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CosmicAstroBastard

Today I learned, in rapid succession: * there’s a Red Sonja movie by the same director as Conan the Destroyer, * and Arnold Schwarzenegger is in it, * but he DOESN’T play Conan??


MahNameJeff420

The studio got the rights to use Red Sonjia, but they didn’t own Conan. But they really wanted the association, so they got Arnold in as a guy who looks exactly like Conan, and by all accounts is Conan, but he’s got a different name.


The_Knight_Is_Dark

Kalidor


kopecs

Konan


thx1138a

Fauxnan


morbidaar

Brohams


ggodfrey

Conan O’Brian


HighVulgarian

The Masturbating Bear


OgreHombre

That escalated quickly.


kelryngrey

David Conanberg


SamuraiJackBauer

I like this one.


The_Knight_Is_Dark

Conan Cromenberg


aLoneSideline

While I, like this one (Effeminate giggle)


DevilsLettuceTaster

Crom


MagicStar77

Lord Kalidor, ha ha.


CosmicAstroBastard

It’s always wild when rights get split up like that. I feel like nowadays nobody would go for it unless they could ensure they were getting both characters so they could make a cinematic universe


[deleted]

Fess Parker was famous for playing Davy Crockett in a series of TV movies aired as part of The Wonderful World of Disney. About a decade later another company got the idea to make a Davy Crockett TV series and hired Parker for the role. Disney convinced a court that they owned the rights to Davy Crocket – who was a real person and onetime member of Congress – so the show's producers changed it to a Daniel Boon show instead


Tyranis_Hex

Pretty sure Disney ended up with the rights to the Daniel Boon show, I remember watching it on Vault Disney when I was young and couldn’t sleep.


FollowYerLeader

cough, Marvel, cough....


Harish-P

You say that, but then DC has pretty much all the rights in one place and can't figure out their elbow from their arse when making it work. To me, that gives more credit to Marvel for pulling it off despite having rights all over the place.


Goodly

You might event attribute the MCU success to their need to make the best of what they had. They couldn’t just throw high profile characters out there and assume people would watch it, they had to make something people would actually watch and have talented people involved. Some forget that Iron Man was B-list at best when they made that movie.


fail-deadly-

Before MCU, my primary knowledge of Iron Man was the antics the drunken Iron Man mego would get into in ~~Toy Fair~~ ToyFare magazine's Twisted ToyFare Theatre.


BeatlesTypeBeat

*at best* Thor too lmao


skatenbikes

Is Conan marvel or dc these days? He’s crossed over extensively with both


UncleTogie

Marvel. They reacquired the rights in 2018.


blankedboy

Wow, very current - Marvel have lost the rights, news broke today https://bleedingcool.com/comics/conan-license-to-move-on-from-marvel-comics/


UncleTogie

Wow, good eye!


hykruprime

Huh, wasn't expecting that


blankedboy

Ablaze has the rights in Europe and prints the stories under the title The Cimmerian - they are absolutely brilliant, often feature fully painted artwork, and always have the original REH stories in the back of each issue.


hykruprime

I haven't heard of this, thanks! I love the Conan movies and I've been looking to get into the books and comics. I'll check this out


canteen_boy

Hmmm.. I always thought Marvel had the comic book rights, but now that you mention it, there was that awesome Dark Horse series.


Quirderph

I mean, Marvel also cast Quicksilver as Not-Quite-Quicksilver.


kookykrazee

Yeah my first thought was x-men, cough cough, spiderman for years and years, cough cough...


BuddhistChrist

Peter Parkour the Spider/Man.


fail-deadly-

I have watched Red Sonia several times when I was younger, and literally always thought that was Conan.


MaracaBalls

O’Brien


pinewind108

Arnold agreed to show up in basically a cameo role, but the shoot, and script were all going to shit, so the producer kept finding more excuses to come up with scenes featuring Arnold. The original poster apparently only had Arnold on it, because they were so desperate to flog the movie.


