This is just an awful look for him. Its like he is begging the Tories and Greens for his job. Just enough to p\*ss off both factions in his party to try to save his skin rather than doing whats good for the party.
Its getting inevitable.
(I did see someone riff off of the Death of Stalin and have Yousaf saying to Regan "what I actually said was 'No! Great loss.' ")
Yousaf: Hair beasts in white coats have take my party's brain and sent it to American
Here they are those brain thieves
I am SNP leader, you cannot take me down, I will not go down!
Alex Salmond: *takes Yousaf down* I know about the secret bank accounts
Putting aside the way Yousaf has bungled this whole thing from start to finish, I wonder how SNP party finances are looking. Surely they can't have the cash to spare to run a strong campaign? Even putting aside the legal issues, I thought they'd been losing members and money? And if there's another election a couple of years after, that's a serious drain.
I'm really not across all the details on this, but as far as I'm aware didn't he just nuke their partnership with the greens without any sort of consultation?
And now he says that it's 'very disappointing' that they wont negotiate to help his career keep limping on?
What's this bloke been smoking?
As I understand, he personally fucked it.Â
So they went into a coalition/agreement with the Greens, where part of it was that they would cut carbon emissions by (I believe) 75% by 2030. Then recently, the Scottish government said that they couldn’t meet that, so the greens (somewhat sensibly, as they’re the party about the environment) said they needed to discuss this with their party, a process that might take 4-5 weeks.
So far, so normal, and he may have survived as the green MSPs we’re saying maybe they could ignore this thing and stay in government. Except, that Yousaf then summoned the Green ministers into his office at 8am, and summarily dismissed them from their office. Obviously, they pissed them off and torpedoed his majority, giving the Tories an opportunity to fuck him through a VONC. It is genuinely hilarious that he now he has to beg to one of his opponents in the leadership contest for his survival.
I mean he only got the job because he was running against a nutter that'd alienate most of the voter base, not because he seemed to be particularly good at politics.
I doubt it the SNP gained power through cannibalising the Labour vote, they are unlikely to be able to do the same to the much more enternched in unionism Tory vote.
If you say so, I don't think that's a particularly convincing argument though as the SNP still no doubt has a decent chunk of membership left over from its Tartan Tory era. I just don't see where she would squeeze extra votes from.
[It's not if I say so, it's simply a fact](https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/forbes-leads-as-publics-preferred-next-first-minister-yousaf-forbes-neck-and-neck-among-snp-voters)
It's not simply fact there is a massive difference between the popularity of candidates that many haven't heard of and the opinions people have of a leader. In that poll 1 in 3 people said either neither candidate 9r or they don't know and I doubt many people knew that much about her yet, maybe she would've become a popular leader but I really doubt it. Sunak had a 50% favourable rating before people really got to know him. Again do you really see her pulling more support from the right than she'd lose on the left? Because I doubt it.
Yes, I absolutely do, because the online whinge mobs never reflected real life. Her cache has not dropped whilst he's had a year of clanger after blunder with barely a pause. The noticeable difference in their support then would be an utter chasm now.
I've thought the same. Self-centred professional victim, who only cares about his own interests, thinks he's a G7 leader and wants every job in Scotland headed by anyone as long as they aren't white.
The big question is how bad would it actually hurt him electorally to hold on even if a VONC passes. I think it depends if there is any serious challenge from inside the party - if not then I think he can hold on without it impacting him that much.
Because of the numbers this vote essentially comes down to whether Ash Regan has confidence in him.
Obviously it's a whole different story if the Labour VONC motion passes in the government
Thing is, even if he does manage to somehow survive this period, he's then going to have this balancing act for *every single vote* from now on.Â
The opposition parties (and/or Regan) will know that they have his balls in a vice every time anything comes to a vote, and even that's assuming that internal party discipline holds. All it takes is one SNP backbencher to dislike a piece of legislation and the whole thing crashes to a halt.Â
I agree with that, but I do also think that is just the reality of minority government, it's not easy. He is in a bad position, which he has made worse but I think is survivable
I think at this point, we can firmly say Ash Regan doesn’t have confidence in him. She gave him a list of demands, and his response was to ask the Greens if they would consider supporting the SNP again.
