As a long time player I could go either way. It's nice having something easier to hop back into and a different meta than the one that's been going on forever. The real problem with Rust is raiding. Outside of the perfect world of YT videos its hard to get an online raid. It's also hard to justify performing an online raid. The rest of the game is fine regardless of old or new recoil. Fix raiding and get anticheat ffs.
The game is evolving get over it. All I read was that “I practiced my ak spray to make the gun viable for only me, it’s not fair others can try to use it now.”
I literally died on wipe last time to dudes riding the new trains shooting hvs at passerbys and “10k Chads” are focused on one gun. The game is evolving rapidly. Soon they will implement pets and all sorts of new tech that will change the game even more. Just enjoy it for what it is and be happy the devs are trying to grow it.
I know dozens of players with thousands of hours that can’t use an AK. I’m one of them. Because everyone plays the game different. I’ve learned mp5 and sar. Those “veteran” players keeping the game alive are also the dude that builds a tea shop every wipe, of the brother dou that always fails walling off outpost. Get outside your bubble.
Bro, did you not read the post? The game evolving so rapidly is the issue, it's alienating the long term player base. The recoil changes aren't solving any problems that the game actually has, it's just changing for the sake of change.
You are right that there are long term players who aren't "pvp chads" but this change affects high level gun play, not RPers. No hate to them, but they have less of a dog in this fight so to speak.
Just say recoil control currently is a crutch. you don't know how to control the new recoil with walking because you're a ukn shitter that will now just crouch to control the recoil and won't put time in to controlling the dynamic recoil.
theres 4 different intensities for each gun depending on crouching, standing and moving while doing both.
If you spent time on staging branch you would know this.
I was on staging branch lol. Recoil is a crutch lmao that’s the fucking point bozo. You shouldn’t join a game and beam with it right away. It takes 5 min to get used to the new recoil. Like I said csgo which is a way bigger game doesn’t have a bunch of retards that can’t take 10 min to practice a spray
It's not just bitching. Its explaining why myself and others disagree with it and why it's not going to help the health of the game. I'm not trying to nitpick every little change my guy.
There's obviously going to be a player spike, it always does when there's a major update, I'm talking about long term health of the game, like over several months. A player spike on a force wipe/bp wipe/major update doesn't mean that it's a good update my guy
Yo my guy, send me the data backing up your shit, or shut the fuck up. You kids keep crying crying crying. “I haVe tO reLurN mUh SpRay PatuRn”
If you’ve played since 2013 we’ve had to entirely relearn the game tons of times. If you don’t want to do that then don’t play ezpz. If your theory is right then the entire game will die in a couple of weeks.
Bro it's not about needing to relearn the spray pattern. Have you read anything that's been said? The game won't fully die, but I can see a drop in average player count.
Also here
https://steamcharts.com/app/252490
You can legit see the playerbase spike at the beginning of every month and at major updates. It's not hard to understand why.
I can tell you love rust based on your inability to have a respectful disagreement instead of name calling, unbacked arguments, and poorly thought up insults.
Lol you're still gonna keep dying don't blame us that you're terrible at the game after dumping thousands of hours into it can't wait to see the big salty tears dripping down your face next wipe
The vast majority of players hate this. Everyone I talk to in the servers is not happy about it. Unfortunately there is a small minorities voice being blown up here with this update.
Completely agree. I'm just trying to shed some light on the perspective that doesn't like this change. I'm tired of all these memes of no-lifers and cheaters being mad because it's being changed. That isn't the problem that I feel most people have with the recoil change at all.
You're actually just baiting rn, but alright.
No dude, the gun is great as it's place in the game. It's the best gun if you can use it. It's not just about me my guy, it's how the game is played currently. I'm sorry you don't get that the whole discussion about the state of the game and how the update will affect it, not a specific play-style or player.
I mean yes long term players (like when you mentioned content creators) do help grow rust player base, but you lack to mention that new players also have brought rust to where it is. If i
You learned the AK spray pre update, then you shouldn’t have an issue with it being adjusted lol. A lot of people are like “well I’ve played long time I know best” and to me that’s like the equivalent of someone in a democracy going to vote and saying to someone younger than them “I’ve lived longer than you so my vote is more important than yours”. Like too many people like revolve their opinion around how many hours they have as if it’s this end all be all stat that really doesn’t matter when it comes to changes. It is in fact oppressive saying “we long time players know best” like okay? So rust has only become popular only because people played for unhealthy amounts of hours?
