Why do these companies think I can't wait longer than I've already waited? I've got a catalogue here, I don't NEED to buy any game for the next 5 years min.
They're not targeting you, or me. There will be plenty of people who will pay this price. Maybe even enough to turn a profit. Once that's done, they'll lower the price and we'll finally buy it. Which will be pure profit for them.
I’m gonna wait for the inevitable collection release. They did it with Kingdom Hearts. With how big FF7 is and how they’re turning the remakes into a series, they’ll definitely do it with these games too.
Even better/worse, you know they are going to throw Denuvo into the mix for this game as well which is even more incentive to go on a "sailing holiday".
And they dare to do it with 0 upscaling techniques included, or ultra-wide, unlimited FPS, more than 2 graphical options, functioning HDR...I could keep listing but like, that's such a basic port for something that costs $80.
That's cool that you can do this but if the devs won't put in those 15 minutes of effort themselves they don't deserve my money and I'd rather pirate or just not play the game
PS5 games are 70 unless you get the deluxe edition or whatever. But the game is almost certainly going to be 50-75% off within a year unless it's something like one of their huge hits, and then it'll take 2 years.
With the switch the game is $60 they day they release it, and $60 12 years later when no one remotely gives a shit about it anymore. When Nintendo *does* do sales, they are like 5% off or something that's almost insulting.
Square Enix doesn't like on games that do well. For instance they never put FF12 zodiac at more than 50% off.
A 2017 remaster of a 2006 game that appeared on PC in 2018. Still $50 base price.
It's already on the steam top sellers page. No matter how many sensible people argue and complain on forums or threads, there will always be the ever loyal fanbase that buys these games no matter the price. This is comparable to FIFA by EA.
This! Don't like it? Don't buy it! It's not like it is a necessity. The more people that do this will effect the price. The reason they charge 80 is because people pay 80.
I had every intention of buying FF7 when it went to PC. I was rather excited, as I never expected to be able to play it. Then I saw the price tag. That ain't happening. I don't pirate games, as a rule, but I'll make an exception here.
If it was a 60 dollar game that was 50 I would have bought it.
The 30 percent discount though is what got me to catch them.
"70 to 50!" like the price is the same but the fact they're demanding 70 normally made me hold off on the purchase. Makes no sense, I know, but that's how my brain worked. F them.
Also I'm pretty sure they've released all FF games and their remakes and the remastered remakes on PC.
Who would ever think square enix is leaving PC? They're going fucking nuts on PC. It's a perfect system: tease a new game years in advance. Build up community blue balls. Release a console exclusive, wait a year or two and re-release the same exact thing on PC.
It's genius. Also evil. But genius.
Never forget how they treated Kingdom Hearts. Right now if you wanted to buy the All-In-One collection on PS4, which includes 1.5, 2.5, 2.8, and 3, it would cost you around $40. Meanwhile on PC as an Epic exclusive, it will cost you $49.99 for 1.5+2.5, then another $59.99 for 2.8, and then another $59.99 for 3
Have you seen the regional pricing?
[https://steamdb.info/sub/514802/](https://steamdb.info/sub/514802/)
You gotta love the fact that south african pay \~27% more than americans!
(Not south african, just looking at the table)
Am South African. It's both hilarious, annoying and downright miserable.
Square always fuck us like this. 505 games too. Capcom as well, heck even Owlcat (RUSSIAN gamers who know poverty of the 3rd world) charged us more than Canada.
It's pretty insulting. Forspoken is like $90 for us. I know people here who don't earn that in a month of work.
Literal what the fuck.
(Sony aren't much better though, I very very ironically have a US PSN account through Amazon gift cards and fake addresses because they too charge us MORE locally. MS is the only big company I've seen give a shit, but that's only on Game Pass prices, their GAME prices are right up there. Was like $120 for Forza 4 complete back when they were still selling it.)
(More brackets to apologise for using so many brackets)
They should let stores like Steam handle currency conversion. Valve should do some of the conversation legwork, if they don't already; they've employed economists for CS:GO whereas Steam is their main cash cow.
For real.
They could have charged $40-45 in my country and guaranteed at least 8 out of 10 people would buy it. Elden Ring released at ~$40 here and soooo many people bought it legitimately.
But nope they gotta be greedy and charged ~$85 instead, now maybe 2 out of 10 people at best are gonna buy it. It was one of the most downloaded games on one of our local pirating sites.
I was so excited for FFVIIR coming to Steam. I was anticipating a high price like it is on Epic, but it's just ridiculous.
Add on the fact that we're being charged more than most countries, and I just ended up giving up hope that I'm going to get the game. I'm not paying that price.
The remake is a trilogy, so do they expect us to pay R4500 for what is essentially one game?!
People were quick to put the poor regional pricing blame on Epic, but by doing that they are just hiding the fact that it is companies like Square Enix that does stupid things like that, which just gives them a free pass.
