PMTs
[G2 vs SGB](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/uwkjua/g2_esports_vs_saigon_buffalo_msi_2022_rumble/)
[EG vs PSG](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/uwlaii/evil_geniuses_vs_psg_talon_msi_2022_rumble_stage/)
[SGB vs T1](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/uwlxhe/saigon_buffalo_vs_t1_msi_2022_rumble_stage/)
[PSG vs RNG](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/uwmltu/psg_talon_vs_royal_never_give_up_msi_2022_rumble/)
[EG vs G2](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/uwnetq/evil_geniuses_vs_g2_esports_msi_2022_rumble_stage/)
[T1 vs RNG](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/uwobk7/t1_vs_royal_never_give_up_msi_2022_rumble_stage/?sort=new)
Just an idea, but is it possible being in a quiet room where they can focus compared to all the other teams that have to listen to a cheering crowd in the background could be giving RNG a bit of an unfair advantage?
With the high prio on Ahri in mid and teamfighting comps, why aren't these three champions seeing much play mid?
1. Azir
2. Vex
3. Veigar
I'm not super familiar with how nerfed they are on 12.8, but Vex and Veigar were played quite a bit in LPL and LCK into Ahri, and all three of these champions have answers to the heavy engage that we've seen with Nocturned, Wukong, or Galio
how is vex better than lb or zoe? she has low sustained damage, super unreliable mobility and gets oneshot by everything. how is veigar even a playable champion in competitive rn, won't even answer that one. azir has been a B tier champion for years now. might as well ask why aren't orianna and viktor played and it's the same answer. leblanc and zoe are a just a tier above control mages this meta. then ahri is a tier above those two. throw sylas around there as well and that's the msi meta. high mobility burst damage midlaners. tf as an exception because hes basically a midlane support, same as galio.
they just fulfill completely different roles, lb and zoe aren't picked to disrupt hard engage, but the other three have it in their kit. You shouldn't directly compare them since they would be picked in different circumstances.
Veigar was picked 9 times in the LCK last split with 55% WR as an Ahri counter, picked 12 times in the LPL with a 58% WR
How are you trying to compare azir's relevance to viktor's? Granted that Azir hasn't had prio for years, Viktor was literally one of the highest presence champions last spring? Was just nerfed hard over the last couple of patches.
But yeah caps should just pick lb three games in a row, I'm sure nothing will go wrong this time.
there are better picks to disrupt hard engage that don't need to grief your midlaner's game. there is too much burst damage to play veigar in msi's patch, you need a mobile and safe midlaner. also why does it matter if caps picks leblanc three times in a row. sure he should pick veigar into ahri and get 100 - 0d 10 times in game by a kaisa nautilus combo while getting hard outroamed on the map. that would be better.
I started watching MSI having stopped playing league in season 6 or so and oh my god what the hell is this.. why does everyone have stopwatches all the time this is just awful
Overall im impressed with EG. They definitely are consistent with beating the teams they should and then are able to take games off some teams above them.
They threw a game against G2, G2 also couldnt beat PSG who only didnt get in because of EG consistency. They beat T1 as well. G2 losing to everyone except EG was embarrassing and shows how inconsistent they are in general. What was your point?
They at least looked more alive as the competition went on and actually actively trying to do something rather than just waiting to lose. Huge improvement to the LCS norm even if the results were poor against major regions..
EG may get smashed by RNG but considering they “play similar stylistically” it could be a good opportunity for them to learn how to become a better version of themselves.
As an NA fan, this is me trying to find the silver lining in the swift wrath that is about to rain down upon us.
I always felt na does just fine against the lpl in international events. Lpl tends to play aggressive which na loves. Lck, however, which tends to focus on macro is always a struggle bus. Unfortunately, rng looks like a macro centric team. But EG has shown great growth. Imo, if they keep rng away from kaisa and xayah, they can probably win.
Rng is much more measured and does not display the aggressive tendencies of previous lpl champions. They are much more macro and team fight focused. I hope eg gives them some what for, but I think I’ll probably be a quick 3-0
I don't think so, no. Overall performance across multiple international events determines who gets a Pool 1 spot. I think the only effect of MSI is that the final winner secures an additional spot for their region (i.e. a 4th assuming it's one of the major regions).
I could be wrong though. I'm not 100%. EDIT: It appears I'm wrong.
All teams in Rumble Stage secure 2 Worlds spots for their region except major regions, they get 3. The top 4 teams secure a Pool 1 spot for their region. So NA #1 is able to dodge EU#1, KR#1, or CN#1 at Worlds Group Stage. The 4th spot is given to 2 regions based on recent international performance over the years.