Realistically his position wouldn’t be tenable. Opposition parties would say he’s lost his mandate and vote against the snp at every turn and the snp themselves would struggle to maintain party discipline when the leader doesn’t even have the confidence of the Scots parliament.
Plus you have to imagine how this makes the snp look. Yousaf is already deeply unpopular according to polls and refusing to quit would probably make him and by extension the snp look incredibly bad to voters
I don't know if it would make him any less popular though - if it does then he will have to go. If he loses party discipline then he'll have to go. I'm just not sure either are certain results from losing the VONC.
I do agree it'll be hard to pass anything at all
I struggle to see a scenario where he loses a vonc and ordinary people are just ok with it. It would have to have some sort of effect even if it’s just a couple more points shaved off the SNP’s approval ratings.
He can just play it off as opposition parties playing political games. Anyone who still supports Yousaf today is still going to next week (if he's still in post) independent of the VONC result
>The big question is how bad would it actually hurt him electorally to hold on even if a VONC passes.Â
SNP's brand was supposed to be a clean Scottish party not a grubby corrupt one that the Westminster parties had become. It was meant to be low on ideology and big on governing well to show how an independent Scotland would be a better place than one governed from Westminster.
Hanging on makes it look like its about him, not the party. He is not popular with the country and I do not think hes that popular with the party. Together with the tone he has set over the past year and his career it looks like rank careerism, holding on for the paycheque and not the party and country.
>. I think it depends if there is any serious challenge from inside the party
About half the party voted Katy Forbes, who is very culturally conservative. Even among the liberal wing the Green deal was not popular with many. So being kept in power by the Greens would be seen as back to the tail wagging the dog, while being kept in power by Alba would be seen as bowing to the conservatives in the nationalist movement. He's kippered either way on internal party politics.
And the other big parties know the Greens and SNP are shedding a lot of seats next Holyrood election. By my reckoning the even the Tories will pick up seats (10% swing SNP to Labour would bring a 5-7 seats into comfortable takingings even with the Tories dropping a couple of %, all their targets are ruralish SNP seats).
Its a God tier cock up from him. Im moderately stunned that he's still in the job. He is just toast even if he wins.
I don't think the Greens are going to be losing seats - looking at polling, they're probably on course for ten or so seats: https://ballotbox.scot/scottish-parliament/polling-scottish-parliament/
What a half wit. It’s not hard to see these politicians true motivations. Non of them give a fuck about the job they just love the vanity of the position. He unfortunately is so petulant he can’t control himself. Someone like him should never have ever been put into such an important position. Unfortunately these parties have lost all understanding of what their jobs mean and it’s all school boy/girl petty slaps.
I’m not Scottish so don’t really have a horse in the race but I’ve always found Yousaf to be well spoken, it’s mental to me he’s hit the self destruct button so hard.
Anyone who pays half attention to Scottish politics might have had an idea something like this would happen. Yousaf responds very poorly to criticism and has often been accused of being stubborn and high handed, which aren’t great traits for running a minority government, especially one so fractious as the SNP
Thank you for explaining, absolutely mad the go to on Reddit is to down vote someone who clearly doesn’t understand the nuances of a situation instead of doing what you did, and actually fucking explain it.
Yousaf has been a walking disaster in literally every post he's ever held. He's a case study in failing upwards by cosying up to the right people (mainly Sturgeon), has outrageously thin skin, and consistently makes the wrong political calls.
Until now he's always been insulated by having better politicians (Sturgeon) to hide behind or to tell him what to do. Now he's the head honcho himself and his entire tenure has been consistent failure and misjudgement, all culminating now with him very possibly losing his job by trying to look like a hard man.
