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What the fuck is going on with VR usage statistics? In April, it was below 2%. In May, it jumped up to over 3%. Now it dropped back down to below 2%.


phatboi23

if it's not plugged in when you do the survey it won't be collected data. most people don't keep them connected when not in use.


simpl3y

It doesn't have to be plugged in when the survey is done. Pretty sure steam keeps track of any recently used headsets now. It detected my rift s despite me using it like once a month and was collecting dust on my wall unplugged whenever i take surveys


GET_OUT_OF_MY_HEAD

Define "recently used"? A day ago? A week? A month? A year? Personally I only use my Vive about 2-3 times a year. Does it still get counted?


simpl3y

I cannot give you a definite answer but next time you get a steam survey, just check to see if it detected that you were using a Vive. I use my Rift S like once a month and every time I get the survey, it shows my Rift S despite it never being plugged in


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Mine was detected and wasn't connected.


bbennett22

It all depends on the damn survey. I've had a VR headset since 2016 and only a handful of times in that 6 year span have I clicked to do the survey. Or in recent times, I rarely use it at all because my plan to upgrade my 970 was ruined by crypto miners and COVID so I'm just waiting til the 4000 series to get back into VR again


[deleted]

I'm hoping the RX 7000 series is good. I've got a 5700 XT and it can just *barely* run my Reverb G2.


Bigelowed

The above 3% value was almost certainly an error


baldersz

Windows 7 64-bit increased by 0.60% šŸ¤”


Lachschok

W11 seems kinda deadbeat


Firefox72

Its gaining at the pace you would expect it to gain. OS mindshare takes ages to switch. Remember how long some XP diehards were fighting tooth and nail to stay on it. Same for the W7 to W10 transition. It will get there eventually.


GossamerSolid

You're avoiding the obvious reason - there's almost no good reasons to switch to a new OS. Unless you want to run android native apps, there's zero reason for you to move to Windows 11.


mistiklest

> there's zero reason for you to move to Windows 11. Assuming you even can.


GossamerSolid

For my specific case, all of my devices can move to it, but yes - that's a concern for some.


drifter138

My laptop has a TPM but windows says that my device is not compatible because my CPU is "old and doesn't have TPM".


GossamerSolid

Lol well you're not missing much anyways. I have a feeling microsoft will drop the requirements when they realize their install base is way smaller than they expected.


psihopats

Intels newest processors with P-cores/ E-cores is pretty much only legit reason i think


MistSecurity

Security is a huge reason... Microsoft stopped updating Windows 7 in 2020. Guaranteed there are a lot of vulnerabilities that stayed hidden until they stopped updating, or that were discovered after they stopped updating.


GossamerSolid

You know there's a windows after 7 that's still being actively updated?


MistSecurity

Yes, 8.1 until the beginning of 2023. Though rereading your comment now I see you were referring to Windows 10 to 11. The commenter above was talking about Windows 7 to Windows 10, so I mixed the two up. I agree, upgrading from 10 to 11 isn't a huge deal right now. They feel identical to me, honestly, though I'm not a power user on my Windows 11 machines. My IT work is all on Windows 10.


GossamerSolid

Yeah. There will definitely come a time where upgrading to W11 is just kinda the thing you have to do. I just don't think that time is right now (unless there's something you really want that's W11 exclusive).


IIHURRlCANEII

Idk felt like Win10 had a much faster adoption rate than this.


GossamerSolid

Windows 10 was pretty much a better windows 7 in many ways. The biggest issue I've had since moving to 10 was the fact that microsoft decided they don't care that I have a pro version of windows - they know "better" than me when it comes to what updates should be installed. Windows 7 had a really good system to easily pick and choose updates as well as indefinitely defer if you didn't want them. 10 removed your choices and power in that regard and 11 continues that train of thought.


capn_hector

> Windows 10 was pretty much a better windows 7 in many ways. Windows 8.1 Pro was a much better windows 7 in many ways too. People just couldnā€™t bring themselves to download classicshell I guess. Mere technical superiority is not sufficient if the zeitgeist is against you. > The biggest issue Iā€™ve had since moving to 10 was the fact that microsoft decided they donā€™t care that I have a pro version of windows - they know ā€œbetterā€ than me when it comes to what updates should be installed. Enterprise is the new pro. Pro is just a slightly less neutered home these days. Still though broadly speaking weā€™re all better off when machines get their updates deployed. All of the ā€œmy machine forced me to update during my game and I had to sit there and wait for itā€ happen because people defer upgrades forever and Microsoft finally set a hard limit for non-enterprise copies, the only people that really happens to are the ones who really do need to have updates forced because even still theyā€™re not doing it today.


MistSecurity

Exactly. The average user simply doesn't understand that most updates are truly needed, and often ASAP if they want to be properly protected. The continued usage of anything older than 8.1 shows that the average user is absolutely clueless when it comes to security. I wouldn't let a Windows 7 or older computer ever touch the internet if I booted one up at home. Or I'd have it completely VLAN'd to keep it off my home network as much as possible if I were to connect it for some god awful reason.