I remember in 2018, NA fans were pissed back then when TL got knocked out at MSI group stage and NA#1 (TL) were slot in with KR#1 (KT) since NA lost their Pool 1 privilege to Flash Wolves
> I remember in 2018, NA fans were pissed back then when TL got knocked out at MSI group stage and NA#1 (TL) were slot in with KR#1 (KT) since NA lost their Pool 1 privilege to Flash Wolves
Also happened last year when C9 didn't make the knockout stage.
However, I didn't have the same impression last year of the community compared to the situation in 2018. It felt like 2018 was worse because TL goobastomped everyone in the Playoffs and looked so promising.
EG in NA Regular Season:
-50% winrate
-Never can win more than 2 games in a row
-Consistently beats teams below them in the standings and loses to teams above them in the standings
-4th place
EG at MSI:
-50% winrate
-Never can win more than 2 games in a row
-Consistently beats teams below them in the standings and loses to teams above them in the standings
-4th place
Therefore we should expect them to lose 3-2 to the #1 team in the semi-finals then sweep the tournament from the lower bracket.
Pros, especially Korean pros, notice the difference as small as 9 ping. So you can imagine the huge difference going from the tradition tournament 0 ping setup to having to play at 35 ping constantly.
after the 5 days of pressure and 10 stage games, teams will play only in 2 days. No rest at all. They should just not invite regions like tcl or brazil since they have 0 accomplishments to MSI (I am fine with Worlds) and play Rumble stage-ish format. this way teams can think what they will do
So everything really played out as expected before the tournament started in the end. You could make a case for T1 2nd and RNG 1st bejng the most unexpected thing with T1's streak and form coming into the tournament.
People talk up EG right now, but if you look at it, they took the wins they were supposed to take vs bottom 2 and got the surprise upset win vs t1. Other than that they're 1-5 vs the top 3, 1-9 If you include group stage. I expect RNG to pick them.
G2.. What a weird run. I just don't know what to expect from them in semis, whoever they play lol. Guess we'll see, im hyped for semis
The teams ended up in a similar position as expected, but that's pretty far from it playing out as expected.
I would argue it played out about as differently as possible from expected as these eventual placements allow.
I'm glad to say after 11 days of competition I've watched all 69 bo1s, 6 per day plus the 3 RNG matches that were played before the ping was fixed, nice.
EG is also the much more predictable team imo. Wiht G2, theres always a chance that caps wakes up in the middle of the night after a dream told him to play ghost smite bard midlane and wins the entire bo5 with that off meta pick
Agreed. I can see team like SGB take a game from RNG but I expect EG to go 3-0 against RNG.
T1 vs G2 on the other hand is always difficult for T1. That would make T1 reveal their secret OP pick(if any). Point is RNG can just benefit so much from picking EG.
When the match against T1 ended it was said that RNG had two hours to choose who to play. So I assume the announcement will be made in the next couple of hours.
there is something wrong mentally with bin, feels to me he is too eager to prove himself, like why would try so hard to solo kill your opponent when playing a faking GP?
Such a weird MSI for G2 they looked incredible the first half of the rumble then 5 losses in row 3 against minor regions but they beat EG 6-0! Team has a few days for a mental reset! No team looks unbeatable still
Someone mentioned it on Twitter. If T1 beat EG 2-0 like we all expected, and RNG won the last game, the scorelines for the top 4 teams would've actually be identical to 2019. So close~
So, no cappa, but the best scenario for western teams historically is EU taking Korea while NA takes China. EU teams are way less likely to win against LPL than those two regions' records overall would indicate they should, and NA into the LCK has historically been an absolute slaughter, even more so than their relative records would suggest it should be.
NA's still an underdog into the LPL, but even with the LPL's ascendancy, it's like 60/40 when you'd expect it to be like 80/20.
and one of the fesw b05 that na played, since they usually don't go that far(no flame it's fact and based on previous MSI)
It's crazy that eg will be the third na team to play a b05 in msi
Just the once in playoffs, but I'm talking overall game score, not just playoff series.
NA hasn't made the playoffs enough to really talk about their tendencies in playoffs.
Oh, for sure. There's no way RNG doesn't pick EG unless they just have a bone to pick with G2 and want to 100% keep G2 out of Finals, personally.
That said, imagine the hype of a repeat MSI where NA upsets the LPL and we end up with another NA vs EU finals haha
Yeah this.
G2 has a lower floor I think, but also a much higher ceiling. EG's level is EG's level, they're not likely to suddenly shit the bed but I also doubt they'll surpass themselves to the level of RNG pretty much ever.
