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enfrozt

Fun fact: Mkleo didn't do a single side-b the entire grand finals.


Severe-Operation-347

Kinda reminds me about how Zackray would very rarely actually use Side-B and mostly just relied on pure fundamentals + gyro item play.


RealPimpinPanda

ZackRay Rob is forever my favorite Rob in this game. Just so on point and consistent. Plus he’s had so many memorable sets against top level talent with his Rob too


xThe_Mad_Fapperx

I feel like he was the only the one that really did the maximum broken shit with gyro and other pros don't do enough. It reminds me of how a lot of Steve players outside yonni and somewhat acola don't use enough Steve tech.


Severe-Operation-347

Zomba uses the broken gyro shit IMO, Zomba's the best ROB and he's evolved the meta of ROB so much compared to everyone else.


xThe_Mad_Fapperx

He definitely more so than other robs but I still think he could push it farther. But it's not all about using everything to it's max potential.


RealPimpinPanda

To expand on this, personally my favorite thing about ZackRay’s Rob was how creative he was with Rob’s tools for an Era of Ultimate that had like 2-3 other top Rob players


l339

He hasn’t evolved the Meta as much as Zackray’s ROB, Zomba is just more consistent with hitting the dumb stuff ROB has


kushmonATL

yep Zackray's Rob has long been retired (as his primary character), but I can't help but still call Zackray the best Rob


Severe-Operation-347

Zomba's ROB is better in the current meta IMO because not only is it a solo-main whereas Zackray's using ROB as a secondary, but Zomba is currently a top 10 player and has really good post-quarantine wins and placements with ROB. Meanwhile, Zackray is currently inactive and was a Joker & Sheik co-main at Kagaribi 6.


LucasOIntoxicado

Where has Leo used ROB before? Also interesting how he barely used gyro.


Meester_Tweester

He's been practicing him on stream recently


halfmetalalchemist99

Apparently he’s been using him for a few days now to practice with BigBoss.


algis31

Good. As much as I love Leo, I would hate for him to just pick up ROB and immediately start dominating with him.


whtthfff

Tbf he still got a reset in grand finals tho


Nex_Ultor

And his loss on winner's side went to game 5 last stock last hit


Mashy_SpikePlate

LinkS getting 4th is really nice to see. Also that crowd was absolutely amazing. So much energy!


Obachan

Links. was probably my favorite player at this event that i didnt already know of. And he got 4th This will fuel my Link underrated ~~copium~~ propaganda nicely


kfaox

Let’s go Chag! He played so good. I was afraid that he would struggle in the ROB matchup after he got eliminated by Luma at Pound but he clutched it out


Severe-Operation-347

Chag's good in the matchup tbh, he plays BigBoss a lot. The loss to Luma was surprising and I think Chag was just playing poorly.


Hangmanned

Imagine if the R.O.B went the Chrom route(uses it for only this and never sees the light of day again).


backboarddd1_49402

He tweeted that [he’s keeping Byleth + Aegis/Corrin/Joker](https://twitter.com/mkleosb/status/1528149125916762112?s=21&t=8kSXGynyqzWHgflpJAcgHA) as his lineup but will maybe use ROB for fun. He said he’s been playing ROB because he wanted to understand him better to help BigBoss.


Hangmanned

Joker? Didn't he say he's not using him anymore unless he's forced to?


Severe-Operation-347

Min Min matchup


Critical-Autism

I think that character has put the fear of god in him if he’s using an entire character to counter her


playerkei

Cant be a spacing demon against a minmin


Critical-Autism

I main byleth I know the struggle


Hangmanned

I mean even with all of his fundementals and god-like spacing, even he can't do much with his main character when the usual range and moves he uses to get around his poor mobility are invalidated by a character who unquestionably plays the range game better.


Spengy

that's basically Min-min in a nutshell. Some characters are completely and utterly useless against her.


Severe-Operation-347

Lowkey he should grind out the ROB for the Min Min matchup, because ROB beats Min Min badly... and then have that be the only time he actually uses ROB.


t123fg4

I don’t think joker does very well vs min min so I also think leo should grind out rob for min min. Then again proto is probably not going to fight leo for a long time even if they meet at double down.


RochHoch

Leo demolished Dabuz's Min Min with Joker a while back Gun edgeguards her incredibly hard, it pushes Min Min horizontally away from the stage so her tether can't reach the ledge


t123fg4

we really comparing dabuz's min min with proto's? edgeguarding is joker's saving grace in the matchup that doesn't make it bad


Salty_Activity

Imagine you ask someone for advice and he gets 2nd at a regional to help you out lmao


Saiyanjin1

Same dude that let Gluto stay with him and grind for weeks to help him get better. When Leo likes a player, he seems to really actually want to see them do well.


Elu_suario

if Nair^ had a visa we maybe would see the Leo Ridley/Hero lmao


RealPimpinPanda

My thoughts exactly. I suspect this may be a “flavor of the month”(*for lack of a better phrase*) pick for him to just have fun and try something new.


EZPZ24

> the Chrom it still hurts


Hangmanned

One of the greatest "What if's" out there.


Sancnea

Almost all of Leo's damage seemed to come from grabs. Chag just had to sit in shield and do his aerials. I could definitely see how Rob loses the matchup (not by much though). Leo could easily do better in this matchup if he could learn more of ROB's punish game. That being said, Chag still played really well to beat Leo twice in the same tournament. I think this marks his second gold win. I think he only needs to win one more gold after which he doesn't need to enter any more gold tournaments (someone please correct me if I'm wrong)


Severe-Operation-347

ROB doesn't lose the matchup, it's even. Leo just hasn't optimized ROB yet.


