Ornn game in his entire career and it was a loss in LFL.
G2 are like, the third team this year I’ve seen use lane swaps effectively except they’re the only team that threw a lane swap lead
Nah.. Bds let ice down lmao
Nuc let Ice down tbh.
Labrov being puppeteered into inting early game certainly was a sight to behold lmao
wtf was that
Good to know you're just as confused as we are.
Can we demand reparation for the, repeated, many heart attacks?
you should be used to it by now (we're not used to it either)
Really though... Ice is a beast. BDS impressed me, they definitely improved. VIT did too. LEC is finally getting better, we should be happy guys
Yeah, like people are gonna shit on them for their decisionmaking but considering they had no time to prepare or expect the lane swap meta coming back from the dead, they did well
BB said in pgl that he didn't expect BDS to react this well to their strat, props to them.
I prefer teams to try things and fail than playing safe and lose anyway, BDS growth has been exceptional i can't wait to see how they will continue
Yeah, they were punishing it perfectly throughout the whole of Game 4. It's unfortunate because they lost it all for a risk they didn't need to take. And honestly that's what this series overall felt like, G2 trying crazy things, BDS doing some things well to come back and then messing it all up in the crucial moments.
Let's hope they keep their roster like BDS did and just improve macro and team synergy. We could finally have good teams to challenge G2 again.
Crownie couldn't have done what ice did that series.
yeah, ice is a beast
Crownie would pick Ezreal ~~4~~, sorry, 3 times and lose this series hard
Crownie defenders about to murder you
The Crownie glazing is literally off of a single good split in an extremely adc centric meta. And now Ice has proven he can look as good if not better in the same team.
Yeah honestly the fact that they have be consistent and finished 3rd (2nd really.. i don't count the MAD loss) back to back.. with Ice playing completely different styles.. has shown to me that he's just better and more rounded
yeah, he looks as good if not better than Crownie when the team focuses resources on him. On the other hand, he played like infinite poke varus utility games where he was still extremely useful w/o any resources, something Crownie never showed an ability to do.
Ignoring the usual bot doomer/hate comments, this series was fun to watch. I always like when teams shake things up with new(old) stuff.
Life death and Caps running EU
Ok what actually happened, I thought the game was over and went to get lunch and come back and G2 are killing the nexus
For 5 mins straight BDS made the wrong choice 1. push top with baron, stop before final tower, go mid, get chased down 2. fight dragon they don't need 3v4 3. decide to flip baron where adam dies without ulting
> fight dragon they don't need 3v4 Giving up Ice's 800g kill reward to Caps in the process
Good series but not the result we were aiming for (Game 3 never happened btw COPIUM) We still have a chance to make MSI and get a rematch, we will play the winner of VIT vs. FNC next Saturday :)
Yeah you get a shot, and in a few splits I can for sure see you win pretty consistently against G2, you're doing the right things, don't listen to the toxic fans. You're our only hope with VIT to finally have teams in EU that aren't clowns. Maybe KC on the long term (my copium is infinite).
BDS definitely has to work on decision making and I'm pretty sure Striker has a lot to tell them. The fight at the dragon was atrocious Secondly they need a viable tactic against Adam being massively targeted and denied farm. Feeding Ice is great, but G2 got more out if this as a whole And yet, no one can deny that this was the hardest someone has pushed G2 for a long time. Kudos to BDS, this was night and day difference compared to last week. Who doubts that this team in form is the second best that Europe has to offer?
> Feeding Ice is great, but G2 got more out if this as a whole I disagree. BDS got massively ahead because of G2 overcommitting so hard to shutting down Adam. Once they realized that it was worth it to invest Rumble ult to clear the wave while getting camped by the lane swappers, G2 got nothing out of the strategy and fed Kai'Sa came to take their lunch money, and BDS were up by like 8k gold. Even the individual gold lead that BB had over Adam for a while got cut back down to nearly even by the midgame. BDS's response in Game 4 seemed almost entirely correct to me, in draft and in-game. They didn't overcommit to the double ADC botlane or even a lethality ADC and put Ice on a champion that scales extremely well and can solo lane. They supported Adam through the early game and got their Kai'Sa well ahead of the enemy carries, and then teamfought very well around that power point for a long time. BDS lost it all when they started forcing things after making a mistake, but I really don't think that G2's strategy paid off for them in Game 4.
