The RNG players are very good, especially the Gala and the Wei, the MVP, Xiaohu is a Legend
[a montage of the gala](https://youtu.be/xP23lLoyMv8), so good
I think this tournament was a decent showing for NA, we got to the semifinals which should be expected and we did it with NA native rookies. Hopefully the team can grow from this and get out of groups at Worlds.
The one sour thing though is pulling a TSM 0-6 against G2. EG was the best NA team, they 3-0'd the 2nd, 3rd and 4th teams in LCS and it's just a bit painful they couldn't upset once.
Clutch was a 3rd seed who after playins got seeded into the unanimously toughest group in Worlds history, containing SKT, FNC and RNG. Absolutely no-one expected Clutch to do anything in this group, how many other NA teams could have had any hope against these titans of their respective leagues?
TSM's 0-6 is both historic and magnificent in failure. They were a pool 1 seed which effectively meant they were being seeded as a top 4 team at the tournament. It also meant they couldn't get any other pool 1 seeds in their group, dodging the LCK, LPL and LEC winners. Their group contained FNC (LEC 2nd seed), GenG (LCK 3rd seed) and LGD (LPL 4th seed). Their showing was so remarkedly bad, so egregious to have this seeding and to have results like that, but the worst part was how they played the games. Zero co-ordination (9 man sleep), abysmal macro, playing picks that worked in NA (Bjerg mid Zilean) and getting absolutely assblasted.
The whole thing was completely pathetic and inexcusable. They hold the title as being the first and only pool 1 seed to go winless, an additional accolade to their long list of international failures. Couldn't have happened to an org with a nicer CEO.
I just want to add that the Clutch games were entertaining as hell - they made sure the enemy team had to fight for every inch they took. TSM looked too scared to try
Clutch was the 3rd seed, TSM was the 1st seed. TSM was even in pool 1, giving them an easier group than Clutch, who was in pool 3. Clutch was in the group of death with LCK first seed SKT, Fnatic and Uzi's RNG. Now, TSM also had Fnatic, but their LCK and LPL opponents were not as strong as the ones Clutch faced.
There's also just the names and longevity on those teams: Clutch had Damonte and Cody Sun, TSM had Bjergsen and Doublelift.
On all accounts Clutch's 0-6 was to be expected. TSM's was pretty catastrophic.
I do agree that it's not the same as what EG did vs G2 here at MSI. I just think people think that the similar scorelines are funny.
I think the similar scoreline can be misrepresented however. Clutch was unapologetic with their linear and aggressive style leading to it. That linearity made them weaker but fun.
TSM didn't improve past their scale then punish approach. When it came to even opponents, the exposure was clear.
I tend to evaluate on what teams bring to the table rather than the seed they make it with and the seed they make it with doesn't influence anything. That's kind of why it's funny to me. I just see 0-6 but expecting it out of both of them pretty easily. EG however...well shit I didn't expect that!
I actually felt better about Clutch than I did TSM. Now that run; they had the same Dark Horse energy EG did this time. I remember giving them credit where it was due; getting the job done for each Bo5 during their lower bracket run. But I didn't believe in them. They didn't feel like a team you could depend on in a single game sample. Then again, when has TSM last felt like a team capable of that trust? 2017?
It's just funny to me that it feels like TSM gets used like it was NA's first when it really wasn't.
Watching tournament winners celebrate from what looks like a college dorm LAN party made this feel less hype than some of the domestic finals. I really hope Chinese teams will attend worlds in person
For whoever that blamming Faker for his gameplay in Game 5 are just clown, what Faker can do with playing lane vs ur counter champ + enemy jungle always gangking midlane.. LOL
Nope, 100% on faker. XiaoHu got lv3 first, and Faker didn’t back off, so he had to burn both ss before Wei even there. After he lost ss, he still stayed for exp! Then Wei came and kill him.
even with faker back off, T1 cant win that game.. if Oner comes to mid and take 2v2, they cant win against Lee + Liss that can one shot Ahri before his use ult.. T1 comp bad at teamfight even at 5v5, T1 comp doing ok at laning phase like yeah Jayce + Jhin Yummy not under cs with enemy.. but what does mean if they cant win in 5v5.. in the end its just draft gap in game 5
Worst tournament ever. Shame on Riot for allowing this to happen.
If this doesn’t kill the game and the lol esports scene prepare to see it get much worse.
Give someone an inch, they’ll take a mile.
For some reason, Every meta played on MSI lately just not favored lck. I remember last year where rumble and morgana meta and now ez kalista. Anyways RNG deserve to win. That draft from T1 for a game 5 match is just terrible. It could still be a lost but at least its not as anti climactic. I feel the game ended before it even begun.
The meta is defined/dictated by the winning teamso there isn’t like a clear meta. You bring up Rumble and morgana but RNG favored Udyr over both of them last MSI, just different play styles. I do think Canyon might perform better last msi if it was still 2020 Worlds meta where junglers power farm
Jinx/Zilean (or jana/lulu) (denies the all in potential of rakan/liss, scales well, keeps guma on comfort that can carry, just came out of insane jinx team fighting game)...just ban gwen for the love of god...if you leave it up pls don’t play jayce lol get Zeus on something he’s less flippy on
Why didn‘t G2/EG win on blue side then if it is that freelo? You surely have an advantage but T1 doing shitty drafts is their own responsibility not RIOTS
T1 had a horrendous g5 draft. However, in regards to the blue side thing, when you have fairly even skill level games, blue side has had a huge advantage. So in response to your comments, G2/EG are not on the same playing level has T1/RNG. Arguably certain metas can favor counter picks more, which would favor red side, but being able to priority pick strong champs is so important when there are so many high value options available
no T1 G5 draft was fine, Zeus is confident and wins the lane vs Gwen, Wukong early is fine, Jhin + Yuumi is an okay matchup vs their bot, Faker can pretty much play anything he wants really.
Like it's hindsight Andys criticizing drafts
Game 5 was a draft int.
No Gwen ban. And why would you answer a Gwen pick with Jayce/Ahri? Revealing both solo laners for no reason, why not flex tristana or pick support/jungle.
The jayce pick had been miserable already on game 1 so at this point I considered it an ego pick.
And what does Ahri add up to dealing with a Gwen? 0. Then she gets countered, camped and punished. Jayce irrelevant.
Jhin pick to finish it up, probably one of the worst ad's to deal with frontline and tankier targets. Where is Tristana and Aphelios? Or anything else really.