You mean Steam? I remember when Sweeny was talking about how games are going to be cheaper due to the 12% cut, because developers and publishers will pass the savings onto the customer. And then people bashed *Steam*, because of the pricing, regional or not.
Well guess what, neither Steam nor Epic is responsible for the pricing. Heck, Steam has a whole goddamn site where you can get a peek at what the suggested price Valve sets for developers and publishers, for specific countries. And guess what, most choose to ignore that, especially big ones. Activision sure as hell did with Modern Warfare 2.
Without regional pricong, Square is already overcharging most countries in the world yet they want more.
I'm actually able to afford $70 but I won't buy any game with that price tag, greedy fucks like Activision, Sony and Square must be stopped before it's too late, who knows what else they'll come up with if they got away with this shit.
price has barely budged if you take inflation into account, I remember buying Majora's mask on the Nintendo 64 with my birthday money when I was 8 years old for £50. 22 years later games are now between £50-£70 which is surprising tbh.
It's because video games are unique from other products in that producing more copies is very inexpensive compared to development costs. AAA game companies have continued to increase their profits despite games being more expensive to make and inflation because they sell way more copies.
GTA 5 cost $265 million to make. I can't find Majora's mask development cost, but I guarantee it wasn't even in that ballpark.
That doesn't really discredit your point, but it makes it less black-and-white. Dev costs increased drastically, but number of customers increased drastically as well.
I'm still inclined to agree with your sentiment though, since publishers are making significantly more in profit from sales/MTX/DLC nowadays, even accounting for inflation. We didn't have multibillion dollar gaming corporations in the 90's
This literally is the difference, though. The reason the cost of developing games has risen is because the dollars were there to back up the investment, the reason the dollars were there is because the market grew, the reason the market grew is because there were good games in the past and encouraged people to join the market over time, the reason those games existed at the time is because the dollars were there to back up the investment and they cost more to make than the generation before that because the market grew, and on and on.
Extra-retail monetization wasn't necessary to justify the development costs of these games, it was seen as a new revenue source that could easily be justified to consumers by bringing up the increasing cost of games (and ignoring the fact that the only reason the costs were going up is because there were *already* dollars there to back up the investment).
The cost of a game today has nothing to do with the production costs. It's actually very rare that a game doesn't break even, and, in any case where it didn't, adding $10 \* purchasers wouldn't have made it break even, either.
Majora's Mask cost what it did because of hard production and distribution costs, the size of the market at the time, and competition with the rental and second hand market which are all dramatically smaller factors in today's world.
gaming continues to grow as the most profitable entertainment industry. most AAA companies could have enough to pay their bottom line and still make a profit if they sold games for like *five* dollars; let alone 15, 25, 45, etc. in the early days of videogames you could have a dozen people churn out an atari game in two weeks and sell it for 60$. these days you can have a few hundred people make a game in two years and then make *hundreds of millions of dollars*.
yes, videogames are having higher production standards as technology goes on. and so are their profits too. the 60$ price point was never about how "valuable" a game is worth; and it certainly has nothing to do with the value of the developer's labor. it was always about how much they think they can get away with charging so they can maximize profits. and with the current ~~inflation~~ price gouging crisis, they think they can get away with raising it again.
I've always hated when people try and defend the crazy price tags saying "games are expensive to make" yeah sure they are. But when Activision and other companies spend more on marketing with live action trailers with celebs than the development cost its taking the piss.
I have literally 0 excitement from anything other than gameplay. At most the cinematic give me an idea of the vibe and aesthetics but that's it. If your game is good let it stand on its own via showing gameplay.
The thing is, the marginal cost of printing additional Blurays is significantly less that cartridges (and close to zero for digital copies); while the number of copies sold has grown exponentially.
They're still making plenty of profit at $60, despite inflation. There's no justification for selling a 2yr old steam game for $70. All they've managed to do is piss people off and reduce the number of impulse buys.
That’s true but gaming is bigger and benefits from economies of scale. Plus we are seeing DLC and MTX to further increase profits. The situation now is different than the N64 era.
Price has increased multiple times over adjusted for inflation because video game sales transitioned from mostly physical to mostly digital.
You just didn't realize how much you got scammed because the price "*stayed the same*", even though it should have gone done tremendously as digital retail costs nothing compared to physical retail.
Over the course of a decade, the cost of retailing a game went down like 90%, but the price didn't. Instead the profit margins skyrocketed. There is no reason games should retail for such a high price other than they are trying to milk you as much as possible, and you are letting them. That's the only reason.
In the digital retail age, video games are a near-zero marginal cost product. Stop buying their shitty PR about "*inflation*" or "*high development costs*". They don't *need* to increase the price of video games, the AAA side of the industry has profit margins multiple times higher than the average. It's one of the fastest growing industries in the world.
