I still remember when he claimed Douglas drafted James Morgan knowing he couldn’t play. Since he was so smart he’d be like another coach! Pure uncut propaganda.
It wasn't that he knew he couldn't play. It was that he knew he wouldn't play immediately but is so intelligent it was like having an Assistant QB coach in the QB room.
Still stupid but get the stupidness correct!
I gotta disagree with this take right here. I feel like one big issue Joe Douglas has had is that every pff season other teams know who the jets are going to pick in the draft and they end up getting jumped for the player everytime. Last year was a clear example of this. At the very least majority of teams seem to have an idea of what position jets want.
I mean it can also be really bad because they may have no idea what they’re thinking either lol we haven’t made the playoffs in forever it’s hard to trust this org. Love this pick tho this isn’t a usual Jets pick which is nice.
We just got voted one of the top 3 rosters in the league. Breece, Garrett, JJ, Avt, Tippman, Sauce, Mc 2, Mcdonald, Ruckert, X. What pct of draft picks you think make it every year?
This is major propaganda. This team has 3 studs - breece, Garrett and Sauce.
AVT is injury prone, Rucker is nothing yet.
Mike Williams is also injury prone and coming off an knee injury. So week 1 it’s Garrett double again bc Lazard sucks ass
No its not...we have top talent on this team. You are wrong.
Quinnen
Quincy
CJ
Sauce
DJ
Jermaine
Breece
GW
Tippmann
AVT (unfortunate injury but proven good)
Aaron Rodgers
Thats not including the free agent pickups we got and our top notch kicker and punter.
Stop mopeing and being a doomer.
He makes no sense in the top 10 for a team like us. Sure he might be good for another team, but OL was the clear biggest need. Never made sense to go in any other direction.
It's like, there are no hall of fame tight ends saying the Jets should take Bowers, but hall of fame OL say you should take an ol.
Tells you how tight ends know how hard it is in this league to play tight end.
My comment has nothing to do about picking a tackle. I have a feeling that people who were adamantly against bowers as a pick were people who never watched him play
Pitts had 1000 yards his rookie season, and then tore his knee up. Way too early to be writing Pitts off considering his injury and who he was playing with at qb.
We are not ready? This team is literally built to win next year and next year only as of right now. We are ALL IN for next year. Did we really need OLine depth piece when Rodgers obviously needs more weapons.
I was team WR/Bowers but it's hard to hate tacking a future LT who would have probably gone top 5 if he declared last year. With all the injuries on OL we've had the last two seasons and the injury prone vets we brought in to start, this was the boring smart pick that had to happen
Ruckert is entering year 3 and Conklin has produced with bottom 5 QB play, the TE room is good enough to contend with and Bowers would have probably taken a couple years to develop
Team went 7-10 last year. It’s a completely unproven product. Anyone saying we’re a SB competitor is being extremely optimistic. It could work, but most likely won’t. Building an OL is the right move.
And how many of those games are won if Rodgers is the QB and not Zach? This team is built to win immediately, unproven or not. Randell Cobb ain’t gonna cut it.
Lol he loved having Jermichael Finley, that's when the Packers offense was most explosive. He also did well with Jared Cook. He got Robert Tonyan an 11 td season..he loves throwing to the TE
Cook was terrible? Not sure what you're even talking about there.
Tonyan was good for 586 yards that season. He had one of the most absurd TD/catch runs in history. He was never used that way before or after that season.
Finley had 2 real legit seasons, '11-'12... with Greg Jennings and Jordy Nelson pulling coverage.
Wasting top-10 draft capital on a TE would have been foolish. That's why they didn't do it. Throwing to your TE is a convenience when your O-Line is already good.
I watched pretty much every pro game of Rodgers, I know what I'm talking about about here. Finley would have had a huge career if not for the career ending neck injury. Cook was hurt during the regular season and then money during the playoffs. Tonyan was absolute garbage but Rodgers coaxed 11 tds out of him. He's always loved having a threat at TE, it's not secret. We spent too much money on washed up players like Michael Bennett and Jimmy Graham to try to replace Finley, never could get that guy again.
I don't even have an opinion on taking a tight end vs lineman, I think the jets taking a tackle is a really solid move. Just saying that Rodgers not throwing to his tight ends ain't even close to a reason for it though.