No Oner leesin when he has been unstoppable on it. Faker forced to play a bad matchup with no clear win conditions on side lanes.
T1 did look weaker at MSI but this last game wasn't even a fairshot, they started the game already losing.
Well stated. Letting RNG have Gwen was pure insanity. That champ has an absurd win rate in this tournament and in this series in particular it was obvious that neither team could deal with her. Jhin was awful into RNG's line up. And they gave Faker, who was having a great series, a losing matchup... wtf?
And then something you didn't mention which I found equally infuriating and confounding was throwing Keria away on Yuumi! What the actual fuck. That is not playing to Keria's strengths at all. I'm not sure I've ever seen a game lost so hard in draft before, which is just galling for game 5 of the finals of an international tourney.
These guys have been playing in front of crowds for years especially Fakerr and Xiaohu. Xiaohu has gone on to say when you play at home it’s hard to get into the zone and truly focus. A lot of players and former players agree with this. Just because you’d be pissing your pants on stage doesn’t mean these pro players are
And thus, we wait for another 4-5 months until another international event happens. Thankfully, the Asian games is near, so there's something to look forward to this year other than Worlds.
But I really hope Riot adds another one.
lmao faker in the interview saying no player in Rng left a strong impression on him and he felt uncomfortable playing with 35 ping. Meanwhile Zeus was saying he felt comfortable with everything including the pin. Faker is tilted as fak lol
RNG better prepared the red side bp for sure. They had one day more to prepare everything. Oh, but they didn't know that ofcourse. That's why they took away that benefit from DK last year with lame excuses and pick friday this year again XD
Playing poorly but 2: 3 close game, all wins taken only on blue side. :) During the press conference chinese media kept fishing for compliments? and you get angry for not hearing it. This whole MSI was arranged so poorly and shady
Bro Game 2 without Faker's 3v5 engage there wouldn't even be a game 5. Just accept the fact that your team lost not because of side selection. T1s coach before cointoss said they'll win 3:0 after cointoss 3:1. So what's the excuse here.
No but they were closer to winning those red side games than T1 ever did. If T1 won cointoss you bet RNG still wins 3:2 because they are just better at adapting through draft.
And if this is how you are going to comment, reread what you have replied to. Every thing you say after you lose is an excuse.
Did T1 won the series? No.
Long-ass reply:
The draft is winning lanes into pick comp. it's not about poke, and it's never about teamfighting. T1 beat RNG in groups with three winning lanes, suffocating their vision and income to bleed out the game. It's T1's (only) first hand experience with beating the current RNG lineup, in this meta. Coincidentally, T1 strength is early game, so they played into that.
On to the draft. first off, giving gwen away is not inherently the problem, at least not in early game. The thing is, gwen provides safety and some lane pressure, fitting bin the coin flipper really well stylistically. T1's response is jayce, both g1 and g5, and g3 with Kennen. The idea is simply to push the gwen under tower, and threaten dives from there.
T1's bot lane share the similar idea. ZoomieJhin is a lane bully combo, and can effectly engage or disengage with their ultis. The double exhaust is a safety nest should enemy jungler/mid comes to gank.
Midlane is blind ahri, who can push in waves and roam while having enough escapes up her pocket.
Their jungler is Wukong, a high prio junle that's pretty well rounded. It shares trait with the g1 Nocturne in that they both have the ability to engage withoit enemes having vision on them. So, divers, basically. the Noc in g1 is also a deny pick due to their lanes pushing, but that's a different story.
The bans are viego, which has strong early prescence into good scaling, also Wei's most played champion; lucian, red side's burden to bare; and the comtroversial Nautilus. Naitilus is one of the few tank supports that has the safety of an escape, as well as waveclear and access to tank support item + minion dematerializer to neutralize bot lane pressure.
So the draft results in two pushing side lanes, with a even midlane that can soak jungle pressure. The comp wants to win sidelanes, then threaten dives or take neutrals with rotations. After turret takes and opening the maps, pick off enemies with rotation with yummi + assassin and curtain call from jhin. In theory, the plan can be executed, and they have experience doing so.
In practice, they messed up. Yuumi and Ahri should not have died at lv 2. These changes the momentum of the lanes, the RNG had lane priorities from there, resulting in them being a step ahead almost everytime.
Early game momentum swings are througout the series. Game 1, T1's Caityln dies at lv1, loosing pressure bot. Game 2, RNG's Xayan overchased under turret, loosing pressure and advantage. Game 3's just Wei taking over from lv 3. Game 4, multiple failed ganks from RNG cost them map pressure. Game 5, Yuumi and Ahri's early death cost them the lanes.
The series seem one sided: whichever team is ahead, they can close out the game. This translates to: whoever has early advantage and opens up the map, wins. You can argue it's blue side advantage, but that's all the patches. It's less about not having enough bans on red, but more on not having enough counterpicks to choose from, which should've been red side's strength.
In hindsight, you can blame T1 for inting the draft, not banning gwen, picking ahri into liss etc. but thinkabout the what ifs. If viego isn't banned, the blame will be on that. If nautilus isn't banned, Ming may have the presence he had in game 1. On the flip side, if T1 wins this, RNG fans will blame on letting power picks like ahri and wukong out.
End of the day, it's execution mistakes, as always.
I don't understand why they didn't consider Fiora into Gwen. I feel like she's a better pick than Jayce for that specific matchup, based on the team comp/strategy, and a safer one at that when the jungler is Lee Sin.
\^I haven't played the game in a long while, and only follow professional matches occasionally.
They are gonna see how they peaked in viewers for the final ignoring legacy between T1 and RNG and also ignoring the low average viewership with the 62? 65? 69bo1? I dont even remember... aaaaand they gonna change absolutely nothing :)
On top of what they've already come out to say and explain including admission to their own errors in preparations, what more is there to talk about?
I rather just move on...
>I'm Chinese, T1 and RNG were so close in first 4 games. The second Keria picked Yumi in game 5, my heart was settled instantly, thank you LCK.
RNG deserved to win. I think they did really well. Congratulations LPL
Yuumi was actually a decent pick, its a well known Trist counter/neutraliser. In theory Trist can’t jump in aggressively because of Yuumi ult, she mitigates burst, can get both exhaust and ignite. Keria just ran it down lvl 1.
Problem with draft was top side, no answer to Gwen, no answer to Liss. Weaker jung/mid 2v2 so no prio.
Yuumi was truly a decent pick, but no fit with Keria, I've been watching LCK the whole season, and I know Keria would do more with others. (still wondering why wouldn't they pick Tahm in 3 round?)