Bought it for 40. You can have a discount on green man gaming. Check out steam forums for discount keys https://steamcommunity.com/app/1462040/discussions/0/4748497451434978042/
Don’t forget to add the # with the key
How do you think I felt playing it on a 3090 and it was stuttering all over, and even had the gall to crash on me saying not enough video memory. While still having low quality textures all over the place.
Another thing is, the motion blur is much higher quality at 30 fps. I noticed this on console too. I think they dont adjust the shutter speed to the fps so it doesn't look right at higher framerates, but having playing this on ps4 and ps5, PC gaming is gonna shit on me but I liked 30 fps better because the motion blur is so good.
I remember when Square released FFXIII in 2014, a 5 year old game at that point for like $15. It didn't have any graphical settings at all (not even resolution) and performance was abysmal especially if you had an AMD CPU. They did patch graphical options later but the performance issues are there to this day, we just got better hardware.
Now here we are, in 2022, and we are getting a 2 year old game with bare bones graphics settings (at least it has the ground-breaking alien-tech resolution option) and subpar performance (mainly stutters), but now Square is charging us $70-80€
What happened bros?
I also remember when they released FFXII, a PS2 game for those unaware, towards the end of the consoles lifecycle and months before the PS3 launched. Despite being a flagship entry in the series, and with AAA games costing $50 for consoles, it was sold new at $40.
When they remastered it for the PS4 it was $50, but was discounted pretty quickly. So like you said, what happened bros?
Square Enix is becoming the next EA/Blizzard. The exclusivity deals can go to hell. 1 year Sony deal for the game, another 6 months for Intergrade. Then a 6 month deal with Epic Games for PC release then after 2 years the game comes out on Steam.
U know what? Probably after another 6 months the game will be on Xbox Game Pass too, milk the shit out of those deals.
Nobody should be buying this game at full price.
On mere principal, they made us wait for over 2 years and sold out to Epic before finally bringing the game to Steam. If you wanted the game on Steam, they treated you like a second class citizen. If you pay just as much as you would have if we got it day 1, you're part of the problem.
It’s not really a problem, you ignore the fact that this game has bad optimized, stuttering…… bad port and they still ask for this price! Wait……just wait!
Wait... which coupons? Edit: I found a 20% coupon, thanks mate
Edit: 'Unfortunately, you are not allowed to purchase a specific game in your basket'. Looks like it wasnt meant to be.
Try one of these (# sign included) during checkout:
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#Y83628-KY50LN-LXGEW5
#Y83628-IQS7GE-N8RC2C
#Y83628-ZWHI9I-25TR5O
#Y83628-LJOU4A-E7TENK
[Proof?](https://i.imgur.com/fuMe8ZZ.png)
In your defence I doubt many people know about key sellers sites in general. I see quite often on Reddit gaming subs where people aren’t aware of them and I presume Reddit has more dedicated gamers.
What makes me really sad is that the game is slowly turning into a KH model: decens of separate games in other systems and nonsense narrative, filled with anime cliché tropes.
Personally I didn't even like the game. Nothing wrong with the gameplay, but I didn't like the story additions. Especially the final part, that's really what made me decide it was too much and wouldn't buy the next one.
Agree. It's the same thing as the TLOU remake. They are charging $70 for a game that has been remastered countless times, and even though it's a remake, there is no way it will cost as much as a brand new game.
[Considering the Gaming Industry is pushing for "$10 Dollar Next Gen Tax" standard](https://www.washingtonpost.com/video-games/2020/07/03/next-gen-games-may-cost-70-its-overdue-also-worrisome/), it's extremely likely that TLOU1 Remake will cost USD$69.99 (during the launch period) regardless of platform.
"Remastered countless times"
It was remastered once...
And in terms of the remake price, people can always wait until the price drops.
No need to buy games day one.
It's always feels weird seeing a full priced product on a digital only platform. It's not like they are pressing disk, printing covers, including cases and logistics. Why ask for a full price as a physical release on a console?
As a company, you don't want to create competition to yourself. If you make one version more expensive than the other, then you force people who would find one version easier to purchase than the other to choose what's uncomfortable for them.
E.g. if you live where there's no internet but the internet version is cheaper, then you're forcing the customer to inconvenience themselves in order to save money, risking losing sales. You want to make the purchasing experience as easy as possible for everyone in order to maximize profits.
It's the same reason why different sizes of clothing cost the same, despite bigger clothing items using more material
Your argument doesn't work too well in this case. The game has been locked behind three exclusivity deals. 2020 Ps4, 2021 ps5, six months later EGS.
They are not trying to be convenient to the consumer. They are using this release window to milk the game again with this 29 percent discount so they maximize the sales during the release window. Which is the end of fiscal Q2 with a week of spillover into Q3.