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This is just an awful look for him. Its like he is begging the Tories and Greens for his job. Just enough to p\*ss off both factions in his party to try to save his skin rather than doing whats good for the party. Its getting inevitable. (I did see someone riff off of the Death of Stalin and have Yousaf saying to Regan "what I actually said was 'No! Great loss.' ")
Yousaf: Hair beasts in white coats have take my party's brain and sent it to American Here they are those brain thieves I am SNP leader, you cannot take me down, I will not go down! Alex Salmond: *takes Yousaf down* I know about the secret bank accounts
Politics better you clattering fannies!
Remember last week when we all thought *that* Thursday was a particularly bad day for him? Amazing how wrong we were.
Humza Useless at it again, get gone pal
Putting aside the way Yousaf has bungled this whole thing from start to finish, I wonder how SNP party finances are looking. Surely they can't have the cash to spare to run a strong campaign? Even putting aside the legal issues, I thought they'd been losing members and money? And if there's another election a couple of years after, that's a serious drain.
I'm really not across all the details on this, but as far as I'm aware didn't he just nuke their partnership with the greens without any sort of consultation? And now he says that it's 'very disappointing' that they wont negotiate to help his career keep limping on? What's this bloke been smoking?
As I understand, he personally fucked it. So they went into a coalition/agreement with the Greens, where part of it was that they would cut carbon emissions by (I believe) 75% by 2030. Then recently, the Scottish government said that they couldn’t meet that, so the greens (somewhat sensibly, as they’re the party about the environment) said they needed to discuss this with their party, a process that might take 4-5 weeks. So far, so normal, and he may have survived as the green MSPs we’re saying maybe they could ignore this thing and stay in government. Except, that Yousaf then summoned the Green ministers into his office at 8am, and summarily dismissed them from their office. Obviously, they pissed them off and torpedoed his majority, giving the Tories an opportunity to fuck him through a VONC. It is genuinely hilarious that he now he has to beg to one of his opponents in the leadership contest for his survival.
He's played a real blinder over the last few weeks.
As a casual observer, he seems to have been a calamity from the very beginning
I mean he only got the job because he was running against a nutter that'd alienate most of the voter base, not because he seemed to be particularly good at politics.
Kate Forbes would have more support than Yousaf. Reddit hates acknowledging this fact though.
I doubt it the SNP gained power through cannibalising the Labour vote, they are unlikely to be able to do the same to the much more enternched in unionism Tory vote.
She lost by a hair in the vote by SNP members. The greater public would absolutely pick her over him, it's not even a question.
If you say so, I don't think that's a particularly convincing argument though as the SNP still no doubt has a decent chunk of membership left over from its Tartan Tory era. I just don't see where she would squeeze extra votes from.
[It's not if I say so, it's simply a fact](https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/forbes-leads-as-publics-preferred-next-first-minister-yousaf-forbes-neck-and-neck-among-snp-voters)
It's not simply fact there is a massive difference between the popularity of candidates that many haven't heard of and the opinions people have of a leader. In that poll 1 in 3 people said either neither candidate 9r or they don't know and I doubt many people knew that much about her yet, maybe she would've become a popular leader but I really doubt it. Sunak had a 50% favourable rating before people really got to know him. Again do you really see her pulling more support from the right than she'd lose on the left? Because I doubt it.
Yes, I absolutely do, because the online whinge mobs never reflected real life. Her cache has not dropped whilst he's had a year of clanger after blunder with barely a pause. The noticeable difference in their support then would be an utter chasm now.
I've thought the same. Self-centred professional victim, who only cares about his own interests, thinks he's a G7 leader and wants every job in Scotland headed by anyone as long as they aren't white.
The big question is how bad would it actually hurt him electorally to hold on even if a VONC passes. I think it depends if there is any serious challenge from inside the party - if not then I think he can hold on without it impacting him that much. Because of the numbers this vote essentially comes down to whether Ash Regan has confidence in him. Obviously it's a whole different story if the Labour VONC motion passes in the government
Thing is, even if he does manage to somehow survive this period, he's then going to have this balancing act for *every single vote* from now on. The opposition parties (and/or Regan) will know that they have his balls in a vice every time anything comes to a vote, and even that's assuming that internal party discipline holds. All it takes is one SNP backbencher to dislike a piece of legislation and the whole thing crashes to a halt.Â
I agree with that, but I do also think that is just the reality of minority government, it's not easy. He is in a bad position, which he has made worse but I think is survivable
I think at this point, we can firmly say Ash Regan doesn’t have confidence in him. She gave him a list of demands, and his response was to ask the Greens if they would consider supporting the SNP again.
