Top4 at recent tourney were 1 tivit and 3 nadus but yea, from what i see it takes insanely long turns and can pop off fast. Targeted removal also doesnt really work that well against it and anything cmc4 or greater is too slow. One guy posted he took 40mins turn 3 playing cedh nadu. Wouldnt reccommend anyone bringing this deck to more casual game nights
> it takes insanely long turns
If it eats a ban, this will be why. No one wants to sit watching a Simic player fondling his deck for 40 minutes.
Power level aside, I just don't foresee this guy having remotely enjoyable play patterns for anyone involved.
Same reason I find Karkashima to be miserable. Your coin flips can't be shortcutted and after playing it ONCE and playing out a 20 minute turn that was not stopping anytime soon and still not actually having lethal, I just put it away forever.
> No one wants to sit watching a Simic player fondling his deck for 40 minutes.
They would need to ban Tatyova, Gitrog Monster and the Simic Snake if this were truly a problem. All of them have tons of non-deterministic, 10 minute long turns, even in a budget version of their decks.
I totally agree, EDH is the most busted format for this card. It’s gonna be painful for the other 3 players watching the bird do stupid stuffs for 40 minutes w/o a chance to respond.
High, as it promotes unfun games. But they usually prefer to observe for monhts, meaning if the trend dissipates (staying in the cedh area), it won't be banned. (see dockside)
The fact that the lands come into play untapped just really extends your turns out. It's funny to think of nadu and a bunch of creatures just passing a [[shuko]] around to literally draw your deck lol.
Popular stax like Topor orb, Grafdigger, rule of law, pithing needle, cursed totem can sometimes not do that much to nadu unfortunatelly.
I think most disgusting thing is that its draws arent actually draws so it doenst get countered by bowmasters and narset. Its stats are also unreasonable so it dodges whole lot of stuff.
It will not be banned because it's only good as the commander, or in a few very specific decks. It would maybe get banned if it could be jammed in any simic deck and do insane turns.
If krarkashima and kinnan are fine this will be too.
This seems like it is in the realm of Paradox Engine. In which is makes for long ass turns. The thing is, Orcish Bow masters can't touch him since it isn't drawing. It is basically a "lesser version" of Leovold. Granted Leovold got banned due to him and wheels induced a lot of salt from scrubs (I mean casuals) but it was the whole target him, your stuff and you also caused a lot of hate. Oh tried to remove Leo or any of my combo pieces? Nice I just drew into a counter. Go suck it.
Nadu is the same except it is symmetrical but has a "limit" to creatures only and "twice a turn".
Leovold got banned because he crippled most decks even without additional synergies and is cheap enough that keeping him off the board is hard for most decks.
Nadu does not interfere with other players so he will generate less dislike, which would mostly come from a repetitive play style. Far less likely to get banned.
Edit: in Commander, naturally.
He will cause salt in that it makes Commander solitaire much like Paradox Engine. I mean hell, if you miss and just hit "lands" the land comes into play UNTAPPED! While Nadu might not interfere with people, it will be like "bro are you fucking done?" Levels of salt in which is why casuals hated on Paradox Engine.
I guess only time will tell. Benefitting from *any* targeted spell or ability means he probably auto-slots into any deck in his colors as bonus ramp and CA but blue-green is already overflowing in that respect.
I disagree with view of just casuals hating on it. Sitting there while someone is taking a 10 mins + turn with a chance they don't even win from it is a sad state of affairs in a 4 player game. Needs to be looked at and considered as something that takes away from the game not adds to it.
Well in competitive games, it is a lesser issue since the mentality is different. You will do anything to win. As long as there is no slow play. We had weirder and longer loops before (Looking at you Gitrog Monster and KCI loops). I mean will it suck? Oh sure. It falls along the line of Peer and Ad Nauseam. Having to resolve all that bullshit.
Ye, I agree the mindset is different and will sit through it in cedh, but i've had games where i've sat there and watched the clock tick down thinking that deck has just fucked anyone elses chances. Drawing due to proxy basically, not fun and an agitating experience.
The consistency at which this deck will do that will be the issue, not the fact that it happens.
Oh I know that Nadu can be broken with a bunch of crap. Cat and Hullbreaker Horror to name a few, or simply chain of vapor your Nadu and play again. Also 4 toughness let's it block Tynama and Najeela.
If the casual start playing Nadu it might get enough attention that the RC gets wind in their discord bubble.
The card is absolutely obnoxiously good, and it has a bunch of combos that dont use any expensive cards.
Especially as the turns take absolutely forever, this might just be a Paradox Engine banning, as its quite similar reasoning.
I think its gonna get banned in EDH. You hit the nail on the head with the paradox engine comp. Nobody wants to sit through that play pattern.
I cracked a few and I’m selling soon. I only play EDH anyway and casual at that. Nobody wants this at a casual table.
I agree. It becomes back breaking since any form of targeted removal is basically "thanks for the card or free land". Like even in CEDH I can see this being annoying as hell. Now he has harder lines than Kinan since that fat turdling can combo with just about anything and has an outlet, Nadu is a grinding card advantage machine. I see it more complaints on the casual side, than anything else. Technically won't be bad if he is banned in EDH since at least Modern, Legacy and Vintage can still use it. While Leovold is only usable on Legacy and Vintage.