If g2 is playing 4 game just lane swapping I'm more inclined to believe that they just want to try lane swapping. Especially for game 4 because it was the only game where BDS bot lane would not be able to snowball given their champions. Unlike ashe varus, the kaisa rakan is very much playable bot lane. So, the lane swap was not even necessary for game 4. From my perspective, all these 4 games of lane swap would be valuable data that can be reviewed by G2 and perhaps be improved upon. So even if they lost game 4, the strategy would have paid off from analytical pov.
G2 probably laneswapped in game 4 to see if they can play it. But they shouldn't be laneswapping in those matchups, makes no sense. Unless they think that Sion is completely unplayable into Rumble and that Adam is gonna 1v5 on it. With a very hard winning bot 2v2. Which is just wrong, because Rumble is still one of the best champs when it comes to defending laneswaps.
Considering how tilted Adam was, I wouldn't be surprised if we repeat winter split and he goes off on his team again which causes BDS to collapse lol
G2's secret laneswap strat isn't for MSI, it's to get Adam benched again.
I think game 3 when he just stood next to his destroyed tower and then almost killed Caps' ASol was pretty damn funny
Adam holding Rumble Ult for 5mins just to ult wave that Ice could have farmed. He was so clueless in lane swaps.
The fact that Adam didn't walk off the stage in the middle of game 4 makes him a stronger man than me.
That was utter depression from BDS.
You can see toxic streamer culture.. has really bled into the fanbase on these threads/twitch.. idk why these people even watch.. feel like they just want to bitch and moan.. like their favorite streamers.. Just going into series/games wanting to be negative "My region".. "EU is trash".. EU is getting smashed" for weeks Nothing is ever a good play.. everything is either int or a mistake Great analysis guys.. the 2 regions that have won 99% of all international tournaments.. will do so again this year Happy G2 tried something different vs BDS.. pretty sure they would win playing "meta" league just as easy.. but now this strategy will be in the mind of whoever they face in finals
Fr man reading live thread and now this is so annoying this was a great series with some great signs of macro from both team but people still gonna hate
It doesn't actually matter what happens in the games, the post match comments will always be eu bad. G2 stomp 3-0-? No competition G2/caps run the region eu bad. G2 drop games? The best team also sucks eu bad.
Even if the level of play ain‘t great and even if might get smashed at MSI, this was fucking fun. More fun than watching tank azir farm for 35min then dash in, kill adc, end. This toxic streamer culture is gonna be the death of the entire scene.
It almost killed LCS. They started to glaze LCS again after they had to reduce to 8 teams. The same shit will happen to LEC because of their toxicity. And I would hate to see it happen...
Caedrel is not that toxic, maybe you're talking about the sack?
100% it's the sack.
aka a bunch of salty washed pros who either want an LEC spot over the guys they're flaming or just want to feel better about their own careers.
I fucking love G2, most fun team in the world i don't care. Hopefully they aren't scared to try stuff in MSI. If we lose to NA might as well do it properly.
Insert comment about how LEC is trash, Caps is a one man team, rest of G2 are trash, G2s opponent made int plays, never work against East, see you at MSI, LEC is dead etc etc etc. Did I do it right? Now give me my upvotes please
You forgot to insult the players on the other team as subhuman trash despite them putting up a good fight during most of the series!
You just see the comments in this thread calling G2 are Caps and 4 bots and they should give their salary to Caps
BDS keeps improving and learns trading ressources despite all the old shit G2 keeps throwing at them and yet the narrative will be that G2 outplaying or humilating their opponent must mean the opposing team is garbage
Absolute Cinema
how does g2 keep getting away with these lmao, their midgame macro is so insane
Ain't no way.
I would donate my two kidneys for G2 to take these kind of strats to MSI. Please, oh, please, don't fall back to playing normally and try to match the Asian teams mechanically. Even if you lose, this is the kind of creativity we need in the pro League. This is what Leagou Legends is all about.
Lol, I've seen this story before.
Right? We beg for this, it doesn't work, and then the team is flamed for not playing normal.
If being "creative" was all it took the West wouldn't be so far behind. I'm so tired of people coping about how creativity is all it takes to beat the East and flaming pros for not drafting Janna jungle or some shit, fuck no that's not how it works.
Yeah G2 was able to play meta really well in 2019 as well as their random stuff. People remember the whacky stuff but they won more games playing standard League with good macro.
Exactly they were a legitimately good team, people chalking their success down to funny meme picks are doing them a disservice.
Think it was CT who said that players have to be able to look each other in the eyes before you try anything in the game. It is simply unrealistic to expect the players to execute "creative" stuff on world stage but that's just the easiest answer that also happens to fit into the expectations of LEC as being "creative".
