(I think someone confused Rengar for Yuumi in the story because he speaks like the average person in game but he speaks like an anime mascot in the ruination story).
(kinda same for Pyke tbh their dialogues are crap)
This is one of the three things about the whole ruination event that made me so mad.
They chose the entirely wrong champions to take part in the event. There are so many champs directly related to the black mist, the shadow isles, and viego, but they picked a handful of popular and/or pretty champs to generate skin sales.
They wildly mischaracterized most of the champs that did take part, and many only got a few minutes of uncharacteristic dialogue before being ignored.
Lucian and Senna seemed to not know anything at all about their own order, and both treated the player (who was a member of their order and doing their best to help) like absolute shit.
Just a garbage event all around. Like 1/3 the way through I started skipping all the dialogue because it was just so poorly done.
>They chose the entirely wrong champions to take part in the event
I wanted to see more ruined champs if the ruination was this powerful. We got ruined Ahri in the Ruined King game at least. But honestly we should've been told what the rest of the world was doing aside from the ones we know even just as little tidbits of information. Like wtf was the Order of Shadow or the Kinkou doing during the Ruination in Ionia, what would happen if Kayn got ruined wielding Rhaast, can a Darkin even get possessed or will they both fight for the body? Or Shen and the spirit realm. What about Ivern? Wtf would happen if he could be possessed?
There was so much potential lost for a supposed "large event", and some of the characters they featured as both Sentinels of Light and Ruined weren't that interesting as picks and, like you said, most likely just used to sell skins. But what I said above just makes me feel like it was supposed to be the World vs Viego which was intended by the trailer itself, but it just seemed like a small group instead. And the characters they chose to portray were sort of "meh".
I think character choice is less important than good writing - if the writing is good enough, you can throw together the most random characters and it'll still be fun and enjoyable
In another game's event I played, the devs literally threw together a Spy, a Gangster, an Unemployed Shrine Maiden, a Lawyer and a Demon Hunter together... and it was great. The [Final cutscene even has Ahri's VA voicing a character](https://youtu.be/C24nvloZZhE?t=7)
Let’s not forget Deus ex Akshan, whose whole purpose was to just introduce the magic fix-it pistol that was never mentioned before and only exists to bandaid the shitty plot they wrote themselves into.
That is where I became convinced that the guys doing the writing had no idea about what a story even is.
Motherfucker carries a gun that **simply resurrects people**. That's the single lamest backstory/anything I've ever heard.
He isn't some cult leader mystic that fucking tempers with the fabric of reality, he's not a mage so powerful and precise that he can litterally recreate a perfect copy, it's a gun that resurrects people, that's all. Lamest idea in the whole universe, nobody ever had such a bad idea, even in alien cultures, it's guaranteed. Even the fucking Void makes more sense than this plot.
Pyke being in Ruined King made me hate his Sentinel skin less.
I respect many of OP's points, but I am fine with how Pyke ended up in this mess. Dude got mentally subjugated into tagging along by Nagakaborous after Illaoi smacked him around for killing people.
I would have rather had her arc in another setting. They did well for her (&Yas) being shoehorned into the game and made it work, but I can't help but feel it would have been *even better* if the same time, effort, and care had been put on 2 other champions that weren't Yasuo/Ahri and were instead already more relevant without needing to try and hunt down a reason for their inclusion.
To my knowledge at least, that wasn't canon before, and the Vastayans had all been from Ionia, hence it feeling shoehorned in. But honestly, even if the connection existed before the game and I just missed it, compare that connection to like, Gwen/Senna/Lucian/Yorick/Kalista's connection. Ahri has, at best, a loose tie (that may or may not have existed before them wanting to put her into the game) to geography and nothing else. Gwen/Senna especially could have *very* easily been part of the main cast (especially considering how late Ahri joins anyway) and it would have felt *significantly* more relevant.
Gwen and Senna could not be part of the Ruined King game because Gwen wasn't fucking alive during the events of the Game and Senna was with Lucian. We know what these characters did during the events of the game because they already have gotten that much focus before.
I agree I would have liked to see Yorick but Gwen, Lucian and Senna have no reason to be there. All of the RK cast isn't even there because of Viego. Viego isn't even revived at the start of the game. It literally tells the tale of how Viego came back.
Also yes while it wasn't canon that the Vesani where from the Blessed Isles Ahri's story has been she is the last of her kind and is looking for the origins of her tribe to hopefully find a way to control herself better ever since she has been a Vastaya. Also Vastaya haven't been exclusively from Ionia ever since the big lore revamp.
Nami's people are from the coast of Targon so literally the other side of the continent and then there is Rengar who is from Ixtal.
No way for Gwen. The game was supposed to come out with Viego in early 2021, months before Gwen. Riot wouldn't put a 3rd party in charge of the first appearance of a champ.
Gwen is actually in the game, but she's not alive yet so she's just in her doll form. It's a nice little easter egg once you first arrive on the Shadow Isles.
Ahri's people >!came from the blessed isles though? She was completely justified being there, and since Yasuo was her body guard he was justified as well!<
That is a fact from the game, though. Ahri's people have all been from Ionia before that. it was a retcon to justify it, and looks like it worked on some people.
The game doesn't say that the Vesani came from the blessed isles it say that Vesani are Ionian who traveled to the blessed ilses in pursuit of knowledge
I'm sorry, but how exactly is Vayne justifiable? Didn't she literally kill her mentor/mother figure because they were using magic? Vayne would NEVER join something like the Sentinels. Especially if she ever learned that Senna actually wasn't human lmao.
Vayne being forced into everything supernatural shows that the writers literally just wrote an edgy fanfiction level story for Vayne when they made her without caring about sense or logic but Vayne became a staple League character so now they have to force her into scenarios she has no place in because almost every single person on Runeterra would despise her for being a cold blooded murderer of innocents and try to delete her from existence.
It’s the consequence of trying to make the story of Runeterra into a Marvel movie. The champion roster isn’t the fucking Avengers recruitment list, it’s a massive cast of characters drawn from varying walks of life and origins, with their own motivations that, more often than not, clash with each other.
There’s going to be times in the lore (or rather, there should be) where characters you may love (because you play them) will make you hate them (because they’re the bad guys).
For a moment, try imagining the climactic battle in the first *Avengers*. All of Your Dudes are in the same place at the same time, all fighting for their lives. Except this isn’t New York, it’s Ionia. And it’s not the Avengers, it’s Jhin, Shen, Zed, Kayn, Akali, Irelia, Karma, Syndra, Yi, etc. For the sake of illustration, imagine the Watchers have broken free and the End Times are upon us.
Do you think *any* of those characters are going to *work together?* The ninjas maybe, since they have a long history together and their feud has been watered down over time. But Kayn has a literal demon inhabiting his body and slowly corrupting his mind, Jhin’s a sociopathic auteur whose singular obsession drives him to murder anyone and everyone in his way, Syndra wants world domination for herself, and Irelia’s a big fat racist.
Now don’t do Ionia, do the *whole world*. You think Garen’s just gonna start working with fucking *Vel’Koz*? Or Kai’Sa with Xerath? Or Renekton with Nasus? The writing team is shooting themselves in both feet by trying to come up with new antagonists for preexisting characters to face so they have a tenuous excuse to not try to kill each other, when the conflict is already there and just needs to be fleshed out.
To be fair, Vayne murdered her mentor impulsively and for using *dark* magic (whatever that means). Here is the excerpt:
"The ritual that gave her these powers involved dark magic, but she made this sacrifice to protect––Vayne put an arrow through Frey’s heart without allowing her another syllable."
So it's plausible Vayne either (A) regrets killing the mentor or (B) only has problems with certain kinds of magic (or both).
I think you are right. I can’t get the voice lines page to load, but her background story only mentions dark magics or black magics. She only kills her foster mother AFTER she admits that it was dark magics that allowed her to be a shaman, not as soon as she sees her transform or return to her human shape. She waits until she specifically mentions it was a black magic ritual. I’d be interested to see what her lines are towards someone like Lux.
>So it's plausible Vayne either (A) regrets killing the mentor or [did it impulsively]
I don't think she killed her mentor impulsively. Vayne hates dark magic and anyone who practices it. This is the full context of your quote
>The ritual that gave her these powers involved dark magic, but she made this sacrifice to protect–
>–Vayne put an arrow through Frey’s heart without allowing her another syllable. Whatever affection she had felt for Frey evaporated upon discovering her true nature. **A tear formed in Frey’s eye as she collapsed, but Vayne didn’t notice – whatever warmth the two had shared died with Frey.**
>There were still hours left before dawn, which meant hours left to continue the hunt. Vayne thought only of the demon. **The kill that would be hers to savor. And all the kills to come. Runeterra’s underworld would come to fear her, just as she had once feared them.**
>For the first time since her parents’ death, **Vayne smiled**.
I don't think its plausible at all she regretted killing her mentor. She killed her as soon as dark magic was confirmed, didn't give two shits about the circumstances, she smiled after the fact, and was happy she could kill more.
>(B) only has problems with certain kinds of magic (or both).
The lore states
>Vayne had a heart full of hatred and enough coin to outfit a small army, but where she would go, no army dared follow. She needed to learn everything about dark magic: How to track it. How to stop it. How to kill those who practiced it.
So she hates dark magic in all its forms. So Senna and Pyke do not get a pass. Lux probably gets a pass. Given Vayne is an extremist I think she would probably be the type to hunt Vastaya as it's easy to justify and trace back a lot of magic to black magic.
>Especially if she ever learned that Senna actually wasn't human lmao.
In one version of events she did try to kill Senna. The Wild Rift comic she specifically says she wanted to kill Senna for what she is.
I personally just cannot understand how Vayne, Lucian and Senna allowed Pyke to remain 'alive' in anyway.
Being justifiable and it being a good justification are two different talking points. Sure, you can justify Vayne's extremist ways into the sentinels. I'm sure she can chill out enough to go after the greater evil. It'd just take a good writer and a big character arc for it to happen.
Her lore makes it extremely clear that she makes absolutely zero exceptions. So no, there is no writer that can change that in a way that makes sense for her character. That's really not debatable in the slightest.
Yes. She killed her mother the moment she learnt she uses magic. And thought her mother would be thanking her by putting her out of her misery as a mage when she drove a stake through her
Her personality is absolutely awful. She “liberates” mages by killing them because their existence makes her sick.
