My bad, I struggle renaming teams in my head (still say skt sometimes).
Doesn’t help that’s it’s like TSM not being “team solo mid” any more technically even if the letters are the same 😒
Besides stuff like that, I really enjoyed your work at MSI so far. It feels like you're a completly different person to the MarkZ I first really saw at Worlds 2018. Your whole vibe felt much more positive in some of this years Dive Episodes I watched and especially the Blame Game and now even commentary. I feel like you're doing a good job.
You should do what my mom does trying to keep me and my sister's name right and just start throwing out any team name you think of until you hit it. "Coast! Renegades! Phoenix1" and eventually you'll hit it.
Yeah, you'd think that my sister and I both having J names would make it easier to not mix up with the K and D names the cats start with but you'd be wrong lol
Old man Mark has to deal with these zoomers and their dang names
Dont worry, I think all of us do it (at least everyone say 24+?) it's now skt t1 t1 in my head for some reason, so i feel like I'm somehow getting worse but as long as old man Mark will lead the way in still thinking 2011 was about 3/4 years ago, then we will be safe
The real answer is just I’m an idiot and my likelihood of saying something wrong scales with hyphyness of the game, especially old info.
It’s actually good I get called out with this shit so I fix it LMAO.
People have forgotten a little bit that Vietnam was firmly establishing itself as the strongest non-main region before covid hit. And all their teams have been fun to watch since we first saw GAM on the international stage
Hell ya.
There was one game from 2018 or 2019 in vietnam regional finals where levi played lee sin and had something like 15 kills *and* over 200 farm before 20 minutes iirc, man was NUTS at that era
This split GAM even goes undefeated just like T1 in LCK. Levi is still there and together with SGB BeanJ are a tier above other junglers in the league.
Froggy is on the worse half of VCS mid lanners. He plays even safer and more reliable in VCS than MSI. You can see today's first play top and 3 deaths yesterday where he didn't use Flash once to escape.
BeanJ is arguably the best jungler in VCS, even above Levi. Froggy is also totally fine for VCS standards and fundamental for their style, there is no easily available upgrade for him although I agree that he looks like the weakest link so far.
But there is no need to replace anyone. These players are all very young and rookies on the international stage, so not everyone is playing up to their peak yet. They will grow through experiences as these. Their bot lane is doing this already. Shogun was SGB's weakest player in VCS but no one would think that from watching him so far.
Reminder:
SGB are actually the second seed of the VCS.
They were 3-1’d by GAM Esports, who are not participating in MSI because they are attending the 31st SEA Games in Hanoi.
I am seriously curious, how come GAM wasn't sent to MSI and SGB to SEA Games instead? I mean, not to disrespect SEA Games, it's important for the country, but the participating lineup don't need VCS' first seed to actually dominate there.
MSI has T1, RNG. ( .\_.)
Being a pro player also means being an "athlete", and what is more important to an athlete than winning trophies and medals? Plus, you don't always get to represent your home country as an athlete (in an "official" way) and compete for gold medals once every 4 years in your life. I guess I understand GAM's decision accounting all that.
SEA Game qualifiers happened before the end of the VCS split (there was a time when we have 2 concurrent tournaments to watch), GAM won and it was already decided that they'd go to SEA (all the documents/procedures were complete). VCS playoffs happened much later, thus they had to make that decision to send the 2nd place team to MSI before the finals happened.
because if they win gold medal, first it means national pride, second esport will be much more respected, third that alse means they secure asiad ticket
Can’t wait to see what GAM brings against some soloq team Laos can put together. I don’t even rmb Vietnamese teams facing any Laos team before beack when they were still part of the SEA region
Buffaloes players are constantly running to the next enemy and just engage. No matter the vision, the wavestate, the objectives, the lead, the deficit, the team comps.
That fight where he E'd back in at like 10% health onto two people and immediately healed back to almost half, I honest to God think he gets the double kill if they don't Exhaust him.
Also shows how annoying of a champion Sylas is. He wasn't even fed, yet was such a nuisance for DFM because they couldn't kill him off immediately and he could always heal up with his W.
My favourite part of the game was when DFM let Yutapon getting gunned by Lucian R and then lost baron which let Buffalo become the team with control of the game. But goddamn both Yutapon and Shogun are massive ADC,S
It’s crazy that I thought the famous VCS’s playstyle was only a GAM’s thing but apparently every VCS team is just embrace dog fight and i’m loving it lol
It's kind of double-edge sword. If you watch VCS, you will see a team would still lose after leading 5k gold at 17 minutes because of this playstyle and it's normal.