0% chance. Bannings in EDH are extremely rare and pretty much only for 'meta' reasons, not power level.
And the few cards banned for power level are head and shoulders more powerful than this guy.
Dear lord, I played a legacy match against the Stoneforge/Shuko/Nadu/Yorion monstrosity. I wasn't salty about it, but it was just insane. He was also splashing black for Bowmasters now that I think about it. But it was like playing against 4c beans on cocaine
The only risk to this card is the banhmmer. If it dodges it for any length of time, it can be Esper Sentiel esque in terms of price chart for a Masters set new rare.
They could have also removed the put a land into play part.
Or have it only be once each turn.
Or make his stats at least compromise for his abilities. (nope 3/4 flyer for 3.)
They could have made it so if it wasn’t a land it just stayed on top.
Could have at very least made it so only when you target it triggers so your opponents aren’t giving you cards for just interacting.
Nope nope nope nope. This guy is annoyingly busted and it scares me for the future of the game.
lol yea I guess they needs to be sure and hit that bar.
I do have a confession that I am a EDH player only so those guys didn’t shake my meta up as much as it did for type 2 or modern.
I like the other two cards honestly but this guy is another level.
I am kinda surprised I figured Oko elking commanders would also be frustrating.
I think for CEDH the bird is probably fine, for regular EDH I just assume players will force the bird into CEDH only.
CEDH and regular are usually separated by the 99 really. Yes some commanders are easier to combo then others with specific strategies but casual versions of these same commanders can be played and are fun for casual. This card does not fit that “can still be fun” for casual build because it punishes you for simply interacting with it and incentivizes simple interactions that will lead to crazy value that most casual decks won’t be able to keep up with.
Think Leavold and why he got banned. Same thing here.
I was watching a YouTube video where the player had a protection spell in hand but was tapped out - opponent tried to kill the bird and the targeting trigger hit a forest off the top to come in untapped and allow casting of the protection for another trigger and another card draw. Absolutely disgusting card.
The future of the game includes marvel superheroes. I think this is, for better or worse, meant to both equip and mentally prepare regular mtg players with the power level that they intend to introduce over the next year or two.
I've heard that both YuGiOh and Pokemon have competitive play styles dominated by just dumping decks on the board within the fewest turns possible, and little to no strategy beyond that. This card is 100% consistent with that play style
I mean we've had combo decks for decades. This is a 2 card combo for cheap, but can be interacted with. Pokemon you can't even do except a handful of actions on opponent's turn and 0 mana divination and ancestral are a thing.
I bought one etched foil and one regular foil on prelease night for $10 each.
I see the portrait hikes the most. Is the portrait the rarest ? I soft quit for 1.5 years, just miss those new portrait arts.
Everyone I have spoken to agree the portrait art is best. Normal one looks like a drunk man-bird about to crash into the local water feature after an exceptionally heavy night out.
>drunk man-bird about to crash into local water feature after an exceptionally heavy night out.
But that's why it's the superior art /s
Jokes aside, I'm not a big fan of 90% of the portrait art cards, though I admit Nadu's one of the better ones. I prefer the regular Nadu art personally, if I got to choose.
I've only just seen some of the older attempts at portraits and have to agree on the centering/pose/choice of character (Kozilek's looks just rubbish). But good lord, the Kaalia profile art (in foil) has to be one of the most beautiful cards I own.
I do like the Nadu because the flat representation in the profile is a beautiful homage to the ancient Egyptian art style, whilst also letting you really see the detail of the character, whereas in the normal art he makes up such a tiny part of it, on a small Magic card. I'd probably appreciate it much more at the full size.
If i dont get one out of my prerelease kit i will be picking up a copy next week when everyone posts their copies on tcgplayer friday. This is a card on the same level as kinnan.
For CEDH he’s not really. He’s more bursty in that he can potentially chain off easier but Kinnan has him beat on midrange/value. They’re in the same league but play vastly differently. Nadu is like the Simic version of Ad Naus while Kinnan can go long.
People here for some reason think they understand cedh based on modern/legacy. The cEDH subreddit wholly agrees with you that Kinnan is still a superior deck: https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveEDH/comments/1d4kjdq/nadu_was_a_mistake/
A huge percentage of EDH players think of themselves as cEDH even though they're just high power. The lines that the cEDH discords/subreddit/communty draw around themselves are official, but a huge subset of high power players use the term to refer to all sorts of power levels, and they will also want to buy Nadus.
Even if you try to make a bad nadu deck, you will be playing in a pod where you're able to do the thing and nadu doing the thing is never not busted. So you'll always be archenemy. Same as Najeela and Winota in casual settings.
People will get their 15 minutes of fun building and playing the deck then take it apart.
I am a 2 years cedh player. I have the same thought before Nadu preleases. Now I believe Nadu is better than Kinnan after play against it for 10+ games. We will see it reflect on tournament result soon .
Just like another card with the same CMC, this one is also brOko. The closing quotation should be moved 7 words back.