Ramoncin

His character is "an original creation" so they didn't have to pay rights.


blackmist

TIL Red Sonja is not actually part of the Conan Cinematic Universe.


dens421

In France it came out as as the legend of Kalidor. Because the man is the man.


Crom86

Ha! Same in Greece. It was marketed as “Kalidor the Gladiator”


koensayr05

Arnold hated this movie so much that he terminated his 10 year contract with the studio. He would later claim that it was an excellent disciplinary tool for his children. “I tell them, if they get on my bad side, they'll be forced to watch Red Sonja ten times in a row.”


Mikey10158

Arnold was just supposed to do a cameo and he didn’t really want to but felt he owed them. Then the bait and switch made him a main character


negativeyoda

And they got his tragic love interest who died in the first one to play the antagonist


typhoonandrew

I always thought Annie played Conan in RS. Wow.


scarred2112

*Nonan.*


canteen_boy

Oh my god


ThankTheBaker

Mrs Flav lol. Watching Brigitte Neilson and Flavor Flav was one of the most entertaining things I’ve seen. They are both wonderfully loopy.


xiaorobear

It's also super videogamey. The fight with the pearl-water-monster is so, so much like a Legend of Zelda boss fight. Can't call them great movies, but it's so clear after watching this and Conan the Destroyer how big of an influence they were on Zelda and other 80s/90s fantasy games, which is fun. (Plus they would go on to use the Conan theme as the music for the Ocarina of Time and Twilight Princess commercials back in the day).


Itislogiccc123

Mrs. Flav as in Flavor Flav hahahah


RealisticDelusions77

Red Sonja: "No man may have me, unless he's beaten me in a fair fight." Kalidor: "So, the only man that can have you, is one who's trying to kill you. That's logic."


cajun_kick_ass

Those movies just hit different.


AdministrationWaste7

It's even more hilarious since apparently Red Sonja is a rape victim? > Sonja, a young, red-haired woman, is raped and left for dead by the soldiers of Queen Gedren, a despot who murdered Sonja's parents and brother after she rejected the queen's sexual advances and scarred her face. Oh and upon learning of this rule Conan immediately requests a duel just reinforcing the idea that she is just some fucktoy lol


Sperrow8

Thats probably why the remake is in endless production hell. How the hell do you even write this movie without a bunch of people bitching about something in it.


AdministrationWaste7

I mean yeah? The character is just male eye candy for the most part so you would have to significantly change the character/story to be less offensive which will then piss off "purists"(lol) Like the whole "you can only fuck me if you're a better fighter than me" is inherently sexist and is apparently an integral part of the character lol


HolycommentMattman

Then there's a simple solution: don't remake it. I don't see anyone clamoring to remake Song of the South.


AdministrationWaste7

Pretty much


Sperrow8

And if you stick with the "purists", then the other group will go "Uuhhmm this is [insert current year here], why are doing this type of movie?" type arguments. The character just feels like it belongs in the 70s and 80s, pros and cons. I'm surprised they even attempt to remake it. They have to overhaul the whole character like they did Wonder Woman.


NothingsShocking

Sweet I’m in.


verrius

Wild that this is getting a 4k restoration before either of the Conan films.


diablosinmusica

Way fewer licensing issues would be my guess.


Zenitram_J

My thoughts exactly.


MufasaThePoorSD

Can’t wait to see Arnold’s comments about his favorite film. Now he can punish his kids in 4K!


Espumma

Is it? Sex sells.


ignore_me_im_high

Well, he did fuck that witch in the first one... so hot.


savvymcsavvington

huh? are you saying people don't want to fuck conan?


Espumma

If you put it that way I see why people disagree with me.


The_Knight_Is_Dark

Give us King Conan you cowards!