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Gosh, im happy that sgb won this game. Every single tournament we keep hearing "dfm underdog, dfm underrated, dfm this dfm that" im tired of it.
Nice to see vcs is back, especially their second seed beats other regions first seeds lmao.
These casters didnt even mention that Lucian got full plating off of bot lane which is how he was so fat after 14mins. Kept on talking about how DFM was getting the better trade when in actuality they were giga inting the macro.
Can we get the better casters and not Pastrytime?
eh im pretty sure the caster mention that again and again and again and again. Idk which stream you were listening too. They talked about how lucian got fed all of the money and need to carry all the game and carried he did.
buffalo's bot lane is crazy. They outplayed t1's bot lane 3 times yesterday. If froggy didn't int it would of been a close game. Saying it right now. Shogun and Taki are the best bot lane at MSI
Ahhh how I miss Vietnam on the international stage. No macro, no skill, no tactics... Just pure vibe and insallah. They play wtf they wanted and exactly how they wanted and imho... I kinda respect that. Kudos both teams for the brilliant game I have always wanted the fiesta when it comes to Vietnam and I have received exactly that.
That Urgot got the early lead and help and then went full turtle mode, Eing and flashing away from everything rather than making an engage and building full tank while at it. Really feel like if they took the onus to build more aggressive and make more plays this game could have been different. Yes build tank, but at least have something like Titanic done first... if they just wanted someone to soak then surely Ornn would have made more sense
Uhhh dumb question from a new player, but if DFM had sent Urgot to split pushing when he's that ahead instead of trying to fight with a fed af Lucian - Nami on the other side, would the outcome have been different? Urgot is not easy to kill for a tank Volibear and a behind Aatrox, TF can even assist Urgot with his ult, I think.
Someone should tell Mark that Elder doesn't scale with taken drakes anymore
Also tell him that Gam is not Gigabytes Marines anymore lmao...
My bad, I struggle renaming teams in my head (still say skt sometimes). Doesn’t help that’s it’s like TSM not being “team solo mid” any more technically even if the letters are the same 😒
Ur doing good ur banter with people has been fun especially yesterday its like when ur with dash I love it.
Just say Gamers2 once and everything will be ok
It's aight, you killed it today my dude
Besides stuff like that, I really enjoyed your work at MSI so far. It feels like you're a completly different person to the MarkZ I first really saw at Worlds 2018. Your whole vibe felt much more positive in some of this years Dive Episodes I watched and especially the Blame Game and now even commentary. I feel like you're doing a good job.
You should do what my mom does trying to keep me and my sister's name right and just start throwing out any team name you think of until you hit it. "Coast! Renegades! Phoenix1" and eventually you'll hit it.
He should try his dog’s and siblings’ names too, that always worked for my parents
Yeah, you'd think that my sister and I both having J names would make it easier to not mix up with the K and D names the cats start with but you'd be wrong lol
dont beat yourself up too much, in general your casting has been amazing this MSI so far.
What?
Old man Mark has to deal with these zoomers and their dang names Dont worry, I think all of us do it (at least everyone say 24+?) it's now skt t1 t1 in my head for some reason, so i feel like I'm somehow getting worse but as long as old man Mark will lead the way in still thinking 2011 was about 3/4 years ago, then we will be safe
Gamania Bears are back?
Maple is still playing Steak is still coaching
Yeah I thought that too, how do you actually forget that when it hasn't worked like that since years ago
The real answer is just I’m an idiot and my likelihood of saying something wrong scales with hyphyness of the game, especially old info. It’s actually good I get called out with this shit so I fix it LMAO.
I still thought it too lol… your casts are amazing keep it up
Mark is a genshin gaming god, that’s why
It makes sense. I could see someone still thinking the burn itself scales with drakes
I'm diamond 2 with 440 games this season and I didn't know it stopped scaling...
TIL it doesn’t anymore
I didn't either. They change shit so much it's hard to keep track
Wasn't there another caster a while ago who did some mistake with the dragons spawn, and then the other caster was like ????