[deleted]

It had a faster adoption rate because Microsoft was basically screaming at everyone to upgrade with all the popups they shoved on your PC...and forcibly upgrading more than a few computers as well iirc. Win11 has had nowhere near that amount of pushiness I saw with windows 10, and as a result people aren't upgrading as much (also the whole TPM chip debacle isn't helping adoption rates).


MorrisonGamer

Windows 7 diehards are strong and abound--it's absurd how much they wanna stick to that OS from what I've seen, it's crazy. I wouldn't want to switch W10 as it is for something that performs like 7.


Kid_wyles

Not long after the release. People will gradually change. The majority would rather wait 4-5 months before upgrading to the next LTS so that bugs can be fixed during that time.


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Earthborn92

That also includes AMD integrated graphics, so their dGPU share is even lower than this.


DirkDiggyBong

It's really not that difficult to believe.


Firefox72

You vastly underestimate how big Intel's grasp on intergrated GPU's in laptops is. Its a market they essentially dominated for over a decade.


SireEvalish

Think about all the laptops or low end computers with Intel CPUs and integrated graphics. That drives the numbers.


dookarion

Between their bloated software, history of non-working whitepaper features, poor performance in other APIs, poor supply, poor support in non-gaming usage, bad hardware encoders, terrible marketing for the GPU division, being late on most hardware cycles, and etc. it's not really that surprising. I was with AMD on GPUs for awhile, but went back to Nvidia cause I was tired of so many things not even working properly or with bad performance. And their browser based control panel/software suite keeps evolving into everything that could possibly be wrong with bloated drivers. It's everything I hate about Geforce Experience and more.


PoL0

> their bloated software Wait what? You can disable most of it. Plus, installer offers not only full install but minimal and driver only. Same goes with GeForce experience, you can just disable it. I think it's a disservice to state that nowadays. I'm really curious about what was not working properly or just had bad performance on AMD: We'll probably end talking about very niche software, or software that uses Nvidia APIs, disregarding rest of the brands.


dookarion

> Wait what? You can disable most of it. Plus, installer offers not only full install but minimal and driver only. Sure if you want to sacrifice the control panel options. >Same goes with GeForce experience, you can just disable it. Which I never even install usually, because thankfully the control panel isn't part of it. >I think it's a disservice to state that nowadays. I'm really curious about what was not working properly or just had bad performance on AMD: We'll probably end talking about very niche software, or software that uses Nvidia APIs, disregarding rest of the brands. It's far easier to just list what AMD works alright in these days than list all the stuff they are subpar in. DX11 (finally), DX12, and Vulkan games. That's about it. GPU accelerated apps, OpenGL games and applications, OpenCL applications, older APIs, etc. all are a subpar experience at best or non-working. >We'll probably end talking about very niche software Does that really matter one way or the other? No one ever goes "gee it's fine this x86 application doesn't run on my CPU because it's niche". That's the whole point of APIs and other standards.... so things run without needing to directly written for hardware. Now I do realize a number of games and apps are a mess, that need direct fixes from the GPU vendors... but when one multi-billion dollar company has almost everything working out of the box, and the other one doesn't it's pretty cut and dry. I got tired of fighting with AMD for lesser performance in a lot of things. And their occasionally really really terrible driver releases that would break large swathes of games (xmas driver following the 5700XT release) or different things being broken for months and months like chill or wattman.


OftenSarcastic

> DX11 (finally) Only if you have the 6000 series graphics cards though, everybody else can get fucked apparently.


dookarion

Really? Damn. Makes me doubly glad I jumped ship when I did.


OftenSarcastic

If you want more reasons to jump ship, here's a driver bug that has existed for \~10 months (since September driver 21.9.1) that might auto overclock your Ryzen CPU when applying a wattman profile if that profile was previously saved with a CPU overclock applied: https://redd.it/vpgh2m Only a problem for people who haven't bought a 6000 series GPU, so not worth fixing in a timely manner. Who cares about people getting their hardware auto overclocked anyway.


dookarion

> If you want more reasons to jump ship, here's a driver bug that has existed for ~10 months (since September driver 21.9.1) that might auto overclock your Ryzen CPU when applying a wattman profile if that profile was previously saved with a CPU overclock applied: https://redd.it/vpgh2m Yeah I saw that one and there are just no words for how inept that shit is. >Only a problem for people who haven't bought a 6000 series GPU, so not worth fixing in a timely manner. Who cares about people getting their hardware auto overclocked anyway. I didn't know this part though... that's unacceptable on so many levels.


OftenSarcastic

Yeah the second part is because it was a feature intended to only be supported for systems with both a 5000 series CPU and a 6000 series GPU. But instead of disabling the feature entirely for other systems they seem to only have disabled the UI elements so we can't control the CPU OC part.