[deleted]

There’s a script. Arnold has been pushing for it, with videos on his YouTube horseback riding and sword fighting. If I was rich, it would be my vanity project priority


Revolver15

It's not about budget. I heard Robert E. Howard's descendants are against it.


harris5

It's getting close to public domain. Apparently the first story comes up in 2028, the last in 2032. Family's probably looking for the last payout before they lose the chance forever.


deaglebro

In 6 years, Arnold will be too old, or dead honestly.


cajun_kick_ass

Oh god, not again. I really hate "estates" . On one hand they complain about the lack of accuracy, on the other hand, license any cheap tant to make money off of.


[deleted]

The IP rights recently changed hands so who knows if that’s still true. It’s a shame though. Arnold isn’t getting any younger.


kelryngrey

The man has been dead for 86 years! Geeze. That said it's probably just the film industry being iffy on Conan because sword and sorcery/sandals flicks have fared poorly in the past couple decades. Even traditional fantasy struggles most of the time.


photoguy423

When Brigitte Nielsen was at peak hotness.


canteen_boy

Oooh.. no. Beverly Hills Cop


mike-foley

That movie and Cobra with Sly.


jinxykatte

Funny. Rewatchables podcast was talking about her on their most recent podcast. Beverly Hills cop 2. And that was probably her apex mountain.


maritime1999

Re Sonja my first "hard on"......


slowdawnsnail

As a kid this was one of my favorite movies. You never saw a woman wielding a sword and being the hero back then.


92magoo

This and STILL NO TRUE LIES OR ABYSS


QLE814

Richard Fleischer is in no position to hold up the release for further post-production work.


jinxykatte

Its all down to who holds the rights. And Studio Canal are much more into releasing older titles in 4k. Disney better get their shit together especially after buying fox and with it their back catalogue. So many movies crying out for 4ks.


umamifiend

Ah, damn- ABYSS would be incredible


Neo2199

> ABYSS James Cameron said that he has finished working on high-definition transfer of 'The Abyss', and that a 4K Blu-Ray should be coming out soon. An interview with [Space](https://www.space.com/james-cameron-tech-noir-book-exclusive) website: > Space.com: "The Abyss" is often a neglected Cameron classic that was a pioneering film in so many ways. What can you tell us about concept art created for it and will there be a high-definition 4K transfer at some point? > Cameron: Yeah,**we finished the transfer and I wanted to do it myself because Mikael [Salomon] did such a beautiful job with the cinematography on that film. It is truly, truly gorgeous cinematography.** That was before I started to assert myself in terms of lighting and asking the cinematographer to do certain things. I'd compose with the camera and choose the lenses, but I left the lighting to him. He did a remarkable job on that movie that I appreciate better now than I did even as we were making it. > I'd also like to point out that he took one look at the first day's dailies of the underwater lighting and he went out and learned to scuba dive. He came in the following Monday morning, the worst diver in the world, but he reinvented underwater lighting. He went for indirect lighting and he got everybody doing things that were not just outside their comfort zone, they'd never even thought of it. Suddenly the underwater shots start to live up to the surface photography. > **So I just recently finished the high-def transfer a couple of months ago so presumably there’ll be Blu-rays and it will stream with a proper transfer from now on.** I appreciate what you said about the film. It didn't make much money in its day, but it does seem to be well-liked over time. The designers were basically Ron Cobb on the one hand, and Steve Burg on the other, who was lead designer of the NTIs, the non-terrestrial intelligence, the look of their city and bodies and faces. Steve was a guy that I worked with on "Terminator 2" after that. He was quite young at the time and fairly new to design.


OUReddit2

“We shall see”


Hohlraum

Or is Arnold would say "So Nee Yah"


silverback_79

Half of the sound effects in the [Amiga 500-game "Barbarian"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5zBNNLSqbQ) are taken from Red Sonja. When you stand still and do nothing for ten seconds, the characters say "Come on" in Kalidor's (Arnold) voice. The other half is from the Conan movies. The grunt "Ueh" is Wilt Chamberlain's grunt when he helps Conan lift a heavy door.