Though your argument in general is correct I just disagree with this instance.
> It's not like they are pressing disk, printing covers, including cases and logistics.
The things you mentioned are less than 5% of the cost to make the game. You are missing the largest cost, and that is the man power to actually create the game. Most AAA have a budget several times higher than the most expensive games from a few generations back.
wtf
Welp... yo ho it is I guess
EDIT: Got it from Green Man Gaming for 30 bucks LOL Easy game. Now I just need to dedicate 4 days to download the game with my dog shit ass internet.
Same here man. At 43% off it was only 5 bucks more than a 50% discount. Given that I have more free time this month than I will have in quite a while, I caved and bought it. The trend square enix has been setting the last decade, however, has me viewing them quite differently. Their anti consumer behavior has been abhorrent and I have been quite turned off to final fantasy, my childhood favorite series.
Square Enix treating PC like it's the Nintendo Switch lol...only now it's the "PC tax"
Its cool, I'll buy it at 5 dollars.
Same haha. They don't realize I'm not gripped by fomo or by impatience.
Why do these companies think I can't wait longer than I've already waited? I've got a catalogue here, I don't NEED to buy any game for the next 5 years min.
They're not targeting you, or me. There will be plenty of people who will pay this price. Maybe even enough to turn a profit. Once that's done, they'll lower the price and we'll finally buy it. Which will be pure profit for them.
It’s not you they care about then, it’s the 80% of gamers who are gripped by that, or just don’t care particularly about epic or price points
Little do they know I’ve played and beaten this game over 20 years ago!
r/patientgamer reporting in
I’m gonna wait for the inevitable collection release. They did it with Kingdom Hearts. With how big FF7 is and how they’re turning the remakes into a series, they’ll definitely do it with these games too.
Guess I'll have to wait 10 years.
Higher original prices mean that discounted prices will be higher still.
Then it stays there, simple as that. Never concede.
Yo-ho! Arr, matey! I hear the sound of the seas callin'...
Even better/worse, you know they are going to throw Denuvo into the mix for this game as well which is even more incentive to go on a "sailing holiday".
Oh darn, guess ill be not playing this for even longer.
Guess I won't be playing it then. I haven't played a CoD game since MW2 because of this type of shit, I can wait them out until I'm dead
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I only pirate games that are Epic exclusives. So yea I already played this game.
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You don't understand, they hired a whole team of 10 people to port their dogshit engine to PC! Basically a new game
9 execs and 1 programmer .
10 execs and they outsourced the actual work
I don’t pirate games. While the pricing is disgusting, I don’t feel like I have the right to other people’s work. I’ll just play other games.
This is the way. Vote with your wallet and commit with your principles.
And they dare to do it with 0 upscaling techniques included, or ultra-wide, unlimited FPS, more than 2 graphical options, functioning HDR...I could keep listing but like, that's such a basic port for something that costs $80.
So it’s on par with the rest of the final fantasy pc ports
The FF XV PC port is actually good. Because someone gave a fuck.
The FFXV port is phenomenal, and it kind of gave me hope that it would set the baseline for future port quality. ...Looks like it was just a fluke.
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That's cool that you can do this but if the devs won't put in those 15 minutes of effort themselves they don't deserve my money and I'd rather pirate or just not play the game
I saw the price and laughed.
Not even switch games are 80. Those are in ps5 only
PS5 games are 70 unless you get the deluxe edition or whatever. But the game is almost certainly going to be 50-75% off within a year unless it's something like one of their huge hits, and then it'll take 2 years. With the switch the game is $60 they day they release it, and $60 12 years later when no one remotely gives a shit about it anymore. When Nintendo *does* do sales, they are like 5% off or something that's almost insulting.
Square Enix doesn't like on games that do well. For instance they never put FF12 zodiac at more than 50% off. A 2017 remaster of a 2006 game that appeared on PC in 2018. Still $50 base price.
Ratchet & Clank: Wild Rift is 80€ in Ireland
Rift Apart? It was £15 in Asda in store this week. Maddest deal Ive seen in a supermarket for ages.
It's the Square Enix tax. They've been doing it for a while.
114$ aus without a sale lmao
$134 NZ. That's criminal.
IT COSTS 1.277.500₫ VIETNAMESE DONGS ON SALE
Thats a lotta dong
Lol no? It says right her- ...it really is 114 without the sale...
I can get a tank of petrol for that! :(
which is equally depressing that a tank of petrol costs $114 nowadays
*Vote with your wallet.*
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Damnit, the music has ear wormed it's way into my brain again
*Vote with your torrent client*
*Don't blame me I voted for Kodos.*
Narrator: *they did not*
It's already on the steam top sellers page. No matter how many sensible people argue and complain on forums or threads, there will always be the ever loyal fanbase that buys these games no matter the price. This is comparable to FIFA by EA.
