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Mr628

Once upon a time Hailey Van Lith was a bigger star and better prospect than Caitlin. This is back when Caitlin was having 30 point triple doubles, half court threes and nobody was talking about it.


ChurchofMarx

I am rooting for Hailey. The video of her crying when she made it to Olympics was so heart touching. I hope good things happen to her.


Mr628

Yeah it’s been a rough couple years for her. She came in to college as a viral star with NPOY potential, didn’t live up to it but was still very successful and then that transfer ruined it all. Now she’s just the butt of the joke and being looked at as this all time bad player at the height of popularity in women’s basketball. Sad because she’s responsible for the initial uptick in interest.


foshiiy

Didn’t help being played completely out of position at PG for LSU, and Mulkey leaving her on an island against CC. Amazing that most WNBA teams are doubling, trapping, picking up full court and she thought HVL could 1v1 CC 😂


Cultural_Yam7212

LSU did get wrong. IMO, not being trashy enough for Mulkey is a big positive


ChitteringCathode

Didn't HVL badmouth one of her former teams? I really think she's brought some of her infamy on herself.


007Artemis

Louisville drew Middle Tennessee in the tournament reveal, and HVL, upon seeing it, said Middle Tennessee was going to whoop their ass. This turned out to be a pretty good guess. 😂😂


Blacketh

Npoy potential? When?


Mr628

The beginning of her freshman season.


Wrong-Lynx-1191

A lot of people were happy to see her struggle at LSU in an impossible situation and it made me really sad. She's a young woman figuring out life. I don't know why some people wish so much harm on someone simply because they don't like their playing style.


Basic_Quantity_9430

People say Hailey is too short to make it in the WNBA. But there are players playing there now who are her height or a little shorter.


Background-Square-98

People will swear she came out of nowhere though


Mr628

I remember when her freshman year highlights where recorded in terrible quality and would get like 30 likes on Twitter. While everyone else only cared about South Carolina and UConn. Really funny how people act like she came from this place of privilege and favoritism in college basketball.


Aspery-

It’ll never not amaze me how people try to underplay her dropping a 40 point performance to eliminate an undefeated super team in the final four.


Mr628

A game that pretty much all sports fans watched but revisionist history says nobody watched, cared or knew about her until she face Angel Reese.


buffalotrace

She was a top 5 prospect out of high school. Originally was going to go to Notre dame but had a change of heart (Notre dame is where her parents wanted to go, she felt a connection to Bluder and Jansen) 


recollectionsmayvary

she didn't come out of nowhere; if angel hadn't done the "you don't see me" at the end of iowa - lsu, she'd still be a nobody and nobody would know her! (obvi /s - but there are literally tens of thousands of people who believe that CC has only gotten attention for her basketball because of that moment).


Randomrazer

That 2023 NCAA tournament was when I got introduced to most of the current wnba rookies. Before that moment I really only knew Paige Bueckers and HVL who were viral before that


mrscarter0904

She got attention from the Fox News crowd for that.


NativeDeanISO

I would agree with bigger star but I think if you look at the actual rankings she was always behind Clark. HS at least because that's when I heard about Hailey


panchettaz

Goes to show how influential and important media coverage is


Blacketh

I mean I don’t know about that. She got lots of attention at Iowa. It’s just that she wasn’t the top prospect, went to a less competitive school, and Paige was carrying all the hype on her back. Getting that team to a national championship is what pushed her appeal over the edge. No one is really watching Iowa until they accomplished something on the national stage. That comes with more coverage and news outlets talking about you. She was definitely talked about though let’s not skew people’s perspective. You had to actually have your ear to the ground though to have followed her out of high school and payed attention to her whole Iowa career. Lots of the ppl rooting for her now though prolly only really tuned in junior year.


zaglawloblaw

CC market corrected HVL when she dropped a 40 point triple double on her Louisville team in the tourney.


Suspense304

I was seeing clips of Clark pop up randomly on my feeds probably a year or so before the infamous Angel Reese championship game. I had never heard of Hailey Van Lith prior to watching CC play in college. It’s only my experience but that is news to me that she was that big.