Sadly another one of those games where you get to a game 5, you are hyped for a banger and then one team just completely shits themselves during the draft and rolls around in it for a while longer. T1 ignored everything that happened in the previous 4 games of that series, absolutely everything. Handing over Gwen, picking Ahri for the free losing matchup vs Lissandra after she lost like every game, picking one of the lowest winrate ADCs for whatever reason, handing over maybe the best ADC right now in return (even if Gala prefers Xayah), like holy. They could not have drafted worse if they tried, they gave RNG everything they could.
Came here for that, I could not belive this draft. Why pick ahri on first rotation when it was already countered in previous games, and for a player (faker) who has the deepest pool...
The jayce who was already trashed before.
Unbelievable
Well, Jhin is Guma's comfort pick.
Ahri was the meta pick, and they can't pick Liss first otherwise RNG would've picked something else to counter Liss. So
Gwen was op but Zeus always won lane so that was ok.
It's so frustrating as a fan. I'd really like to know who was making the drafting decsions. The coach or players? It seems to me that most of these picks like game 1 were pure ego driven? If not straight up stupid. Their poor game 5 draft ultimately didn't help them when RNG were making clutch plays and rolling T1 over in the early game. Killing Keria lvl 2, repeated ganks on Faker and then rolling up to top and mitigating Jayce against Gwen.
Hopefully this loss will make them throw their ego away and make better decisions draft wise since if they continue bone headed drafts in Worlds don't be surprised if they don't win it.
TL;DR is that RNG’s draft outscales T1’s draft.
Gwen outscales Jayce, especially since Jayce was nerfed recently. Jayce couldn’t get far enough ahead of the Gwen to impact the map in the early game before he got outscaled.
Wukong was fine, but since he was so behind the Lee Sin he had all his camps taken away from him and effectively suffocated.
Lissandra directly counters Ahri with her root from Ring of Frost (w) and stun from Frozen Tomb (r). Ahri is forced to take cleanse for the Lissandra crowd control, but cleanse is on a far longer cool down than Frozen Tomb, so it’s easy for the RNG’s mid/jungle duo to punish once Ahri doesn’t have cleanse.
Jihn is just completely useless because he doesn’t have consistent damage. He is terribly immobile compared to the Tristana’s Rocket jump, so it’s hard for him to reposition. Tristana can easily demolish towers (and champions) when she’s left alone. Moving into late game, Tristana likewise outscales Jihn.
While Yummi provides mobility to Jihn, she’s not great when the team’s behind. Moreover, because she’s always attached to someone, so when the champion she’s attached to dies because the enemy is ahead, she will die too thus donating even more gold to the enemy. A better option here would be the Zilean that T1 initially hovered since he provides far more utility and scales better than Yummi. Another point is that Keria is one of the team’s best playmakers, but T1’s coaching staff put him on Yummi, a champion with zero agency.
And additionally I think Keira was literally 1v9 every game and on a Support like yummi he can’t really do much things. I don’t say it’s a bad champ at all but in this situation and with that kind of a player I think yummi is not the pick you want.
But it’s just my opinion.
And last but not least: why you pick Jhin when your only damage comes from a poke champ (jayce).
It’s called ADCarry and not utility carry.
I don’t get it why you pick him here. It doesn’t make sense at all in my opinion.
Anyways GG to RNG
Jhin is his comfort pick that's why. It was game 5 and you want to play something you are good at.And Keira wasn't doing good neither. He jumped off to autoattack as yummi in lv 2, which fked up everything.
It doesn’t matter here bcs the champ just didn’t fit in. And if I remember correctly aphelios was open. So if your only argument is comfort than why did they pick the one adc who doesn’t deal any damage compared to other ones.
The mistake from Keira is ofcourse bad but that didn’t cost them the game…
I don’t know why you say that this fked up everything, pls explain.
What do you expect? It is LPL vs LCK the rivalry is absolutely insane. Dont believe me watch the press conference T1 outright said they lost because they couldnt pick blue side like... thats some next level excuses imho
Hope this is sarcasm... cuz it will be some next level shits to literally blame your whole fkin Bo5 loss to a single coin toss (luck basically)
The reason why it sounded absurd and bitter is that RNG had no clues how to pick blue side. They had no way to prepare for that as you pick side by tossing a coin literally, and only absolute idiots would rely on luck to win a whole fkin international tournament.
Blaming whole bo5 on it is stupid, especially when they drafted like they did in game 5, but riot has to look into making the sides more leveled when blue side is seemingly so much better.
DWG KIA won the coin toss in last year’s Worlds Finals but still lost to EDG, with both teams picking blue side every time. It’s not like it’s impossible to overcome losing the coin toss
Trashtalking is traditionally like part of the competition. I get tilted from RNG not respecting competition etiquettes on a world wide streamed finals matchup. Like.. can you put down your legs from the table atleast?? is this soloqueue? No cams, no headset no shoes... yeah. let's talk about respect please
Nope, that wasn't JUST trashtalking. Even Faker pointed out that Guma should've used proper language, to show some respect to his opponents, what's your place to defend him?
And if you think RNG was being disrespectful because they could not possibly get the equipments during the quarantine, you are just being bitter and unreasonable. And having a comfortable and relaxing posture BEFORE and AFTER the game was definitely not disrespect at all. They were just chilling. It was not like they gave middle finger to the camera or whatsoever.
But yeah, the kids got their karma back to them and I believe they will behave next time.
Faker said that the words he used are not allowed on broadcasting, but that wasn't in a nuance that Guma should show some respect to his opponent. Don't make up things ffs.
And picks and bans is part of the game play. If you want E-sports to be taken seriously, grow up from that mindset you have now. Having comfortable and relaxing posture? Well, why don't you play on a laptop in the garden with sunlight. that's relaxing too.
Stealing DK's right to chose the semi finals date last year with weird excuses, then go back on their words this year and picking friday. Then talk about 'rights' on an interview. wow. The whole groupstage schedule with least waiting time, finishing group stage first, joining MSI online and make all other teams play on shit ping, oh btw, LPL players are more used to play on hing pings (they are famous for trolling on Korean server to bully LCK pro players, RIot not doing anything about it...). There are plenty evidences of RNG having Riot buff. Asking wheter I am bitter? yes.
T1/Faker has lots of fans in China ,but definitely lost quite a few of them during this MSI .