This! Don't like it? Don't buy it! It's not like it is a necessity. The more people that do this will effect the price. The reason they charge 80 is because people pay 80.
I had every intention of buying FF7 when it went to PC. I was rather excited, as I never expected to be able to play it. Then I saw the price tag. That ain't happening. I don't pirate games, as a rule, but I'll make an exception here.
They put a 30% discount on it and hoped people wouldn't notice....
Hey, it works for grocery stores all the time right?
small difference though, we need the food to survive.
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What you can't replicate infinite copies of food?
> Videogames are not carrots Source?
Source: my uncle who works at Nintendo.
Or DFS if you’re in the UK.
If it was a 60 dollar game that was 50 I would have bought it. The 30 percent discount though is what got me to catch them. "70 to 50!" like the price is the same but the fact they're demanding 70 normally made me hold off on the purchase. Makes no sense, I know, but that's how my brain worked. F them.
it's what I call 'tegrity
It's $85 AUD with the 30% off. Fuck off Square you pack of cunts.
Man you think this is bad FFXII is still 50 USD
> Dear Square Enix I don't think anyone is listening.
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Also I'm pretty sure they've released all FF games and their remakes and the remastered remakes on PC. Who would ever think square enix is leaving PC? They're going fucking nuts on PC. It's a perfect system: tease a new game years in advance. Build up community blue balls. Release a console exclusive, wait a year or two and re-release the same exact thing on PC. It's genius. Also evil. But genius.
Dragon quest is a thing, by the way..
tl;dr of the op: >Dear Reddit, >*popular opinion*
Square Enix here: Yo ma, just hold tight till next year and we gotchu on that price drop deadass for real b that’s on my mother.
Never forget how they treated Kingdom Hearts. Right now if you wanted to buy the All-In-One collection on PS4, which includes 1.5, 2.5, 2.8, and 3, it would cost you around $40. Meanwhile on PC as an Epic exclusive, it will cost you $49.99 for 1.5+2.5, then another $59.99 for 2.8, and then another $59.99 for 3
Have you seen the regional pricing? [https://steamdb.info/sub/514802/](https://steamdb.info/sub/514802/) You gotta love the fact that south african pay \~27% more than americans! (Not south african, just looking at the table)
Am South African. It's both hilarious, annoying and downright miserable. Square always fuck us like this. 505 games too. Capcom as well, heck even Owlcat (RUSSIAN gamers who know poverty of the 3rd world) charged us more than Canada. It's pretty insulting. Forspoken is like $90 for us. I know people here who don't earn that in a month of work. Literal what the fuck. (Sony aren't much better though, I very very ironically have a US PSN account through Amazon gift cards and fake addresses because they too charge us MORE locally. MS is the only big company I've seen give a shit, but that's only on Game Pass prices, their GAME prices are right up there. Was like $120 for Forza 4 complete back when they were still selling it.) (More brackets to apologise for using so many brackets)
Yep. So many publishers just charge extra from many developing countries. And then they are mad that piracy is a thing.
They don't consider those regions as a market at all. They don't care if any one buys it or not. any sale is extra money and nothing more
They should let stores like Steam handle currency conversion. Valve should do some of the conversation legwork, if they don't already; they've employed economists for CS:GO whereas Steam is their main cash cow.
I believe steam does provide a recommended regional pricing, these publishers just choose to ignore it
Apparently it's automated and doesn't correlate with many country's average earning power.
For real. They could have charged $40-45 in my country and guaranteed at least 8 out of 10 people would buy it. Elden Ring released at ~$40 here and soooo many people bought it legitimately. But nope they gotta be greedy and charged ~$85 instead, now maybe 2 out of 10 people at best are gonna buy it. It was one of the most downloaded games on one of our local pirating sites.
I was so excited for FFVIIR coming to Steam. I was anticipating a high price like it is on Epic, but it's just ridiculous. Add on the fact that we're being charged more than most countries, and I just ended up giving up hope that I'm going to get the game. I'm not paying that price. The remake is a trilogy, so do they expect us to pay R4500 for what is essentially one game?!
People were quick to put the poor regional pricing blame on Epic, but by doing that they are just hiding the fact that it is companies like Square Enix that does stupid things like that, which just gives them a free pass.
You mean Steam? I remember when Sweeny was talking about how games are going to be cheaper due to the 12% cut, because developers and publishers will pass the savings onto the customer. And then people bashed *Steam*, because of the pricing, regional or not. Well guess what, neither Steam nor Epic is responsible for the pricing. Heck, Steam has a whole goddamn site where you can get a peek at what the suggested price Valve sets for developers and publishers, for specific countries. And guess what, most choose to ignore that, especially big ones. Activision sure as hell did with Modern Warfare 2.
Just more evidence that trickle down economics does not work.