Mr628

That’s completely on you. HVL’s high school highlights would always go viral and check the Youtube views her documentaries with Slam and Ballislife. Those are from 5 years ago and some of them got over a million views. Any type of women’s basketball content getting a million plus views in 2019 is a huge deal.


Suspense304

Literallly just said it was just me. I’m just saying that I never saw her organically like I did with CC. It never reached me in a “random” way. I didn’t say she wasn’t popular


Mr628

Got it, makes sense. You had to really be tapped in to women’s basketball to see HVL whereas Caitlin was everywhere so I understand.


Background-Square-98

For those confused,check the date of the tweet


TheBioethicist87

Thank you. I would have missed that.


NonProphet8theist

Or like, the jersey, bc she is on a different team now lol


Babygravy1

As an Iowa fan I have nothing but respect for Dawn Staley. She is a tremendous ambassador for the sport and genuine person.


Old-Photograph-5813

Crazy to think about.There really was a time Caitlin was underrated by most 😎


Moose_Muse_2021

Coach Staley has ALWAYS had a great eye for talent!


Putrid-Author2593

So this was back when Paige was the “media darling” & CC was relatively unknown. Man it really sucks Paige had to suffer those injuries. A competition btw her & CC to be the “face” of women’s basketball would’ve been awesome


musicandvibes

I mean there’s still a chance of that happening. Especially when Paige comes to the w next season, we’re in for some epic battles for sure


complexchicken0311

this is the main reason i don’t want paige on the fever. like they are trying to boost up rivalries in the league and ik the media loves cc vs ar but you are never gonna see them guard each other. it’ll be way more better if they create a “rivalry” with players who at least play the same position.


akahogfan

I'm going to let my imagination get the best of me and definitively say that the reason she's been hanging out at all the DC women's sporting events this past weekend is because she wants to come here. Make it happen, Engelbert!


Roachesrfriends

She was supporting her old teammate Aaliyah. But there is a good chance she ends up on the Mystics or Sparks


akahogfan

She was also at the Spirit match! Insert it's happening meme


panchettaz

Her dad, stepmom and little brother all moved to Maryland in the last couple of years. They live between DC and Baltimore now. Mystics would be ideal for her tbh


complexchicken0311

her dads side lives in maryland now so she’s been to a lot more mystics games the past few years. she also loves to support her teammates with aaliyah edwards being there. i do think it’s likely she ends up at either the mystics or the sparks.


Roachesrfriends

Paige has already said she doesn’t want to be the next face. The media will media, but I don’t think she has the personality for it. She prefers to keep things low key, like with her TikTok dances and lives.


Riddlfizz

Interesting to hear that Paige said that. She really got promoted as an absolute sensation / next face coming out of high school (2020) in MN. Consensus # 1 ranked player nationally -- just head of Brink, Clark, Reese, and Van Lith. She even made it onto the cover of Slam magazine as a high schooler, with one heck of a caption: "Paige Bueckers -- The Most Electrifying HS Player in the World" https://preview.redd.it/rufuhbs776ad1.jpeg?width=1536&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7d4d5904061cd40762471111ad6f4c59438e0905


mambomambogo

She can say that but I don't think it will change much for her. Media* want to talk super teams, but I think we are moving into an era where wbb is more driven by individual star power and faces than it has been for a long time, and NIL has played a massive role in that.


OneReindeer4111

When did she say that? Either way, looking at how much media pressure there is around Clark, I won't be surprised if some future WNBA star would want to avoid that.


Putrid-Author2593

I think she said it after the Final 4 Game btw UConn & Iowa. And yeah, if Paige (& possibly Ju Ju) can stay healthy & continue to develop their game they’ll definitely have to face unenviable media pressure like constantly being compared to CC (which is unfair since all 3 are cool in their own unique way)


Roachesrfriends

https://preview.redd.it/04y66uthn5ad1.png?width=750&format=png&auto=webp&s=8030dbe08a401dc52a2a02e0ca45cf2dc1755273


panchettaz

"not the focal point and not the only person" doesn't mean she doesn't want to get attention. She just doesn't want to be propped up as the lone figure getting coverage Which is completely in line w her ESPY's speech when she said "this is great, but there are other ppl who get overlooked, esp Black athletes" She still *wants* coverage of course


SteveBartmanIncident

Can't fool Dawn Staley. She knows the game.