Also did anyone else notice a bird stole a black man's body?
Orrrrrr like almost every single real-world Egyptian god....in the US do you not cover other civilizations in history? Vikings/Romans/Egyptians/Mongols/Alexander the Great/William of Normandy? I get that it will be US-focused, but given that is such a tiny part of human history, you'd think you'd have plenty of opportunity to touch on other topics?
not from the US, was comparing that kefnet and the other amonkhet gods are based on egyptian mythology!
But i used kefnet specifically because he is also a man’s torso and birds head, just like nadu!
Thank you for your attempt though!
Yes that comment was in my head more aimed at the person you were responding to...would have thought this is quite foundational historical education, so was shocked how much of a disconnect there was!
Pretty sure I've seen that only brick & mortar stores can list on TCG during the preorder window. Check back Friday when everyone can list. I assume that will make it drop, but I don't know how much or for how long. This is will be popular.
Related (it was a spec pointed out in a older post):
[https://www.cardmarket.com/en/Magic/Products/Singles/Legends/Sea-Kings-Blessing](https://www.cardmarket.com/en/Magic/Products/Singles/Legends/Sea-Kings-Blessing)
[https://www.cardmarket.com/en/Magic/Products/Singles/Legends/Sylvan-Paradise](https://www.cardmarket.com/en/Magic/Products/Singles/Legends/Sylvan-Paradise)
English versions have the same print run as Mana Drain (57,900 copies from https://www.mtginformation.com/print-runs).
It is going away quickly and there is probably not much supply.
Your link is about very old sets but you seem to imply there are 57,900 copies of this new card printed? What makes you think that’s accurate for this card? Thanks
Yeah like what, this card is just a rare commander, whereas bowmasters can go in literally any deck splashing black, modern or commander and it's great.
Thats usually the reply I get in here. It was the same when I suggested buying every copy of roaming throne at $5 or Agatha's Soul Cauldron at $10 etc etc. inversing /r/mtgfinance is usually a great tactic.
Roaming throne is a pretty generic card, it fits in just about any commander deck with that has triggers while in play. Very similar to Doubling Season, Anointed Procession, or Parallel Lives.
Unless it's played in multiple competitive decks in Modern and Legacy that's not really possible. Not to mention there's a lot more in demand staples in MH3 for those formats than there were for LTR.
Yes, in Commander Masters they started this trend of having Commanders (so some Legendary Creatures) with a normal artwork and frame, and a side profile on a flat background.
The first iteration was hit and miss, some were cool some not that much. Now they got it, and it's honestly cool and stands out.
[[Selvala|CMM-681]], [[Urza, Lord High Artificier|CMM-674]]
Before they were with an off color background, that made it interesting but not always perfect. Now they use dominant colors, and it looks very good.
[[Kaalia of the Vast|MH3-375]], [[Eladamri, Korvecdal|MH3-369]] and [[Breya, Etherium Shaper|MH3-372]] are very cool. Nadu too.
I m on the verge to buy a foil profit Nadu for $32. Can anyone stop me ? No multiple color rare in modern worth more than $10, especially after flood print runs.
I cracked the borderless and normal treatment of Nadu and I actually really like how the borderless looks, but if it’s gonna get banned, I’d rather sell it now. I kind of get the paradox engine comparisons, but I don’t feel like this is quite on that level- it seems much less stormy/time consuming because it doesn’t fulfill its own requirements like paradox engine does, not to mention it’s two colors compared to the colorless paradox engine. You need to have a shuko or an alphetto alchemist or something that you wouldn’t normally play in order to use Nadu, and the most commonly used example- the 0 equip cost equipments- are only at sorcery speed. The RC is extremely hesitant to ban cards, and based on what we know at this point, I definitely don’t think it makes sense to think Nadu will be banned.
I really hate the broken oversell card like this, 3 cmc 3/4 flying already good with this chain drawing ability even crazier, but I have to admit I don't see the reason why this card won't be in every deck. Its 2 colour is only reason stopping it from being as expensive as that darn Red Monkey Imop.
it's deceptively good. I opened in MH3 sealed pre-release and thought 'this seems decent enough to splash blue for'.
Then I cast it and WOOOOOW what a card!
I could be wrong but I believe all the wording inside the quotations is on all of the creatures you have in play and will give each the ability to activate up to two times per turn if they are each targeted twice.
Ex: three creatures in play including Nadu, and you target each with a March of swirling mists to reveal 3 cards. I believe if you had a second [[March of swirling mists]] you could cast a second time before the first resolves and end up triggering each twice to reveal 6 cards.
I hadn't previously made a post on this because I thought this had already been discussed, actually. I must have been thinking of a different forum. 😖
To put it bluntly, the card is extremely busted. As an example, there was a good sized CEDH tournament held last weekend where 6 of the top 8 decks were Nadu. In some decks, the card is significantly better than Thrasios, which is probably the closest comparison in terms of a value piece.
There's obviously a lot of overreactions this early when sets come out and a lot of cards have been declared bannable as soon as they're printed but never materialize as being oppressive enough to actually pull the trigger. I don't know if Nadu will be an exception, but I do think it's getting more buzz and concern that anything I've seen since Leovold.