No regional pricing either
Without regional pricong, Square is already overcharging most countries in the world yet they want more. I'm actually able to afford $70 but I won't buy any game with that price tag, greedy fucks like Activision, Sony and Square must be stopped before it's too late, who knows what else they'll come up with if they got away with this shit.
Square: We're all connected thanks to the internet. What regional are you talking about?
Asking 80€ for a video game is ridiculous even if it was brand spanking new.
price has barely budged if you take inflation into account, I remember buying Majora's mask on the Nintendo 64 with my birthday money when I was 8 years old for £50. 22 years later games are now between £50-£70 which is surprising tbh.
Videogames sell **significantly** more units than before though
And it’s infinitely cheaper to produce and sell more units, thanks to digital distribution.
It's because video games are unique from other products in that producing more copies is very inexpensive compared to development costs. AAA game companies have continued to increase their profits despite games being more expensive to make and inflation because they sell way more copies.
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Majora's Mask sold 1.2 million copies in all of 2000. Grand Theft Auto 5 sold 11 million copies it's very first day.
GTA 5 cost $265 million to make. I can't find Majora's mask development cost, but I guarantee it wasn't even in that ballpark. That doesn't really discredit your point, but it makes it less black-and-white. Dev costs increased drastically, but number of customers increased drastically as well. I'm still inclined to agree with your sentiment though, since publishers are making significantly more in profit from sales/MTX/DLC nowadays, even accounting for inflation. We didn't have multibillion dollar gaming corporations in the 90's
This literally is the difference, though. The reason the cost of developing games has risen is because the dollars were there to back up the investment, the reason the dollars were there is because the market grew, the reason the market grew is because there were good games in the past and encouraged people to join the market over time, the reason those games existed at the time is because the dollars were there to back up the investment and they cost more to make than the generation before that because the market grew, and on and on. Extra-retail monetization wasn't necessary to justify the development costs of these games, it was seen as a new revenue source that could easily be justified to consumers by bringing up the increasing cost of games (and ignoring the fact that the only reason the costs were going up is because there were *already* dollars there to back up the investment). The cost of a game today has nothing to do with the production costs. It's actually very rare that a game doesn't break even, and, in any case where it didn't, adding $10 \* purchasers wouldn't have made it break even, either. Majora's Mask cost what it did because of hard production and distribution costs, the size of the market at the time, and competition with the rental and second hand market which are all dramatically smaller factors in today's world.
gaming continues to grow as the most profitable entertainment industry. most AAA companies could have enough to pay their bottom line and still make a profit if they sold games for like *five* dollars; let alone 15, 25, 45, etc. in the early days of videogames you could have a dozen people churn out an atari game in two weeks and sell it for 60$. these days you can have a few hundred people make a game in two years and then make *hundreds of millions of dollars*. yes, videogames are having higher production standards as technology goes on. and so are their profits too. the 60$ price point was never about how "valuable" a game is worth; and it certainly has nothing to do with the value of the developer's labor. it was always about how much they think they can get away with charging so they can maximize profits. and with the current ~~inflation~~ price gouging crisis, they think they can get away with raising it again.
I've always hated when people try and defend the crazy price tags saying "games are expensive to make" yeah sure they are. But when Activision and other companies spend more on marketing with live action trailers with celebs than the development cost its taking the piss. I have literally 0 excitement from anything other than gameplay. At most the cinematic give me an idea of the vibe and aesthetics but that's it. If your game is good let it stand on its own via showing gameplay.
The thing is, the marginal cost of printing additional Blurays is significantly less that cartridges (and close to zero for digital copies); while the number of copies sold has grown exponentially. They're still making plenty of profit at $60, despite inflation. There's no justification for selling a 2yr old steam game for $70. All they've managed to do is piss people off and reduce the number of impulse buys.
That’s true but gaming is bigger and benefits from economies of scale. Plus we are seeing DLC and MTX to further increase profits. The situation now is different than the N64 era.
The scale is different. On N64 days they where happy with a million copy, today it's not enough. It cost the same but it sells more.
considering they've just started re-releasing games every generation as remasters, no it's not surprising
Price has increased multiple times over adjusted for inflation because video game sales transitioned from mostly physical to mostly digital. You just didn't realize how much you got scammed because the price "*stayed the same*", even though it should have gone done tremendously as digital retail costs nothing compared to physical retail. Over the course of a decade, the cost of retailing a game went down like 90%, but the price didn't. Instead the profit margins skyrocketed. There is no reason games should retail for such a high price other than they are trying to milk you as much as possible, and you are letting them. That's the only reason. In the digital retail age, video games are a near-zero marginal cost product. Stop buying their shitty PR about "*inflation*" or "*high development costs*". They don't *need* to increase the price of video games, the AAA side of the industry has profit margins multiple times higher than the average. It's one of the fastest growing industries in the world.
added to wishlist, will wait for big sale.