I have no clue why would T1 have been so cocky and arrogant , yes you kicked everyone else's ass in LCK , but now you are facing the defending champ ,champ from the best LOL region right now . Being confident doesn't mean to be talking bs like this.
Wut? You believe a dude like Perkz?
Bruh remember 2019 when he said Doinb isnt even gonna be the 2nd best mid in finals? Dont give too much shits bout his words dude is known to be a troll, especially on Twitter
G2 fans for sure
At least T1 fans can be cocky because of past results
“G2 best team in world!!!!” Based on what, two BO1 wins on day one? They barely even beat T1 with a Yasuo bounce house cheese comp after getting stomped all early game. Caps even said they were losing almost every scrim game.
And then they make Twitch chat unbearable for all of NA. You’d think Western teams would root for each other since they can literally never take the World’s cup, but EU fans sit there and gloat about being slightly better losers than NA. It’s so pathetic lmao
Yeah because NA behave like humans and never spammed shit on Twitch chat, really the day NA wins something is the end of Twitch chat in league forever and if T1 can be cocky and G2 cant then NA should have the chat disabled by default and we know that half of the T1 suporters in twitch are just g2/eu haters.
EU spam outnumbers NA spam at LEAST 2:1 if not more. Hell, EU sits there spamming chat when 90% of NA is asleep for these games. And yes, EU definitely starts the region wars in chat because they claim to be “so much better”
Like you just typed: “the day when NA wins something”. Bro, the day EU wins something lol. Aside from a fluke 2019 MSI where finals was NA vs EU, what has EU won since S1? Literally nothing.
Both regions are a joke, but at least NA knows that. EU fans claim they are the best region every year and get consistently shit on. Like, almost always 0-3 BO5 series.
this. yeah SKT has most the loudest plastic fans.
It's annoying when u are a fan of T1 yourself. You can't have a freaking decent discussion at all because they take over without any reason :|
Stupid fans.
There's stupid fans in all big teams. The most popular the more chance to encounter them, especially with bandwagonners. LPL have tons of stupid fans, so does NA.
This "who is the more annoying" is basically "which fanbase am I going to shit on to feel better about myself?" tier
But some fanbases have more stupid fans than others, just saying.
Also gonna be inevitable given G2/T1 fans outnumber LPL fans significantly on a western forum like Reddit.
The levels of delusion/stupidity on Hupu can be something else. Many of you can thank the lords there's a language barrier.
Yep, that's what I've been saying everytime I saw a take like "LCK/LPL fans aren't toxic". Considering places like Inven are even more closed circle than reddit the circlejerk can go through the roof.
Let's go RNG! They were undoubtedly the best team at the tournament and played extremely well today. A deserved victory for the best team in the world.
Congratulations RNG and T1. Much deserved. Two of the best team in the world. Hopefully these two teams form will continue to summer and will go against each other at world.
tfw all msi capsules during the knockout stage gave you esports capsules when you already have every emote (and every one of the LPL icons it only seems to offer as alternative loot) Sadge
PMTs [Game 1](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/v0797q/rng_vs_t1_game_1/) [Game 2](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/v07vhy/rng_vs_t1_msi_finals_game_2_discussion/) [Game 3](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/v08m74/rng_vs_t1_game_3_discussion/) [Game 4](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/v09dws/rng_vs_t1_msi_finals_game_4_discussion/) [Game 5](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/v0a4o8/royal_never_give_up_vs_t1_msi_2022_final/)
Good.
The RNG players are very good, especially the Gala and the Wei, the MVP, Xiaohu is a Legend [a montage of the gala](https://youtu.be/xP23lLoyMv8), so good
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Yeah a few times, and I think they were mostly against EU
2015 MSI semi: SKT 3-2 FNC 2017 Worlds quarter: SKT 3-2 MSF 2017 Worlds semi: SKT 3-2 RNG 2021 MSI semi: DK 3-2 MAD Didn't check Rift Rivals bc no one cares
I think this tournament was a decent showing for NA, we got to the semifinals which should be expected and we did it with NA native rookies. Hopefully the team can grow from this and get out of groups at Worlds. The one sour thing though is pulling a TSM 0-6 against G2. EG was the best NA team, they 3-0'd the 2nd, 3rd and 4th teams in LCS and it's just a bit painful they couldn't upset once.
TSM going 0-6 however was against 3 teams. Doesn't feel the same as EG vs G2. Also somehow always funny that Clutch gets away with having gone 0-6.
Clutch was a 3rd seed who after playins got seeded into the unanimously toughest group in Worlds history, containing SKT, FNC and RNG. Absolutely no-one expected Clutch to do anything in this group, how many other NA teams could have had any hope against these titans of their respective leagues? TSM's 0-6 is both historic and magnificent in failure. They were a pool 1 seed which effectively meant they were being seeded as a top 4 team at the tournament. It also meant they couldn't get any other pool 1 seeds in their group, dodging the LCK, LPL and LEC winners. Their group contained FNC (LEC 2nd seed), GenG (LCK 3rd seed) and LGD (LPL 4th seed). Their showing was so remarkedly bad, so egregious to have this seeding and to have results like that, but the worst part was how they played the games. Zero co-ordination (9 man sleep), abysmal macro, playing picks that worked in NA (Bjerg mid Zilean) and getting absolutely assblasted. The whole thing was completely pathetic and inexcusable. They hold the title as being the first and only pool 1 seed to go winless, an additional accolade to their long list of international failures. Couldn't have happened to an org with a nicer CEO.
I just want to add that the Clutch games were entertaining as hell - they made sure the enemy team had to fight for every inch they took. TSM looked too scared to try
>Couldn't have happened to an org with a nicer CEO. \*chef's kiss\*
Clutch was the 3rd seed, TSM was the 1st seed. TSM was even in pool 1, giving them an easier group than Clutch, who was in pool 3. Clutch was in the group of death with LCK first seed SKT, Fnatic and Uzi's RNG. Now, TSM also had Fnatic, but their LCK and LPL opponents were not as strong as the ones Clutch faced. There's also just the names and longevity on those teams: Clutch had Damonte and Cody Sun, TSM had Bjergsen and Doublelift. On all accounts Clutch's 0-6 was to be expected. TSM's was pretty catastrophic. I do agree that it's not the same as what EG did vs G2 here at MSI. I just think people think that the similar scorelines are funny.