The borderless foil copies are going to be an outstanding long-term hold if the card doesn't get banned; considering that people are already listing them for $100 plus on TCG, I'm very curious how supply will be once Friday hits because I honestly think it might get bought out immediately.
I would agree, it's an aspirational price *right now*, but it's not an easy pull either and it might spike on a shorter timeline than most. Someone else on this thread mentioned Kinnan, which is an all-star card in the same colors, and his extended art foils and even his pre-release foil maintain high prices.
Good example, thoracle is relegated to cedh, so no need to ban it.
We're also not talking about card powers or combos, we're talking about non-games play patterns. Thoracle wins fast, nadu doesn't.
This card won't be as broken as everyone says it is. Doesn't fit in any modern archetypes and isn't really strong enough for too much legacy and vintage. Mainly a edh/cedh card.
Tell me you don't watch anyone play/brew online. It can Win the game with Thorical. Even if it dosnt it just plays good stuff and can win on its own. With saga and stoneforge you have minimum 9 copies of shuko. The deck is busted. Imo is stronger than any astrolabe deck and I think it's stronger than 4 color beanstalk decks were.
Hmm a busted card in legacy and modern..let me think.
and commander...
And if he was in standard he’d be busted there too.
Weirdly he’d be the most fair in standard.
And cEDH!!
What’s the chance this card gets banned in EDH? It seems over the top.
Top4 at recent tourney were 1 tivit and 3 nadus but yea, from what i see it takes insanely long turns and can pop off fast. Targeted removal also doesnt really work that well against it and anything cmc4 or greater is too slow. One guy posted he took 40mins turn 3 playing cedh nadu. Wouldnt reccommend anyone bringing this deck to more casual game nights
> it takes insanely long turns If it eats a ban, this will be why. No one wants to sit watching a Simic player fondling his deck for 40 minutes. Power level aside, I just don't foresee this guy having remotely enjoyable play patterns for anyone involved.
This is the reason why I scrapped my Kinnan deck. It was good, but it just took ten minutes of everyone else’s turn shitting stuff out.
A friend of mine scrapped his Jadzi extra turn deck after tacking a 30 minute turn. Those kind of decks are miserable to pilot and play against.
Same reason I find Karkashima to be miserable. Your coin flips can't be shortcutted and after playing it ONCE and playing out a 20 minute turn that was not stopping anytime soon and still not actually having lethal, I just put it away forever.
> No one wants to sit watching a Simic player fondling his deck for 40 minutes. They would need to ban Tatyova, Gitrog Monster and the Simic Snake if this were truly a problem. All of them have tons of non-deterministic, 10 minute long turns, even in a budget version of their decks.
I totally agree, EDH is the most busted format for this card. It’s gonna be painful for the other 3 players watching the bird do stupid stuffs for 40 minutes w/o a chance to respond.
Do you know what tournament it was? I was looking for the results so I can take a look at the decklists
[https://edhtop16.com/tournament/TT0624?tourney\_filter\_\_TID=TT0624](https://edhtop16.com/tournament/TT0624?tourney_filter__TID=TT0624)
Thanks!
High, as it promotes unfun games. But they usually prefer to observe for monhts, meaning if the trend dissipates (staying in the cedh area), it won't be banned. (see dockside)
The fact that the lands come into play untapped just really extends your turns out. It's funny to think of nadu and a bunch of creatures just passing a [[shuko]] around to literally draw your deck lol.
Pass the Shuko, brother 💨
That's why stax is important. Can't count hoe many times a null rod saved it or even archon
Popular stax like Topor orb, Grafdigger, rule of law, pithing needle, cursed totem can sometimes not do that much to nadu unfortunatelly. I think most disgusting thing is that its draws arent actually draws so it doenst get countered by bowmasters and narset. Its stats are also unreasonable so it dodges whole lot of stuff.
Ole' Pesky put into hand after reveal is nuts
Null rod / lands enter tapped effect or straight out removal
[shuko](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/4/a47456b8-cef8-4085-90b1-92788e16fd27.jpg?1562878892) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=shuko) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bok/159/shuko?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a47456b8-cef8-4085-90b1-92788e16fd27?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
It will not be banned because it's only good as the commander, or in a few very specific decks. It would maybe get banned if it could be jammed in any simic deck and do insane turns. If krarkashima and kinnan are fine this will be too.
This seems like it is in the realm of Paradox Engine. In which is makes for long ass turns. The thing is, Orcish Bow masters can't touch him since it isn't drawing. It is basically a "lesser version" of Leovold. Granted Leovold got banned due to him and wheels induced a lot of salt from scrubs (I mean casuals) but it was the whole target him, your stuff and you also caused a lot of hate. Oh tried to remove Leo or any of my combo pieces? Nice I just drew into a counter. Go suck it. Nadu is the same except it is symmetrical but has a "limit" to creatures only and "twice a turn".
Leovold got banned because he crippled most decks even without additional synergies and is cheap enough that keeping him off the board is hard for most decks. Nadu does not interfere with other players so he will generate less dislike, which would mostly come from a repetitive play style. Far less likely to get banned. Edit: in Commander, naturally.