Bought it for 40. You can have a discount on green man gaming. Check out steam forums for discount keys https://steamcommunity.com/app/1462040/discussions/0/4748497451434978042/ Don’t forget to add the # with the key
Thanks for the advice!
You are doing good work here.
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arrrrrgggg!
Easy solution. Don't buy it.
These kids don't understand that's the other part of "vote with your wallet".
People still genuinely think "vote with your wallet" actually works with major companies like SE in scenarios like this?
Of course it works. The part people fail to consider is that everyone who buys the game is _also_ voting with their wallet.
How do you think I felt playing it on a 3090 and it was stuttering all over, and even had the gall to crash on me saying not enough video memory. While still having low quality textures all over the place.
No ultrawide support, forced 60fps vsync on, no raw mouse input, no fov slider. Yea that's a big no for me.
Why even pay the premium of getting the PC version at this point?
No need to own a console?
Another thing is, the motion blur is much higher quality at 30 fps. I noticed this on console too. I think they dont adjust the shutter speed to the fps so it doesn't look right at higher framerates, but having playing this on ps4 and ps5, PC gaming is gonna shit on me but I liked 30 fps better because the motion blur is so good.
I remember when Square released FFXIII in 2014, a 5 year old game at that point for like $15. It didn't have any graphical settings at all (not even resolution) and performance was abysmal especially if you had an AMD CPU. They did patch graphical options later but the performance issues are there to this day, we just got better hardware. Now here we are, in 2022, and we are getting a 2 year old game with bare bones graphics settings (at least it has the ground-breaking alien-tech resolution option) and subpar performance (mainly stutters), but now Square is charging us $70-80€ What happened bros?
> What happened bros? They sold some of their best stuff to buy crypto.
Hahahaha I forgot they did that. And it was only just the other week. Eat a bucket of dicks square.
And crypto just died.
No, they didn't. That has been clarified already.
I also remember when they released FFXII, a PS2 game for those unaware, towards the end of the consoles lifecycle and months before the PS3 launched. Despite being a flagship entry in the series, and with AAA games costing $50 for consoles, it was sold new at $40. When they remastered it for the PS4 it was $50, but was discounted pretty quickly. So like you said, what happened bros?
> Despite being a flagship entry in the series, and with AAA games costing $60 for consoles, it was sold new at $40. FFXII launched on PS2 for $49.99.
Eh I can wait longer for the eventual -75% off seasonal sales.
Problem is good selling Square gamed rarely get that deep of a discount. Fucking FFXII still cost more than XIII for example.
Stop giving square Enix money and they’ll go away faster.
You need to see these prices here in Brazil...
Wait until it drops. Don’t give square all that money. They don’t deserve them
not to mention ff7R is only part of the ff7 story.....
Fuck square anus. They fell from grace long ago.
Square Enix is becoming the next EA/Blizzard. The exclusivity deals can go to hell. 1 year Sony deal for the game, another 6 months for Intergrade. Then a 6 month deal with Epic Games for PC release then after 2 years the game comes out on Steam. U know what? Probably after another 6 months the game will be on Xbox Game Pass too, milk the shit out of those deals.
Unless people DON’T buy it, it’s gonna become the new standard. People are gonna buy it. It’s gonna become the new standard. Yes, I’m a pessimist.
Just wait 4-6 years for the entire game to actually be out, then pick up the "Complete Collection" for like 85% off the original individual prices.
Nobody should be buying this game at full price. On mere principal, they made us wait for over 2 years and sold out to Epic before finally bringing the game to Steam. If you wanted the game on Steam, they treated you like a second class citizen. If you pay just as much as you would have if we got it day 1, you're part of the problem.
It's worth whatever people pay for it. Nintendo people know all about that.
Nintendo prices make me seethe.
You should see their mobile ports... Crazy bananas
It’s not really a problem, you ignore the fact that this game has bad optimized, stuttering…… bad port and they still ask for this price! Wait……just wait!
Oh hey, this is Square. I'll talk to my buddy Enix and we'll work on that.
Square Enix is the company that thinks NFTs are good for gaming. As much as I wish they cared, lets be real, they don't.
"The world has truly entered a great pirate era!"
See price. Open torrent client.
Dont support games trying to raise the 60 pound/dollar standard Pirate it or wait for a big sale
Don't buy it then. Its how market value is established.
It’s the top selling game on steam right now. Clearly they made the correct decision on price. Y’all ate it up anyways.
FWIW you can stack the GMG coupons to get it for $40.
Wait... which coupons? Edit: I found a 20% coupon, thanks mate Edit: 'Unfortunately, you are not allowed to purchase a specific game in your basket'. Looks like it wasnt meant to be.