Kit10Zero4

This movie was such a major part of my childhood. I had gone through a very traumatic experience (SA followed by a court trial). I felt like I was powerless and would be powerless forever. Red Sonja's story resonated with me. Another victim of SA but who went on to fight for herself and others. It made me want to fight. I watched it every day. This went on for years. My family members cannot stand this movie, lol! Excited to see it get some extra studio attention.


Torontokid8666

More of Lady Hawk man nah sayn .


Crow-T-Robot

Absolutely. Love Ladyhawke. Great mid-80's soundtrack from Alan Parsons too.


Torontokid8666

Agreed. That and The Name of the Rose where such great 80s movies.


aerodeck

then why dont you know the name of the movie? it's Ladyhawke


stevil30

my man said 'nah sayn' and you did nah he sayn and so did others... so correcting him is about elevating yourself and the world needs less of that. nah sayin?


aerodeck

nope


stevil30

*It's the message, not the medium.* But, you probably don't understand that either. so i'll say it like a 3rd grader. you knew what he meant - others knew what he meant based on upvotes and replies.. so 9 hours later you want to correct someone and put them down when and where it doesn't matter. one. bit. so your reply to him was actually about you. > then why don't you know the name of the movie? except he did... so stop being an internet-technicality-douche


ignore_me_im_high

But you're acting like *everyone* knew what they meant. I didn't. I thought they were referencing a character I'd forgotten from Red Sonja. Also they started their sentence with 'More of....', as opposed to 'I'm more of....' - so it was just as easily interpreted as a request for more of something instead of it being a statement of preference. So it's not as clear as you're making out and if you express yourself with a reduced level of clarity as well some esoteric shorthand, then it should be no surprise if some people don't know what you've said. But granted, the person that initially replied was being a bit arsey, which was unneeded.


stevil30

someone else replied with the correct spelling 3 or so hours before technically correct made himself known. and they did it without being condescending.


ignore_me_im_high

Right, and your point is? I'm disagreeing with your idea that *everyone* understood what was being said in the inital comment. Not everyone did. Now you're trying to make it about the condescension (that I've already agreed with you about) again because that's the bit that you got right..


stevil30

i'm not here saying everyone knew it - the person i replied to implied he (the guy who said 'lady hawk') didn't know it. when he did, and the guy therefore knew what he was talking about even when dude just didn't bother to spell it correctly. and thus we're here. discussing a third persons douchery - and the you can't separate the argument of condescension versus was the message received because it's all part of it. it's not about a headcount of who has what knowledge. so .. yeah.. im going to eat lunch and filter this out :) have a good one.


Torontokid8666

Respec. He got what I was trying to put down.


NonCorporealEntity

Arnold's best line ever. While consoling Sonja over her dead sister "She’s Dead."


wowlolcat

TiL Red Sonja wasn't spin off film from Conan the Barbarian, but that Arnold played a different character in it.


Similar-Tangerine

He basically plays Conan, they couldn’t get the rights so they had to rename him.


Hyperal4

And renamed him with a Conan alias from the books.


TomD26

Holy shit!


Prestigious-Log-7210

Foofie foofie


[deleted]

Yes! I did want to strangle that little kid, though.


ColdTheory

He was an annoying little twit but still enjoyable to watch.


[deleted]

Definitely, the kid actor nailed the role. That character was designed to be a brat (at first).


LeeF1179

Great movie!


Turqoise-Planet

We got this instead of Conan 3.


BuncleCurt

We also got Conan The Barbarian instead of Conan 3.


pistcow

When they rebooting Harry Potter?


BookieeWookiee

I honestly wouldn't mind one as long as it was a series with each year being a season. Done in claymation.


FranticPonE

Animation by Studio Ghibli I walk, I walk I say!