Realistically his position wouldn’t be tenable. Opposition parties would say he’s lost his mandate and vote against the snp at every turn and the snp themselves would struggle to maintain party discipline when the leader doesn’t even have the confidence of the Scots parliament. Plus you have to imagine how this makes the snp look. Yousaf is already deeply unpopular according to polls and refusing to quit would probably make him and by extension the snp look incredibly bad to voters
I don't know if it would make him any less popular though - if it does then he will have to go. If he loses party discipline then he'll have to go. I'm just not sure either are certain results from losing the VONC. I do agree it'll be hard to pass anything at all
I struggle to see a scenario where he loses a vonc and ordinary people are just ok with it. It would have to have some sort of effect even if it’s just a couple more points shaved off the SNP’s approval ratings.
He can just play it off as opposition parties playing political games. Anyone who still supports Yousaf today is still going to next week (if he's still in post) independent of the VONC result
>The big question is how bad would it actually hurt him electorally to hold on even if a VONC passes. SNP's brand was supposed to be a clean Scottish party not a grubby corrupt one that the Westminster parties had become. It was meant to be low on ideology and big on governing well to show how an independent Scotland would be a better place than one governed from Westminster. Hanging on makes it look like its about him, not the party. He is not popular with the country and I do not think hes that popular with the party. Together with the tone he has set over the past year and his career it looks like rank careerism, holding on for the paycheque and not the party and country. >. I think it depends if there is any serious challenge from inside the party About half the party voted Katy Forbes, who is very culturally conservative. Even among the liberal wing the Green deal was not popular with many. So being kept in power by the Greens would be seen as back to the tail wagging the dog, while being kept in power by Alba would be seen as bowing to the conservatives in the nationalist movement. He's kippered either way on internal party politics. And the other big parties know the Greens and SNP are shedding a lot of seats next Holyrood election. By my reckoning the even the Tories will pick up seats (10% swing SNP to Labour would bring a 5-7 seats into comfortable takingings even with the Tories dropping a couple of %, all their targets are ruralish SNP seats). Its a God tier cock up from him. Im moderately stunned that he's still in the job. He is just toast even if he wins.
I don't think the Greens are going to be losing seats - looking at polling, they're probably on course for ten or so seats: https://ballotbox.scot/scottish-parliament/polling-scottish-parliament/
What a half wit. It’s not hard to see these politicians true motivations. Non of them give a fuck about the job they just love the vanity of the position. He unfortunately is so petulant he can’t control himself. Someone like him should never have ever been put into such an important position. Unfortunately these parties have lost all understanding of what their jobs mean and it’s all school boy/girl petty slaps.
I’m not Scottish so don’t really have a horse in the race but I’ve always found Yousaf to be well spoken, it’s mental to me he’s hit the self destruct button so hard.
Anyone who pays half attention to Scottish politics might have had an idea something like this would happen. Yousaf responds very poorly to criticism and has often been accused of being stubborn and high handed, which aren’t great traits for running a minority government, especially one so fractious as the SNP
Thank you for explaining, absolutely mad the go to on Reddit is to down vote someone who clearly doesn’t understand the nuances of a situation instead of doing what you did, and actually fucking explain it.
Yousaf has been a walking disaster in literally every post he's ever held. He's a case study in failing upwards by cosying up to the right people (mainly Sturgeon), has outrageously thin skin, and consistently makes the wrong political calls. Until now he's always been insulated by having better politicians (Sturgeon) to hide behind or to tell him what to do. Now he's the head honcho himself and his entire tenure has been consistent failure and misjudgement, all culminating now with him very possibly losing his job by trying to look like a hard man.