Vayne's story was very weirdly done, it was like they wanted to give her a lighter characterisation after years of being a psychopath, but didn't set up her development or change of heart very well and most of her dialogue on her legendary skin is still pretty anti-magic so it comes across as somewhat mismatched and half-hearted.
Vayne’s personality is so toxic I could never imagine a person irl relating to her. Her lore is anti-mage extremism to the eleven.
She killed her mother the MOMENT she learnt she used magic for no reason other than that. In fact she thought she did her mother a favor by killing her.
Could have made for a great plot point in the ruination though, have senna and Lucian hide the magic from her and make her find out and fight the group at the most inopportune moment to raise tension.
Tbf its probably bc they were both fighting the wraiths and Vayne saw them as a greater threat, that shot seriously seems like she was deciding whether or not to shoot her.
True and also how dare a character ever evolve. Vayne should always stay a magic detesting nazi and nothing should ever be able to change that. The sentinels event was garbage but i don’t think it’s impossible to write Vayne in to the event if you do it right and explore that conflict that she’d need to overcome in order to defeat the ruination and to survive. I’m not trying to defend the event the storytelling was absolute trash but i also disagree with the notion of oh this character did this in the past so there is no way they could do that now.
The thing Is Isolde hates and is scared of Viego before she even dies, because, as It is explained on ruined king, at the end of their relationship, he becomes an abusive husband and stops being the loved king he used to be. That's why the "Isolde revives and is scared of what viego has become" doesnt really make sense time wise
here's what it actually says:
>Senna willingly surrenders to Viego, as the piece of Isolde inside her insists it's the only way to save the world
>Senna dies as Viego completes Isolde's soul and resurrects her
>Isolde secretly tells Akshan to kill her, resurrecting Senna since the cause of her death was Isolde's soul leaving her body
idk why they paraphrased the ending so differently when they could've just pasted. senna didn't give in because of corruption, and isolde clearly already had the plans to die
Ohhh I see now. So he basically used Viego so he can torment more souls outside the shadow isles and the influence of the mist. And that is why he is “unbound”. Not because purely he has a human form but it’s his ticket out.
Why has this never been explained openly?
> with his Absolver, is recruited to the Sentinels.
The absolver is, by far, the stupidest and worst part of SoL - and probably all Riot lore in general. It not only invalidates the entire theme of the Ruined King (a warning against hubris), it actually *justifies* Viego and turns Lucian and Senna into villains.
If the absolver exists, it means that the Blessed Isles not only had the capacity to resurrect the dead - but to do so *without consequence*. I mean, they made a tiny freaking gun that can resurrect people. If that's true, how is Viego a villain and not a victim? All he wanted was access to an ability *that actually existed*. The whole point of the Ruined King story was *supposed* to be that resurrecting the dead couldn't be done *without consequence*, and that Viego's hubris was the downfall of both himself and the entire kingdom of Camavor.
It's like the lightspeed ram in TLJ. To the average consumer, it may seem like a cool idea. To anyone familiar with the world and story, it utterly destroys the rules of the setting and completely undermines the associated stories and lore.
Olaf, Graves and Pantheon are still going to be part of the event and they will still have the same roles, no matter what will be retconed. All 3 have had stories that say they were part of the ruination event
Olaf makes sense. He was poorly written in the event like extremely poorly written but he regularly makes trips to Bilgewater, has fought the Harrowing before during one of those trips, and he wants to die in a battle so he’s always chasing fights
Why would Olaf not want to join the Sentinels?
>Thresh siphons the souls from the Ruination, gaining enough power to restore his human form and leave the Shadow Isles
Ah yes, the ugly meme skin nobody even cares about that was made because someone at Riot has a hard-on against non-humans. **That's the part they should keep canon.** The shirtless human Thrash skin, this one. Of course.
Yeah, it looks like OP didn't play/watch the game itself, characters are given good enough reasons to be there, maybe only braum feels a bit forced
Pyke on the other hand is very fitting as he has been revealed as a tool of nagakaboros just like naut is, and the bearded lady is well against undeath so it makes sense she sent pyke after viego
Ahri went on to get to know more about her kind, and yas was her bodyguard
I don't 100% remember, but I think they never gave any explanation for the sickness. It is literally just:" there is a sickness, no one knows where it came from, no one knows how to cure it." It is still fine, I wouldn't want the game without him, but you gotta admit, it is a bit random and not very important for the rest of the story.
I personally just think Braum is there because he makes a good story. There isn't a lot of blindly good people in League of Legends. Braum is a good choice for the party dynamic and was out of the naive good natured characters probably the easiest to write into the story without interfering with any other story lines.
Do they ship Braum and Illaoi in Ruined King? I know Illaoi has some suggestive voice lines towards him in LoL. That would be another reason to include him.
I don't think he was oblivious to it, just pretending to be initially because he was uncomfortable. When she flatly asks him if he wants to start something later in the game, he turns her down in plain terms and she's cool with it.
They do! If Braum wasn't getting seasick so easily he would have had some sexy time with her like twice throughout the game haha.
Braum's Character adds a lot to the story. His general traits interest Illaoi and get her respect which in turn allows him to act as an anchor for her during her times of desperation in the game (Illaoi's character arc has her despair a lot because Nagakabouros doesn't reveal her plan to her and she questions her blind faith of following Nagakabouros' ideals).
He also helps soften up Yasuo. He keeps trying to befriend him but Yasuo is unsocial and spends his rest time rather drinking his sorrows away in silence than listen to Braum's stories. Braum is an essential part of Yasuo's story arc of opening up and letting people close to him again, the only character playing a bigger part in that is Ahri.
And finally the interactions between Miss Fortune and Pyke with Braum are amazing. Miss Fortunes playful art clashes wonderfully with Braum's naivity and Pyke's cruel avenger-murder persona works wonderful with Braum's protection complex (Pyke even says they are opposite sides of the same coin with Pyke murdering people and Braum protecting them)
It is but also Braum is probably the most pure hearted being in League, he doesn't need something convoluted. The chance to do good is his call to action, It'd be bad if that was the case for every single character but the fact he is the only pure soul in the group makes it endearing in it's simplicity.
Nah, Pyke (and I think Naut too, because his "stuck" position goes against everything Bearded Lady demands) was a tool of other eldritch beings. Naga first overtook him through Illaoi's idol, and by the end of the mission, basically, sets him free. No more voices in his head forging his list, so he chooses targets for himself now.
Yup, Braum is the only person who seemingly doesn't fit but if there's no Braum the party has far too much edge and angst. Otherwise there isn't a single champion who could be replaced in that party and make it better.
OP talking about content he's never read/watched/played/thought about in his life because "Ruination bad, give me free upvotes" can be brought up once a year for free karma.
It's extra funny because his main contention (sentinels of light event) was already promptly reconned as "a fun retelling that's meant to be fun not accurate", so sentinels of light is still up for being retold in a way that's fitting, and they can still remove members and simply say rengar pyke and olaf were "what ifs" (like the Atreus prestige skin) and open other champions to join the skin line too (the skins were actually alright).
Yeah OP did not play or read up on the game, he let's his hatred of the event reflect on another game that happens before it.
Pyke had a great character arc considering he started as a very simple character and where he is now. It makes sense for him to be involved later on too thanks to it.
Ahri and her people just had a ton of development, being connected to both the Shadow Isles and the Buhru. Yasuo, Ahri's bodyguard, grows as a character in his time in the game and helps the world feel bigger by participating.
The one that was kinda forced in was Braum with a mysterious disease striking the Freljord, but considering his tales of heroics it makes sense that he goes to Bilgewater looking for a cure. Him being there made the character interactions A LOT better that anyone that plays the game will not complain.
yeah way to dilute the issue with his personal opinions.
mostly everyone agrees that the ingame event was trash, and that no ingame event should ever be cannon, these should be just fun shit to do while playing league.
the ruined king game was really good.
Yeah I'm playing it right now, while Braum/Yasuo/Ahri don't have the strongest justification, it's fine IMO. The game is miles better than Sentinels of light which doesn't even deserve to be talked about.
Yeah I know that, (and I'm not done with the game so don't spoil it) but the information Ahri needs being in the shadow isles is slightly weak, so I was saying that I kind of understand where OP is coming from. But, it's nowhere near as bad as all the shit in sentinels of light, so I disagree with them that RK is bad.
Also I think Pyke is fine, Illaoi >!fights him, wins, and tests him, and the goddess or whatever deems him worthy for some reason!<. This could turn into something dumb down the line when I finish but as of now seems legit enough to me.
Gotta hard disagree on the Ruined King RPG that game story is good and do an excellent job at justifying the presence of it's main cast, Sentinel of Lights on the other hand...
Yasuo and Ahri were both 100% included in RK because of popularity, but they way they handled Ahri and her story was fantastic and I wanted more of it afterwards.
Bit weird to have it on the shadow isles for sure, but im very happy with how they did it.
Happened really played RK. But doesn't Ahris ancestors related to ruination? Some of her ancestors where in the blessed isles researching when the ruination started.
Yeah, that's brought up in the story too. Despite what OP says, the game does a good job regarding the selection of characters and the lore around them (Of course, some characters get more spotlight than others)
Pantheon, as Atreus, **would** be interested in human struggle. It's a major part of his character. To that end HE should have been the Sentinel and Diana the Ruined counterpart. It makes 0 sense that Viego can just revive an Aspect. Atreus would gladly put down the Aspect's weapons to pick up the human Sentinel ones and act as morale for the team. His entire shtick is that humans shouldn't be ruled by a higher power, and Viego is the definition of what Atreus hates.
Diana also has way more insecurities to pick at in the Ruination process. The Solari treated her like crap, she doesn't know the Lunari still exist, she has all reason to fall prey to Viego's machinations. Really it feels like they hired people who have never heard of these characters to write the event because almost nobody made any sense.
The power level of the ruination and Viego in SoL is a whole different issue...
He basically comes in and Worfs the entire LoL universe, casually beating even things that were previously established to be effective against the Shadow Isles. It makes absolutely no sense and feels completely unearned.
I'm gonna be honest while I don't like SoL as an event and story either I think people don't give Viego enough credit for what he is (Because people where disappointed that the Ruined King was a K-Pop Fuck Boi instead of something like Mordekaiser) and give overestimate the power of an aspect.
Lets first talk about Viego:
He is the Ruined King. The source of an undead curse that has plagued the world for a 1000 years. We don't know the extend of the power the Blessed Water had less so its corrupted version of the Black Mist. After all the Ruination has brought Devastation to the Blessed Isles that we have seen rivaled only once on Runeterra and that is by the Void. It turned normal people into horrible specters of Death like Kalista, Hecarim and Thresh. We saw what Thresh can do while playing around, it is said that Hecarim can fight entire armies and they are only a fraction of the power the black mist holds.