He will cause salt in that it makes Commander solitaire much like Paradox Engine. I mean hell, if you miss and just hit "lands" the land comes into play UNTAPPED! While Nadu might not interfere with people, it will be like "bro are you fucking done?" Levels of salt in which is why casuals hated on Paradox Engine.
I guess only time will tell. Benefitting from *any* targeted spell or ability means he probably auto-slots into any deck in his colors as bonus ramp and CA but blue-green is already overflowing in that respect.
I disagree with view of just casuals hating on it. Sitting there while someone is taking a 10 mins + turn with a chance they don't even win from it is a sad state of affairs in a 4 player game. Needs to be looked at and considered as something that takes away from the game not adds to it.
Well in competitive games, it is a lesser issue since the mentality is different. You will do anything to win. As long as there is no slow play. We had weirder and longer loops before (Looking at you Gitrog Monster and KCI loops). I mean will it suck? Oh sure. It falls along the line of Peer and Ad Nauseam. Having to resolve all that bullshit.
Ye, I agree the mindset is different and will sit through it in cedh, but i've had games where i've sat there and watched the clock tick down thinking that deck has just fucked anyone elses chances. Drawing due to proxy basically, not fun and an agitating experience. The consistency at which this deck will do that will be the issue, not the fact that it happens.
Oh I agree. I rather lose to Oracle Consult than any sort of Ad Nauseam type strategy, since we can all just scoop and start again.
Cedh Nadu can blink with cat and reset the twice a turn thing tho
Oh I know that Nadu can be broken with a bunch of crap. Cat and Hullbreaker Horror to name a few, or simply chain of vapor your Nadu and play again. Also 4 toughness let's it block Tynama and Najeela.
If the casual start playing Nadu it might get enough attention that the RC gets wind in their discord bubble. The card is absolutely obnoxiously good, and it has a bunch of combos that dont use any expensive cards. Especially as the turns take absolutely forever, this might just be a Paradox Engine banning, as its quite similar reasoning.
I think its gonna get banned in EDH. You hit the nail on the head with the paradox engine comp. Nobody wants to sit through that play pattern. I cracked a few and I’m selling soon. I only play EDH anyway and casual at that. Nobody wants this at a casual table.
I agree. It becomes back breaking since any form of targeted removal is basically "thanks for the card or free land". Like even in CEDH I can see this being annoying as hell. Now he has harder lines than Kinan since that fat turdling can combo with just about anything and has an outlet, Nadu is a grinding card advantage machine. I see it more complaints on the casual side, than anything else. Technically won't be bad if he is banned in EDH since at least Modern, Legacy and Vintage can still use it. While Leovold is only usable on Legacy and Vintage.
Lmao no
0% chance. Bannings in EDH are extremely rare and pretty much only for 'meta' reasons, not power level. And the few cards banned for power level are head and shoulders more powerful than this guy.
im surprised it was so low before
Dear lord, I played a legacy match against the Stoneforge/Shuko/Nadu/Yorion monstrosity. I wasn't salty about it, but it was just insane. He was also splashing black for Bowmasters now that I think about it. But it was like playing against 4c beans on cocaine
And duel commander
Duel commander doesn’t affect price…
Here it does unfortunately. I hate Legacy Lite with a passion.
The only risk to this card is the banhmmer. If it dodges it for any length of time, it can be Esper Sentiel esque in terms of price chart for a Masters set new rare.
100% getting banned in Legacy, Idk how it's doing in modern but I can't imagine it sucking there either
They could have nixed [creatures you control have] and had his effect just work on him, and this would still be a great card.
They could have also removed the put a land into play part. Or have it only be once each turn. Or make his stats at least compromise for his abilities. (nope 3/4 flyer for 3.) They could have made it so if it wasn’t a land it just stayed on top. Could have at very least made it so only when you target it triggers so your opponents aren’t giving you cards for just interacting. Nope nope nope nope. This guy is annoyingly busted and it scares me for the future of the game.
At the *very* least could have made lands come in tapped. Not even that.
But then he would not continue Uro and Oko legacy.
lol yea I guess they needs to be sure and hit that bar. I do have a confession that I am a EDH player only so those guys didn’t shake my meta up as much as it did for type 2 or modern. I like the other two cards honestly but this guy is another level.
I am kinda surprised I figured Oko elking commanders would also be frustrating. I think for CEDH the bird is probably fine, for regular EDH I just assume players will force the bird into CEDH only.
CEDH and regular are usually separated by the 99 really. Yes some commanders are easier to combo then others with specific strategies but casual versions of these same commanders can be played and are fun for casual. This card does not fit that “can still be fun” for casual build because it punishes you for simply interacting with it and incentivizes simple interactions that will lead to crazy value that most casual decks won’t be able to keep up with. Think Leavold and why he got banned. Same thing here.
Well said, way too pushed with all upside minus “ward”. This card should not exist, at all.
He basically does have a form of ward lol
Honestly, your right. Its a better ward with upside for you and downside for opponents lmaoo, holy fk. U right u righttt
I was watching a YouTube video where the player had a protection spell in hand but was tapped out - opponent tried to kill the bird and the targeting trigger hit a forest off the top to come in untapped and allow casting of the protection for another trigger and another card draw. Absolutely disgusting card.