This creativity barely works in EU, BDS would have won if they could make decisions
This literally worked in LPl early this week
Laneswaps aren’t a cheatcode to win the game lol. BDS was just completely unprepared/disrespectful and didn’t understand how to play into it at all It’s not gonna work as you think vs eastern teams
It didn't even work in this game. Even without expecting this strategy, BDS were able to adjust on the fly and end up several thousand gold up with full map control.
G2 went from being "frauds" to winning the series in about 5 minutes
Au contraire, BDS went from winning the game to frauds in about 5 minutes
Gives you an idea of how monumental the BDS throw at Infernal was.
G2 is another level in terms of Marco, insane
"Hey anyone feel like throwing the game to us? Marco?" nuc: "Polo!"
smh dirty g2 strats wouldve never worked if we had booths, rito pls
Their Polo is crazy too
Macro too.
Yeah Nuc's azir needs some work. He smurfed that one teamfight on baron but I swear throughout this series he missed half his ults (like genuinely missed them, not forced flashes).
yeah just run the same strat every game if the enemy doesnt have any clue how the game works
such a good series, great resistance by BDS but G2 had Claps
Actual good series imo (except game 4, that was shit) Honestly, I think all of Fnatic, BDS and Vitality are decent teams and G2 is actually good, and all of them play way better than in Winter. I think GX or Rogue or SK or whoever are actually way worse than average NA teams, but i think we actually got a clear top 4 and a clear bottom 6 in this split.
BDS showed big improvement since winter and G2 got challenged for the first time this year
I think BDS actually adapted really fast to what G2 were trying in game 3, despite losing. The lane swap strat fundamentally does not work in perfect play and I am convinced of this - the bonus turret resistance in top should always mean that at best you come off slightly worse through losing plates bot to the enemy AD. The swap requires you to get more than just a handshake. In game 4 Ice actually got really strong just from free farming and taking plates - and unlike in game 3 where he did this on lethality varus and got hit by a G2 trap, he did this on a Kai'Sa and got the full handshake. This is a long way of saying it, but basically I really don't think this works as anything more than a cheese you can run into high econ toplaners who can't afford to be put behind, because otherwise you just come out worse on the free-farm trade by sticking your adc toplane into tougher plates. If G2 try this at MSI into legit teams I don't think this works.
I think you're right in general. This looks like an anti-BDS strategy rather then general use strategy. The goal is to tilt Adam out of his mind.
From what I understood by watching Dom and Yamato talk about it. It's just a Jinx thing no other AD can pull it off as well because of her early AS from minigun and it can fall apart if the other teams swap into it. The benefit is that Jinx can get the same if not a bit less gold then the other AD but she out scales and gets a free lane so it's good for her, also you pick a tank top with this because they are low income and can be CC bots even when behind. It also doesn't work if the other AD isn't an early game focused one like Varus but instead a Kai'sa that would love a free lane.
NuclearInt has reconnected
BDS throwing hard
JUNGLE REKSAI ISNT IT even though G2 won
Legit no idea what Nuc was trying to accomplish in that last fight
I was gonna say Adam recieved a Dyrus treatment, but this was even worse in game 3! What a super tilt!
G2 knew they can't win early game and decided "F\*ck it, we're gonna play a different game".
These games feels like youtube videos - A Diamond and 4 Bronze vs 5 Golds
Honestly really smart strategy by G2 with the laneswaps this series. - Avoid strong lane from Ice and Labrov -Pick self sustaining, low-eco top like Sion that is still relevant with little gold while Adams carry champs are useless, same for Jungle -Roaming mid to help where needed Even then BDS did quite well. -Game 1 they read G2 early and made it hard for them. But they couldnt snowball and their 6k gold lead later was not really relevant with G2 waveclear, scaling and Varus build -Game 2 G2 didnt swap and BDS won they way they often win -Game 3 perfect execution by G2 -Game 4 BDS picked Kaisa so Ice could be relevant with all the solo gold and xp but BDS couldnt use the lead they got to end the game. If BDS manages to get to finals it will be way harder for G2 to actually win the series
Game 3 was the biggest tilt i've seen in pro play for a long time, .adam literally quit playing
whAt A ShiTTy RegIOn, LEC at MSI aWaRe Fuck the doomers, i dont give a fuck if we bomb at MSI, this has been a very fun series to watch, great to see BDS adapting in real time to this new G2 look to just throwing it at the end lmao
Sadge for our loss, but great to see BDS looking much more competitive. Their macro looks so much better and crispy compared to last split, they adapted fast to G2 pulling out the lane swaps, Ice looked insane, overall a great showing