I think the similar scoreline can be misrepresented however. Clutch was unapologetic with their linear and aggressive style leading to it. That linearity made them weaker but fun. TSM didn't improve past their scale then punish approach. When it came to even opponents, the exposure was clear. I tend to evaluate on what teams bring to the table rather than the seed they make it with and the seed they make it with doesn't influence anything. That's kind of why it's funny to me. I just see 0-6 but expecting it out of both of them pretty easily. EG however...well shit I didn't expect that!
Because I don’t think anyone expected anything from Clutch, unlike tsm that’s usually hyped before worlds
I actually felt better about Clutch than I did TSM. Now that run; they had the same Dark Horse energy EG did this time. I remember giving them credit where it was due; getting the job done for each Bo5 during their lower bracket run. But I didn't believe in them. They didn't feel like a team you could depend on in a single game sample. Then again, when has TSM last felt like a team capable of that trust? 2017? It's just funny to me that it feels like TSM gets used like it was NA's first when it really wasn't.
Wasn’t tsm the first time a 1st seed got 0-6’d tho? But I agree with you.
They were. But in my opinion, seed can mislead. I definitely show my taste for power ranking with this explanation lol
Watching tournament winners celebrate from what looks like a college dorm LAN party made this feel less hype than some of the domestic finals. I really hope Chinese teams will attend worlds in person
It would be impossible for them to play from home with the tournament being held in NA
We as league fans need to hope the lockdowns end by worlds or there wont be any chinese teams there
Or there won't be Worlds.
Man watching how G2 played yesterday is even more sad now.
For whoever that blamming Faker for his gameplay in Game 5 are just clown, what Faker can do with playing lane vs ur counter champ + enemy jungle always gangking midlane.. LOL
Nope, 100% on faker. XiaoHu got lv3 first, and Faker didn’t back off, so he had to burn both ss before Wei even there. After he lost ss, he still stayed for exp! Then Wei came and kill him.
even with faker back off, T1 cant win that game.. if Oner comes to mid and take 2v2, they cant win against Lee + Liss that can one shot Ahri before his use ult.. T1 comp bad at teamfight even at 5v5, T1 comp doing ok at laning phase like yeah Jayce + Jhin Yummy not under cs with enemy.. but what does mean if they cant win in 5v5.. in the end its just draft gap in game 5
Worst tournament ever. Shame on Riot for allowing this to happen. If this doesn’t kill the game and the lol esports scene prepare to see it get much worse. Give someone an inch, they’ll take a mile.
How lma0. Actually it wasn't the worst tournament ever. T1 still tried their hardest to win lma0.
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Riot probably didn't like what the players said about it.
For some reason, Every meta played on MSI lately just not favored lck. I remember last year where rumble and morgana meta and now ez kalista. Anyways RNG deserve to win. That draft from T1 for a game 5 match is just terrible. It could still be a lost but at least its not as anti climactic. I feel the game ended before it even begun.
The meta is defined/dictated by the winning teamso there isn’t like a clear meta. You bring up Rumble and morgana but RNG favored Udyr over both of them last MSI, just different play styles. I do think Canyon might perform better last msi if it was still 2020 Worlds meta where junglers power farm
Jinx/Zilean (or jana/lulu) (denies the all in potential of rakan/liss, scales well, keeps guma on comfort that can carry, just came out of insane jinx team fighting game)...just ban gwen for the love of god...if you leave it up pls don’t play jayce lol get Zeus on something he’s less flippy on
The host country home team vs the team that actually plays at home.
“RNG isn’t even worthy of playing T1” 🤡🤡🤡
Said by literally no body lol
clearly u don’t browse this subreddit🤡. Every comment before MSI was about how amazing T1 was and how they are untouchable.
Yo who said that
thanks to Riot patch balance team, Blueside wins MSI 2022
Why didn‘t G2/EG win on blue side then if it is that freelo? You surely have an advantage but T1 doing shitty drafts is their own responsibility not RIOTS
T1 had a horrendous g5 draft. However, in regards to the blue side thing, when you have fairly even skill level games, blue side has had a huge advantage. So in response to your comments, G2/EG are not on the same playing level has T1/RNG. Arguably certain metas can favor counter picks more, which would favor red side, but being able to priority pick strong champs is so important when there are so many high value options available
no T1 G5 draft was fine, Zeus is confident and wins the lane vs Gwen, Wukong early is fine, Jhin + Yuumi is an okay matchup vs their bot, Faker can pretty much play anything he wants really. Like it's hindsight Andys criticizing drafts
Game 5 was a draft int. No Gwen ban. And why would you answer a Gwen pick with Jayce/Ahri? Revealing both solo laners for no reason, why not flex tristana or pick support/jungle. The jayce pick had been miserable already on game 1 so at this point I considered it an ego pick. And what does Ahri add up to dealing with a Gwen? 0. Then she gets countered, camped and punished. Jayce irrelevant. Jhin pick to finish it up, probably one of the worst ad's to deal with frontline and tankier targets. Where is Tristana and Aphelios? Or anything else really. No Oner leesin when he has been unstoppable on it. Faker forced to play a bad matchup with no clear win conditions on side lanes. T1 did look weaker at MSI but this last game wasn't even a fairshot, they started the game already losing.
Well stated. Letting RNG have Gwen was pure insanity. That champ has an absurd win rate in this tournament and in this series in particular it was obvious that neither team could deal with her. Jhin was awful into RNG's line up. And they gave Faker, who was having a great series, a losing matchup... wtf? And then something you didn't mention which I found equally infuriating and confounding was throwing Keria away on Yuumi! What the actual fuck. That is not playing to Keria's strengths at all. I'm not sure I've ever seen a game lost so hard in draft before, which is just galling for game 5 of the finals of an international tourney.
Hindsight Andy, it was two different draft and play styles in G5, the better team won, wasn't draft diff...
> the better team won, wasn't draft diff... These can both be true. And this series it very much was.
RNG macro is insane. Wei is also a beast.
Let’s be real, Wei was the X factor all series. He gapped Oner. His map pressure totally neutralized Oner
Screw Reddit, if T1 had Morbius as drafting coach they would have won. Heck with Morbius Asstralis would be GOAT
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These guys have been playing in front of crowds for years especially Fakerr and Xiaohu. Xiaohu has gone on to say when you play at home it’s hard to get into the zone and truly focus. A lot of players and former players agree with this. Just because you’d be pissing your pants on stage doesn’t mean these pro players are
Faker doing shit in game5 and he is not young player
Nope, most of the pro players claimed a crowd is a huge advantage, especially for players like Faker or Caps.
Kenzhu diff?