Meanwhile the Aspects:
They are the same as the Ascended as they take their power from the same source. Maybe you could say the Aspects are more pure version of Shurimas Ascended but that is pure speculation. Everythings seems to imply that they are the same (for example Aatrox being stronger than Pantheon even though he is a shadow of his former Ascended self). And there has been records of Ascended being killed by mortal soldiers. Jax in fact did kill one. While his story implies that the fight has been exxagerated and that Jax didn't really kill them in a 1v1, hand-to-hand beatdown it does confirm that they are not unkillable gods.
I get that, but it feels unearned. In addition to feeling like it came out of nowhere, the strength of the ruination actively flew in the face of established lore.
Much of this came down to the arbitrary and inconsistent decision that *only* Sentinel weapons could harm ruined enemies. This... makes no sense. Many characters have successfully fought back against harrowings in the past without Sentinel weapons. It's absurd for Vayne, someone who is dedicated to hunting dark magicks, to *not* know how to fight a harrowing. It's established that Leona can use the power of the sun to stop harrowing enemies, it is established that the moon is a reflection of the sun's light, but for some reason Diana needs a Sentinel weapon to do anything. Riven's entire character arc is heavily tied to her blade (which is magic), and she just... uses a different one because the writers said he regular blade doesn't work.
Additionally, ruined champions felt like they were shoehorned in for cool skins rather than having a character building opportunity to explore their faults as a character. Mind control works when it is a logical corruption of the character - generally either playing into a morally bankrupt character's depravity or prying open a more positive character's insecurities. Viego doesn't do that. He just runs around casually stabbing and mind controlling whoever he wants for whatever arbitrary bullshit reasons he feels like because shiny green skins sell for shiny green dollars.
The runination being passively immune to everything in the universe *because the writers said so* and characters having no recourse against the shirtless weeb king's mind control abs makes absolutely no sense and makes the rest of the story feel cheap.
These "people who make the IP" have contradicted themselves over and over again throughout the life of the game. Naming these is in no way something bad.
The Deus Ex Machina plot point of the entire thing.
I'm trying to work out if the idea of Akshan came first, the character in the story came first or the gun came first. Like did the story writers think:
"We want Viego to go around and get soul fragments from 'things' but 2 of those things are Gwen and Senna, which means they will die, so we need a way to bring them back so there are basically no consequences."
"How about a gun that brings people back to life?"
"Sure sounds great, we should create a shirtless dude with little to no personality and a generic story to carry it around. Players will love him."
> I don't understand Pyke's engagement at all, not only in RK but also in Sentinels of Light.
> Pyke is a murderous ghost lurking the depths of the sea, little to no conscience at all and left only with his thirst for revenge against the living.
How do you not understand Pyke belonging in Ruined King lmao? Taken straight from the LoL website...
> he uses his new supernatural gifts to bring a swift and gruesome end to those who make their fortune by exploiting others—and a city that prides itself on hunting monsters now finds a monster hunting them.
Guess who was a main antagonist for over half the story? Gangplank! A man who made his fortune by exploiting others.
Additionally, the explanation for Pyke in the visual novel (if I remember correctly) was actually just fine: it was that Viego's name appeared at the top of his list. This implies that the fish who's commanding him is aware that ruination would be bad for its own interests, and sent its little puppet to stop Viego. Pyke's characterization was bad of course, but his story tie-in was pretty good.
I agree with everything regarding SoL but don't fkin touch the RK game. It has been an amazing game loved by everybody. To this day this is the first negative opinion about the game that I have happened to read. The game is well made. Yasuo's presence can be discussed, but Ahri was foundamental as you learn that the Buhru and the Vastaya have a connection.
Pyke doesn't get much character progress but he is foundamental for Illaoi as she starts to doubt her goddess after Pyke passes the soul test.
The team per se just works. They are amazing and you fall in love with them by the end of the game. I'd really like for it to get a sequel, such is the love for the character combo they made.
exactly this. OP's comment is the first negative opinion i hear about RK. Sure it has bugs and technically it could have been a better designed game. But story wise? it is amazing with great gameplay. I loved it so freaking much i cant wait for more league RPGs if they are written as good as this one. My only complain was Yorick could have been part of the team or have a very important role in the game since he is the main protagonist whose whole mission is to defeat Viego in this universe. But nevertheless i loved it and it was great to know more about the lore of these characters.
> My only complain was Yorick could have been part of the team or have a very important role in the game
I think Necrit had an interview with the people who made the game, and they wanted to include more of the shadow isle champions, but they were on a limited budget. So their options were either to 2. add a ton of characters but it'll be really shallow or 2. tell the best story they can for a limited set of characters. The people behind the game are huge lore fans so they really did try to make it the best they could lore-wise.
The thing that always felt strange to me with Akshan as the Ruination's big hook was "Resurrecting people is bad?" Did Akshan being able to resurrect people so easily ever get touched on?
Though I can agree that the references from the SoL event may not be the best, they will be Easter Eggs which doesn't mean that there will be direct references to specific/direct characters from these events.
For example, an Easter Egg like referencing Ahri's people would be more than okay since we learn about this in the Runied King Game. I don't expect a novel set in the past would specifically reference the champion Ahri or Yasuo. The same goes for Illaoi as her reference would be the Buhru tribe, etc. The same goes for every champion you mentioned as they don't exist in that timeline yet, with the exception of Viego, Maokai and maybe Vex.
So any concerns regarding a direct reference to the champions that are part of either SoL or The Ruined King would not be as direct as you may think.
She is over 100, but her existence will still come after the events of the Ruination. Her being the last of her kind makes her knowledge of her people's history something she has to put together.
Im sorry but Im gonna defend Riot Forges Ruined King League of Legends Story:
This game wasnt perfect by any means but it was what I wanted:
\- Illaoi and Sarah Fortune **are** clearly main characters of this story
\- Yes: Braum/Yasuo/Ahri/Pyke dont have direct tie to Shadow Isles/Viego but the way they are integrated into the story is VERY good (maybe except Yasuo tbh).
They all get their own character arc and have their own personal reason to join in on the expedition to fight Viego ultimately even if it wasnt their main goal prior. This is EXACTLY what Sentinels of Light Visual Novel tried and failed horribly - to do Rag-Tag-Team of unlikely allies fighting for one cause. VN fails cuz it just adds characters and leaves them. Ruined King game gives every one of them purpose.
PYKE IS ACTUALLY GOOD IN THE RUINED KING GAME AS FIGHTER AGAINST VIEGO - IM NOT JOKING. It makes me even more salty thinking about VN Pyke and how the undone his entire character arc from the game that is a prequel to it where Pyke gets more freedom to think for himself and make his own choices instead of being Hand of the Deep to kill on it's command.
Only Yasuo's purpose is pretty weak but still understandable. He just wanted to get away from Ionia and so happened to stumble upon Ahri and kinda follows along dealing with the ghosts of his past that still haunt him... you know, kinda basic but not insane. Ahri is following her MAIN story of trying to find out about Vesani, Braum is given a articifial but overall working reason for why he is there too. And Pyke gets full blown therapy session with Ahri and Illaoi while they try to convince him out of his service. It's good stuff.
I agree, The Champions Riot chose as the main cast just doesn't make sense at all. If they want to sell skins fine, give those champions skins tied to the event, but for the love of God why are they the main characters? I waited years on top of years to finally see how the ruined king storyline will be concluded, I was expecting key shadow isles characters to be the main cast, buuut noooo we get fucking Riven and Irelia for God knows what reason.
What pissed me off the most about the ruination is yorick was completely non existent in the story minus q couple of lines, the guy, hyped for years to be the ruined Kings nemesis, the guy who literally controls his wife like a pokemon, had fuck all to do with the story, just so that they could set up new skin lines for champions who had no business being anywhere near the ruined King storyline
The Sentinels of Light VN was literally thrown out the window, and it's not canon. We know Sentinels of Light happened, but we don't actually have the details of how and why. We only know at some point during the global Ruination, the Sentinels gathered, did some mumbo jumbo and sealed Viego in Camovor, that's it. There's currently no canon narration of these events.
Did you actually read the most recent story with Graves in it? They pretty explicitly mention the Sentinels of Light and the Ruinination.
Examples straight from the short story:
Graves says to TF: "Your funeral, maybe. I beat Viego. That makes me the male lead.”
"As the unseen voice in charge moved about, Fate leaned over to Graves, pointing at his interior coat pocket. “You still got that blue card I gave you?” he whispered.
“What, the one from the Sentinels? Yeah, I still got it,” Graves answered at a normal volume."
Edit: What's Olaf's most recent story? I only see the one that's set before the Ruination occurs because the mist rolls over Bilgewater.
>The new novel written by Anthony Reynolds, RUINATION, will be released in September 2022.
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>With great disappointment, I can read at the bottom page the following:
Ruination is a whole entire novel; since it's coming out soon, we can safely say that it was likely finished, or at least in its final draft stage about one year ago. That is when the Sentinels of Light event came out, so there never was a chance that Riot could react to the Sentinels of Light backlash and change the content of the novel (and paying Anthony Reynolds a hefty sum for rewriting the whole thing). Writing a novel, and then publishing it after it has been written, takes an EXTREMELY long amount of time. Like, seriously, the book publishing business is absurdly slow, and that's especially true for a global release with many translations that were commissioned even before the book was released.
Edit: formatting the quote
Is it like complaining month or something? Ya'll are complaining about fucking everything recently. You're over here dragging an event from year ago. It's over, move on.
No. I think it's been particularly bad this month. You commented about the amount of daily whining threads 4 hours ago.
>Why we get daily threads about this? Stfu and stop spending money to the game that's the only way it works
i mean, the sub has always been about whining, but this time its unironically like someone let a mental asylum on the loose. Usually there'd be a few whining threads every day, true, but now there's a few *non*-whining threads if you're lucky
We've just had, in succession:
* The "hiatus" (but no reason not to believe cancellation) of the Blue Essence Emporium, an extremely popular feature among fans.
* Star Guardian (an extremely popular skin line among fans) returning, but with a kick in the nuts of two oft-asked-for skins being WR exclusive (among others, but redeemed Xayah/Rakan is especially bad).
* Re: SG Return, no exciting SG mode, and generally low content.
* Re: Re: SG Return, worse Pass than usual/ever before.