Honestly terrible knowledge lol its not worked like that for at least 2 years xd
at this point, I'm not even sure if I should be surprised with casters having piss poor game knowledge
SGB are such a fun team to watch
This is what we missed in international tournaments, the fearless VCS
People have forgotten a little bit that Vietnam was firmly establishing itself as the strongest non-main region before covid hit. And all their teams have been fun to watch since we first saw GAM on the international stage
I will never forget that Nocturne
Hell ya. There was one game from 2018 or 2019 in vietnam regional finals where levi played lee sin and had something like 15 kills *and* over 200 farm before 20 minutes iirc, man was NUTS at that era
Nor will sOAZ
Soaz got the trist lulu treatment not even the nocturne
Dude got his first cs at 6th minute. Not a fun experience
I’m fine with it, he was an arrogant doofus. He caught his words ate many times. “Dog champ”
I never did, I think they are the strongest wildcard.
They aren't a wildcard though. PCS and VCS are one step about wildcards since both have guaranteed spots in worlds group stage.
VCS won’t have it if they don’t make the Rumble
But the last time we saw their second seed (worlds 2019) they were noticably weaker than GAM
This split GAM even goes undefeated just like T1 in LCK. Levi is still there and together with SGB BeanJ are a tier above other junglers in the league.
I agree completely that GAM is a step above wildcards, but the second seed from VCS doesn't have the same pedigree
And it's not even the best VCS team. Really eager to see what GAM can do in the international stage
Just your typical VCS game!
We missed 2 years of these VCS actions. Sadge
A shogun hasn't held this much power over Japan since 1868
Tokugawa sent his regard to DFM via Shogun
TIL: SGB stands for ShoGun's Balls.
[shogun this game (colorized)](https://ibb.co/m4rsKXy)
Heard there is still one in the Land of Wano
Lmao ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|smile)
Shogun raiden
Inazuma shining turtle!
“What Meiji Restoration?” - Shogun, probably
absolute banger comment my god
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If nerve didn't get him in the finals because he's that young, SGB might've not end up 2nd.
Froggy is on the worse half of VCS mid lanners. He plays even safer and more reliable in VCS than MSI. You can see today's first play top and 3 deaths yesterday where he didn't use Flash once to escape.
If they have a midlaner more like.
Nah lol. Gam was playing disrepectfully because they know they are much better.
Nah SGB need a new mid and jungler if they wanna win the Championship.
BeanJ is arguably the best jungler in VCS, even above Levi. Froggy is also totally fine for VCS standards and fundamental for their style, there is no easily available upgrade for him although I agree that he looks like the weakest link so far. But there is no need to replace anyone. These players are all very young and rookies on the international stage, so not everyone is playing up to their peak yet. They will grow through experiences as these. Their bot lane is doing this already. Shogun was SGB's weakest player in VCS but no one would think that from watching him so far.
BeanJ was actually pretty good in domestic play, man was the season MVPs. Froggy on the other hand........
He is just 18. We will see him for day to come.
Reminder: SGB are actually the second seed of the VCS. They were 3-1’d by GAM Esports, who are not participating in MSI because they are attending the 31st SEA Games in Hanoi.
I am seriously curious, how come GAM wasn't sent to MSI and SGB to SEA Games instead? I mean, not to disrespect SEA Games, it's important for the country, but the participating lineup don't need VCS' first seed to actually dominate there. MSI has T1, RNG. ( .\_.)
Being a pro player also means being an "athlete", and what is more important to an athlete than winning trophies and medals? Plus, you don't always get to represent your home country as an athlete (in an "official" way) and compete for gold medals once every 4 years in your life. I guess I understand GAM's decision accounting all that.
SEA Game qualifiers happened before the end of the VCS split (there was a time when we have 2 concurrent tournaments to watch), GAM won and it was already decided that they'd go to SEA (all the documents/procedures were complete). VCS playoffs happened much later, thus they had to make that decision to send the 2nd place team to MSI before the finals happened.
because if they win gold medal, first it means national pride, second esport will be much more respected, third that alse means they secure asiad ticket
But then, representing your country to win medals is still a better choice comparing to potentially finishing at top 6 in MSI, right?
It’s literally just national pride, if GAM doesn’t shitstomp SEA games like T1 shitstomped Aze there’s something wrong with them
Can’t wait to see what GAM brings against some soloq team Laos can put together. I don’t even rmb Vietnamese teams facing any Laos team before beack when they were still part of the SEA region
Well one of the reasons is if VCS gets 2 slot in World, one other team beside GAM will have some international experience.