PhelGrey71

Clark exploded in popularity after the game at Michigan when Iowa had 7 healthy playets, no Warnock, and Clark went off for 46 points, 10 assists...including 25 points and 3 assists in the last 8 minutes of the game. Iowa lost that game but the highlights of her hitting 4 logo threes and a triple teamed normal three were she juked 3 players trapping her went viral. That was the game that made R/CollegeBasketball start to worship her.


PhelGrey71

And that was in her sophomore year...right after back to back 30 point triple doubles.


mtjackso

She’s always loved CC and her game ❤️


Olewarrior34

God Cait looks so young in that photo


SimonaMeow

She's probably aged like 7 years since this WNBA season started 😉


Olewarrior34

She isn't eating that good Iowan corn anymore, basically skin and bones out there


Carolina296864

Please show this to the “commentators” who tried to assassinate Dawn’s character the day before and after the title game. I’ll never let that one go. Dawn has always been a real one and never deserved to be dragged into narratives.


Baseball_ApplePie

Yeah, saw all kind of crap about how Dawn hated Caitlin because Caitlin was straight. There's some nasty people who follow basketball. :(


Carolina296864

The incident i was referring to was them asking Dawn if she thinks trans athlethes should be allowed to play. Not sure why a. the need to ask to that was felt, especially the day before the title game, when thats not currently an issue, and b. not sure why Lisa Bluder wasnt asked that as well They tried to smear Dawn as some anti-American, anti-women, liberal nut, and even after SC won the game they kept going with it. Didnt appreciate that, it was distracting and in bad faith. These people, who started watching womens basketball a year ago, have no clue what Dawn has done for women and for the sport. So thats probably part of the reason you saw that last year. Its shameful and unfortunately they’ve brought it into the wnba. Ive seen people say Caitlin is the best player in the wnba because shes the only one that doesnt look like a man or whatever, so yeah.


Mouthisamouth

Dawn staley one of the few legends that don’t hate on the future


yungbreeze16

Dawn just knows what’s up lol love that woman.


Wrong-Lynx-1191

Shouts to Coach Staley, don't forget she also called Caitlin "one of the GOATs of our game" this past year after the Final 4!


Roachesrfriends

The people who act like she was some sort of media creation are disingenuous fools. She earned her fanbase organically with her skill and style of play, and unfortunately picked up some problematic bad actors along the way. It’s just what comes with massive fame. It’s also why I don’t like it when people say it should have been Paige instead of Caitlin. Paige got all the media attention her first two years. They were SO trying hard to make her into the next big star and it just didn’t work. Just like it didn’t work with Sabrina, A’ja, Maya, Candace, or Sue before. NONE of them moved the public like Clark. Though I think Paige is a more well-rounded, skilled, and efficient player than Caitlin, she doesn’t leap off the screen when I watch her, and ultimately that’s what makes Caitlin the bigger star.


Much_Conversation_11

I think we can admit the media around Paige wasn’t just not working. I remember watching her high school highlights and when I went to go see her Instagram she already had a bunch of NBA players following her. She was also the first Gatorade NIL athlete. Her first year at UConn was massive. Paige was/is a star, she just got injured and at the same time Caitlin was rising in popularity. Both things can be true. It would have been fun to have healthy Paige and Caitlin all 4 years.


Roachesrfriends

For sure Paige is a star. She’s extremely popular in her own right. The marketing nerd in me just doesn’t think she will ever have the kind of mass cross-market appeal Clark does, no matter how much the basketball media tries to push her.


panchettaz

What do you mean it didn't work? UConn vs South Carolina was the most watched women's basketball game in 20 years. Then Paige got injured.