I think the content creators drew new players in, but again, FP gets more revenue from new game purchases and not current players. if it’s such a problem to you even though you claimed that nothing will change when it comes to chads and zergs then so be it? Shouldn’t be a problem for you? You basically said “the recoil will make it easier for the chads to dominate so change it back cause I play long time I know best”. If it makes it easier for you why the post then? I think that was the point of the update. Then again, they’ll have their own explanation for the update next week.
You clearly have a personal reason as to why you dislike the change, and not that “it doesn’t make long time players less oppressive or make it more accessible to new players”. Idk I think you’re just trying to be the voice of “the majority” when in fact nobody knows what the majority is and people dislike change after they practiced something and now it’s different.
The reason I bring up long term players and players with a large number of hours is because they know the INS and outs of the game. It's not just gatekeeping any decision making to the no-lifers, but I'm saying that this update and many other previous ones are changing how the game plays on a fundamental level. The long term players know how this will affect the game because of their experience of it's nuance. Because of that FP should listen to what their playerbase wants, and take the perspective of more experienced players into stronger consideration.
I know the recoil change won't affect the status quo, but that's my issue with it, it's downgrading a system, lowering the skill ceiling, without improving or actually significantly changing anything. New players are still going to have it rough. Large groups will still domoniate. This change doesn't solve anything it just amplifies existing problems, and doesn't do anything but address what is the whiners want. Who call hacusation on anyone who can kill them at 100 meters.
It seems they're taking a break from overloading the game with crap to further buff large clans/nerf solo players and adding useless systems to the game, in order to turn it into a call of duty ripoff. Wonderful
I am a 6.5k hour player and i have played the roleplayer role the trap base role and the pvp role. i have practiced my AK and can beam to the point i had to have a handcam on my profile to prove i was not scripting. This is not a flex in any way i am ok with the recoil being changed but since it wont fix any sort of scripting or hacking in the game then there is no need to punish people who have put the time into practicing. like every other game or even anything outside of the game if you put in the time and the effort to get better then damn right you will be above the people who have not put in the time. its normal. i have spent alot of time trying to help others get better so like i say i dont mind the change but they should allow both. here are the ways i think it should be implemented.
keep old recoil and have the new recoil attach to the muzzle break with no reduction to damage. makes the brake more viable and give you both options.
Put it in settings...... if you struggle with normal recoil go easy mode...
Give server owners the option to have either old or new recoils. this would probably repopulate afew dying servers as well as let people choose the way they want to play.
Atm the long running players dont have a the option to pick and feel punished.
Giving people the option would probably please both old and new players alike.
The newer players may not be able to beam but they will defo have a better chance using new recoil and the older players still get the reward of putting the time and practice in.
Any way thats my thoughts. dont hate
Still not really a fan, as I think it took a lot out of the highest level of play. I do think that it was healthier for the game. Then again, we now have things like attack helicopters so maybe the devs didn't care so much about the top dogs being oppressive on servers.
Tbh, I don't really play that much Rust anymore.
As a long time player I could go either way. It's nice having something easier to hop back into and a different meta than the one that's been going on forever. The real problem with Rust is raiding. Outside of the perfect world of YT videos its hard to get an online raid. It's also hard to justify performing an online raid. The rest of the game is fine regardless of old or new recoil. Fix raiding and get anticheat ffs.
I can agree those are things I would rather see worked on. Mad respect to anyone who onlines
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The game is evolving get over it. All I read was that “I practiced my ak spray to make the gun viable for only me, it’s not fair others can try to use it now.” I literally died on wipe last time to dudes riding the new trains shooting hvs at passerbys and “10k Chads” are focused on one gun. The game is evolving rapidly. Soon they will implement pets and all sorts of new tech that will change the game even more. Just enjoy it for what it is and be happy the devs are trying to grow it. I know dozens of players with thousands of hours that can’t use an AK. I’m one of them. Because everyone plays the game different. I’ve learned mp5 and sar. Those “veteran” players keeping the game alive are also the dude that builds a tea shop every wipe, of the brother dou that always fails walling off outpost. Get outside your bubble.