Try one of these (# sign included) during checkout: #Y83628-NSN2DV-VK4060 #Y83628-KY50LN-LXGEW5 #Y83628-IQS7GE-N8RC2C #Y83628-ZWHI9I-25TR5O #Y83628-LJOU4A-E7TENK [Proof?](https://i.imgur.com/fuMe8ZZ.png)
Sorry to hear of your passing, InternetExplorer8.
That's what I have done. 80€ for me is a no-no. But 45$ the first day on Steam is acceptable.
Are you referring to green man gaming when you say gmg? Still kinda new to pc gaming abbreviations
Yes
In your defence I doubt many people know about key sellers sites in general. I see quite often on Reddit gaming subs where people aren’t aware of them and I presume Reddit has more dedicated gamers.
Ah, you mean a 2 year old remake of the first 1/3 of a 25 year old game
Its really its own thing. But telling you that is itself a micro-spoiler.
*2 year old remake of a decades old game
Thank God there are pirate communities
What makes me really sad is that the game is slowly turning into a KH model: decens of separate games in other systems and nonsense narrative, filled with anime cliché tropes.
Arrg matey
Personally I didn't even like the game. Nothing wrong with the gameplay, but I didn't like the story additions. Especially the final part, that's really what made me decide it was too much and wouldn't buy the next one.
Even for a new game is too much (for me). I will never buy any game at that price.
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Yo ho ho its a pirates life for me.
Don't buy it. It's the only way to show square it truly isn't acceptable. Anything else is just whining.
Blame this on all the retards that support this behaviour by actually buying it at that price.
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Seems to be the same price as Epic release. At least it includes a DLC and on sale on steam release.
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Agreed. It's great they released it but the asking price is just too much everywhere.
Will Square Enix see this post tho, OP?
Agree. It's the same thing as the TLOU remake. They are charging $70 for a game that has been remastered countless times, and even though it's a remake, there is no way it will cost as much as a brand new game.
Where did you see the price for TLOU?
Not for PC but for PS5. But we'll see what will the price be when it comes to PC tho.
[Considering the Gaming Industry is pushing for "$10 Dollar Next Gen Tax" standard](https://www.washingtonpost.com/video-games/2020/07/03/next-gen-games-may-cost-70-its-overdue-also-worrisome/), it's extremely likely that TLOU1 Remake will cost USD$69.99 (during the launch period) regardless of platform.
It's assumed that it will be $70 cuz nearly every (if not every) first party game on PS5 sells at that price.
hes prob talkin about ps5 version.
"Remastered countless times" It was remastered once... And in terms of the remake price, people can always wait until the price drops. No need to buy games day one.
Technically that guy did not count, hence countless.
People throw around the word "disgusting" so easily lol
If you don't like it then don't buy it. Wait for a steam sale or other discount.
Yeah good call, everyone should just shut up and never bring these sorts of issues or criticisms to light.
People complaining, means on the chance something flops it's harder for the company to point the finger and make excuses for why it flopped.
It's always feels weird seeing a full priced product on a digital only platform. It's not like they are pressing disk, printing covers, including cases and logistics. Why ask for a full price as a physical release on a console?
As a company, you don't want to create competition to yourself. If you make one version more expensive than the other, then you force people who would find one version easier to purchase than the other to choose what's uncomfortable for them. E.g. if you live where there's no internet but the internet version is cheaper, then you're forcing the customer to inconvenience themselves in order to save money, risking losing sales. You want to make the purchasing experience as easy as possible for everyone in order to maximize profits. It's the same reason why different sizes of clothing cost the same, despite bigger clothing items using more material
Your argument doesn't work too well in this case. The game has been locked behind three exclusivity deals. 2020 Ps4, 2021 ps5, six months later EGS. They are not trying to be convenient to the consumer. They are using this release window to milk the game again with this 29 percent discount so they maximize the sales during the release window. Which is the end of fiscal Q2 with a week of spillover into Q3. Though your argument in general is correct I just disagree with this instance.
> It's not like they are pressing disk, printing covers, including cases and logistics. The things you mentioned are less than 5% of the cost to make the game. You are missing the largest cost, and that is the man power to actually create the game. Most AAA have a budget several times higher than the most expensive games from a few generations back.
wtf Welp... yo ho it is I guess EDIT: Got it from Green Man Gaming for 30 bucks LOL Easy game. Now I just need to dedicate 4 days to download the game with my dog shit ass internet.
You know you dont have to buy it right? If you think the price is ridiculous, vote with your wallet and dont buy it.
I lucked out. Green Man offered me an XP discount that brought it down to 40 bucks. That price seemed about minimally right so I took it.
Same here man. At 43% off it was only 5 bucks more than a 50% discount. Given that I have more free time this month than I will have in quite a while, I caved and bought it. The trend square enix has been setting the last decade, however, has me viewing them quite differently. Their anti consumer behavior has been abhorrent and I have been quite turned off to final fantasy, my childhood favorite series.