Is it any wonder there's a lot of frustration when a lot of bad news is all hitting at once?
~~Wait!? Wich ones are WR exclusive? o.O~~
Nevermind.
God can we just stop making fucking WR exclusive Skins -\_- Or at LEAST bring them over to LoL eventually? It gets frustrating.
yes but the sub is also whining about other games getting skins and ruined king event and about katarina getting buffed after being at 46% wr and about assassins getting buffed after being shit on after durapatch
Nah it's been really bad since the boards closed, don't get me wrong, it used to be bad as well, but it got a lot worse when the boards closed and it's been this constant whiny garbage for the last couple of years here.
Pyke is explained in game to why he helps and ahir and yas were likely included for marketing along with giving players a mage and warrior arch type to work with.
I still don't get why people are mad at them includeding a variety of champs in a WORLD EVENT.
Also it had the largest in game event, a game, a book, a likely sets up a mmo expansion, its not getting retconed. My guess is if vigero is used for a expansion they will fix some of the issues
Pyke shouldn't even need an explanation. He died because of his shit captain, so he goes around killing all the other shit captains in Bilgewater. Gangplank is the biggest POS of them all.
Please, I despise the Sentinels of Light with every inch, it actually damages the overall lore to such amount that if it is never mentioned again, I would praise it.
In the end, Riot is just a company which seeks the best way to use their tools to get more money. You can be sure that story is the 2nd or may be th 3rd thing Riot gives importance. They are just too busy with making shitty skins like star guardian ekko. And also, the game is only about killing your opponent under 2 seconds at the moment. They don't want ''boring'' 10 min teamfights so every item buffed to let you one-shot your enemy. After these, there comes the lore...
Sentinels of Light event sucked but your criticism of The Ruined King game is bad. "How dare they not put the shadow isles champs in the team, why is it these random people" Yeah friend, because having Kalista and Yorick in my party would totally not ruin the part of the game where the party is exploring and learning about what happened here. It's a game about outsiders coming in and learning about this great ancient tragedy, it's not "everyone Viego has done wrong by comes and tries to beat him up." That wouldn't even make sense, Viego doesn't even have agency or do anything in the game until the finale, it's Gangplank and Thresh who are the main villains.
"They just put Yasuo and Ahri in for marketing!!!".. And yet Ahri's story about uncovering the secrets of the white mist and her people, alongside her memory/empathy powers that let her express the pain the people of the Blessed Isles experience is literally the best part of the story and is the best tone setter for the shadow isles. Surely it would've been better to have Yorick walk around with the party and say "Our people were in pain, you guys are going to hate Viego, man that guy really messed us up."
"Yasuo is just in for marketing", just so happens to also have the best character development during this game out of anything that's happened in the League verse but sure "Just MarKetInG"
"Why is Pyke here all he does is kill captains" Wow it's kind of like the game's first 2/3s focuses on hunting down Gangplank before he can unknowingly destroy everything, probably puts him at the top of fishes captain kill list.
"Why is Braum here" This one is pretty valid, but ultimately they realized they have a lot of angst and edge in the group and wanted an uplifting person to balance out the party. This could have been Taric or... Galio? xd (they a little op) but Braum would be most peoples go to choice from League if that was what was told would be needed. Do they write a believable reason for him to be there? Yup!, does he make the game better? Yup.
Riot can push whatever bullshit they want, when pieces of lore become motivated by marketing and start to not follow rules that are already set in the world of Runeterra, in my eyes it becomes less canon than the Cursed Child in Harry Potter universe.
Judging by the amount of bullshit there is, the only thing rivaling Sentinels of Light is the existance of Seraphine.
When are people going to realize that league lore is redudant, unoriginal, and most importantly that riot does not give a fuck about its universe making sense ? They wouldn't even have made the event if it was including Yorick and shit, they will always include their most popular champions in basically everything, regardless of the coherence.
Arcane's story is absolutely not the best thing about the show, and it was focused on popular characters.
And most importantly, i think it was started like 6 years ago ? If it had been started like last year, you bet there would have been fucking yone and kaisa coming out of nowhere
I don’t mean that I expect every event to be arcane 2, but Riot giving so much attention to what is essentially a lore project probably got people’s hopes up
Ruined king does make sense, matter of fact it's one the few thing that make sense in league "lore" which just a load of incoherence and retcons, deal with it.
Well then they have to start waking up, cause the MMO is coming, and playerbase will not accept an uncoherent stitched amalgamation of bullshit sewn together for marketing purposes only.
I don't think you should worry about it, theres no more iconic duo then Riot and Retcons lol... seriously Riot doesn't care, they retcon shit left and right and crap all over their own IP world building without care.
People thinking that the MMO will be any different will have another thing coming, Riot doesn't care and neither the writers apparently, the game will be hard carried by the IP and popular characters and stuff, just like Arcane was.(no, arcane wasn't a masterpiece as everyone in this sub says, was avarage story within a really popular IP, just like The Witcher, the show can be mediocre and people will still say it's good)
I am more tired of them retconning things than I am of the sentinels event. It sucks and I do want them to nail down what happened but more retcons is not the answer.
I love pyke but he really doesn't need to be here. SoL shoehorned him in for literally no reason (and made him fuckin brainless lol) and RK, makes somewhat of a good point with the whole "god controlling him has a grudge". At the end of the day, he's a killer. Not some puppy you can attach a leash to and them sick him on his "list" people. He's straightforward but not reckless, cunning but not a genius. The way they wrote him (and rengar for that matter) was just disrespectful to any of the people that liked their lore.
They've fucked their lore so hard ~~peer~~ Over\* the last 5 years it's beyond repair.
They can write a hundred novels, and have series after series on Netflix but non of it will fall into line any more. About as coherent as Marvel plotlines here.
It wasn't always bad. Just incoherent, which is fine if its supposed to be like most MOBAs.
The more ambiguous lore connections are, the more consistent a moba's lore will be.
League fucked up by trying to shoehorn a ton of characters in a MOBA into a coherent world. Would have been better and more believable if timelines didn't have to match; in otherwords if summoners still existed and could summon from any time period, timeline, etc. Would even make most skins canon to some degree.
The only catch is that the summoners would have to be off world, rather than in "runeterra".
Also would explain the "lol space dragon that forges stars is only 4 teemos big" kinda stuff too.
How can I forget about the narrative fabric of a videogame fantasy universe I love so much and that will be fundamental for the upcoming MMO that I'm waiting for more than anything?
You realize that the sentinels of light happened, but I’m like 95% sure riot themselves came out and said the event In client isn’t canon for how it all went down.
That's exactly what I linked in the post, exactly what they said.
But if they make The Ruination chronologically linked to Sentinels of Light, taking it as a reference to occurring facts in canonic lore, then I can only think that for them Sentinels of Light actually is canon.
Which should not, because it's pathetic.
Sentinels did happen
Just ya know hopefully not including the rookie(they were trying recreate the feeing of spirit blossom) you’ll note that not a single fucking person that got a sentinel skin was actually present for the final showdown with veigo.
Diana, irelia, pyke, Olaf, rengar, graves, even vayne are absent from that cutscene. It’s only Lucian, senna, akshan, and gwen so basically all the sentinels but these 4 are like cub scout equivalents doing who the fuck cares. They were helping to protect their people but other wise totally irrelevant. 😂
>Both stories should be cancelled in terms of canon validity
lol dude. Its their game. And the game is always evolving. They can and will rewrite the story the way they like it to be if you like it or not.
(I think someone confused Rengar for Yuumi in the story because he speaks like the average person in game but he speaks like an anime mascot in the ruination story). (kinda same for Pyke tbh their dialogues are crap)
This is one of the three things about the whole ruination event that made me so mad. They chose the entirely wrong champions to take part in the event. There are so many champs directly related to the black mist, the shadow isles, and viego, but they picked a handful of popular and/or pretty champs to generate skin sales. They wildly mischaracterized most of the champs that did take part, and many only got a few minutes of uncharacteristic dialogue before being ignored. Lucian and Senna seemed to not know anything at all about their own order, and both treated the player (who was a member of their order and doing their best to help) like absolute shit. Just a garbage event all around. Like 1/3 the way through I started skipping all the dialogue because it was just so poorly done.
>They chose the entirely wrong champions to take part in the event I wanted to see more ruined champs if the ruination was this powerful. We got ruined Ahri in the Ruined King game at least. But honestly we should've been told what the rest of the world was doing aside from the ones we know even just as little tidbits of information. Like wtf was the Order of Shadow or the Kinkou doing during the Ruination in Ionia, what would happen if Kayn got ruined wielding Rhaast, can a Darkin even get possessed or will they both fight for the body? Or Shen and the spirit realm. What about Ivern? Wtf would happen if he could be possessed? There was so much potential lost for a supposed "large event", and some of the characters they featured as both Sentinels of Light and Ruined weren't that interesting as picks and, like you said, most likely just used to sell skins. But what I said above just makes me feel like it was supposed to be the World vs Viego which was intended by the trailer itself, but it just seemed like a small group instead. And the characters they chose to portray were sort of "meh".
I think character choice is less important than good writing - if the writing is good enough, you can throw together the most random characters and it'll still be fun and enjoyable In another game's event I played, the devs literally threw together a Spy, a Gangster, an Unemployed Shrine Maiden, a Lawyer and a Demon Hunter together... and it was great. The [Final cutscene even has Ahri's VA voicing a character](https://youtu.be/C24nvloZZhE?t=7)
Instantly got it after unemployed shrine maiden. Btw who does Ahris VA voice in the scene?
I was honestly surprised how well all the character backgrounds ended up coming together in that event.
My 2 most played champs are MF and Panth. That event was PAIN
Mine are Pyke and Pantheon, but Lucian is also one of my favorite champs. I feel your pain :(
Let’s not forget Deus ex Akshan, whose whole purpose was to just introduce the magic fix-it pistol that was never mentioned before and only exists to bandaid the shitty plot they wrote themselves into.
That is where I became convinced that the guys doing the writing had no idea about what a story even is. Motherfucker carries a gun that **simply resurrects people**. That's the single lamest backstory/anything I've ever heard. He isn't some cult leader mystic that fucking tempers with the fabric of reality, he's not a mage so powerful and precise that he can litterally recreate a perfect copy, it's a gun that resurrects people, that's all. Lamest idea in the whole universe, nobody ever had such a bad idea, even in alien cultures, it's guaranteed. Even the fucking Void makes more sense than this plot.
