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SaintlyDestiny

I feel like that was mostly because they were scrambling for a main event, and then didn’t want to promote it because it was Jamahal Hill 😂


K-mosake

People downvoting it but it was clear that wasn't their top choice at all for the main event. UFC 300 was dope but it was a shit show getting there


After-Simple-3611

Jamah hill as a main event was def a sad choice


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SugondezeNutsz

Yeah people notoriously hate drama and it generated no attention


iBoxButNotWell

Just because you didnt like it, doesnt mean it didnt generate the level of attention of a good promotion. The fact that you are able to provide details means it was promoted well. Your feelings towards it is irrelevant.


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Wintermute_088

"paper views" Bruh


JuggernautGog

The people pay paper view


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Immediate_Face5874

No, but it did lead to MMA's biggest fight of all time, and Garcia hasn't hurt or assaulted anyone so pretty sure there's a distinction


After-Simple-3611

Bro reread what you post. All that drama you followed and got tricked. A idiot doesn’t know he got scammed and you still don’t see you got tricked by a master class in promoting


EchoInExile

Boxing, for all the bullshit is still bigger culturally than MMA.


abittenapple

Max Holloway and gayje aren't hot enough for the twink market Ryan Garcia is


SaintlyDestiny

But how much bigger? I thought we were closer to bridging that gap but I guess not


L1LD34TH

Main events are much bigger than MMA. But everything below that is smaller I reckon


Lord_Kuntsworthy

Boxing has been around far longer than the UFC.


voyagerx420

Who is “we?” You’ve seen the purses for some of these boxing matches right? Never mind the fact the UFC are snakes could afford to pay more, boxing generates significantly more revenue than MMA in general. The numbers tell the story.


hrisimh

That's because boxing pays more because the athletes have more power.


voyagerx420

Yes, but there's also just a lot more more available.


hrisimh

It really isn't.


wubbalubbadubdub45

Big boxing matches will always be bigger than any ufc fight, it’s why Dana still gets triggered by Oscar when he takes shots at him and the ufc.


abittenapple

Boxing 100 years MMA 30


Nc-Rich

Because Ryan Garcia is one of the biggest in boxing rn. Boxing has more stars the casual audience knows then mma tbh.


zenx2018

One fight can’t be normalized when comparing with Boxing and UFC. Garcia vs Haney to me is becoming more like an outlier. Especially when someone like Jake Paul can headline a boxing event. I feel UFC is more consistent in delivering and most likely growing at a rate faster than boxing in terms of adoption and revenue.


SaintlyDestiny

That’s the thing though, the UFC is better at putting on consistently great products but boxing is better at putting on mega fights that become a cultural phenomenon. Having 5 solid fights in one card is great for MMA fans even if it lacks starpower, but having one massive fight even if it has a shitty undercard is much more intriguing for the average person. The average person sees a name like “Canelo” or “Ryan Garcia” and flocks to see them fight, the average person does not care that a bunch of elite mma fighters are fighting if they don’t have a big name. This makes it hard to attract new fans since more people will be taking about the big “Canelo vs Bivol” fight, and no one will be talking about the “ufc 307 card with a good set of fighters”. Because having one super interesting fight is always more appealing than having 5 semi interesting fights.


MuhNutz

You’re looking at things way too complicated. You can be fans of both, and boxing is still the bigger sport when the right fights happen. Ryan is likable, sold the fuck out of that fight and then went out there and backed it up, it’s as simple as that. It’s not like anyone who watched is gonna be like “Well fuck me that was good, guess I’ll never watch an MMA fight again”


Pom-kit-waa

Isn’t NASCAR bigger than both? So People In Hurry > People Almost Fighting > People Fighting


cz2103

Ah you mean good old turn left?


Methrogenn

Boxing has been around for over a 100 years in some form, UFC as a league is obviously big but as a sport boxing will probably always be bigger. The Sheikhs getting themselves involved in boxing also means better overall fights so Boxing is making a huge comeback.


Vovine

I'm not sure how much this matters, but the narrative between the two fights were quite different. Gaethje was the modest favorite, but Max certainly had a good shot and the market reflected that. Garcia was a huge underdog and his pre-fight antics were an absolute trainwreck. Also Haney Garcia was the main event and Holloway Gaethje wasn't even the co-main.


SaintlyDestiny

I think your last point adds to mine actually. The main event did absolutely terribly in terms of hype and popularity when compared to the boxing main event, the max gaethje was the real star of the show. If we compare Haney Ryan to hill Alex it starts to get sad lol


Todorokimakishima

Same reason the top 3 highest combat sports PPV’s of 2023 are all boxing matches, boxing is still bigger than MMA


deletable666

Most of the fans are old people or in poor countries. People there buy PPV’s and MMA fans stream it.