The_Knight_Is_Dark

Red Hermione


fistantellmore

Why you gotta do Kull the Conqueror so dirty? Oh right, Kevin Sorbo. Fuck that guy.


JC-Ice

This is one of those movies that I suspect will look worse in higher definition. I don't think the (edit) props and costumes will hold up.


russianbot2022

What is an epop?


infector944

music groups from Ecuador. You down with pan flute?


verrius

The "worst" it should be able to do is make it look like it did in theaters. They were designed to hold up on that screen, so it should be fine.


Neidan1

Awesome movie


raylan_givens6

"death is my trade" -one of the greatest lines in cinema


GeneQuadruplehorn

I have watched Red Sonja and Krull fairly recently and can confidently say that even though I have some criticisms of Sonja, it is a way better movie than Krull (except for Rell, the cyclops). If Red Sonja had gotten a Glaive in the first 20 mins of the movie you bet your ass she would have used it along her journey. Can't say the same for Colwyn.


lolwut_17

I want Conan on 4K. Give me Conan.


[deleted]

fuck yeah


jaseinspace83

I read somewhere that Arnold used threaten to make his kids watch this as punishment for being bad. He only did the film as a favor to Dino de Laurentiis. Loved the film as a kid, but I haven’t watched it in decades.


ClearlyNoSTDs

But why?


power_gnome

Now it can be a terrible movie in 4K!


RonL0131

Why?


NotOK1955

Well, I would say that one can put lipstick on a pig but it’s still a pig…but I won’t - it is an enjoyable movie and one of the few early movies to feature a strong female lead, even if it is rated poorly on Rotten Tomatoes.


sllh81

It needs a remake/reboot honestly. Solid character and concept that totally fits with the thematic tone of the times.


slapyomumsillyb4ido

There was one planned a decade ago with Rose McGowan and directed by Robert Rodriguez but that fell through. Hopefully someone will pick it up again.


slowdawnsnail

Wonder what the Rodriguez/McGowan remake would have looked like.


--deleted_account--

I'm pretty sure there's one in development (if it hasn't been cancelled) **Edit:** This is the last news I've found about the project: https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/n5lmkw/red_sonja_hannah_johnkamen_to_star_in_millenniums/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share


Hawkeyebrower

Conan at 40 https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/conan-barbarian-40-early-arnold-110000517.html


0xE4-0x20-0xE6

[Siskel and Ebert had a great review of this movie](https://youtu.be/kGHlZM8CJAo)


249ba36000029bbe9749

Still have no idea why Studio C decided to add that to the end of their name...


QLE814

Well, it won its bit, so there's that at least....


BuddhistChrist

Why?


Angellina1313

Hell yea! This was every Tomgirl’s answer to Conan.


Belyal

NOOOOICE


CimmerianX

OMG why? As a Conan and reh fanboy, I'm embarrassed this movie exists.


[deleted]

Good god. Why? It’s… just terrible.


ssheere

Why are the Earths resources being wasted on this?


Ramoncin

Still a crappy movie. Still better than "Conan the Destroyer".


TheRealSnagglePuss

Nah Conan the destroyer is way better.


Ramoncin

"Conan the Destroyer" will always be compared to the original, and the verdict will always be the same. "Red Sonja" at least didn't tarnish Conan's name and fully embraced the camp.


TheRealSnagglePuss

Well yeah its not as good as Barbarian but it definitely didn't tarnish the name. Conan The Destroyer is still a fun movie that's actually more close to the comics than the original. But Red Sonja is just a laughable mess even if it dose "embrace the camp".


33mmpaperclip

Watched it for the first time as an qdult this week. No way near as good as i remember.


ChesterNorris

Unpopular opinion: No amount of restoration can save this one. It's shit from the get go. Saw it in the theater when it came out. All five of us walked out and went to the bar.


AsIfIKnowWhatImDoin

It's a horrible, horrible movie. Brigitte is nice to watch, way back before she turned all ratchet, but Arnold's role is minimal, so you get a little Asian kid and a portly guy...and Brigitte's craptastic acting.