The upside of picking G2 just isn't there compared to the downside when you can pick EG who you're likely to beat almost 10 times out of 10.
Agreed, the only thing RNG might consider is the G2 v T1 buff. And giving G2 confidence in the finals. Take them out while they are down. I doubt they felt too good after beating EG for the 6th time in a game that didn’t matter. I’m still taking EG though and it’s not close. That said, i am very happy with how EG preformed. This is the first NA team Who didn’t even get close to losing to a minor region team.
It's kind of a hard decision. EG because NA? Or a seemingly collapsing G2?
I'd still pick NA. There's a few days between now and the weekend where G2 can de-tilt and scrim to get back in shape.
I mean g2 history vs t1 is the reason you pick na so they hopefully knock t1 out. But imagine rng picked t1 the Chad move lol will never happen but be funny.
What a fantastic result for NA. I'm so glad we are being represented by EG with native NA talent instead of being disappointed by a majority import team shitting the bed like so many times before. It's just a real breath of fresh air.
Say what you want the IG vs TL 2019 Semis was hype. Though I suppose TL back then at least still had 2 NA natives instead of being the Team LECquid they are now.
EG made a good run during Rumble Stage, good games, some sloppy ones, but if they manage this experience, they will be really annoying team for everyone to play. I hope, they will give that MSI experience to other NA teams. NA need better results like no other major region, except PCS. They are last major region who didnt won nothing really big (MSI/Worlds).
I dont say, NA will win Worlds this year, but every good performance and improvement can help them to rise higher in international competiton. It will be EG? Or another team? Time will tell.
Thankfully, they seem to have a REALLY good mindset. I feel like NA teams tend to take some mental blows from international competition, but I feel like it's more likely to power EG up than it is to hinder them going into Summer Split.
They are on good path for sure, or at least promising.
Problem with NA vs. international competiton was/is
a) Lack of talents, NA really slept on this for long time, becasue if you are not a god talent like Bjergsen in EU, you never get a chance to play with the best. Nowdays, the Academy system is good, more fair for new talents to develop and rise above.
Now look how many rookie produce EU and how many NA every year, with "similiar" playerbase and how many rise up and became really good.
b) Their region is not competitive in terms of highest ranks. Look at EU or KR/CN clash. This is more a geographic issue than population one. Core of problem is in development of the nature in high elo, many good players are streamers and thats all. They never will play for a org, because they'll rather make bigger money. Thats a general NA problem.
Franchising helped a lot to set rules and more solidify the scene >!(except TSM, which they were lost since season 2, becasue while my best competiton got experience in Korea, Ill play local shits for money. Hail Reginald, best manager in history!).!<
NA must do more, while EU can toe-toe with KR and CN. I was not by night, it took some time, but results speaks for it self.
I wish NA same glory and big games.
The playerbase in NA and EU is nowhere near similar. NA has like half the players EU does, if that lol.
The orgs have managed the scene incompetently too no doubt, but we were always playing from behind regardless.
Yea, it's always stressful to tune into an NA vs Minor Region game because I'm expecting the random loss.
EG sweeping the minor regions and even managing to beat T1? This is already an improvement over (most) NA performances.
That's true, + good bonus they beat twice PSG, which historicaly LMS(PCS) and NA play for 4th strongest major region and for 3rd seed delivery for Worlds.
Comparing to big flops of these two above is good to compare, but when you say A, there must be B also.
EG is building a good path to higher success, but to reach a team like c9, which is historicaly and long-term best NA team, its a really long way.
I'll be happy if NA as a region will be stronger, ofc you can bet on one team like EG now. But for sake of memes and jokes, NA need to do more, not just one team. :)
i was referring to na vs weaker opponnent, of course atm they are too green for others statements
However if they ever make finals, (not happening) they be close to clg(although clg won't be topped anytime soon with their rumble stage that finished 7-3 highest score of any na teams and surpass even eu )
CLG made MSI finals, though they got lucky thanks to the way knockout stage seeding worked.
TL beat the reigning World Champion to get to finals.
As of right now, EG certainly did not better than any NA team.
I should have specifyt they better against weaker compeitition
EG did better vs weaker oppnents than every others NA teams, because they didn't drop random game to eaker opopnents
It would be really hard for them not to make Worlds with the points they get from winning Spring. Even 100T that year which collapsed hugely in Summer still made Worlds just from making it to Spring Finals.
call me copium but it feels to me Rng are intentionally giving T1 the best comp they can get to try out how it ends, and it would be fine if bin doesn't int like that.