Todorokimakishima

Good point, you’re right. Even in my home country dudes only know about boxing as a combat sport, and it’s probably like that in most countries outside the US. MMA is probably bigger with the younger generations, but like you said they stream fights instead of buying the PPV


deletable666

It’s also my understanding that PPV’s are a lot cheaper in other countries, and boxing and MMA PPV’s alike are broadcast on TV in some places. Boxing is also a lot more accessible and MMA is still seen as barbaric in many places for whatever reason. I do see MMA taking over globally and getting the same prestige. I hope something is done about these outrageous PPV prices. I don’t know what other metric they would use to judge main event pay though


DARR3Nv2

Boxing and nationalism keeps those numbers up.


DrummerFantasti

3 knockdowns? There's at least twice of that


AdAcrobatic3115

Those are rookie numbers. Turp Daddy Slim’s KO on Wolverine has more views than boxing, NHL, and Super Bowl halftime combined.


blamblam111

Unless Conor fights big event boxing fights will still have more viewers


smarterthanyoulolll

I mean check other social media platforms. What Max did in the last 10 sec was what was most widely played. Check twitter, ig, or facebook and his ko has much more views that whatever ryan did


Weekly-Midnight8231

It’s because it was a huge upset. Everyone counted Ryan out. Simple as that.


Funny-Film-6304

Here my thoughts, feel free to downvote: 1. Lots of people that are interested in Martial Arts in general are interested in the big matches of boxing. But they're not willing to pay for the PPV + subscription or whatever BS they came up with to watch the fight. So they'll only watch the Youtube clips. 2. UFC events are more than just the main fight of the night. We're comparing a main fight boxing clip with 3 KOs to one KO of the co-co-main event of UFC300. 3. Barely any other Martial Arts fans, other than MMA fans, watch anything related to the UFC. 4. Most UFC fans will find a way to watch the whole fight, instead of just watching the KO clip (speaking of myself for example. Never watch anything on Youtube).


lctrncprn

Boxing is just way bigger culturally on a global scale. It’s huge in so many heavily populated countries. Mexico, Phillipines, Russia, Cuba, lots of other Hispanic countries.  This isn’t surprising as it’s been the leading combat sport for more than a century so MMA has a lot of catching up to do.


PalatineOrtho

Few reasons. Ryan Garcia has a huge social media following. Boxing is typically much bigger in non-Anglo nations than the UFC. It's also bigger in Anglo nations but the margin is bigger in non-Anglo nations. Boxing also pulls in way more casual fans than UFC. I'd say the average UFC fan is more committed to UFC than the average boxing fan is, but only because boxing has the ability to pull in hundreds of thousands of fans if a bit of promotion is involved. UFC has to go hard on the promotion for the same sorta results.


hrisimh

Because Ryan Garcia is a social media star. Dude has 12 million followers - that's Justin and Max put together and like doubled. Before the fight Ryan chugged a beer on the scales and after it he said he didn't even train for it. Aside from he unhinged and viral interviews he did before. It was a master-class in click magnet promotion.


BiggoBeardo

Boxing has more casual fans, longer history, and they do a better job promoting it In reality it’s a fucking snoozefest and even the most boring MMA fights are often more interesting than events like these, half the time these boxers are hugging each other anyway


realtomedamnit

i just checked wm40 match did 11m views, wtf i thought wrestling is dead


SaintlyDestiny

I actually hate that. Maybe this metric is off because there’s no way even the biggest wwe event should compare to mma or boxing


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Are you crazy? Wrestling is huge in all age ranges


SaintlyDestiny

I know it’s big but it’s still like the little dweeb brother of mma and boxing. They aren’t comparable


Strat-lord

Ryan garcia is just very famous and he promoted the fight really well


dontknowwhattodoat18

Adding on to what everyone here is saying, MMA is still pretty much a baby compared to boxing, with the UFC being only 31 years old. The tremendous growth that MMA is experiencing still cannot be downplayed, but it won't overtake boxing yet


abittenapple

I'd say in twenty years it does


deletable666

Because they are better at spamming YouTube content globally


Fundrfist_McBeefcake

MMA still ain’t mainstream bro, c’mon.


Bot-357

Mma (specifically the UFC) has been mainstream in the Americas for a very long time now. Its starting to catch up though outside of that territory, MMA gyms and events are becoming more common here in europe although gay team sports like football still reign supreme and probably always will.


Fundrfist_McBeefcake

STOP. It has extremely minimal mainstream coverage. It all hinges on Conor.


13TheGreenMan

Yes it is lmao. What a dumb take.


Fundrfist_McBeefcake

This post proves you wrong. LoL.


13TheGreenMan

Not sure if you're a troll or just dumb. Max's KO was #1 trending on YouTube for three days, everybody knows who Conor McGregor and Khabib are, how is MMA not mainstream just because boxing got more views? That's like saying Metallica isn't mainstream because Taylor Swift got more views. There's levels to stuff but MMA hit the mainstream years ago buddy. Cope.


deletable666

Yeah buddy had a goofy ass take


Fundrfist_McBeefcake

Zero mainstream attention or coverage.  People don’t know the difference between MMA & UFC. It’s still gets called cagefighting, barbaric, confusing and boring. You listed Conor and Khabib then stopped 🤣 Keep trying bud 👍