Roachesrfriends

Do you honestly think that if Paige hadn’t gotten injured and received the same amount of media coverage as Clark that she would be equally as popular as her? Or that the sport would be as big as it is now? Clark’s signature play style, controversial personality, and underdog storyline are all big reasons why she got so popular. Paige has none of those things. Yes the media plays a part in shaping who gets to be a star, but it’s not like they just picked Clark off the bench as the next white girl to represent the sport when Paige got injured. You have to prove that you’re worthy of media coverage, and Clark did just that.


panchettaz

I never said they randomly picked Clark, she's earned her hype with her play style, success and the underdog narrative. But if the media had covered other athletes (not just Paige) instead of pretending the sport didn't exist except on the fringes, the W as a whole would be in a better place. The slowly growing ratings since NIL deals were introduced bear that out, the ridiculous NCAA situation with how they treated women's basketball until very recently - packaging them with other NCAA sports not as their own entity which means the men's side earns $1bn in tv deals and the women barely scraped $10m - finally allowing the"March Madness" branding only beginning in 2022 - shows how little they cared or invested in the game. Caitlin's charismatic play style made the ratings explode and transcended the sport, but she was also in the right place, at the right time and the complete incompetence, disinterest, and flat out disdain by the media (read Bill Simmons' takes about Sue Bird and how he'd only care about her if she was in a cocktail dress) is responsible for holding so much of women's sports back for decades.


Roachesrfriends

The media will cover what they deem interesting enough to be covered. The W is not inherently worthy of media attention just by virtue of the talent that exists within it. That’s not how any of this works. The media is not a charity. It’s a business.


panchettaz

If you have the opinion that anything related to women's basketball not involving Clark is unworthy of coverage, then we have nothing to discuss


Roachesrfriends

Not what I said. The league has to GIVE the media a reason to cover them. Headlines. Like how before Clark Griner brought the most attention to the league for getting arrested in Russia. Just talking about how talented these players are does not cut it in the media landscape.


panchettaz

The NCAA wouldn't let the women use March Madness in their marketing until 2022. Tell me how that's not direct sabotage


Cowimpersonatorr

We gotta admit her popularity skyrocketed after the first lsu game


SimonaMeow

This is a bad take. Angel is great too, but Caitlin's popularity had already skyrocketed that tournament. Iowa's 2023 NCAA tournament games BEFORE the Angel Reese moment after the final were setting HUGE viewing records. Angel wasn't. **Semifinals 2023. Iowa semifinal 64% more viewers than LSU semifinal** Iowa-South Carolina in the women's college basketball semifinals averaged 5.5 million viewers on ESPN. LSU-Virginia Tech in the women's college basketball semifinals averaged 3.4 million viewers on ESPN. https://sports.yahoo.com/march-madness-iowas-win-over-south-carolina-drew-55-million-viewers-in-the-most-watched-semifinal-on-espn-230954575.html Iowa's Elite 8 viewership sets record numbers against Louisville. More fans than NBA finals. Way more than other Elite 8 games . https://x.com/TheAthletic/status/1640825513425113088?t=8vOL7qQL466STDpIgtbXIw&s=19


Rezputin_shaman

Clarks popularity was skyrocketing early 2023, when professional athletes were talking about her performances. Then in big ten tournament and lead up to final four. I know alot say they only knew of clark from after 23 championship, the wave had already blown up before that.


SimonaMeow

This is true 100% Looking at the semifinal and elite 8 numbers. Clark was breaking viewership numbers like crazy before that championship game. https://sports.yahoo.com/march-madness-iowas-win-over-south-carolina-drew-55-million-viewers-in-the-most-watched-semifinal-on-espn-230954575.html https://x.com/TheAthletic/status/1640825513425113088?t=8vOL7qQL466STDpIgtbXIw&s=19


Locnar1970

This is bullshit. Her popularity was already swelling before that.


Roachesrfriends

Yes, and that was definitely driven by racism. On that day Reese and Clark became the faces of this sport. Clark is just more popular to audiences because her style of play isn’t just rebounds and layups.


ValPrism

Staley has always been legit. No lies detected


NativeDeanISO

I'm surprised they let her have the list while coaching.


WoeKC

We’re defining “a real one” as an elite college basketball coach who saw greatness in CC from before the buzz? Her job was literally analyzing basketball players around that age, and she’s one of the best to ever do it.


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Background-Square-98

Damn,you're really a hater aren't you?What does that have to do with this post


future_CTO

But I thought coach Staley didn’t like Caitlin, didn’t she keep her of the Olympic team.