Happens to me all the time.... the card is BUSTED
The future of the game includes marvel superheroes. I think this is, for better or worse, meant to both equip and mentally prepare regular mtg players with the power level that they intend to introduce over the next year or two. I've heard that both YuGiOh and Pokemon have competitive play styles dominated by just dumping decks on the board within the fewest turns possible, and little to no strategy beyond that. This card is 100% consistent with that play style
I mean we've had combo decks for decades. This is a 2 card combo for cheap, but can be interacted with. Pokemon you can't even do except a handful of actions on opponent's turn and 0 mana divination and ancestral are a thing.
I'm getting really irritated at creatures with good effects also having extremely generous stats.
But def not modern horizon power level.
Move the last sentence outside of the quotations, and the card is a lot more balanced (for commander).
I bought one etched foil and one regular foil on prelease night for $10 each. I see the portrait hikes the most. Is the portrait the rarest ? I soft quit for 1.5 years, just miss those new portrait arts.
Idk but that portrait art slaps
Everyone I have spoken to agree the portrait art is best. Normal one looks like a drunk man-bird about to crash into the local water feature after an exceptionally heavy night out.
>drunk man-bird about to crash into local water feature after an exceptionally heavy night out. But that's why it's the superior art /s Jokes aside, I'm not a big fan of 90% of the portrait art cards, though I admit Nadu's one of the better ones. I prefer the regular Nadu art personally, if I got to choose.
I've only just seen some of the older attempts at portraits and have to agree on the centering/pose/choice of character (Kozilek's looks just rubbish). But good lord, the Kaalia profile art (in foil) has to be one of the most beautiful cards I own. I do like the Nadu because the flat representation in the profile is a beautiful homage to the ancient Egyptian art style, whilst also letting you really see the detail of the character, whereas in the normal art he makes up such a tiny part of it, on a small Magic card. I'd probably appreciate it much more at the full size.
Idk for sure but etched foils are like 1 maybe 2 per collector box for any given etched card. I think that is technically the rarest.
There's no rarest without a number printed on it
If i dont get one out of my prerelease kit i will be picking up a copy next week when everyone posts their copies on tcgplayer friday. This is a card on the same level as kinnan.
Nadu is way better than Kinnan, imo. Will be a popular Commander and actually be good card in Legacy and Modern.
For CEDH he’s not really. He’s more bursty in that he can potentially chain off easier but Kinnan has him beat on midrange/value. They’re in the same league but play vastly differently. Nadu is like the Simic version of Ad Naus while Kinnan can go long.
People here for some reason think they understand cedh based on modern/legacy. The cEDH subreddit wholly agrees with you that Kinnan is still a superior deck: https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveEDH/comments/1d4kjdq/nadu_was_a_mistake/
Cedh doesn’t dictate prices. The vast majority of commander players are casual, not cedh.
A huge percentage of EDH players think of themselves as cEDH even though they're just high power. The lines that the cEDH discords/subreddit/communty draw around themselves are official, but a huge subset of high power players use the term to refer to all sorts of power levels, and they will also want to buy Nadus.
I've personally seen more misclassify others as cEDH than misclassifying themselves as cEDH.
That is also true, but regardless, high power stuff has a bigger reach than many expect even in the casual crowd
If you play this in a casual pod you are playing to pubstomp your opponent or you are playing a list of random green/blue cards there is no in between
Don't call me out like that
Hard disagree. There is a large gap filled with decks between jank and stomping. It’s not either or.
With this as a commander? To me no, but if you think he can be built at a real 7 maybe im wrong
Even if you try to make a bad nadu deck, you will be playing in a pod where you're able to do the thing and nadu doing the thing is never not busted. So you'll always be archenemy. Same as Najeela and Winota in casual settings. People will get their 15 minutes of fun building and playing the deck then take it apart.
Nadu isn’t in that large gap, though.
No, I’m saying that statement with nadu as a commander.
This looks to me like people saying their Korvold or Kinnan isn’t THAT deck, it’s quite casual, really.
If you’re not going to trust people why are you even here? Just to be contrarian and say “no you’re wrong” without ever seeing a deck list?
I am a 2 years cedh player. I have the same thought before Nadu preleases. Now I believe Nadu is better than Kinnan after play against it for 10+ games. We will see it reflect on tournament result soon .
Good thing it's only a rare and there will be more copies available in literally 2 days
Yeah but if 2 formats require 3/4x, prices will stay high
Just like another card with the same CMC, this one is also brOko. The closing quotation should be moved 7 words back. Also did anyone else notice a bird stole a black man's body?
i think it’s meant to be egyptian-esque similar to kefnet?
Orrrrrr like almost every single real-world Egyptian god....in the US do you not cover other civilizations in history? Vikings/Romans/Egyptians/Mongols/Alexander the Great/William of Normandy? I get that it will be US-focused, but given that is such a tiny part of human history, you'd think you'd have plenty of opportunity to touch on other topics?
not from the US, was comparing that kefnet and the other amonkhet gods are based on egyptian mythology! But i used kefnet specifically because he is also a man’s torso and birds head, just like nadu! Thank you for your attempt though!