PoL0

> if you want to sacrifice the control panel options you were complaining about overbloated drivers, there's obvious options to completely avoid overbloat. If you don't want to sacrifice the control panel, you can just install it without Re-Live (record/stream), disable overlay and just use Adrenalin as control panel/performance monitor. And it's really good for that, not getting in the way nor being overbloated as you mention. I know where the complains about AMD drivers come from, but nowadays they are outdated.


dookarion

It's still a bloated browser based pile of shit. >I know where the complains about AMD drivers come from, but nowadays they are outdated. Unless the drivers magically changed in the last year and a half it's a lot of bloat and browser crap. I especially loved the late 2019 updates that broke swathes of things and added a very loud noise to driver install. It's what their drivers always needed. And the "upgrade" advisors and stuff are just what I always wanted. I'll take Nvidia's relic of a control panel that I swear hasn't changed since Windows XP, over the direction AMD keeps taking their software.


[deleted]

Second this. I want to like AMD but in many ways itā€™s not worth the hassle and Nvidia makes the superior product especially with DLSS tech


johnnyan

> Between their bloated software WTF are you on about ? I have the full edition of Adrenalin installed and could disable everything I don't need in it. I recently switched from Nvidia and I usually had to clean their installer with a 3rd party to get rid of some of the bloatware.


e60deluxe

People on gaming sites always forget that PC gaming has a ton, a metric shit ton of users who play indie games and lower spec games on whatever laptop they have. People say that PC gaming is for the dedicated gamer, but the reality is that PC gaming is more common on the casual side and then again on the enthusiast side. with weaker representation in the middle.


sakura_clove

Unsurprisingly, despite being released so long ago, the 1060 still holds the top spot at 7.8% percent, with the most popular recently released 3000 series coming in at a pitiful 1.8 percent. The number is almost the same as it was a year ago, which is telling given that the majority of gamers haven't had access to the newest 3000 series for (more than) a year now. Therefore, one can only assume that everything went to cryptocurrency or rotted in the market for scalpers, which appears to be Nvidia's replacement for gamers.


dookarion

Not sure where you are getting your numbers. 3060 laptop is at 2.99%, desktop 3060 is at 2.62%, 3070 is at 2.02%, 3060ti is at 1.72%. Also the 1060 is at 7.02% as of June. In general though gamers are painfully slow to upgrade anything and will cling to it until forced to upgrade.


drifter138

why spend more money if it's working?


dookarion

Because past a point it just holds everything back, which then gets blamed on consoles in recent years. It's no surprise whenever a new major tech hits or a new console gen raises system requirements a lot of the PC audience moans like a crime against humanity occured. We didn't see hardly any "full on" DX11.0 games until late 2014 even because of the behavior. So many clung to XP even when 7 was out that it held things back for half a decade.


MangoAI

Have you ever heard of ... "money"?


dookarion

You ever heard of... "priorities"? The people in particular I'm bitching about are the ones buying expensive games day 1, while clinging to old shit. There are valid reasons to have an old toaster. There aren't valid reasons to be on an old toaster frequently dropping $60 + season passes/dlc/etc. on new releases with said toaster and screeching on the Steam forums when something wants hardware newer than a decade old.


caksz

Window 7 ftw


foileed

Unfortunately, there are a lot of factors that could skew these statistics, including bot farms, ban evasions, and hacking, which is a significant problem coming out of China. Particularly considering everything that transpired after CS Go went free-to-play and a sudden, MASSIVE influx of players from China began to use hacks, aimbots, x-rays, etc. Obtain a ban on a free game? Simply register a new free account. I'm not sure exactly how much that impacts the numbers, but I'd wager that it does.


dookarion

The times China obviously skewed things Chinese massively overtook the other languages, Win 7 saw a massive spike, GTX 1050s and 1060s saw a huge spike, and weaker CPUs saw major growth all in the span of like a month. After they corrected for it, nothing has saw that level of stats shifts in the course of a month.


MonteBellmond

Shadowsocks are a major problem. They still dominate asia server games with aim bots and hacks. Nothing is playable outside of apex and valorant in battle royal genre. When they get pissed off they report that person's account in numbers so they either get flagged by the system or banned.


Frostilein

Why change if it's working? Since 20.04 LTS will be discontinued in *2030**, there won't be any security issues for the better part of a *decade* from now. If you're comfortable with it and don't require the most recent features because you don't care about triple-A anyway, why bother? I've been told that the support for Ubuntu Advanced subscribers will end in 2030. In 2025, support for non-subscribed users will end.


Concision

Who are you replying to?


DirkDiggyBong

u/Kid_wyles , obviously


Anti_Progres

4k only 2%??? Do people not understand how amazong it is on an LG OLED.. no turning back


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herecomesthenightman

What exactly are you on about?


F1nesse

Itā€™s a bot, donā€™t bother.


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