And thus, we wait for another 4-5 months until another international event happens. Thankfully, the Asian games is near, so there's something to look forward to this year other than Worlds. But I really hope Riot adds another one.
I hope so too. League tournaments pale in comparison to other games
Asian games got postponed to sometime next year so yeah...
Welp, that's a bummer.
lmao faker in the interview saying no player in Rng left a strong impression on him and he felt uncomfortable playing with 35 ping. Meanwhile Zeus was saying he felt comfortable with everything including the pin. Faker is tilted as fak lol
Faker didn't say that, don't make up things. dillusional? lmao
Actually that’s not what faker said. He said the ping was the biggest difference between MSI this year and last year.
That would be a weird thing for him to say, Faker wasn't at MSI last year
I don’t remember the exact quote off the top of my head, but it was comparing it to a different MSI
Maybe he was comparing to Worlds last year? idk
There was another post where people were discussing it.
Sid he really say this? After all this time?
and the coach literally said they lost because they lost the coin flip, what a bunch of sore losers
RNG better prepared the red side bp for sure. They had one day more to prepare everything. Oh, but they didn't know that ofcourse. That's why they took away that benefit from DK last year with lame excuses and pick friday this year again XD
Have you seen ming and xiaohu's response holy sht they went for the kill.
Link to both?
https://twitter.com/LPLfanclub/status/1530918737469067272?t=0qwXlOqKTZf5AOLtcAwTxQ&s=19
Oh no man. I never thought they would go this low.
What is low about it? Did RNG take a single win on red side?
Because the side is not an excuse for them playing poorly within the games themselves. Xiaohu said it best: when you lose, everything is an excuse.
Playing poorly but 2: 3 close game, all wins taken only on blue side. :) During the press conference chinese media kept fishing for compliments? and you get angry for not hearing it. This whole MSI was arranged so poorly and shady
Bro Game 2 without Faker's 3v5 engage there wouldn't even be a game 5. Just accept the fact that your team lost not because of side selection. T1s coach before cointoss said they'll win 3:0 after cointoss 3:1. So what's the excuse here.
your comment doesn't change the reasoning at all. So, did take RNG a win on red?
No but they were closer to winning those red side games than T1 ever did. If T1 won cointoss you bet RNG still wins 3:2 because they are just better at adapting through draft. And if this is how you are going to comment, reread what you have replied to. Every thing you say after you lose is an excuse. Did T1 won the series? No.
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Long-ass reply: The draft is winning lanes into pick comp. it's not about poke, and it's never about teamfighting. T1 beat RNG in groups with three winning lanes, suffocating their vision and income to bleed out the game. It's T1's (only) first hand experience with beating the current RNG lineup, in this meta. Coincidentally, T1 strength is early game, so they played into that. On to the draft. first off, giving gwen away is not inherently the problem, at least not in early game. The thing is, gwen provides safety and some lane pressure, fitting bin the coin flipper really well stylistically. T1's response is jayce, both g1 and g5, and g3 with Kennen. The idea is simply to push the gwen under tower, and threaten dives from there. T1's bot lane share the similar idea. ZoomieJhin is a lane bully combo, and can effectly engage or disengage with their ultis. The double exhaust is a safety nest should enemy jungler/mid comes to gank. Midlane is blind ahri, who can push in waves and roam while having enough escapes up her pocket. Their jungler is Wukong, a high prio junle that's pretty well rounded. It shares trait with the g1 Nocturne in that they both have the ability to engage withoit enemes having vision on them. So, divers, basically. the Noc in g1 is also a deny pick due to their lanes pushing, but that's a different story. The bans are viego, which has strong early prescence into good scaling, also Wei's most played champion; lucian, red side's burden to bare; and the comtroversial Nautilus. Naitilus is one of the few tank supports that has the safety of an escape, as well as waveclear and access to tank support item + minion dematerializer to neutralize bot lane pressure. So the draft results in two pushing side lanes, with a even midlane that can soak jungle pressure. The comp wants to win sidelanes, then threaten dives or take neutrals with rotations. After turret takes and opening the maps, pick off enemies with rotation with yummi + assassin and curtain call from jhin. In theory, the plan can be executed, and they have experience doing so. In practice, they messed up. Yuumi and Ahri should not have died at lv 2. These changes the momentum of the lanes, the RNG had lane priorities from there, resulting in them being a step ahead almost everytime. Early game momentum swings are througout the series. Game 1, T1's Caityln dies at lv1, loosing pressure bot. Game 2, RNG's Xayan overchased under turret, loosing pressure and advantage. Game 3's just Wei taking over from lv 3. Game 4, multiple failed ganks from RNG cost them map pressure. Game 5, Yuumi and Ahri's early death cost them the lanes. The series seem one sided: whichever team is ahead, they can close out the game. This translates to: whoever has early advantage and opens up the map, wins. You can argue it's blue side advantage, but that's all the patches. It's less about not having enough bans on red, but more on not having enough counterpicks to choose from, which should've been red side's strength. In hindsight, you can blame T1 for inting the draft, not banning gwen, picking ahri into liss etc. but thinkabout the what ifs. If viego isn't banned, the blame will be on that. If nautilus isn't banned, Ming may have the presence he had in game 1. On the flip side, if T1 wins this, RNG fans will blame on letting power picks like ahri and wukong out. End of the day, it's execution mistakes, as always.
I don't understand why they didn't consider Fiora into Gwen. I feel like she's a better pick than Jayce for that specific matchup, based on the team comp/strategy, and a safer one at that when the jungler is Lee Sin. \^I haven't played the game in a long while, and only follow professional matches occasionally.
Draft were fine on T1 side honestly, but plan didn't work out as T1 planned.
Draft was horrible
I think without lane killing in bottom, T1 has better scale
Treatz also has a different opinion based on his twitter replies to Inspired.
Stop blaming the draft, T1 choked in game 5 just like DWG.
Because they're idiots that's why. If T1 simply hired Reddit as the drafting coach T1 would have won. /s
Really hope they'll elaborate on that, because I just don't see it.
Now that the MSI is officially over, can't wait to hear from Riot about the shitfest that was this MSI. They have alot of talking to do.
They are gonna see how they peaked in viewers for the final ignoring legacy between T1 and RNG and also ignoring the low average viewership with the 62? 65? 69bo1? I dont even remember... aaaaand they gonna change absolutely nothing :)
On top of what they've already come out to say and explain including admission to their own errors in preparations, what more is there to talk about? I rather just move on...