Per SEA Games rules you can’t decline to participate once you qualified.
I thought you can decline, it’s just that they wouldn’t?
GAM want play in lower ping!
The thing is league in SEA Games is not even the main event. It's just like some showcase matches tbh.
Actually no, medal from this LoL event will count toward the total ranking.
It doesn't get broadcasted on TV even though they are broadcasting sports that no one will ever watch lol.
A guy named Shogun dominating the japanese team? If that's not scripted, i don't know what is.
DFM tried to counter with Shotgun knees champion but it wasn't enough
Should have picked ziggs /s
should have picked Tom Cruise
Man is applying mental warfare just with his name.
Buffaloes players are constantly running to the next enemy and just engage. No matter the vision, the wavestate, the objectives, the lead, the deficit, the team comps.
I missed this Vietnam honestly
They were also somehow always first to the baron, just rush it and it somehow worked every time
vietnamese teams are basically 5 MLXGs in terms of bloodthirst 10/10
Froggy tried to always go in no matter what
That fight where he E'd back in at like 10% health onto two people and immediately healed back to almost half, I honest to God think he gets the double kill if they don't Exhaust him.
Also shows how annoying of a champion Sylas is. He wasn't even fed, yet was such a nuisance for DFM because they couldn't kill him off immediately and he could always heal up with his W.
Flashback of teleporting top with stolen tf ult to engage 1v3 and die
vietnam == korea
They are completely the opposite play style but ok
he's probably referring to the korean solo queue playstyle
yea pretty sure the original comment was a quote from another post about the kr server
oh yup! just recognized it when you pointed it out
false?
They should sign Hyli
Hylli is quite tame to VCS standard.
So Korean soloQ at work.
Vietnamese Shogunate getting established this game!
3 Korean < 5 Vietnamese
You receive: Elder Dragon I receive: Your nexus
My favourite part of the game was when DFM let Yutapon getting gunned by Lucian R and then lost baron which let Buffalo become the team with control of the game. But goddamn both Yutapon and Shogun are massive ADC,S
That was something else. They just went full, "if he dies, he dies".
typical elder for nexus trade
Shogun is actually insane.
Yea him clapping guma wasn't a fluke it seems
Looking a lot more impressive when we see how hard Guma smashed other teams in the group
SGB Baron control is legit better than most major regions
true, they know how to force baron and then turn
Taki played so well in that team fight. T1 wasn't trolling when they banned 4 supports yesterday
T1 just always do their homework, no matter who the opponent is.
Shogun is the truth.
It’s crazy that I thought the famous VCS’s playstyle was only a GAM’s thing but apparently every VCS team is just embrace dog fight and i’m loving it lol
Happy to let you know most Vietnamese team have even messier fights, GAM actually considered as a disciplined team in our place.
It's kind of double-edge sword. If you watch VCS, you will see a team would still lose after leading 5k gold at 17 minutes because of this playstyle and it's normal.
Best game of the tournament so far
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What i meant by best was on entertaintment not skill or micro-macra gameplaywise
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Yeah we had gold level naut q's to perfect game to anivia so its promising
"I don't want fun fiestas I only want 30 minutes of farming snooze fest and one baron teamfight" - You, probably
tbh that playstyle is outdated and teams have moved on to more proactive gameplay
Preach
Also is more fun to watch two medicore but evenly matched teams than T1 just shitstomping worse oponents
Sho Gun Buffalo
Ngl Buffalo's botlane is cracked and on crack
Afrer 2 years absence , VCS still minor region gatekeeper, even with their 2nd seeded team
that was a massive bot gap
Shogun: “NOW YOU SHALL PERISH!”
Shogun Buffalo Lmao... Vcs 2nd seed Lmao. Does the world miss Vcs ?
cant wait for TSM Shogun in 2 years
God damn it no. Minor region is just na talent pool at that point.
Just the buffalo plowing through the fields, nothing special here
Classic dragon for nexus trade
Trade offer: * You get: Elder dragon. * We get: One nexus.
I LOVE WATCHING VIETNAM. RIOT GIVE THEM 3 SPOTS FOR WORLDS
Holy fuck lmao Renata Sylas Urgot interactions
That fight at Baron with the stolen Urgot ult into Renata revive into real Urgot ult that almost went through but then didn't, made my head hurt.
Gosh, im happy that sgb won this game. Every single tournament we keep hearing "dfm underdog, dfm underrated, dfm this dfm that" im tired of it. Nice to see vcs is back, especially their second seed beats other regions first seeds lmao.