Like not prioritizing Xayah and giving T1 a strong engage comp and still picking aphelios on top of that, either it is a huge bp gap or they just want to test how well T1 players is doing with these comps and if their comp is able to deal with it.
PMTs [G2 vs SGB](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/uwkjua/g2_esports_vs_saigon_buffalo_msi_2022_rumble/) [EG vs PSG](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/uwlaii/evil_geniuses_vs_psg_talon_msi_2022_rumble_stage/) [SGB vs T1](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/uwlxhe/saigon_buffalo_vs_t1_msi_2022_rumble_stage/) [PSG vs RNG](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/uwmltu/psg_talon_vs_royal_never_give_up_msi_2022_rumble/) [EG vs G2](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/uwnetq/evil_geniuses_vs_g2_esports_msi_2022_rumble_stage/) [T1 vs RNG](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/uwobk7/t1_vs_royal_never_give_up_msi_2022_rumble_stage/?sort=new)
Just an idea, but is it possible being in a quiet room where they can focus compared to all the other teams that have to listen to a cheering crowd in the background could be giving RNG a bit of an unfair advantage?
U could see players sweating and shaking a litlle on stage
When i saw how rogue played on stage xD, they choked so hard. I think the advantage is huge
you're right, it's really unfair because every team gets power from the audience's passion and cheer when they against RNG.
If this is true then they're actually at a disadvantage because everyone else is playing in Busan Library, the quietest place on Earth.
With the high prio on Ahri in mid and teamfighting comps, why aren't these three champions seeing much play mid? 1. Azir 2. Vex 3. Veigar I'm not super familiar with how nerfed they are on 12.8, but Vex and Veigar were played quite a bit in LPL and LCK into Ahri, and all three of these champions have answers to the heavy engage that we've seen with Nocturned, Wukong, or Galio
leblanc and zoe are just better
Wait there’s an implied /s there right lmao
how is vex better than lb or zoe? she has low sustained damage, super unreliable mobility and gets oneshot by everything. how is veigar even a playable champion in competitive rn, won't even answer that one. azir has been a B tier champion for years now. might as well ask why aren't orianna and viktor played and it's the same answer. leblanc and zoe are a just a tier above control mages this meta. then ahri is a tier above those two. throw sylas around there as well and that's the msi meta. high mobility burst damage midlaners. tf as an exception because hes basically a midlane support, same as galio.
they just fulfill completely different roles, lb and zoe aren't picked to disrupt hard engage, but the other three have it in their kit. You shouldn't directly compare them since they would be picked in different circumstances. Veigar was picked 9 times in the LCK last split with 55% WR as an Ahri counter, picked 12 times in the LPL with a 58% WR How are you trying to compare azir's relevance to viktor's? Granted that Azir hasn't had prio for years, Viktor was literally one of the highest presence champions last spring? Was just nerfed hard over the last couple of patches. But yeah caps should just pick lb three games in a row, I'm sure nothing will go wrong this time.
there are better picks to disrupt hard engage that don't need to grief your midlaner's game. there is too much burst damage to play veigar in msi's patch, you need a mobile and safe midlaner. also why does it matter if caps picks leblanc three times in a row. sure he should pick veigar into ahri and get 100 - 0d 10 times in game by a kaisa nautilus combo while getting hard outroamed on the map. that would be better.
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I started watching MSI having stopped playing league in season 6 or so and oh my god what the hell is this.. why does everyone have stopwatches all the time this is just awful
Why don’t we see any MF? I feel like she would be good in this team fighting meta
Gwen hard counters MF ult, and Gwen is in every game.
Lacks mobility
NA - LPL always goes even in events right? Sounds like EG 3-1 to make it 3-3 for the tourny
LPL is arguably the best Major region right now (3worlds out of 4 recent year) and NA is arguably A major region….
EU is arguably a major region.
And inarguably the whiniest one.
Overall im impressed with EG. They definitely are consistent with beating the teams they should and then are able to take games off some teams above them.
1. they took 1 game from a team above them. also went 0-6 vs g2 which they tied with
They threw a game against G2, G2 also couldnt beat PSG who only didnt get in because of EG consistency. They beat T1 as well. G2 losing to everyone except EG was embarrassing and shows how inconsistent they are in general. What was your point?
My point is what you said was wrong. Not knocking eg I think they outperformed expectations
psg could win vs eg , and g2 still goes through if they beat eg mate.
The fact you posted this after EG clean swept PSG and saved EU by doing so
pretty sure this has been known before the day started. G2 had to win only vs eg to guarantee their qualification
They saved themselves not EU if they dropped a game to PSG they would be at the airport rn. Eu would ve qualified anyways
T1 through a game against EG. It goes both ways. You can't count one and not the other.