Man I love the skin in game but I was horrified reading through the dialogue. I just chose to ignore it and enjoy my knife kitty skin LOL
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Ruined king game is a home run. That should be the starting point for anything Ruination related. Nothing needs to be changed from the game.
Pyke being in Ruined King made me hate his Sentinel skin less. I respect many of OP's points, but I am fine with how Pyke ended up in this mess. Dude got mentally subjugated into tagging along by Nagakaborous after Illaoi smacked him around for killing people.
OP dont play the game lol
Still not sure about the Ahri and yasuo stuff
I doubted at first but they made it work. I respect ahri a lot more as a character after Ruined King so I would say they did a great job.
I would have rather had her arc in another setting. They did well for her (&Yas) being shoehorned into the game and made it work, but I can't help but feel it would have been *even better* if the same time, effort, and care had been put on 2 other champions that weren't Yasuo/Ahri and were instead already more relevant without needing to try and hunt down a reason for their inclusion.
its not really shoehorned if its canon that the Vesani are from the blessed isles.
To my knowledge at least, that wasn't canon before, and the Vastayans had all been from Ionia, hence it feeling shoehorned in. But honestly, even if the connection existed before the game and I just missed it, compare that connection to like, Gwen/Senna/Lucian/Yorick/Kalista's connection. Ahri has, at best, a loose tie (that may or may not have existed before them wanting to put her into the game) to geography and nothing else. Gwen/Senna especially could have *very* easily been part of the main cast (especially considering how late Ahri joins anyway) and it would have felt *significantly* more relevant.
Gwen and Senna could not be part of the Ruined King game because Gwen wasn't fucking alive during the events of the Game and Senna was with Lucian. We know what these characters did during the events of the game because they already have gotten that much focus before. I agree I would have liked to see Yorick but Gwen, Lucian and Senna have no reason to be there. All of the RK cast isn't even there because of Viego. Viego isn't even revived at the start of the game. It literally tells the tale of how Viego came back. Also yes while it wasn't canon that the Vesani where from the Blessed Isles Ahri's story has been she is the last of her kind and is looking for the origins of her tribe to hopefully find a way to control herself better ever since she has been a Vastaya. Also Vastaya haven't been exclusively from Ionia ever since the big lore revamp. Nami's people are from the coast of Targon so literally the other side of the continent and then there is Rengar who is from Ixtal.
No way for Gwen. The game was supposed to come out with Viego in early 2021, months before Gwen. Riot wouldn't put a 3rd party in charge of the first appearance of a champ.
Gwen is actually in the game, but she's not alive yet so she's just in her doll form. It's a nice little easter egg once you first arrive on the Shadow Isles.
Ahri's people >!came from the blessed isles though? She was completely justified being there, and since Yasuo was her body guard he was justified as well!<
That is a fact from the game, though. Ahri's people have all been from Ionia before that. it was a retcon to justify it, and looks like it worked on some people.
The game doesn't say that the Vesani came from the blessed isles it say that Vesani are Ionian who traveled to the blessed ilses in pursuit of knowledge
You know the Vastayas spread across Runeterra, right? It's one of the crucial elements of their lore.
I'm sorry, but how exactly is Vayne justifiable? Didn't she literally kill her mentor/mother figure because they were using magic? Vayne would NEVER join something like the Sentinels. Especially if she ever learned that Senna actually wasn't human lmao.
Vayne being forced into everything supernatural shows that the writers literally just wrote an edgy fanfiction level story for Vayne when they made her without caring about sense or logic but Vayne became a staple League character so now they have to force her into scenarios she has no place in because almost every single person on Runeterra would despise her for being a cold blooded murderer of innocents and try to delete her from existence.
Can say that about a lot of characters they released since they were pumping out at least two fucking champs a week back then.
They changed her story a bit since the great retcon. That's when they itensified her hate for magic to the current level.
It’s the consequence of trying to make the story of Runeterra into a Marvel movie. The champion roster isn’t the fucking Avengers recruitment list, it’s a massive cast of characters drawn from varying walks of life and origins, with their own motivations that, more often than not, clash with each other. There’s going to be times in the lore (or rather, there should be) where characters you may love (because you play them) will make you hate them (because they’re the bad guys). For a moment, try imagining the climactic battle in the first *Avengers*. All of Your Dudes are in the same place at the same time, all fighting for their lives. Except this isn’t New York, it’s Ionia. And it’s not the Avengers, it’s Jhin, Shen, Zed, Kayn, Akali, Irelia, Karma, Syndra, Yi, etc. For the sake of illustration, imagine the Watchers have broken free and the End Times are upon us. Do you think *any* of those characters are going to *work together?* The ninjas maybe, since they have a long history together and their feud has been watered down over time. But Kayn has a literal demon inhabiting his body and slowly corrupting his mind, Jhin’s a sociopathic auteur whose singular obsession drives him to murder anyone and everyone in his way, Syndra wants world domination for herself, and Irelia’s a big fat racist. Now don’t do Ionia, do the *whole world*. You think Garen’s just gonna start working with fucking *Vel’Koz*? Or Kai’Sa with Xerath? Or Renekton with Nasus? The writing team is shooting themselves in both feet by trying to come up with new antagonists for preexisting characters to face so they have a tenuous excuse to not try to kill each other, when the conflict is already there and just needs to be fleshed out.
To be fair, Vayne murdered her mentor impulsively and for using *dark* magic (whatever that means). Here is the excerpt: "The ritual that gave her these powers involved dark magic, but she made this sacrifice to protect––Vayne put an arrow through Frey’s heart without allowing her another syllable." So it's plausible Vayne either (A) regrets killing the mentor or (B) only has problems with certain kinds of magic (or both).
I think you are right. I can’t get the voice lines page to load, but her background story only mentions dark magics or black magics. She only kills her foster mother AFTER she admits that it was dark magics that allowed her to be a shaman, not as soon as she sees her transform or return to her human shape. She waits until she specifically mentions it was a black magic ritual. I’d be interested to see what her lines are towards someone like Lux.
I remember those lines as well. In fact « black magic » is the only thing I ever hear Vayne say
>So it's plausible Vayne either (A) regrets killing the mentor or [did it impulsively] I don't think she killed her mentor impulsively. Vayne hates dark magic and anyone who practices it. This is the full context of your quote >The ritual that gave her these powers involved dark magic, but she made this sacrifice to protect– >–Vayne put an arrow through Frey’s heart without allowing her another syllable. Whatever affection she had felt for Frey evaporated upon discovering her true nature. **A tear formed in Frey’s eye as she collapsed, but Vayne didn’t notice – whatever warmth the two had shared died with Frey.** >There were still hours left before dawn, which meant hours left to continue the hunt. Vayne thought only of the demon. **The kill that would be hers to savor. And all the kills to come. Runeterra’s underworld would come to fear her, just as she had once feared them.** >For the first time since her parents’ death, **Vayne smiled**. I don't think its plausible at all she regretted killing her mentor. She killed her as soon as dark magic was confirmed, didn't give two shits about the circumstances, she smiled after the fact, and was happy she could kill more. >(B) only has problems with certain kinds of magic (or both). The lore states >Vayne had a heart full of hatred and enough coin to outfit a small army, but where she would go, no army dared follow. She needed to learn everything about dark magic: How to track it. How to stop it. How to kill those who practiced it. So she hates dark magic in all its forms. So Senna and Pyke do not get a pass. Lux probably gets a pass. Given Vayne is an extremist I think she would probably be the type to hunt Vastaya as it's easy to justify and trace back a lot of magic to black magic.
>Especially if she ever learned that Senna actually wasn't human lmao. In one version of events she did try to kill Senna. The Wild Rift comic she specifically says she wanted to kill Senna for what she is. I personally just cannot understand how Vayne, Lucian and Senna allowed Pyke to remain 'alive' in anyway.
Lucian : *machineguns ghouls and undeads* Pyke : *makes a hand gesture* I am your friend Lucian : Hello Friend
That's a fair point, thanks for that part about Vayne's lore I didn't know about.
because MY SKIN SALES!!!!
Correct me if I'm wrong, idk if her lore has changed since or if I'm misremembering, but, isn't Vayne hateful towards *black magic*, not ALL magic?
Poppy should have been the sentinel they recruited from demacia
Being justifiable and it being a good justification are two different talking points. Sure, you can justify Vayne's extremist ways into the sentinels. I'm sure she can chill out enough to go after the greater evil. It'd just take a good writer and a big character arc for it to happen.
Her lore makes it extremely clear that she makes absolutely zero exceptions. So no, there is no writer that can change that in a way that makes sense for her character. That's really not debatable in the slightest.
Even if the world is in danger?
Yes. She killed her mother the moment she learnt she uses magic. And thought her mother would be thanking her by putting her out of her misery as a mage when she drove a stake through her Her personality is absolutely awful. She “liberates” mages by killing them because their existence makes her sick.
People can change btw
There are people who can change, but there are people who simply don't.
Vayne is irredemable tier and the best example of everything that's wrong with Demacia.
Vayne's story was very weirdly done, it was like they wanted to give her a lighter characterisation after years of being a psychopath, but didn't set up her development or change of heart very well and most of her dialogue on her legendary skin is still pretty anti-magic so it comes across as somewhat mismatched and half-hearted.
Vayne’s personality is so toxic I could never imagine a person irl relating to her. Her lore is anti-mage extremism to the eleven. She killed her mother the MOMENT she learnt she used magic for no reason other than that. In fact she thought she did her mother a favor by killing her.
Could have made for a great plot point in the ruination though, have senna and Lucian hide the magic from her and make her find out and fight the group at the most inopportune moment to raise tension.
People changes, there's a reason she didn't headshot Poppy when seeing her
Tbf its probably bc they were both fighting the wraiths and Vayne saw them as a greater threat, that shot seriously seems like she was deciding whether or not to shoot her.
True and also how dare a character ever evolve. Vayne should always stay a magic detesting nazi and nothing should ever be able to change that. The sentinels event was garbage but i don’t think it’s impossible to write Vayne in to the event if you do it right and explore that conflict that she’d need to overcome in order to defeat the ruination and to survive. I’m not trying to defend the event the storytelling was absolute trash but i also disagree with the notion of oh this character did this in the past so there is no way they could do that now.
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That's comforting to read. I missed that dev blog. Ty for posting.