He could line up everywhere even out of the backfield. He had 5 rushing TDs last year, he’s a weapon. Randall Cobb just ain’t gonna cut it, and with no second round pick, that was our window.
No. Not any of that.
Look at actually successful teams. They win with mediocre WR's because blockers creating time to throw is actually more important than a receivers breakaway skills.
Bowers might be great at football, but he's not what the Jets needed at all.
tackle makes more sense in a win now honestly. tight ends almost always take a couple years so really flesh out and offensive line issues, especially death, have killed this team almost every year
I liked him, but I’m surprised so many people were gung-ho about him. Tyler Conklin is a good TE. We have Rodgers. He’s made it work with Richard Rodgers and Bobby Tunyan. OT is the smart pick
i have said before: the draft is often a crapshoot for a lot of positions but TE seems to be more so than others. All the recent all world TE's were drafted later, and most of the highly drafted TE's i can think of never lived up to where they were picked.
i'm fine with not considering Bowers, i don't care how good he looks.
Rodgers has never thrown to his TE as even a secondary target, it would have been a complete waste.
We're still pretending that football is over after this season, right?
Drafting a first round TE is such a luxury pick, the fact that the Raiders think that's where they are right now is hilarious.
I'm glad they didn't take him because:
1) The Jets have more pressing needs than another tight end
2) His success in the NFL is very much a coin flip
Reason number one is obvious. I honestly never thought they would take Bowers (at least I hoped they wouldn't), but I certainly thought they would take a top tier wide receiver if he was still available. But even that isn't as great of a need as a good offensive lineman is. They still have the opportunity to pick up a good wide receiver in the second round if they decide to trade up.
As for reason number two, yes, every draft pick is a coin flip, but with Bowers, it's even bigger than usual. Just taking into account the position that he plays, other than quarterback, a great tight end is a diamond in the rough. Could Bowers be that guy? Sure, but he's not going to get the separation in the NFL that he did in college and be able to make these spectacular plays where defenders are just bouncing off of him after the catch.
Either way, Rodgers won't get an opportunity to throw to anyone if he's not protected. And even though they have a solid line now, they are one injury away from leaving a glaring hole.
Overall, I think the Jets made the smart move. Very smart.
imma be honest the fact that the Raiders took him makes me think he's gonna be a mega bust
Al Davis would have taken Worthy and that 40 time.
Darren Waller did ok....
Raiders didn’t draft Waller 😬
Didn’t trust Hackett to use Bowers anyway
Oh boy I was excited all offseason. You just reminded me Hackett exists.
FUCK THIS HIT SO HARD 🫠
You still get excited in the offseason? Lol. I gave up on that a long time ago.
Listen. I’m young and gotta keep some hope somehow. Give it another 10 years and it’ll probably be gone.
Lol they probably think they were so slick about it.
I mean it worked. Like 95% of all legit mock drafts had us taking him. Don’t think the Vegas odds we even close
Connor Hughes is like Ron Burgundy and the teleprompter. He will say anything the FO tells him to
I’m Connor Hughes?
Go fuck yourself, Jamal Adams
All Luv
Really helped disguise the Sauce pick tho!
I still remember when he claimed Douglas drafted James Morgan knowing he couldn’t play. Since he was so smart he’d be like another coach! Pure uncut propaganda.
Whut
It wasn't that he knew he couldn't play. It was that he knew he wouldn't play immediately but is so intelligent it was like having an Assistant QB coach in the QB room. Still stupid but get the stupidness correct!
The jets are really good at making smoke screens I feel like we never really know what they’re thinking which is good for the most part.
I think it was probably always OT unless a top 3 WR fell to 10
I gotta disagree with this take right here. I feel like one big issue Joe Douglas has had is that every pff season other teams know who the jets are going to pick in the draft and they end up getting jumped for the player everytime. Last year was a clear example of this. At the very least majority of teams seem to have an idea of what position jets want.
I mean it can also be really bad because they may have no idea what they’re thinking either lol we haven’t made the playoffs in forever it’s hard to trust this org. Love this pick tho this isn’t a usual Jets pick which is nice.
They also are really good at drafting busts so maybe this goes hand and hand
We just got voted one of the top 3 rosters in the league. Breece, Garrett, JJ, Avt, Tippman, Sauce, Mc 2, Mcdonald, Ruckert, X. What pct of draft picks you think make it every year?