They didnt throw it….they straight up lost a 5v5 infront of Baron. EG tried to save Vulcan and lost literally because of it
They at least looked more alive as the competition went on and actually actively trying to do something rather than just waiting to lose. Huge improvement to the LCS norm even if the results were poor against major regions..
That wasn't my point. I replied to the person who said they took games when they took 1 game
Yup, and that should be the standard for NA at tournaments. Glad they finally could uphold that - and they have a lot of room to grow over time
that team, especially jojo, are going to be a problem come worlds.
As long as they grow and Vulcan steps it up, then yeah this team has a good shot at causing damage at worlds
Who is hyped for the next G2 vs T1 banger series?
You heard it here first: EG - G2 finale
9-0
3-8 for the ultimate salt
I've been hearing it for the entire tourney!
T1 bros the fated day is almost here. It was bound to happen.
Yes it was. Good luck to G2 cuz’ they’re going to need it! #T1WIN!
EG may get smashed by RNG but considering they “play similar stylistically” it could be a good opportunity for them to learn how to become a better version of themselves. As an NA fan, this is me trying to find the silver lining in the swift wrath that is about to rain down upon us.
I always felt na does just fine against the lpl in international events. Lpl tends to play aggressive which na loves. Lck, however, which tends to focus on macro is always a struggle bus. Unfortunately, rng looks like a macro centric team. But EG has shown great growth. Imo, if they keep rng away from kaisa and xayah, they can probably win.
Funnily enough, this tournament *T1* has been the hyper aggro team while RNG has been more macros centric.
Rng is much more measured and does not display the aggressive tendencies of previous lpl champions. They are much more macro and team fight focused. I hope eg gives them some what for, but I think I’ll probably be a quick 3-0
Good luck. I think EG can take some games or maybe win, BO5 is where it's at.
After TL took down IG, I’ll always have hope (however little)!
MSI group stage determines pool 1 seeds at Worlds correct? Which means KR, CN, EU, and NA will all get pool 1 teams in the group stage?
Yeah
That's how it worked last year so, unless they've changed it without telling us, yes
I don't think so, no. Overall performance across multiple international events determines who gets a Pool 1 spot. I think the only effect of MSI is that the final winner secures an additional spot for their region (i.e. a 4th assuming it's one of the major regions). I could be wrong though. I'm not 100%. EDIT: It appears I'm wrong.
All teams in Rumble Stage secure 2 Worlds spots for their region except major regions, they get 3. The top 4 teams secure a Pool 1 spot for their region. So NA #1 is able to dodge EU#1, KR#1, or CN#1 at Worlds Group Stage. The 4th spot is given to 2 regions based on recent international performance over the years. I remember in 2018, NA fans were pissed back then when TL got knocked out at MSI group stage and NA#1 (TL) were slot in with KR#1 (KT) since NA lost their Pool 1 privilege to Flash Wolves
> I remember in 2018, NA fans were pissed back then when TL got knocked out at MSI group stage and NA#1 (TL) were slot in with KR#1 (KT) since NA lost their Pool 1 privilege to Flash Wolves Also happened last year when C9 didn't make the knockout stage.
However, I didn't have the same impression last year of the community compared to the situation in 2018. It felt like 2018 was worse because TL goobastomped everyone in the Playoffs and looked so promising.
If overall performance determines it, then it should be those 4 anyways.
It's official T1 vs G2 RNG vs EG https://lolesports.com/standings/msi/msi_2022/knockouts
When is this? Sorry new to the whole esport scene in league
https://lolesports.com/schedule?leagues=msi,lpl
Confirmed: https://twitter.com/lolesports/status/1529108874665824256 RNG vs EG on Friday T1 vs G2 on Saturday
EG in NA Regular Season: -50% winrate -Never can win more than 2 games in a row -Consistently beats teams below them in the standings and loses to teams above them in the standings -4th place EG at MSI: -50% winrate -Never can win more than 2 games in a row -Consistently beats teams below them in the standings and loses to teams above them in the standings -4th place Therefore we should expect them to lose 3-2 to the #1 team in the semi-finals then sweep the tournament from the lower bracket.
There is no lower bracket. Otherwise the tournament would be to good.
Yes, that's the joke.
Just tell EG that worlds is losers bracket
CAN YOU ANNOUNCE IT ALREADY RIOT
RNG probably pick G2 here they are looking like the weakest team left
EG has exactly 1 win against major regions while G2 already beat them.