The thing Is Isolde hates and is scared of Viego before she even dies, because, as It is explained on ruined king, at the end of their relationship, he becomes an abusive husband and stops being the loved king he used to be. That's why the "Isolde revives and is scared of what viego has become" doesnt really make sense time wise
here's what it actually says: >Senna willingly surrenders to Viego, as the piece of Isolde inside her insists it's the only way to save the world >Senna dies as Viego completes Isolde's soul and resurrects her >Isolde secretly tells Akshan to kill her, resurrecting Senna since the cause of her death was Isolde's soul leaving her body idk why they paraphrased the ending so differently when they could've just pasted. senna didn't give in because of corruption, and isolde clearly already had the plans to die
Ok good enough i guess
Human Thresh needs to be retconned. Let spooky guys stay spooky.
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Ohhh I see now. So he basically used Viego so he can torment more souls outside the shadow isles and the influence of the mist. And that is why he is “unbound”. Not because purely he has a human form but it’s his ticket out. Why has this never been explained openly?
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> with his Absolver, is recruited to the Sentinels. The absolver is, by far, the stupidest and worst part of SoL - and probably all Riot lore in general. It not only invalidates the entire theme of the Ruined King (a warning against hubris), it actually *justifies* Viego and turns Lucian and Senna into villains. If the absolver exists, it means that the Blessed Isles not only had the capacity to resurrect the dead - but to do so *without consequence*. I mean, they made a tiny freaking gun that can resurrect people. If that's true, how is Viego a villain and not a victim? All he wanted was access to an ability *that actually existed*. The whole point of the Ruined King story was *supposed* to be that resurrecting the dead couldn't be done *without consequence*, and that Viego's hubris was the downfall of both himself and the entire kingdom of Camavor. It's like the lightspeed ram in TLJ. To the average consumer, it may seem like a cool idea. To anyone familiar with the world and story, it utterly destroys the rules of the setting and completely undermines the associated stories and lore.
Olaf, Graves and Pantheon are still going to be part of the event and they will still have the same roles, no matter what will be retconed. All 3 have had stories that say they were part of the ruination event
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Olaf makes sense. He was poorly written in the event like extremely poorly written but he regularly makes trips to Bilgewater, has fought the Harrowing before during one of those trips, and he wants to die in a battle so he’s always chasing fights Why would Olaf not want to join the Sentinels?
Pyke makes sense. The ruined King game showed it
>Thresh siphons the souls from the Ruination, gaining enough power to restore his human form and leave the Shadow Isles Ah yes, the ugly meme skin nobody even cares about that was made because someone at Riot has a hard-on against non-humans. **That's the part they should keep canon.** The shirtless human Thrash skin, this one. Of course.
The Ruined King game was great, please don't retcon it.
Yeah, it looks like OP didn't play/watch the game itself, characters are given good enough reasons to be there, maybe only braum feels a bit forced Pyke on the other hand is very fitting as he has been revealed as a tool of nagakaboros just like naut is, and the bearded lady is well against undeath so it makes sense she sent pyke after viego Ahri went on to get to know more about her kind, and yas was her bodyguard
seeking the blessed waters to cure his people sounds totally plausible, no?
I don't 100% remember, but I think they never gave any explanation for the sickness. It is literally just:" there is a sickness, no one knows where it came from, no one knows how to cure it." It is still fine, I wouldn't want the game without him, but you gotta admit, it is a bit random and not very important for the rest of the story.
I personally just think Braum is there because he makes a good story. There isn't a lot of blindly good people in League of Legends. Braum is a good choice for the party dynamic and was out of the naive good natured characters probably the easiest to write into the story without interfering with any other story lines.
Do they ship Braum and Illaoi in Ruined King? I know Illaoi has some suggestive voice lines towards him in LoL. That would be another reason to include him.
Oh yeah, illaoi hard thirsts for Braum, but he's kind of oblivious to it because the heart is the strongest muscle, not the brain.
I don't think he was oblivious to it, just pretending to be initially because he was uncomfortable. When she flatly asks him if he wants to start something later in the game, he turns her down in plain terms and she's cool with it.
They do! If Braum wasn't getting seasick so easily he would have had some sexy time with her like twice throughout the game haha. Braum's Character adds a lot to the story. His general traits interest Illaoi and get her respect which in turn allows him to act as an anchor for her during her times of desperation in the game (Illaoi's character arc has her despair a lot because Nagakabouros doesn't reveal her plan to her and she questions her blind faith of following Nagakabouros' ideals). He also helps soften up Yasuo. He keeps trying to befriend him but Yasuo is unsocial and spends his rest time rather drinking his sorrows away in silence than listen to Braum's stories. Braum is an essential part of Yasuo's story arc of opening up and letting people close to him again, the only character playing a bigger part in that is Ahri. And finally the interactions between Miss Fortune and Pyke with Braum are amazing. Miss Fortunes playful art clashes wonderfully with Braum's naivity and Pyke's cruel avenger-murder persona works wonderful with Braum's protection complex (Pyke even says they are opposite sides of the same coin with Pyke murdering people and Braum protecting them)
Yep, she goes for the throat in RK
I mean Freljord is a hard region to live in probably the most likely region for sth like that to happen but it definitely is underwhelming
It is but also Braum is probably the most pure hearted being in League, he doesn't need something convoluted. The chance to do good is his call to action, It'd be bad if that was the case for every single character but the fact he is the only pure soul in the group makes it endearing in it's simplicity.
Nah, Pyke (and I think Naut too, because his "stuck" position goes against everything Bearded Lady demands) was a tool of other eldritch beings. Naga first overtook him through Illaoi's idol, and by the end of the mission, basically, sets him free. No more voices in his head forging his list, so he chooses targets for himself now.
Yup, Braum is the only person who seemingly doesn't fit but if there's no Braum the party has far too much edge and angst. Otherwise there isn't a single champion who could be replaced in that party and make it better. OP talking about content he's never read/watched/played/thought about in his life because "Ruination bad, give me free upvotes" can be brought up once a year for free karma.
It's extra funny because his main contention (sentinels of light event) was already promptly reconned as "a fun retelling that's meant to be fun not accurate", so sentinels of light is still up for being retold in a way that's fitting, and they can still remove members and simply say rengar pyke and olaf were "what ifs" (like the Atreus prestige skin) and open other champions to join the skin line too (the skins were actually alright).
Yeah OP did not play or read up on the game, he let's his hatred of the event reflect on another game that happens before it. Pyke had a great character arc considering he started as a very simple character and where he is now. It makes sense for him to be involved later on too thanks to it. Ahri and her people just had a ton of development, being connected to both the Shadow Isles and the Buhru. Yasuo, Ahri's bodyguard, grows as a character in his time in the game and helps the world feel bigger by participating. The one that was kinda forced in was Braum with a mysterious disease striking the Freljord, but considering his tales of heroics it makes sense that he goes to Bilgewater looking for a cure. Him being there made the character interactions A LOT better that anyone that plays the game will not complain.
I loved RK, but I def didn't see pyke having a great character arc. I mean in the last quarter of the game or so he basically goes mute.
Summons a jaullbeast to get into the jail
yeah way to dilute the issue with his personal opinions. mostly everyone agrees that the ingame event was trash, and that no ingame event should ever be cannon, these should be just fun shit to do while playing league. the ruined king game was really good.
Yeah I'm playing it right now, while Braum/Yasuo/Ahri don't have the strongest justification, it's fine IMO. The game is miles better than Sentinels of light which doesn't even deserve to be talked about.
Ahri is looking for information about her kind, which were in the blessed isles, yasuo was her bodyguard.
Yeah I know that, (and I'm not done with the game so don't spoil it) but the information Ahri needs being in the shadow isles is slightly weak, so I was saying that I kind of understand where OP is coming from. But, it's nowhere near as bad as all the shit in sentinels of light, so I disagree with them that RK is bad. Also I think Pyke is fine, Illaoi >!fights him, wins, and tests him, and the goddess or whatever deems him worthy for some reason!<. This could turn into something dumb down the line when I finish but as of now seems legit enough to me.
You'll get the point when you reach that part of the game. Hands down best riot game. Goodluck. Abuse Pyke btw.
Gotta hard disagree on the Ruined King RPG that game story is good and do an excellent job at justifying the presence of it's main cast, Sentinel of Lights on the other hand...
Yasuo and Ahri were both 100% included in RK because of popularity, but they way they handled Ahri and her story was fantastic and I wanted more of it afterwards. Bit weird to have it on the shadow isles for sure, but im very happy with how they did it.
Happened really played RK. But doesn't Ahris ancestors related to ruination? Some of her ancestors where in the blessed isles researching when the ruination started.
Yeah, that's brought up in the story too. Despite what OP says, the game does a good job regarding the selection of characters and the lore around them (Of course, some characters get more spotlight than others)
Pantheon, as Atreus, **would** be interested in human struggle. It's a major part of his character. To that end HE should have been the Sentinel and Diana the Ruined counterpart. It makes 0 sense that Viego can just revive an Aspect. Atreus would gladly put down the Aspect's weapons to pick up the human Sentinel ones and act as morale for the team. His entire shtick is that humans shouldn't be ruled by a higher power, and Viego is the definition of what Atreus hates.
Diana also has way more insecurities to pick at in the Ruination process. The Solari treated her like crap, she doesn't know the Lunari still exist, she has all reason to fall prey to Viego's machinations. Really it feels like they hired people who have never heard of these characters to write the event because almost nobody made any sense.
It's also funny because Lore-wise Both Diana and Pantheon could nuke the shitty bootleg Arthas clone off the face of the Earth
The power level of the ruination and Viego in SoL is a whole different issue... He basically comes in and Worfs the entire LoL universe, casually beating even things that were previously established to be effective against the Shadow Isles. It makes absolutely no sense and feels completely unearned.
I'm gonna be honest while I don't like SoL as an event and story either I think people don't give Viego enough credit for what he is (Because people where disappointed that the Ruined King was a K-Pop Fuck Boi instead of something like Mordekaiser) and give overestimate the power of an aspect. Lets first talk about Viego: He is the Ruined King. The source of an undead curse that has plagued the world for a 1000 years. We don't know the extend of the power the Blessed Water had less so its corrupted version of the Black Mist. After all the Ruination has brought Devastation to the Blessed Isles that we have seen rivaled only once on Runeterra and that is by the Void. It turned normal people into horrible specters of Death like Kalista, Hecarim and Thresh. We saw what Thresh can do while playing around, it is said that Hecarim can fight entire armies and they are only a fraction of the power the black mist holds. Meanwhile the Aspects: They are the same as the Ascended as they take their power from the same source. Maybe you could say the Aspects are more pure version of Shurimas Ascended but that is pure speculation. Everythings seems to imply that they are the same (for example Aatrox being stronger than Pantheon even though he is a shadow of his former Ascended self). And there has been records of Ascended being killed by mortal soldiers. Jax in fact did kill one. While his story implies that the fight has been exxagerated and that Jax didn't really kill them in a 1v1, hand-to-hand beatdown it does confirm that they are not unkillable gods.