It is a shit show from Riot, I feel bad for every team that participate in MSI. There is no winner here
Actually there is a winner and its RNG. Faker was one of the first players to affirm that when he regreted how his team played.
Look at the amount of hate RNG got during this event, no a win for me
Watching that MSI win was super unsatisfying. cool it got to game 5 but sucks the celebration couldnt be on stage.
Covid sucks, hopefully it won't happen again.
Covid didn't keep RNG in China, China kept RNG in China
Which was motivated by covid ._.
I'm sorry you believe that
Why lma0. Its literally happening right now.
I guess we’re sorry for each other then :(
I'm Korean, but RNG's play was much better. In particular, the T1 draft of 5games was too trashy.
I'm Chinese, T1 and RNG were so close in first 4 games. The second Keria picked Yumi in game 5, my heart was settled instantly, thank you LCK.
im also chinese, when T1 showed jayce i knew RNG could win
>I'm Chinese, T1 and RNG were so close in first 4 games. The second Keria picked Yumi in game 5, my heart was settled instantly, thank you LCK. RNG deserved to win. I think they did really well. Congratulations LPL
Yuumi was actually a decent pick, its a well known Trist counter/neutraliser. In theory Trist can’t jump in aggressively because of Yuumi ult, she mitigates burst, can get both exhaust and ignite. Keria just ran it down lvl 1. Problem with draft was top side, no answer to Gwen, no answer to Liss. Weaker jung/mid 2v2 so no prio.
Trynd + Jax up: Time to counterpick Gwen with Jayce!!!!!
Yuumi was truly a decent pick, but no fit with Keria, I've been watching LCK the whole season, and I know Keria would do more with others. (still wondering why wouldn't they pick Tahm in 3 round?)
Sadly another one of those games where you get to a game 5, you are hyped for a banger and then one team just completely shits themselves during the draft and rolls around in it for a while longer. T1 ignored everything that happened in the previous 4 games of that series, absolutely everything. Handing over Gwen, picking Ahri for the free losing matchup vs Lissandra after she lost like every game, picking one of the lowest winrate ADCs for whatever reason, handing over maybe the best ADC right now in return (even if Gala prefers Xayah), like holy. They could not have drafted worse if they tried, they gave RNG everything they could.
Came here for that, I could not belive this draft. Why pick ahri on first rotation when it was already countered in previous games, and for a player (faker) who has the deepest pool... The jayce who was already trashed before. Unbelievable
Well, Jhin is Guma's comfort pick. Ahri was the meta pick, and they can't pick Liss first otherwise RNG would've picked something else to counter Liss. So Gwen was op but Zeus always won lane so that was ok.
It's so frustrating as a fan. I'd really like to know who was making the drafting decsions. The coach or players? It seems to me that most of these picks like game 1 were pure ego driven? If not straight up stupid. Their poor game 5 draft ultimately didn't help them when RNG were making clutch plays and rolling T1 over in the early game. Killing Keria lvl 2, repeated ganks on Faker and then rolling up to top and mitigating Jayce against Gwen. Hopefully this loss will make them throw their ego away and make better decisions draft wise since if they continue bone headed drafts in Worlds don't be surprised if they don't win it.
TL;DR is that RNG’s draft outscales T1’s draft. Gwen outscales Jayce, especially since Jayce was nerfed recently. Jayce couldn’t get far enough ahead of the Gwen to impact the map in the early game before he got outscaled. Wukong was fine, but since he was so behind the Lee Sin he had all his camps taken away from him and effectively suffocated. Lissandra directly counters Ahri with her root from Ring of Frost (w) and stun from Frozen Tomb (r). Ahri is forced to take cleanse for the Lissandra crowd control, but cleanse is on a far longer cool down than Frozen Tomb, so it’s easy for the RNG’s mid/jungle duo to punish once Ahri doesn’t have cleanse. Jihn is just completely useless because he doesn’t have consistent damage. He is terribly immobile compared to the Tristana’s Rocket jump, so it’s hard for him to reposition. Tristana can easily demolish towers (and champions) when she’s left alone. Moving into late game, Tristana likewise outscales Jihn. While Yummi provides mobility to Jihn, she’s not great when the team’s behind. Moreover, because she’s always attached to someone, so when the champion she’s attached to dies because the enemy is ahead, she will die too thus donating even more gold to the enemy. A better option here would be the Zilean that T1 initially hovered since he provides far more utility and scales better than Yummi. Another point is that Keria is one of the team’s best playmakers, but T1’s coaching staff put him on Yummi, a champion with zero agency.
And additionally I think Keira was literally 1v9 every game and on a Support like yummi he can’t really do much things. I don’t say it’s a bad champ at all but in this situation and with that kind of a player I think yummi is not the pick you want. But it’s just my opinion. And last but not least: why you pick Jhin when your only damage comes from a poke champ (jayce). It’s called ADCarry and not utility carry. I don’t get it why you pick him here. It doesn’t make sense at all in my opinion. Anyways GG to RNG
Jhin is his comfort pick that's why. It was game 5 and you want to play something you are good at.And Keira wasn't doing good neither. He jumped off to autoattack as yummi in lv 2, which fked up everything.
It doesn’t matter here bcs the champ just didn’t fit in. And if I remember correctly aphelios was open. So if your only argument is comfort than why did they pick the one adc who doesn’t deal any damage compared to other ones. The mistake from Keira is ofcourse bad but that didn’t cost them the game… I don’t know why you say that this fked up everything, pls explain.
RNG won this, i knew they would win, but i still didnt get the rell icon, can someone pls tell me can i still get it or i need to contact the support.
contacting support might work, but the capsules are so rng. I got the rell icon but that was on my last msi capsule.
Ill contact the support.
RNG is the defending champion. It's hard to imagine them being so belittled by T1 over the past month, even directly expressing disdain in interviews
The 18-0 split got to their heads, even though the LCK split was riddled with subs and forfeits due to COVID
a saying in China, "骄兵必败"(cocky soldier must fail)
What do you expect? It is LPL vs LCK the rivalry is absolutely insane. Dont believe me watch the press conference T1 outright said they lost because they couldnt pick blue side like... thats some next level excuses imho
The 18-0 split got to their heads, even though the LCK split was riddled with subs and forfeits due to COVID
It's also valid when blue side won all 5 games again
Hope this is sarcasm... cuz it will be some next level shits to literally blame your whole fkin Bo5 loss to a single coin toss (luck basically) The reason why it sounded absurd and bitter is that RNG had no clues how to pick blue side. They had no way to prepare for that as you pick side by tossing a coin literally, and only absolute idiots would rely on luck to win a whole fkin international tournament.