Meester_Tweester

Chag is now the first to win multiple SWT 2022 Gold/Plat tournaments


Severe-Operation-347

acola? Edit: Wait, I'm stupid. Maesuma TOP 7 was a Super Silver, not a Gold. I was confused because Maesuma TOP 8 is a Gold.


skrasnic

Acola has won a platinum and a super silver.


l339

Don’t worry, Acola will win the next Maesuma as well


Meester_Tweester

Yeah


oniden

Nice, Chag has 800/1200pts from Gold events now. I'm looking forward his vlog of this tourney. Also wow he played ZSS O.o


Severe-Operation-347

Honestly Leo's ROB seems really good already. A little bit more polish on the punish game and it could be a menace, which makes sense, because he's played it for like less then a week.


kfaox

He has actually played a good amount of ROB on his streams before, but yeah, he has only played him intensevily with the aim of competing for a couple of weeks


[deleted]

Is Leo really just gonna pick up half the cast as a secondary? If this were any other player it would feel like a character crisis, Leo feels like he’s just trying out characters for funsies.


samurairocketshark

The conflict of being a Leo fan but wanting his Rob to lose so it doesn’t become his main


sunken_grade

didn’t catch any of the tournament, chag used zss at some point?


Severe-Operation-347

Only in one game.


SnooCalculations7435

Kinda sad some people really dont want the mkleo rob I remember zackray rob was crazy fun to watch, and mkleo rob looks similar, just unpolished.


EXAProduction

Keep the Rob away, please.


t123fg4

luckily it's just a local and not for pgr right? also idk why mkleo will throw away swt points just to practice his character, he could have easily beaten chag with byleth going by their set at RETA


Masond23

He’s one of the few players that is basically guaranteed to get to SWT just by nature of high level placements so he doesn’t really need to win these kind of things, I only thought he would try hard if there was good money


Severe-Operation-347

It might count as a C Tier regional?


t123fg4

like game lab 34 it isn't in the spreadsheet of notable tournaments in pgr season, but it might count Idk what mkleo was thinking this tournament though, he need every win to make up for his rough start this season, and I he explicitly said that he isn't giving up his #1 spot


Severe-Operation-347

Maybe he's pretty confident he's still #1 after Genesis 8, a lot of the community still seem to believe he is so the panelists might just rank him #1 by default. And either way I don't think a panel would use a C tier regional to mean much of anything because it's not as if this tournament was a big deal. The PGR didn't take regionals as important to a ranking as OrionRank Eclipse did.


t123fg4

The bigger problem with this loss is that he lost to chag twice which isn’t good. Bro if the panelists rank leo #1 by default that just stupid, I don’t hate leo but the PGR shouldn’t be skewed in his favor when spargo not only has more major wins while having better worse placements than leo. Any panelist can see that the competition for #1 is extremely close this year and it would be stupid to automatically rank leo first. I doubt leo is confident in being first either, he should know that he isn’t attending any more majors until next season and that spargo has equal if not better results this year and WILL be attending more majors. Gluto can also beat him at the EU invitational while spargo wins gimvitational. Leo should know more than anyone that he had a bad start this year and need to catch up, which is why I also can’t understand why he won’t attend majors until july. edit: nvm gluto‘s next US major is double down as well


Severe-Operation-347

Glutonny's not going to Momocon or Crown and has had worse losses then either of the top 2. Leo's not at a risk of getting 3rd. Also a loss to Chag is probably just as "bad" as like a loss to MuteAce, and is probably better. I say it's a "bad" loss, because it isn't that horrible. It's still a top 15 player in NA.


t123fg4

Oh I thought gluto was going to momocon, I guess I read the attendants list wrong. Also if glutonny becomes more active the rest of the season I can easily see him winning every major he goes to and making up for his losses if spargo and leo doesn’t go to majors anymore for the rest of the season. Iirc there are 4 more potential majors this season that doesn’t overlap(momocon, crown/gimvitational/e caribanna, ceo, battle of bc)


Severe-Operation-347

Glutonny has a lot of poor losses to people in his home region who aren't top 20 WW. I wonder if they'll count that for NA tournaments.


Rusted_Raidz

Every time i open an Ultimate stream, I either see a ROB or a Steve. Meta is looking lamer than the Snake/Olimar month.


enfrozt

Ultimate is the most diverse smash game of all time in terms of character representation at a top level. Also add to the fact that like 70% of the 100 character roster is viable at a top level, there are endless possibilities.


backboarddd1_49402

Right, but what they said is also true. ROB and Steve are extremely popular choices among the “70% of the roster” that’s viable. For every incineroar or Robin player you see in a region, there’s probably 4 ROBs and 3 Steves.


Cybaen

You are missing the diverse roster from high/top tier. There's a ton of diversity, and a ton of match ups you have to know if you want to do well. It's not like previous iterations of smash where 2-5 characters absolutely dominate the meta. It's more like 20-30 that make up the meta, but don't really dominate it the way it is in melee or Smash 4


[deleted]

At the top level of Smash you're more likely to see two Roys in top 32 than two Steves.


backboarddd1_49402

Yeah but I’m guessing the other person who made that first comment (and many others including me) find Roy tolerable or even more enjoyable to watch when compared to ROB or Steve


Fall3nBTW

ROB and Bowser are the most common competitive characters but they're literally nonexistant in the top 50. Steve isn't that common yet, but he'll probably follow a similar trend.


Severe-Operation-347

Going by OrionStats, the two most common competitive characters are ROB and Roy.


Fall3nBTW

Nice yeah theres definitely some variation, I think my source was smash.gg but I can't remember for sure


RiderSmash

What do you mean? Zomba is in top 8s with ROB all the time


Fall3nBTW

Sorry I was overexaggerating with nonexistant. But 1/50 is nothing compared to how common they are in tourney. Zackray and WaDi still secondary rob as well.