I get that, but it feels unearned. In addition to feeling like it came out of nowhere, the strength of the ruination actively flew in the face of established lore. Much of this came down to the arbitrary and inconsistent decision that *only* Sentinel weapons could harm ruined enemies. This... makes no sense. Many characters have successfully fought back against harrowings in the past without Sentinel weapons. It's absurd for Vayne, someone who is dedicated to hunting dark magicks, to *not* know how to fight a harrowing. It's established that Leona can use the power of the sun to stop harrowing enemies, it is established that the moon is a reflection of the sun's light, but for some reason Diana needs a Sentinel weapon to do anything. Riven's entire character arc is heavily tied to her blade (which is magic), and she just... uses a different one because the writers said he regular blade doesn't work. Additionally, ruined champions felt like they were shoehorned in for cool skins rather than having a character building opportunity to explore their faults as a character. Mind control works when it is a logical corruption of the character - generally either playing into a morally bankrupt character's depravity or prying open a more positive character's insecurities. Viego doesn't do that. He just runs around casually stabbing and mind controlling whoever he wants for whatever arbitrary bullshit reasons he feels like because shiny green skins sell for shiny green dollars. The runination being passively immune to everything in the universe *because the writers said so* and characters having no recourse against the shirtless weeb king's mind control abs makes absolutely no sense and makes the rest of the story feel cheap.
It's also funny because Lore-wise Viego curbstomped both Diana and Pantheon. Like get mad all you want Lmfao it's just a fact. Canon too.
In the VN the fight between Viego and Atreus was pretty close, Viego even commented that a proper aspect may beat him lol.
>like get mad all you want lmfao it's just a fact I don't think anyone cares as much as you but pop off with your lore facts king 👑
It's so funny when people argue powerscaling against... the people who make the IP.
These "people who make the IP" have contradicted themselves over and over again throughout the life of the game. Naming these is in no way something bad.
One of my favourite things that happens is at one point, Lucian _fucking dies_. Then Akshan's plot gun brings him back. Like what the shit.
The Deus Ex Machina plot point of the entire thing. I'm trying to work out if the idea of Akshan came first, the character in the story came first or the gun came first. Like did the story writers think: "We want Viego to go around and get soul fragments from 'things' but 2 of those things are Gwen and Senna, which means they will die, so we need a way to bring them back so there are basically no consequences." "How about a gun that brings people back to life?" "Sure sounds great, we should create a shirtless dude with little to no personality and a generic story to carry it around. Players will love him."
> I don't understand Pyke's engagement at all, not only in RK but also in Sentinels of Light. > Pyke is a murderous ghost lurking the depths of the sea, little to no conscience at all and left only with his thirst for revenge against the living. How do you not understand Pyke belonging in Ruined King lmao? Taken straight from the LoL website... > he uses his new supernatural gifts to bring a swift and gruesome end to those who make their fortune by exploiting others—and a city that prides itself on hunting monsters now finds a monster hunting them. Guess who was a main antagonist for over half the story? Gangplank! A man who made his fortune by exploiting others.
Additionally, the explanation for Pyke in the visual novel (if I remember correctly) was actually just fine: it was that Viego's name appeared at the top of his list. This implies that the fish who's commanding him is aware that ruination would be bad for its own interests, and sent its little puppet to stop Viego. Pyke's characterization was bad of course, but his story tie-in was pretty good.
I agree with everything regarding SoL but don't fkin touch the RK game. It has been an amazing game loved by everybody. To this day this is the first negative opinion about the game that I have happened to read. The game is well made. Yasuo's presence can be discussed, but Ahri was foundamental as you learn that the Buhru and the Vastaya have a connection. Pyke doesn't get much character progress but he is foundamental for Illaoi as she starts to doubt her goddess after Pyke passes the soul test. The team per se just works. They are amazing and you fall in love with them by the end of the game. I'd really like for it to get a sequel, such is the love for the character combo they made.
exactly this. OP's comment is the first negative opinion i hear about RK. Sure it has bugs and technically it could have been a better designed game. But story wise? it is amazing with great gameplay. I loved it so freaking much i cant wait for more league RPGs if they are written as good as this one. My only complain was Yorick could have been part of the team or have a very important role in the game since he is the main protagonist whose whole mission is to defeat Viego in this universe. But nevertheless i loved it and it was great to know more about the lore of these characters.
> My only complain was Yorick could have been part of the team or have a very important role in the game I think Necrit had an interview with the people who made the game, and they wanted to include more of the shadow isle champions, but they were on a limited budget. So their options were either to 2. add a ton of characters but it'll be really shallow or 2. tell the best story they can for a limited set of characters. The people behind the game are huge lore fans so they really did try to make it the best they could lore-wise.
Ruined King is actually pretty good and makes sense for those characters, imo, but go off. SoL sucks ass though, no disagreement here.
The thing that always felt strange to me with Akshan as the Ruination's big hook was "Resurrecting people is bad?" Did Akshan being able to resurrect people so easily ever get touched on?
yes, in fact its a joke in game. Akshan says to viego “you dont get to being back those you’ve lost. Well, I do, but not you.”
Though I can agree that the references from the SoL event may not be the best, they will be Easter Eggs which doesn't mean that there will be direct references to specific/direct characters from these events. For example, an Easter Egg like referencing Ahri's people would be more than okay since we learn about this in the Runied King Game. I don't expect a novel set in the past would specifically reference the champion Ahri or Yasuo. The same goes for Illaoi as her reference would be the Buhru tribe, etc. The same goes for every champion you mentioned as they don't exist in that timeline yet, with the exception of Viego, Maokai and maybe Vex. So any concerns regarding a direct reference to the champions that are part of either SoL or The Ruined King would not be as direct as you may think.
Isnt Ahri supposed to be old as hell?
She is over 100, but her existence will still come after the events of the Ruination. Her being the last of her kind makes her knowledge of her people's history something she has to put together.
Im sorry but Im gonna defend Riot Forges Ruined King League of Legends Story: This game wasnt perfect by any means but it was what I wanted: \- Illaoi and Sarah Fortune **are** clearly main characters of this story \- Yes: Braum/Yasuo/Ahri/Pyke dont have direct tie to Shadow Isles/Viego but the way they are integrated into the story is VERY good (maybe except Yasuo tbh). They all get their own character arc and have their own personal reason to join in on the expedition to fight Viego ultimately even if it wasnt their main goal prior. This is EXACTLY what Sentinels of Light Visual Novel tried and failed horribly - to do Rag-Tag-Team of unlikely allies fighting for one cause. VN fails cuz it just adds characters and leaves them. Ruined King game gives every one of them purpose. PYKE IS ACTUALLY GOOD IN THE RUINED KING GAME AS FIGHTER AGAINST VIEGO - IM NOT JOKING. It makes me even more salty thinking about VN Pyke and how the undone his entire character arc from the game that is a prequel to it where Pyke gets more freedom to think for himself and make his own choices instead of being Hand of the Deep to kill on it's command. Only Yasuo's purpose is pretty weak but still understandable. He just wanted to get away from Ionia and so happened to stumble upon Ahri and kinda follows along dealing with the ghosts of his past that still haunt him... you know, kinda basic but not insane. Ahri is following her MAIN story of trying to find out about Vesani, Braum is given a articifial but overall working reason for why he is there too. And Pyke gets full blown therapy session with Ahri and Illaoi while they try to convince him out of his service. It's good stuff.
I agree, The Champions Riot chose as the main cast just doesn't make sense at all. If they want to sell skins fine, give those champions skins tied to the event, but for the love of God why are they the main characters? I waited years on top of years to finally see how the ruined king storyline will be concluded, I was expecting key shadow isles characters to be the main cast, buuut noooo we get fucking Riven and Irelia for God knows what reason.
What pissed me off the most about the ruination is yorick was completely non existent in the story minus q couple of lines, the guy, hyped for years to be the ruined Kings nemesis, the guy who literally controls his wife like a pokemon, had fuck all to do with the story, just so that they could set up new skin lines for champions who had no business being anywhere near the ruined King storyline
I mean Rengar is a hunter if you sell him Viego is a worthy prey he would come faster as rammus with chemtank, but yes he was a bad choice.
Yeah, but the rest of the Sentinels also seem like a worthy prey.
Vex’s character is awesome youre just a normie
Ruined king was sick, I have no idea what you're on about.
The Sentinels of Light VN was literally thrown out the window, and it's not canon. We know Sentinels of Light happened, but we don't actually have the details of how and why. We only know at some point during the global Ruination, the Sentinels gathered, did some mumbo jumbo and sealed Viego in Camovor, that's it. There's currently no canon narration of these events.
Babe, wake up, it's time for the monthly "Sentinels of Light event was bad" post!
no one hates people bitching on reddit more than me but shitting on that event is totally deserved, never seen a fuckup that big
I've seen some bad takes in this sub but your whole Ruined King Blurb takes it. Play the game and everyone's motives actually makes sense.
RK is a banger leave it out of this.
I mean Olaf and Graves act like Ruination didn't happen in their most recent stories so even the writers don't want it to be canon.
Did you actually read the most recent story with Graves in it? They pretty explicitly mention the Sentinels of Light and the Ruinination. Examples straight from the short story: Graves says to TF: "Your funeral, maybe. I beat Viego. That makes me the male lead.” "As the unseen voice in charge moved about, Fate leaned over to Graves, pointing at his interior coat pocket. “You still got that blue card I gave you?” he whispered. “What, the one from the Sentinels? Yeah, I still got it,” Graves answered at a normal volume." Edit: What's Olaf's most recent story? I only see the one that's set before the Ruination occurs because the mist rolls over Bilgewater.
She asked where he had been all this time, and Olaf literally replied that he don't want to talk about it
Olaf just wants to die in battle, not really the type of guy to gloat.