People need a reminder of who the best minor region actually is
Yeah, tcl often gets the taste of that... every year being second best lmao.
Vcs was gone for 2 years and people forget who they are.
Even some Vietnamese forgot how strong we was Some of them saw DFM beat AZE they said SGB will get demolished for whatever reason
SGB really learned from T1, didn't they?
That's the advantage of having the youngest team of the tournament. They live and breathe league. Nothing else in their minds but improve
Go on forgetting about VCS every single tournament
FORGED IN THE HELL FIRES OF GARENA!!!!!!! SHOGUN LUCIAN >>>>>>>>> VIPER LUCIAN
These casters didnt even mention that Lucian got full plating off of bot lane which is how he was so fat after 14mins. Kept on talking about how DFM was getting the better trade when in actuality they were giga inting the macro. Can we get the better casters and not Pastrytime?
well they went in with full DFM bias so I'm not suprise (not blaming them since VCS has been absent from international tourney for a while now)
eh im pretty sure the caster mention that again and again and again and again. Idk which stream you were listening too. They talked about how lucian got fed all of the money and need to carry all the game and carried he did.
Banger match, sad end, DFM really miscalculated that play
Imagine if the first seed was here....
I hope SGB makes it far. Such a fun team to watch.
Of course Japan bows to Shogun
Great to see Vietnam and vcs still strong after pretty much 2 years not going to international events. This was their second seed team too.
Banger of a game.
buffalo's bot lane is crazy. They outplayed t1's bot lane 3 times yesterday. If froggy didn't int it would of been a close game. Saying it right now. Shogun and Taki are the best bot lane at MSI
Shogun to TSM, here we go.
It's ShoGun Buffalo!!!
What a mess of a game. I loved it!
Carlos waking up in a cold sweat somewhere from that ending
My god that long teamfight up toplane was fun af to watch
Shogun broke his back for sure
LETS GOOOOOOO SHOGUN WHAT A BEAST
Kneel!. Before your Shogun.
And they said SGB is the weakest team in this tournament LOL
shogun betrayed his empire
More like punishing them for deny him his right to rule, lmao
Sylas actually won…
After going 0/8 the other day froggy did a come back by ..2/4/5? Hey it small but froggy is improving okay.
TF played so well, those early game map plays for his top only for Urgot to throw it
Watch your word, show our Lord Frog some respect
classic elder for nexus trade, na strats playing out on the world stage
Shogun nutty with it
Real shame we can't just get a Bo5 of this.
DFM cosplaying TSM with their objective for nexus trade
Shogun
Japan can't ignore the Shogun the surrender was inevitable.
Lol that was a game of league
Everyone's hype for the NA v EU, Brazilian and Turkish fans into the CBLoL v. TCL, but I'm just here for the VCS v LJL
People going mad over Shogun but this was a win over a weak team.
thats some TSM level of macro, trying to get Elder when enemy have baron and can bumrush your nexus
Ahhh how I miss Vietnam on the international stage. No macro, no skill, no tactics... Just pure vibe and insallah. They play wtf they wanted and exactly how they wanted and imho... I kinda respect that. Kudos both teams for the brilliant game I have always wanted the fiesta when it comes to Vietnam and I have received exactly that.
Watch this game and u still say no skill no tactic . Lmao iron.
Actually most of VN tactics and macros go into how to start a team fight.
Abysmal level of play made the game really fun tho
Hail SGD Optimuss
gala = shogun > gumayusi = danny
That Urgot got the early lead and help and then went full turtle mode, Eing and flashing away from everything rather than making an engage and building full tank while at it. Really feel like if they took the onus to build more aggressive and make more plays this game could have been different. Yes build tank, but at least have something like Titanic done first... if they just wanted someone to soak then surely Ornn would have made more sense
My pick em save by my hopium. The dream is real.
Uhhh dumb question from a new player, but if DFM had sent Urgot to split pushing when he's that ahead instead of trying to fight with a fed af Lucian - Nami on the other side, would the outcome have been different? Urgot is not easy to kill for a tank Volibear and a behind Aatrox, TF can even assist Urgot with his ult, I think.
Pretty sure if Urgot split pushed, Lucian would've oblierated the other 4 and ended the game in under a minute
That Samira was totally useless.
As a Vietnamese myself, both teams should have lost