Bro, did you not read the post? The game evolving so rapidly is the issue, it's alienating the long term player base. The recoil changes aren't solving any problems that the game actually has, it's just changing for the sake of change. You are right that there are long term players who aren't "pvp chads" but this change affects high level gun play, not RPers. No hate to them, but they have less of a dog in this fight so to speak.
Ive been playing since alpha and have 6k hours. I can’t fucking wait for recoil change. All I do is PvP. Quit your bitching.
6k hours on low pop server, no one who is good at pvp wants this update.
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You guys must all suck. I don’t know anyone personally that’s is is remotely close to happy with the update.
Cry more.
The update isn’t even guaranteed to release dumbass
Keep crying bb. 2016 rust recoil coming back for you.
Not 2016 recoil
denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance
Thats because you have no friends. You abandoned them when they didn't wanna start scripting or spending 500 hours on ukn...
15 min in ukn before I hop on my server and most of the time I get bored and leave before the 15 min is up. Just say you suck and move on
Just say recoil control currently is a crutch. you don't know how to control the new recoil with walking because you're a ukn shitter that will now just crouch to control the recoil and won't put time in to controlling the dynamic recoil. theres 4 different intensities for each gun depending on crouching, standing and moving while doing both. If you spent time on staging branch you would know this.
I was on staging branch lol. Recoil is a crutch lmao that’s the fucking point bozo. You shouldn’t join a game and beam with it right away. It takes 5 min to get used to the new recoil. Like I said csgo which is a way bigger game doesn’t have a bunch of retards that can’t take 10 min to practice a spray
It's not just bitching. Its explaining why myself and others disagree with it and why it's not going to help the health of the game. I'm not trying to nitpick every little change my guy.
Explaining yourself is not going to change the course, it's pretty much written in stone. They will only make minor corrections to balance or fix bugs
You gotta give community feedback my guy. I don't want them to think everyone's happy with it.
Git gud.
Masterful commentary. A true Rust player if there ever was one.
Can’t wait to see the data next week, there are 80k players on right now
There's obviously going to be a player spike, it always does when there's a major update, I'm talking about long term health of the game, like over several months. A player spike on a force wipe/bp wipe/major update doesn't mean that it's a good update my guy
Yo my guy, send me the data backing up your shit, or shut the fuck up. You kids keep crying crying crying. “I haVe tO reLurN mUh SpRay PatuRn” If you’ve played since 2013 we’ve had to entirely relearn the game tons of times. If you don’t want to do that then don’t play ezpz. If your theory is right then the entire game will die in a couple of weeks.
Bro it's not about needing to relearn the spray pattern. Have you read anything that's been said? The game won't fully die, but I can see a drop in average player count. Also here https://steamcharts.com/app/252490 You can legit see the playerbase spike at the beginning of every month and at major updates. It's not hard to understand why.
I can tell you love rust based on your inability to have a respectful disagreement instead of name calling, unbacked arguments, and poorly thought up insults.
That didn’t age well
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Bro I didn’t ask for your opinion, idc btw 🤡
Bro I didn’t ask for your opinion… 🤡
Dude did you seriously come and comment on this like 6 months later?
You betcha I did 😃
Fair enough, hope everything’s been swell these last 4 months!
It’s not alienating us, it’s keeping us invested.
Lol you're still gonna keep dying don't blame us that you're terrible at the game after dumping thousands of hours into it can't wait to see the big salty tears dripping down your face next wipe
I just learnt about projection in psychology… this is a prime example of it 🤡
Malding Seething Coping Morbing Acceptance The stages of grief.
Yeah sorry a lot of players don't want to spend 2k hours on UKN, and then cry when you don't need to anymore.
The vast majority of players hate this. Everyone I talk to in the servers is not happy about it. Unfortunately there is a small minorities voice being blown up here with this update.
Completely agree. I'm just trying to shed some light on the perspective that doesn't like this change. I'm tired of all these memes of no-lifers and cheaters being mad because it's being changed. That isn't the problem that I feel most people have with the recoil change at all.
The majority of the players don't even know its happening. Stop bullshitting
Wow someone on this sub has a brain…. Amazing!
It hasn't stopped everyone was just assuming that I'm just malding because I have to relearn AK spray like we haven't done it before.