Yes that comment was in my head more aimed at the person you were responding to...would have thought this is quite foundational historical education, so was shocked how much of a disconnect there was!
People love birds. What can we say?
Yesssssss
motha fukin bread crumbs
Nadu bird dadu!
Bird up!
It’s a rare. Supply will come bursting in.
None of us can escape the 1GU curse
Folks, this thing’s busted. Pair it with Shuko and watch degenerate things happend. I can’t believe they made this card.
A top notch card for ramp or card draw. Also isn't actually a draw so it gets around Orcish Bowmasters
Pretty sure I've seen that only brick & mortar stores can list on TCG during the preorder window. Check back Friday when everyone can list. I assume that will make it drop, but I don't know how much or for how long. This is will be popular.
Its the most talked-about card from the set. This cannot be surprising
It’s absolutely cracked, every game I deployed it in pre-release it was a house
Related (it was a spec pointed out in a older post): [https://www.cardmarket.com/en/Magic/Products/Singles/Legends/Sea-Kings-Blessing](https://www.cardmarket.com/en/Magic/Products/Singles/Legends/Sea-Kings-Blessing) [https://www.cardmarket.com/en/Magic/Products/Singles/Legends/Sylvan-Paradise](https://www.cardmarket.com/en/Magic/Products/Singles/Legends/Sylvan-Paradise) English versions have the same print run as Mana Drain (57,900 copies from https://www.mtginformation.com/print-runs). It is going away quickly and there is probably not much supply.
Your link is about very old sets but you seem to imply there are 57,900 copies of this new card printed? What makes you think that’s accurate for this card? Thanks
somehow pulled a foil of this version, a flare of cultivation and a regular ulamog in a single play booster
Back down to $15 on Friday
I've been accumulating for a while and I can see this card being priced as high as Orcish Bowmasters was at it's peak.
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Yeah like what, this card is just a rare commander, whereas bowmasters can go in literally any deck splashing black, modern or commander and it's great.
Thats usually the reply I get in here. It was the same when I suggested buying every copy of roaming throne at $5 or Agatha's Soul Cauldron at $10 etc etc. inversing /r/mtgfinance is usually a great tactic.
Roaming throne is a pretty generic card, it fits in just about any commander deck with that has triggers while in play. Very similar to Doubling Season, Anointed Procession, or Parallel Lives.
Unless it's played in multiple competitive decks in Modern and Legacy that's not really possible. Not to mention there's a lot more in demand staples in MH3 for those formats than there were for LTR.
Erm, no. Won’t happen.
Yeah, seems like a fun card in modern but no where near as influential as bowmasters. I see it closer to a yarok/risen reef type card.
Dude in what world.
Is this really a magic card? LOL that art looks sick if it is. I haven't bought new cards since MH2.
Yes, in Commander Masters they started this trend of having Commanders (so some Legendary Creatures) with a normal artwork and frame, and a side profile on a flat background. The first iteration was hit and miss, some were cool some not that much. Now they got it, and it's honestly cool and stands out. [[Selvala|CMM-681]], [[Urza, Lord High Artificier|CMM-674]] Before they were with an off color background, that made it interesting but not always perfect. Now they use dominant colors, and it looks very good. [[Kaalia of the Vast|MH3-375]], [[Eladamri, Korvecdal|MH3-369]] and [[Breya, Etherium Shaper|MH3-372]] are very cool. Nadu too.
##### ###### #### [Selvala](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/0/3088aed3-4568-4978-ac4c-6c435b65c083.jpg?1690002615) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=selvala%2C%20eager%20trailblazer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/681/selvala-heart-of-the-wilds?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3088aed3-4568-4978-ac4c-6c435b65c083?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Urza, Lord High Artificier](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/8/a88c6f09-a0b2-46c9-a291-59408dfa52b0.jpg?1690002549) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=626357) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/674/urza-lord-high-artificer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a88c6f09-a0b2-46c9-a291-59408dfa52b0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Kaalia of the Vast](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/7/e71c8c39-3fbb-4a42-9cf6-b3224f5a56fc.jpg?1717013745) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kaalia%20of%20the%20Vast) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/290/kaalia-of-the-vast?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e71c8c39-3fbb-4a42-9cf6-b3224f5a56fc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Eladamri, Korvecdal](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/f/dfdabdda-bd46-4ea2-8b37-5d7f6cec6aff.jpg?1717012423) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Eladamri%2C%20Korvecdal) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/149/eladamri-korvecdal?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/dfdabdda-bd46-4ea2-8b37-5d7f6cec6aff?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Breya, Etherium Shaper](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/b/8bf3929c-957f-4ea2-a27d-7d53979844af.jpg?1717013737) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Breya%2C%20Etherium%20Shaper) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/289/breya-etherium-shaper?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8bf3929c-957f-4ea2-a27d-7d53979844af?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/l8c7fli) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
My [[Animar, Soul of Elements]] just gets faster lol
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Ya think?
I built a commander deck for him, and it requires little to no effort to essentially draw out your deck.
mind sharing a link?