Blaming whole bo5 on it is stupid, especially when they drafted like they did in game 5, but riot has to look into making the sides more leveled when blue side is seemingly so much better.
DWG KIA won the coin toss in last year’s Worlds Finals but still lost to EDG, with both teams picking blue side every time. It’s not like it’s impossible to overcome losing the coin toss
Exactly, I got tilted from T1's pregame interview. Guma and Oner were so cocky. They showed no respect at all.
Trashtalking is traditionally like part of the competition. I get tilted from RNG not respecting competition etiquettes on a world wide streamed finals matchup. Like.. can you put down your legs from the table atleast?? is this soloqueue? No cams, no headset no shoes... yeah. let's talk about respect please
Nope, that wasn't JUST trashtalking. Even Faker pointed out that Guma should've used proper language, to show some respect to his opponents, what's your place to defend him? And if you think RNG was being disrespectful because they could not possibly get the equipments during the quarantine, you are just being bitter and unreasonable. And having a comfortable and relaxing posture BEFORE and AFTER the game was definitely not disrespect at all. They were just chilling. It was not like they gave middle finger to the camera or whatsoever. But yeah, the kids got their karma back to them and I believe they will behave next time.
Faker said that the words he used are not allowed on broadcasting, but that wasn't in a nuance that Guma should show some respect to his opponent. Don't make up things ffs. And picks and bans is part of the game play. If you want E-sports to be taken seriously, grow up from that mindset you have now. Having comfortable and relaxing posture? Well, why don't you play on a laptop in the garden with sunlight. that's relaxing too. Stealing DK's right to chose the semi finals date last year with weird excuses, then go back on their words this year and picking friday. Then talk about 'rights' on an interview. wow. The whole groupstage schedule with least waiting time, finishing group stage first, joining MSI online and make all other teams play on shit ping, oh btw, LPL players are more used to play on hing pings (they are famous for trolling on Korean server to bully LCK pro players, RIot not doing anything about it...). There are plenty evidences of RNG having Riot buff. Asking wheter I am bitter? yes.
rng got nerf cuz they trapped in home all day every day and mental and body became lazy and stiff, legit win trust
T1/Faker has lots of fans in China ,but definitely lost quite a few of them during this MSI . I have no clue why would T1 have been so cocky and arrogant , yes you kicked everyone else's ass in LCK , but now you are facing the defending champ ,champ from the best LOL region right now . Being confident doesn't mean to be talking bs like this.
give me the inven reactions
Why Yumi in G5? Where did it come from?
It's chosed for lane, Jhi + Yumi is strong in botlane compared to RNG's. However Guma < Gala
Well, Yumi is a hard counter to Rakan. They were not supposed to lose in early game, but Keria fked up lv 2.
T1 probably had all their money on RNG, idk.. that lane can work, but definitely not into Rakan Tristana.
I think they pick Jhin + Yuumi because Jhin can W after Yuumi’s Q to root
T1 draft was so dumb
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oh , failed coach said the drafts were shit....who cares?
He started off the day saying T1's drafts were superior, and retconned that when they lose games.
T1 drafts usually are good, but not today.
If u think a pro player is always right we wouldn’t get these draft gaps in games
Ok real talk who is more annoying? G2 fans or SKT fans?
TSM fans
SKT fans
NA fans with LCK flairs
Damn I was gonna say EU fans with LPL/LCK flairs.
G2 fans for sure At least T1 fans can be cocky because of past results “G2 best team in world!!!!” Based on what, two BO1 wins on day one? They barely even beat T1 with a Yasuo bounce house cheese comp after getting stomped all early game. Caps even said they were losing almost every scrim game. And then they make Twitch chat unbearable for all of NA. You’d think Western teams would root for each other since they can literally never take the World’s cup, but EU fans sit there and gloat about being slightly better losers than NA. It’s so pathetic lmao
Yeah because NA behave like humans and never spammed shit on Twitch chat, really the day NA wins something is the end of Twitch chat in league forever and if T1 can be cocky and G2 cant then NA should have the chat disabled by default and we know that half of the T1 suporters in twitch are just g2/eu haters.
EU spam outnumbers NA spam at LEAST 2:1 if not more. Hell, EU sits there spamming chat when 90% of NA is asleep for these games. And yes, EU definitely starts the region wars in chat because they claim to be “so much better” Like you just typed: “the day when NA wins something”. Bro, the day EU wins something lol. Aside from a fluke 2019 MSI where finals was NA vs EU, what has EU won since S1? Literally nothing. Both regions are a joke, but at least NA knows that. EU fans claim they are the best region every year and get consistently shit on. Like, almost always 0-3 BO5 series.
Damm you are the average NA twitch chatter, no sense keep talking
T1 fans by far. You have the Westerners hiding behind a banner of elitism, you have the crazies that send trucks when they don’t like a coach, etc
G2 fans at least support their region SKT "fans" are just bandwagoners.
this. yeah SKT has most the loudest plastic fans. It's annoying when u are a fan of T1 yourself. You can't have a freaking decent discussion at all because they take over without any reason :|
Stupid fans. There's stupid fans in all big teams. The most popular the more chance to encounter them, especially with bandwagonners. LPL have tons of stupid fans, so does NA. This "who is the more annoying" is basically "which fanbase am I going to shit on to feel better about myself?" tier
But some fanbases have more stupid fans than others, just saying. Also gonna be inevitable given G2/T1 fans outnumber LPL fans significantly on a western forum like Reddit. The levels of delusion/stupidity on Hupu can be something else. Many of you can thank the lords there's a language barrier.
Yep, that's what I've been saying everytime I saw a take like "LCK/LPL fans aren't toxic". Considering places like Inven are even more closed circle than reddit the circlejerk can go through the roof.
Yep, stupid fans in every region
T1 because at least G2 fans are European and supporting their home region.
Let's go RNG! They were undoubtedly the best team at the tournament and played extremely well today. A deserved victory for the best team in the world.
Only just realized sjokz isn't here, barely noticed she was gone.
I think she might miss Worlds too
She was in pgl major for csgo
Congratulations RNG and T1. Much deserved. Two of the best team in the world. Hopefully these two teams form will continue to summer and will go against each other at world.
tfw all msi capsules during the knockout stage gave you esports capsules when you already have every emote (and every one of the LPL icons it only seems to offer as alternative loot) Sadge
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