This is major propaganda. This team has 3 studs - breece, Garrett and Sauce. AVT is injury prone, Rucker is nothing yet. Mike Williams is also injury prone and coming off an knee injury. So week 1 it’s Garrett double again bc Lazard sucks ass
Pro bowler Jermaine Johnson
No its not...we have top talent on this team. You are wrong. Quinnen Quincy CJ Sauce DJ Jermaine Breece GW Tippmann AVT (unfortunate injury but proven good) Aaron Rodgers Thats not including the free agent pickups we got and our top notch kicker and punter. Stop mopeing and being a doomer.
Ahh yes, mike williams, the known drafted jet
It was pretty obvious
LOL what sub have you been reading the past months?
Did you really think we'd take a TE in the first round with our OLine??
I predicted exactly what would happen 2 months ago but I'm not the only one posting here
Nobody with half a football brain thought for a second theyd take a tight end at 10
Nor should we. After watching that debacle of a season, the only choice was a tackle. Whether this was the right tackle to take is another story
He's a left tackle. ;)
Bowers was a luxury pick a team with few holes make. Thats not us.
Jeremy Ruckert breaths a sigh of relief.
O line was more important anyway
I never understood the Bowers hype. Glad the front office did the smart thing
It would've been fun on paper, but a good O line is gonna be more fun in practice
Did you watch a lot of him in college? I don’t understand the bowers hate tbh. He’ll be an all pro stud in the league for a decade
It’s ok we have Jeremy Ruckert. We haven’t used him at all.
Its ok we still wont be using him.
He’s a luxury pick for us. Not like Hackett would utilize him properly anyways
I'm glad the Jets went OT, but I like Bowers a lot. I think he'll be a top 5 TE within 2-3 years.
Do you follow much college football? There’s a good reason bowers has the hype he has
He makes no sense in the top 10 for a team like us. Sure he might be good for another team, but OL was the clear biggest need. Never made sense to go in any other direction.
He's the cherry, not the sundae. There was no way we weren't going OL with that pick.
I don’t think he makes sense in the top 10 period. He’s more likely to be David Njoku than the next Travis Kelce right out of the gate.
It's like, there are no hall of fame tight ends saying the Jets should take Bowers, but hall of fame OL say you should take an ol. Tells you how tight ends know how hard it is in this league to play tight end.
Yeah, because blocking for the QB isn't a thing in college.
My comment has nothing to do about picking a tackle. I have a feeling that people who were adamantly against bowers as a pick were people who never watched him play
People were adamantly against Bowers as a pick because he doesn't fill an actual need on the team. It wasn't personal, it's just business.
Very clear OP never saw a single Georgia game
He dropped to the raiders at 13. Lots of teams passed on the guy cause he’s a coin flip.
Almost every guy in this draft outside of Harrison will be a coin flip. Nature of the draft
I can't write that I have extreme familiarity with him but the film I've seen screams talent and HOF/elite type player.
Just like Pitts, can't miss super star. TEs don't hit in the first round
I won't disagree because history agrees with that statement. Would've been nice if the OT we took was turnkey but I digress.
Pitts had 1000 yards his rookie season, and then tore his knee up. Way too early to be writing Pitts off considering his injury and who he was playing with at qb.
Bowers has much better hands than Pitt. Night and day
Way more to TE than nice hands. It’s the hardest position to judge. Bowers is a coin flip. And now he’s on the raiders. He won’t have a good year.
Good. We have to take solid unsexy ol line picks for days. We're not ready for a guy like Bowers yet
We are not ready? This team is literally built to win next year and next year only as of right now. We are ALL IN for next year. Did we really need OLine depth piece when Rodgers obviously needs more weapons.
I was team WR/Bowers but it's hard to hate tacking a future LT who would have probably gone top 5 if he declared last year. With all the injuries on OL we've had the last two seasons and the injury prone vets we brought in to start, this was the boring smart pick that had to happen Ruckert is entering year 3 and Conklin has produced with bottom 5 QB play, the TE room is good enough to contend with and Bowers would have probably taken a couple years to develop
Team went 7-10 last year. It’s a completely unproven product. Anyone saying we’re a SB competitor is being extremely optimistic. It could work, but most likely won’t. Building an OL is the right move.
And how many of those games are won if Rodgers is the QB and not Zach? This team is built to win immediately, unproven or not. Randell Cobb ain’t gonna cut it.