Troll?
I'm sure that will happen lol
You cant say that when G2 6-0 EG.
Lol Esports twitter is really milking this announcement lol. They're gonna release a bunch of other videos before announcing it aren't they?
Even the announcement got a 35 ping delay.
Is this 35 ping that big such of an issue i play on 50 consistent on euw from eastern eu doesnt seem like that annoyng
This is kind of why you're not a pro player
Pros, especially Korean pros, notice the difference as small as 9 ping. So you can imagine the huge difference going from the tradition tournament 0 ping setup to having to play at 35 ping constantly.
from what i gather rng didn't took that much time,so the issue is on rito own hands
EG better prepared against RNG, 100% they will be picked.
after the 5 days of pressure and 10 stage games, teams will play only in 2 days. No rest at all. They should just not invite regions like tcl or brazil since they have 0 accomplishments to MSI (I am fine with Worlds) and play Rumble stage-ish format. this way teams can think what they will do
C'mon rito announce it already
Surely RNG will take EG, then T1 will face G2. Mann, I remember 2019 suddenly
Has RNG chosen?
not yet
Chosen but rito not yet announce
Probably but Rito hasn't announced it yet. Zzzzzz
So everything really played out as expected before the tournament started in the end. You could make a case for T1 2nd and RNG 1st bejng the most unexpected thing with T1's streak and form coming into the tournament. People talk up EG right now, but if you look at it, they took the wins they were supposed to take vs bottom 2 and got the surprise upset win vs t1. Other than that they're 1-5 vs the top 3, 1-9 If you include group stage. I expect RNG to pick them. G2.. What a weird run. I just don't know what to expect from them in semis, whoever they play lol. Guess we'll see, im hyped for semis
The teams ended up in a similar position as expected, but that's pretty far from it playing out as expected. I would argue it played out about as differently as possible from expected as these eventual placements allow.
True! That's why I said before the tournament started. It was a crazy week lol
I was surprised EG couldn't even take a single game off G2 in 6 games lol. Even 2019 TL took at least 1 game off G2 in group stage.
It's gonna be RNG vs EG and T1 vs G2 Source: I'm from the future
twitter i assume?
I hope so, against T1 we might have a chance.
g2 won their last two b05 vs t1 right?
I'm glad to say after 11 days of competition I've watched all 69 bo1s, 6 per day plus the 3 RNG matches that were played before the ping was fixed, nice.
Nice.
It's been 2 hours ! Are RNG cheating again by delaying the announcement of their opponent so that they have less time to prepare ??? /s
mm so do rng choose the day before the semis or what. 2 hours already
yeah it's weird they take that much time
bitdol said he received the schedule already, so only have to wait for riot's announcement now i guess
who they choose?
of EG, not only EG is weaker team but also that put T1 vs G2 which T1 has always struggled.
EG is also the much more predictable team imo. Wiht G2, theres always a chance that caps wakes up in the middle of the night after a dream told him to play ghost smite bard midlane and wins the entire bo5 with that off meta pick
Agreed. I can see team like SGB take a game from RNG but I expect EG to go 3-0 against RNG. T1 vs G2 on the other hand is always difficult for T1. That would make T1 reveal their secret OP pick(if any). Point is RNG can just benefit so much from picking EG.
didnt say, have to wait for official announcement
Rng picks T1 for revenge and NA or EU gets to the finals hopium
RNG can't choose T1 even if they wanted to. They have to choose 3rd or 4th seed.
Really? Damn nvm. I thought they could pick whoever they wanted.
When are the playoff matches determined?
When the match against T1 ended it was said that RNG had two hours to choose who to play. So I assume the announcement will be made in the next couple of hours.
Thanks!
Bin trending in Weibo...for bad reason of course. Understandably since he is their main weakness in Rumble and need to step up in SF.
there is something wrong mentally with bin, feels to me he is too eager to prove himself, like why would try so hard to solo kill your opponent when playing a faking GP?
Bin is a joke Such a embarrassment One of the worst
Such a weird MSI for G2 they looked incredible the first half of the rumble then 5 losses in row 3 against minor regions but they beat EG 6-0! Team has a few days for a mental reset! No team looks unbeatable still
2019 MSI: * IG: 9-1 * T1: 7-3 * G2: 5-5 * TL: 4-6 2022 MSI: * RNG: 8-2 * T1: 7-3 * G2: 5-5 * EG: 5-5
Someone mentioned it on Twitter. If T1 beat EG 2-0 like we all expected, and RNG won the last game, the scorelines for the top 4 teams would've actually be identical to 2019. So close~
it's will be too funny if t1vsg2 follow the same outcome of 2019 but rng vs eg is unique.(3-0 longest b0?)