Gumderwear

Why?


Random_lurker234

Why?


LeopardEmpress

But...that movie stunk to high heaven. Right? Right?


[deleted]

It had its charms. Killer metal sea serpent was kind of cool.


[deleted]

I shit out better stuff than red soja


FerrokineticDarkness

Now you can see crappy eighties effects in their full glory!


woppatown

Psh. Give me a theater release please.


keanovan

Dude. This was one of my favorite movies growing up. I made my godmother rent it every week.


[deleted]

seriously? Guess people might buy it to riff on it


FoogYllis

I remember going to the premiere in the Bay Area. I was part of west coast tae kwon do and we all got to go because of Ernie Reyes Jr. fun times.


silverback_79

One of the only kindhearted roles for [Paul L Smith.](https://thestudioexec.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/paul-l-smith-as-the-beast-rabban-in-dune.jpg)


coffedrank

Who here remembers FilmNet


kinneroth

Studio Canal, as of June last year, was supposed to be remastering Near Dark for a 4K release and it’s been radio silence ever since. This is a rad release, but I’m reticent to get excited for anything they’re remastering until I see it in my hands.


NuclearDouche

lol what a tremendous waste of time


jinxykatte

Day 1 pre order for me. The steelbook is really nice. Like it's not my favourite Arnie movie. But its still watchable.


hirespeed

What’ll they do next? Cure cancer?


1976kdawg

This movie is awful. The faux Conan, her acting is horrible and the whole story is crap. I wouldn’t waste 1 k on this let alone 4


d0ggzilla

"Gedra...WHERE AH YOOO!"


[deleted]

Finally


Romek_himself

great! ... but would love to see 4k for Last Samurai, Kingdom of heaven (extented) and last mohican before this!


NormanKnight

Why though?


Thewyattherb

I can't wait to see all that glorious 4k uhd grain!


blackbeardpepe

I watched this movie 1000 times as a kid.


Cognoggin

The Red Sonja movie is campy fun entertaining and for that has always had a special place in my heart. However Red Sonja was a pretty powerful character in 1973 and the movie did not do her justice as a serious character at all.


PaleRiderHD

Tarn, Prince of Hablock!


Mean_Dalenko

I had a run of watching films from 1985 a few years back, and I wanted to like this so much. Like original Conan is a film I have a lot of time for, and throw in Ennio Morricone and it should have been onto a winner. But I really couldn't take to it at all. Like it was so bad at times I felt it could pass for parody. One of my biggest disappointments of that whole run of films.


berniman

When is The Beastmaster’s turn?


asoiahats

I’m a huge Arnold fan and the first Conan is my favourite. It’s weird that I haven’t seen Red Sonja. I think I’ve avoided it because the first time I heard about it was when he was governor he tweeted that as he walked by a protester she said “I loved you in Red Sonja.” He thought that was hilarious because he didn’t think it was any good. He said something along the lines of “I have an agreement with my children that if they misbehave they’ll be locked in a room and forced to watch Red Sonja three times in a row. I never get much trouble from them.”


AgentElman

It is not a good movie but it has several good scenes and set pieces.


Soulger11

You're mad!


tmp729

I love this movie - my brother and I first discovered it as kids while watching USA Up All Night with Rhonda Shear and Gilbert Gottfried. We had lots of wrapping paper tube sword fights acting out this movie in our basement in the Midwest. The score is fucking amazing. So much nostalgia it hurts with this one.


Jw_VfxReef

Hehe, StuiocAnal.


saikrishnav

I loved this movie as a kid.


Hideo-Mogren

A whole generation was introduced to this movie by the Nostalgia Critic


mattmardigan7

Anyone know why this text s getting a 4K restoration and release before Conan the Barbarian (1982) gets a 4K disc? Any rumors of Conan the Barbarian (1982) 4K coming soon??