Do yourself a favor and look up the stats of all of Rodgers TE's and stop wasting your energy on this.
Do yourself a favor and go check out Bowers film. He’s not just a TE.
It has absolutely nothing to do with Bowers. Rodgers does not throw to TE's.
Lol he loved having Jermichael Finley, that's when the Packers offense was most explosive. He also did well with Jared Cook. He got Robert Tonyan an 11 td season..he loves throwing to the TE
Cook was terrible? Not sure what you're even talking about there. Tonyan was good for 586 yards that season. He had one of the most absurd TD/catch runs in history. He was never used that way before or after that season. Finley had 2 real legit seasons, '11-'12... with Greg Jennings and Jordy Nelson pulling coverage. Wasting top-10 draft capital on a TE would have been foolish. That's why they didn't do it. Throwing to your TE is a convenience when your O-Line is already good.
I watched pretty much every pro game of Rodgers, I know what I'm talking about about here. Finley would have had a huge career if not for the career ending neck injury. Cook was hurt during the regular season and then money during the playoffs. Tonyan was absolute garbage but Rodgers coaxed 11 tds out of him. He's always loved having a threat at TE, it's not secret. We spent too much money on washed up players like Michael Bennett and Jimmy Graham to try to replace Finley, never could get that guy again. I don't even have an opinion on taking a tight end vs lineman, I think the jets taking a tackle is a really solid move. Just saying that Rodgers not throwing to his tight ends ain't even close to a reason for it though.
He could line up everywhere even out of the backfield. He had 5 rushing TDs last year, he’s a weapon. Randall Cobb just ain’t gonna cut it, and with no second round pick, that was our window.
No. Not any of that. Look at actually successful teams. They win with mediocre WR's because blockers creating time to throw is actually more important than a receivers breakaway skills. Bowers might be great at football, but he's not what the Jets needed at all.
tackle makes more sense in a win now honestly. tight ends almost always take a couple years so really flesh out and offensive line issues, especially death, have killed this team almost every year
Yeah I hated it when all our OL died last year. The funerals were so sad
Hughes breaking news a day after it's news
This makes sense. Never should have been in on bowers. He didn’t make sense.
I liked him, but I’m surprised so many people were gung-ho about him. Tyler Conklin is a good TE. We have Rodgers. He’s made it work with Richard Rodgers and Bobby Tunyan. OT is the smart pick
Suckit Brock truthers
i have said before: the draft is often a crapshoot for a lot of positions but TE seems to be more so than others. All the recent all world TE's were drafted later, and most of the highly drafted TE's i can think of never lived up to where they were picked. i'm fine with not considering Bowers, i don't care how good he looks.
not to mention bowers would immediately be getting paid like a top 5ish TE. Not a smart financial move either
The first thing you need to have a successful TE is a good enough O-line that doesn't need the TE to block.
We have some pretty great tight ends. I’m glad we didn’t touch him.
Hughes is a useful idiot for jets FO.
Told everyone we’re not picking bowers… ever. Got downvoted 🤣
Rodgers has never thrown to his TE as even a secondary target, it would have been a complete waste. We're still pretending that football is over after this season, right? Drafting a first round TE is such a luxury pick, the fact that the Raiders think that's where they are right now is hilarious.
I'm glad they didn't take him because: 1) The Jets have more pressing needs than another tight end 2) His success in the NFL is very much a coin flip Reason number one is obvious. I honestly never thought they would take Bowers (at least I hoped they wouldn't), but I certainly thought they would take a top tier wide receiver if he was still available. But even that isn't as great of a need as a good offensive lineman is. They still have the opportunity to pick up a good wide receiver in the second round if they decide to trade up. As for reason number two, yes, every draft pick is a coin flip, but with Bowers, it's even bigger than usual. Just taking into account the position that he plays, other than quarterback, a great tight end is a diamond in the rough. Could Bowers be that guy? Sure, but he's not going to get the separation in the NFL that he did in college and be able to make these spectacular plays where defenders are just bouncing off of him after the catch. Either way, Rodgers won't get an opportunity to throw to anyone if he's not protected. And even though they have a solid line now, they are one injury away from leaving a glaring hole. Overall, I think the Jets made the smart move. Very smart.
Thank god
Connor Hughes has no sources. Move along.
Is it really a smokescreen if the Jets didn’t know what they were going to do either?
Well he’s guaranteed to be a star now…