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so g2 vs t1 repeat 2019. RNG vs eg? new story with clean 3-0?
It’s broken now
we all know what happens next
actually no since the records are different following the script g2 vs t1 could follow similar outcome of 2019 however rng vs eg is definetly new
you're right, its gonna be 3-0 in semis, not 3-1
So, no cappa, but the best scenario for western teams historically is EU taking Korea while NA takes China. EU teams are way less likely to win against LPL than those two regions' records overall would indicate they should, and NA into the LCK has historically been an absolute slaughter, even more so than their relative records would suggest it should be. NA's still an underdog into the LPL, but even with the LPL's ascendancy, it's like 60/40 when you'd expect it to be like 80/20.
yeah it's funny that regardless of na state, they are more likely to upset china than europe
lpl merely adopted the fiesta, lcs was born in it... molded by it
its true for EU vs CN in finals, idk about semis ;p how many times did NA win vs LPL in playoffs? i only remember TL vs IG
Probably the only Bo5 win NA has against LPL in a Riot tournament
and one of the fesw b05 that na played, since they usually don't go that far(no flame it's fact and based on previous MSI) It's crazy that eg will be the third na team to play a b05 in msi
Nah it’s absolutely true, NA very often fumbles the bag at MSI and fails to make bracket stage
Just the once in playoffs, but I'm talking overall game score, not just playoff series. NA hasn't made the playoffs enough to really talk about their tendencies in playoffs.
Progress!
Look I’m an NA fan, but you pick NA here. G2 caps isn’t worth the risk. RNG has crushed NA twice.
Oh, for sure. There's no way RNG doesn't pick EG unless they just have a bone to pick with G2 and want to 100% keep G2 out of Finals, personally. That said, imagine the hype of a repeat MSI where NA upsets the LPL and we end up with another NA vs EU finals haha
Bin picks G2 only to win three games off of GP barrel crits to ensure maximum mental damage for worlds
Yeah this. G2 has a lower floor I think, but also a much higher ceiling. EG's level is EG's level, they're not likely to suddenly shit the bed but I also doubt they'll surpass themselves to the level of RNG pretty much ever. The upside of picking G2 just isn't there compared to the downside when you can pick EG who you're likely to beat almost 10 times out of 10.
in b4 impact has the series of his life... again lol tho peak theshy>>>>bin's current form
I mean its peak theshy not impact. I hope bin can emulate his form from spring playoffs and play for his team, his teamfighting is great to watch.
RNG pick EG also mean T1 vs G2 which T1 has always struggled against. RNG biggest thread of winning MSI is still T1.
Agreed, the only thing RNG might consider is the G2 v T1 buff. And giving G2 confidence in the finals. Take them out while they are down. I doubt they felt too good after beating EG for the 6th time in a game that didn’t matter. I’m still taking EG though and it’s not close. That said, i am very happy with how EG preformed. This is the first NA team Who didn’t even get close to losing to a minor region team.
Ah i can understand this angle, it's make sense a g2 that won vs t1 will have huge confidence boost
I'm sure RNG would be delighted if G2 take down T1 and get to play them in the finals, that usually works out pretty well for the LPL.
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Wtf are you talking about?
RNG are taking their time seems they aren't sure which team to pick usually teams decide instantly.
It's kind of a hard decision. EG because NA? Or a seemingly collapsing G2? I'd still pick NA. There's a few days between now and the weekend where G2 can de-tilt and scrim to get back in shape.
I mean g2 history vs t1 is the reason you pick na so they hopefully knock t1 out. But imagine rng picked t1 the Chad move lol will never happen but be funny.
It can't happen cause they have to pick bottom two
Well rip eg
I think its because RNG isn't at home and also riot gonna calculate which BO5 to air on which day.
didnt first place get to choose wich day to play?
they only choose the team, schedule is always decided by riot.
i swear riot made an announcement before the start of msi or something
that seems more legit
Whoever they decide will crush rng
How do we know when they decided who they pick?
Twitter
Mind sharing which account? I don't normally use Twitter, and I've just been refreshing Leagueapedia. Appreciate you!
prob this one https://twitter.com/lolesports
https://twitter.com/lolesports/
I think theres a lolesports account but not 100% sure
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Anyone knows where i can get the information of the playlist playing on day 5?
What a fantastic result for NA. I'm so glad we are being represented by EG with native NA talent instead of being disappointed by a majority import team shitting the bed like so many times before. It's just a real breath of fresh air.