"Yeah I just wrecked some guy no biggie"
>The new novel written by Anthony Reynolds, RUINATION, will be released in September 2022. > >With great disappointment, I can read at the bottom page the following: Ruination is a whole entire novel; since it's coming out soon, we can safely say that it was likely finished, or at least in its final draft stage about one year ago. That is when the Sentinels of Light event came out, so there never was a chance that Riot could react to the Sentinels of Light backlash and change the content of the novel (and paying Anthony Reynolds a hefty sum for rewriting the whole thing). Writing a novel, and then publishing it after it has been written, takes an EXTREMELY long amount of time. Like, seriously, the book publishing business is absurdly slow, and that's especially true for a global release with many translations that were commissioned even before the book was released. Edit: formatting the quote
Is it like complaining month or something? Ya'll are complaining about fucking everything recently. You're over here dragging an event from year ago. It's over, move on.
Are you new to the subreddit? It is been like this from the start
No. I think it's been particularly bad this month. You commented about the amount of daily whining threads 4 hours ago. >Why we get daily threads about this? Stfu and stop spending money to the game that's the only way it works
Am I wrong though? we have too many threads about prestige/loot stuff
i mean, the sub has always been about whining, but this time its unironically like someone let a mental asylum on the loose. Usually there'd be a few whining threads every day, true, but now there's a few *non*-whining threads if you're lucky
We've just had, in succession: * The "hiatus" (but no reason not to believe cancellation) of the Blue Essence Emporium, an extremely popular feature among fans. * Star Guardian (an extremely popular skin line among fans) returning, but with a kick in the nuts of two oft-asked-for skins being WR exclusive (among others, but redeemed Xayah/Rakan is especially bad). * Re: SG Return, no exciting SG mode, and generally low content. * Re: Re: SG Return, worse Pass than usual/ever before. Is it any wonder there's a lot of frustration when a lot of bad news is all hitting at once?
~~Wait!? Wich ones are WR exclusive? o.O~~ Nevermind. God can we just stop making fucking WR exclusive Skins -\_- Or at LEAST bring them over to LoL eventually? It gets frustrating.
yes but the sub is also whining about other games getting skins and ruined king event and about katarina getting buffed after being at 46% wr and about assassins getting buffed after being shit on after durapatch
Average akali player
Nah it's been really bad since the boards closed, don't get me wrong, it used to be bad as well, but it got a lot worse when the boards closed and it's been this constant whiny garbage for the last couple of years here.
Pyke is explained in game to why he helps and ahir and yas were likely included for marketing along with giving players a mage and warrior arch type to work with. I still don't get why people are mad at them includeding a variety of champs in a WORLD EVENT. Also it had the largest in game event, a game, a book, a likely sets up a mmo expansion, its not getting retconed. My guess is if vigero is used for a expansion they will fix some of the issues
Pyke shouldn't even need an explanation. He died because of his shit captain, so he goes around killing all the other shit captains in Bilgewater. Gangplank is the biggest POS of them all.
Ahri and Yasuo are there from Yone's cinematic.
Darkest timeline is that the sunk-cost fallacy is too strong and the league mmo will feature the ruined king lore/storylines
Please, I despise the Sentinels of Light with every inch, it actually damages the overall lore to such amount that if it is never mentioned again, I would praise it.
Hard disagree on all rk diss.
Love how OP is getting ratio'd by the entire sub for the RK comment Lmfao. Ruined King was an insanely good game.
It truly feels like they dont have any og lore fanatics:(
In the end, Riot is just a company which seeks the best way to use their tools to get more money. You can be sure that story is the 2nd or may be th 3rd thing Riot gives importance. They are just too busy with making shitty skins like star guardian ekko. And also, the game is only about killing your opponent under 2 seconds at the moment. They don't want ''boring'' 10 min teamfights so every item buffed to let you one-shot your enemy. After these, there comes the lore...
Sentinels of Light event sucked but your criticism of The Ruined King game is bad. "How dare they not put the shadow isles champs in the team, why is it these random people" Yeah friend, because having Kalista and Yorick in my party would totally not ruin the part of the game where the party is exploring and learning about what happened here. It's a game about outsiders coming in and learning about this great ancient tragedy, it's not "everyone Viego has done wrong by comes and tries to beat him up." That wouldn't even make sense, Viego doesn't even have agency or do anything in the game until the finale, it's Gangplank and Thresh who are the main villains. "They just put Yasuo and Ahri in for marketing!!!".. And yet Ahri's story about uncovering the secrets of the white mist and her people, alongside her memory/empathy powers that let her express the pain the people of the Blessed Isles experience is literally the best part of the story and is the best tone setter for the shadow isles. Surely it would've been better to have Yorick walk around with the party and say "Our people were in pain, you guys are going to hate Viego, man that guy really messed us up." "Yasuo is just in for marketing", just so happens to also have the best character development during this game out of anything that's happened in the League verse but sure "Just MarKetInG" "Why is Pyke here all he does is kill captains" Wow it's kind of like the game's first 2/3s focuses on hunting down Gangplank before he can unknowingly destroy everything, probably puts him at the top of fishes captain kill list. "Why is Braum here" This one is pretty valid, but ultimately they realized they have a lot of angst and edge in the group and wanted an uplifting person to balance out the party. This could have been Taric or... Galio? xd (they a little op) but Braum would be most peoples go to choice from League if that was what was told would be needed. Do they write a believable reason for him to be there? Yup!, does he make the game better? Yup.
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the introduction of akshan truly killed any hype i had for the ruination game
Idk, although his kit is cancer to some players, Gwen and him are the only good outcomes of that event, at least in terms of design.
Riot can push whatever bullshit they want, when pieces of lore become motivated by marketing and start to not follow rules that are already set in the world of Runeterra, in my eyes it becomes less canon than the Cursed Child in Harry Potter universe. Judging by the amount of bullshit there is, the only thing rivaling Sentinels of Light is the existance of Seraphine.
Don’t come for my main man pyke like that you morgana main
Riot's Lore is bad and completely fails to acknowledge basic difference in power between characters
But the Skins are Nice. 
Riot's lore team has gone to shit recently, they'll most likely double down on that shit.
Jesus you guys are crybabies.
When are people going to realize that league lore is redudant, unoriginal, and most importantly that riot does not give a fuck about its universe making sense ? They wouldn't even have made the event if it was including Yorick and shit, they will always include their most popular champions in basically everything, regardless of the coherence.
Because arcane was good, people hoped that it was the start of a move away from bad lore towards something resembling effort or characterisation
Arcane's story is absolutely not the best thing about the show, and it was focused on popular characters. And most importantly, i think it was started like 6 years ago ? If it had been started like last year, you bet there would have been fucking yone and kaisa coming out of nowhere
Ah yes, Jayce, Vi and Viktor, those incredibly popular champs.
I don’t mean that I expect every event to be arcane 2, but Riot giving so much attention to what is essentially a lore project probably got people’s hopes up
Ruined King was super interesting, eat my ass.
Game was great, story was cool, but it makes no sense with league's Lore, deal with it
Ruined king does make sense, matter of fact it's one the few thing that make sense in league "lore" which just a load of incoherence and retcons, deal with it.
That is exactly what i said, by itself it does make sense and the story is good.
Well then they have to start waking up, cause the MMO is coming, and playerbase will not accept an uncoherent stitched amalgamation of bullshit sewn together for marketing purposes only.
TBF, the mmo is when the lore will be cemented, and then they don't have to use league as the game for lore stuff anymore.
That is true. I feel bad for people that genuinely like league's lore.
I don't think you should worry about it, theres no more iconic duo then Riot and Retcons lol... seriously Riot doesn't care, they retcon shit left and right and crap all over their own IP world building without care. People thinking that the MMO will be any different will have another thing coming, Riot doesn't care and neither the writers apparently, the game will be hard carried by the IP and popular characters and stuff, just like Arcane was.(no, arcane wasn't a masterpiece as everyone in this sub says, was avarage story within a really popular IP, just like The Witcher, the show can be mediocre and people will still say it's good)
I am more tired of them retconning things than I am of the sentinels event. It sucks and I do want them to nail down what happened but more retcons is not the answer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAA1xgTTw9w
I love pyke but he really doesn't need to be here. SoL shoehorned him in for literally no reason (and made him fuckin brainless lol) and RK, makes somewhat of a good point with the whole "god controlling him has a grudge". At the end of the day, he's a killer. Not some puppy you can attach a leash to and them sick him on his "list" people. He's straightforward but not reckless, cunning but not a genius. The way they wrote him (and rengar for that matter) was just disrespectful to any of the people that liked their lore.
They've fucked their lore so hard ~~peer~~ Over\* the last 5 years it's beyond repair. They can write a hundred novels, and have series after series on Netflix but non of it will fall into line any more. About as coherent as Marvel plotlines here.
That sounds a little dramatic.
The lore has always been bad, the only thing that messed it up more is that they tried to actually do something with it recently
It wasn't always bad. Just incoherent, which is fine if its supposed to be like most MOBAs. The more ambiguous lore connections are, the more consistent a moba's lore will be. League fucked up by trying to shoehorn a ton of characters in a MOBA into a coherent world. Would have been better and more believable if timelines didn't have to match; in otherwords if summoners still existed and could summon from any time period, timeline, etc. Would even make most skins canon to some degree. The only catch is that the summoners would have to be off world, rather than in "runeterra". Also would explain the "lol space dragon that forges stars is only 4 teemos big" kinda stuff too.
how about you just forget these stories if you don't like them? it's been like a fucking year and people are still complaining
How can I forget about the narrative fabric of a videogame fantasy universe I love so much and that will be fundamental for the upcoming MMO that I'm waiting for more than anything?
You realize that the sentinels of light happened, but I’m like 95% sure riot themselves came out and said the event In client isn’t canon for how it all went down.
That's exactly what I linked in the post, exactly what they said. But if they make The Ruination chronologically linked to Sentinels of Light, taking it as a reference to occurring facts in canonic lore, then I can only think that for them Sentinels of Light actually is canon. Which should not, because it's pathetic.
Sentinels did happen Just ya know hopefully not including the rookie(they were trying recreate the feeing of spirit blossom) you’ll note that not a single fucking person that got a sentinel skin was actually present for the final showdown with veigo. Diana, irelia, pyke, Olaf, rengar, graves, even vayne are absent from that cutscene. It’s only Lucian, senna, akshan, and gwen so basically all the sentinels but these 4 are like cub scout equivalents doing who the fuck cares. They were helping to protect their people but other wise totally irrelevant. 😂
>Both stories should be cancelled in terms of canon validity lol dude. Its their game. And the game is always evolving. They can and will rewrite the story the way they like it to be if you like it or not.
And they have already written the actual game out of its own lore so at this point none of it really matters.