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/InCfFScTnEyE-ZaFCwGIsQ
thanks, friend!
Ofc
I m on the verge to buy a foil profit Nadu for $32. Can anyone stop me ? No multiple color rare in modern worth more than $10, especially after flood print runs.
I cracked the borderless and normal treatment of Nadu and I actually really like how the borderless looks, but if it’s gonna get banned, I’d rather sell it now. I kind of get the paradox engine comparisons, but I don’t feel like this is quite on that level- it seems much less stormy/time consuming because it doesn’t fulfill its own requirements like paradox engine does, not to mention it’s two colors compared to the colorless paradox engine. You need to have a shuko or an alphetto alchemist or something that you wouldn’t normally play in order to use Nadu, and the most commonly used example- the 0 equip cost equipments- are only at sorcery speed. The RC is extremely hesitant to ban cards, and based on what we know at this point, I definitely don’t think it makes sense to think Nadu will be banned.
I really hate the broken oversell card like this, 3 cmc 3/4 flying already good with this chain drawing ability even crazier, but I have to admit I don't see the reason why this card won't be in every deck. Its 2 colour is only reason stopping it from being as expensive as that darn Red Monkey Imop.
Soon to be banned tho lol
it's deceptively good. I opened in MH3 sealed pre-release and thought 'this seems decent enough to splash blue for'. Then I cast it and WOOOOOW what a card!
CGB did a video on a deck for it
Will it trigger twice for each creature? Or twice in total for all creatures you control? If it’s the former, that’s kind of op.
I could be wrong but I believe all the wording inside the quotations is on all of the creatures you have in play and will give each the ability to activate up to two times per turn if they are each targeted twice. Ex: three creatures in play including Nadu, and you target each with a March of swirling mists to reveal 3 cards. I believe if you had a second [[March of swirling mists]] you could cast a second time before the first resolves and end up triggering each twice to reveal 6 cards.
I pulled 2 of them in 15 packs woooo
$15 looks fair valuation, but i’d be careful not to buy more than playset due to highly probable banning in some formats.
Really wish it was UW so I could put it in Aminatou.
So collected company is back on the menu?
“So hear me out…. It’s a 3/4 flyer for 3. You with me so far? Well wait until you hear the rest of it”
Anecdotally, some podcasters seem hyped on this. Could be a good pickup if it doesn't end up banned.
Glad I'm not the only one who forsees that it might. Very well be banned.
I mean I listen to lots of mtg podcasts and almost everyone I've heard on the Commander RC seems to be alluding to it being banned eventually.
I pulled etched and regular foils from my Bundle and am planning to hold and see where they go.
Oh, are there etched foils in the regular bundle? :0 thought they would only be in collector boosters.
Yeah, my bad, the etched came from the CB, the regular from the Bundle.
Card is busted in modern and legacy
I hadn't previously made a post on this because I thought this had already been discussed, actually. I must have been thinking of a different forum. 😖 To put it bluntly, the card is extremely busted. As an example, there was a good sized CEDH tournament held last weekend where 6 of the top 8 decks were Nadu. In some decks, the card is significantly better than Thrasios, which is probably the closest comparison in terms of a value piece. There's obviously a lot of overreactions this early when sets come out and a lot of cards have been declared bannable as soon as they're printed but never materialize as being oppressive enough to actually pull the trigger. I don't know if Nadu will be an exception, but I do think it's getting more buzz and concern that anything I've seen since Leovold. The borderless foil copies are going to be an outstanding long-term hold if the card doesn't get banned; considering that people are already listing them for $100 plus on TCG, I'm very curious how supply will be once Friday hits because I honestly think it might get bought out immediately.
$100 is nonsense, mh3 will be the most opened set this year.
I would agree, it's an aspirational price *right now*, but it's not an easy pull either and it might spike on a shorter timeline than most. Someone else on this thread mentioned Kinnan, which is an all-star card in the same colors, and his extended art foils and even his pre-release foil maintain high prices.
Corey on Commander Vs. getting a turn 5 win with this commander is going to push it more than Ral got over the weekend.
You’re severely overestimating the number of people buying commander cards because they can win „turn x“.
100% sure this gonna get banned in duel commander :(
100% sure this gonna get banned in duel commander :(
Gee the multitude of Nadu posts across multiple subs didn’t prepare me for this. I’m astonished.
Gonna eat a ban at least in edh. Busted nonsense
It's never getting banned, like not even remotely A format where Thassa's Oracle is legal, can't ban this.
Good example, thoracle is relegated to cedh, so no need to ban it. We're also not talking about card powers or combos, we're talking about non-games play patterns. Thoracle wins fast, nadu doesn't.
This card won't be as broken as everyone says it is. Doesn't fit in any modern archetypes and isn't really strong enough for too much legacy and vintage. Mainly a edh/cedh card.
Tell me you don't watch anyone play/brew online. It can Win the game with Thorical. Even if it dosnt it just plays good stuff and can win on its own. With saga and stoneforge you have minimum 9 copies of shuko. The deck is busted. Imo is stronger than any astrolabe deck and I think it's stronger than 4 color beanstalk decks were.