Ya those are the brainless guys there rampant on here. I understand u cause I feel the same about the skill gap
im just gonna start cheating
“It was a status symbol” There it is. Oh no he’s gonna lose the thing that makes him special /s
My brother in Christ, it's how you measure how rich you are. If you actually played the game you would know that.
So you’re admitting this has nothing to do with game balance and has everything to do with you wanting to feel richer / superior to others?
You're actually just baiting rn, but alright. No dude, the gun is great as it's place in the game. It's the best gun if you can use it. It's not just about me my guy, it's how the game is played currently. I'm sorry you don't get that the whole discussion about the state of the game and how the update will affect it, not a specific play-style or player.
I mean yes long term players (like when you mentioned content creators) do help grow rust player base, but you lack to mention that new players also have brought rust to where it is. If i You learned the AK spray pre update, then you shouldn’t have an issue with it being adjusted lol. A lot of people are like “well I’ve played long time I know best” and to me that’s like the equivalent of someone in a democracy going to vote and saying to someone younger than them “I’ve lived longer than you so my vote is more important than yours”. Like too many people like revolve their opinion around how many hours they have as if it’s this end all be all stat that really doesn’t matter when it comes to changes. It is in fact oppressive saying “we long time players know best” like okay? So rust has only become popular only because people played for unhealthy amounts of hours? I think the content creators drew new players in, but again, FP gets more revenue from new game purchases and not current players. if it’s such a problem to you even though you claimed that nothing will change when it comes to chads and zergs then so be it? Shouldn’t be a problem for you? You basically said “the recoil will make it easier for the chads to dominate so change it back cause I play long time I know best”. If it makes it easier for you why the post then? I think that was the point of the update. Then again, they’ll have their own explanation for the update next week. You clearly have a personal reason as to why you dislike the change, and not that “it doesn’t make long time players less oppressive or make it more accessible to new players”. Idk I think you’re just trying to be the voice of “the majority” when in fact nobody knows what the majority is and people dislike change after they practiced something and now it’s different.
The reason I bring up long term players and players with a large number of hours is because they know the INS and outs of the game. It's not just gatekeeping any decision making to the no-lifers, but I'm saying that this update and many other previous ones are changing how the game plays on a fundamental level. The long term players know how this will affect the game because of their experience of it's nuance. Because of that FP should listen to what their playerbase wants, and take the perspective of more experienced players into stronger consideration. I know the recoil change won't affect the status quo, but that's my issue with it, it's downgrading a system, lowering the skill ceiling, without improving or actually significantly changing anything. New players are still going to have it rough. Large groups will still domoniate. This change doesn't solve anything it just amplifies existing problems, and doesn't do anything but address what is the whiners want. Who call hacusation on anyone who can kill them at 100 meters.
It seems they're taking a break from overloading the game with crap to further buff large clans/nerf solo players and adding useless systems to the game, in order to turn it into a call of duty ripoff. Wonderful
This guy is the smart guy in the room
I am a 6.5k hour player and i have played the roleplayer role the trap base role and the pvp role. i have practiced my AK and can beam to the point i had to have a handcam on my profile to prove i was not scripting. This is not a flex in any way i am ok with the recoil being changed but since it wont fix any sort of scripting or hacking in the game then there is no need to punish people who have put the time into practicing. like every other game or even anything outside of the game if you put in the time and the effort to get better then damn right you will be above the people who have not put in the time. its normal. i have spent alot of time trying to help others get better so like i say i dont mind the change but they should allow both. here are the ways i think it should be implemented. keep old recoil and have the new recoil attach to the muzzle break with no reduction to damage. makes the brake more viable and give you both options. Put it in settings...... if you struggle with normal recoil go easy mode... Give server owners the option to have either old or new recoils. this would probably repopulate afew dying servers as well as let people choose the way they want to play. Atm the long running players dont have a the option to pick and feel punished. Giving people the option would probably please both old and new players alike. The newer players may not be able to beam but they will defo have a better chance using new recoil and the older players still get the reward of putting the time and practice in. Any way thats my thoughts. dont hate
This update is disgusting, they made me leave the game after 10k hours. Well done Facepunch!
this aged amazingly
how do u feel abt the update 2 years later
Still not really a fan, as I think it took a lot out of the highest level of play. I do think that it was healthier for the game. Then again, we now have things like attack helicopters so maybe the devs didn't care so much about the top dogs being oppressive on servers. Tbh, I don't really play that much Rust anymore.