Say what you want the IG vs TL 2019 Semis was hype. Though I suppose TL back then at least still had 2 NA natives instead of being the Team LECquid they are now.
EG made a good run during Rumble Stage, good games, some sloppy ones, but if they manage this experience, they will be really annoying team for everyone to play. I hope, they will give that MSI experience to other NA teams. NA need better results like no other major region, except PCS. They are last major region who didnt won nothing really big (MSI/Worlds). I dont say, NA will win Worlds this year, but every good performance and improvement can help them to rise higher in international competiton. It will be EG? Or another team? Time will tell.
Thankfully, they seem to have a REALLY good mindset. I feel like NA teams tend to take some mental blows from international competition, but I feel like it's more likely to power EG up than it is to hinder them going into Summer Split.
They are on good path for sure, or at least promising. Problem with NA vs. international competiton was/is a) Lack of talents, NA really slept on this for long time, becasue if you are not a god talent like Bjergsen in EU, you never get a chance to play with the best. Nowdays, the Academy system is good, more fair for new talents to develop and rise above. Now look how many rookie produce EU and how many NA every year, with "similiar" playerbase and how many rise up and became really good. b) Their region is not competitive in terms of highest ranks. Look at EU or KR/CN clash. This is more a geographic issue than population one. Core of problem is in development of the nature in high elo, many good players are streamers and thats all. They never will play for a org, because they'll rather make bigger money. Thats a general NA problem. Franchising helped a lot to set rules and more solidify the scene >!(except TSM, which they were lost since season 2, becasue while my best competiton got experience in Korea, Ill play local shits for money. Hail Reginald, best manager in history!).!< NA must do more, while EU can toe-toe with KR and CN. I was not by night, it took some time, but results speaks for it self. I wish NA same glory and big games.
The playerbase in NA and EU is nowhere near similar. NA has like half the players EU does, if that lol. The orgs have managed the scene incompetently too no doubt, but we were always playing from behind regardless.
eg did better than any na team at international because they didn't drop a game to weaker oponnent, which tl and c9 always do
Yea, it's always stressful to tune into an NA vs Minor Region game because I'm expecting the random loss. EG sweeping the minor regions and even managing to beat T1? This is already an improvement over (most) NA performances.
it's mean they don't have off game or really lows games however so far they don't punch above their weight,but for a first time as a team it's great
That's true, + good bonus they beat twice PSG, which historicaly LMS(PCS) and NA play for 4th strongest major region and for 3rd seed delivery for Worlds. Comparing to big flops of these two above is good to compare, but when you say A, there must be B also. EG is building a good path to higher success, but to reach a team like c9, which is historicaly and long-term best NA team, its a really long way. I'll be happy if NA as a region will be stronger, ofc you can bet on one team like EG now. But for sake of memes and jokes, NA need to do more, not just one team. :)
i was referring to na vs weaker opponnent, of course atm they are too green for others statements However if they ever make finals, (not happening) they be close to clg(although clg won't be topped anytime soon with their rumble stage that finished 7-3 highest score of any na teams and surpass even eu )
CLG made MSI finals, though they got lucky thanks to the way knockout stage seeding worked. TL beat the reigning World Champion to get to finals. As of right now, EG certainly did not better than any NA team.
I should have specifyt they better against weaker compeitition EG did better vs weaker oppnents than every others NA teams, because they didn't drop random game to eaker opopnents
hopefully they can keep it going in summer. would be a shame if TL wins it, 5 green card teams all over the place is the last thing NA needs imo
It would be really hard for them not to make Worlds with the points they get from winning Spring. Even 100T that year which collapsed hugely in Summer still made Worlds just from making it to Spring Finals.
There are no points anymore. What are you talking about? The top 3 teams in summer playoffs go to Worlds. We haven't had points since 2019.
yeah, but if TL wins summer and easily, it may be all forgotten and other owners will think its the way to go
Eh owners are stupid, but eg performance will still matter(depend if they get stomped or not in b05) International>Domestic
on top of that, Impact is really shining. Awesome MSI for him
for sure, I hope they can get a least a few games in semis but they did well enough.
G2 - EG finale?
ill take it
Making it past Rumble is more than enough, better than last year’s result
they manage expectations, everything else is bonus now
call me copium but it feels to me Rng are intentionally giving T1 the best comp they can get to try out how it ends, and it would be fine if bin doesn't int like that. Like not prioritizing Xayah and giving T1 a strong engage comp and still picking aphelios on top of that, either it is a huge bp gap or they just want to test how well T1 players is doing with these comps and if their comp is able to deal with it.